Hasan Elahi: FBI, here I am!

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืžืชืจื’ื: Ido Dekkers ืžื‘ืงืจ: Dan Liebeschutz
00:15
Hi there. I'm Hasan. I'm an artist.
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ื”ื™. ืื ื™ ื—ืกืŸ. ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืŸ.
00:17
And usually when I tell people I'm an artist,
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ื•ืœืจื•ื‘ ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžืกืคืจ ืœืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ืžืŸ,
00:20
they just look at me and say, "Do you paint?"
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ื”ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžืกืชื›ืœื™ื ืขืœื™ ื•ืฉื•ืืœื™ื " ืืชื” ืžืฆื™ื™ืจ?"
00:22
or "What kind of medium do you work in?"
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ืื• "ื‘ืื™ื–ื” ืžื“ื™ื” ืืชื” ืขื•ื‘ื“?"
00:25
Well most of my work that I work with
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ ืจื•ื‘ ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื”
00:27
is really a little bit about methodologies of working
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ื”ื™ื ื‘ืงืฉืจ ืœืžืชื•ื“ื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”
00:30
rather than actually a specific discipline
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ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืืฉืจ ืชื—ื•ื ืžืกื•ื™ื™ื
00:33
or a specific technique.
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ืื• ื˜ื›ื ื™ืงื” ืžืกื•ื™ื™ืžืช.
00:35
So what I'm really interested in is creative problem solving.
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ืื– ืžื” ืฉื‘ืืžืช ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื™ ื”ื•ื ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืคืชืจื•ื ื•ืช ืœื‘ืขื™ื•ืช.
00:38
And I had a little bit of a problem a few years ago.
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ื•ื”ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืงืฆืช ื‘ืขื™ื” ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื.
00:41
So let me show you a little of that.
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ืื– ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืœื”ืจืื•ืช ืœื›ื ืงืฆืช ืขืœ ื–ื”.
00:43
So it started over here.
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ืื– ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื›ืืŸ.
00:45
And this is the Detroit airport in June 19th of 2002.
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ื•ื–ื” ืฉื“ื” ื”ืชืขื•ืคื” ืฉืœ ื“ื˜ืจื•ื™ื˜ ื‘ 19 ื‘ื™ื•ื ื™ 2002.
00:49
I was flying back to the U.S. from an exhibition overseas.
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ื˜ืกืชื™ ื—ื–ืจื” ืœืืจื”"ื‘ ืžืชืขืจื•ื›ื” ื‘ื—ื•"ืœ
00:52
And as I was coming back,
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ื•ื›ืฉื—ื–ืจืชื™,
00:54
well I was taken by the FBI, met by an FBI agent,
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ื ืœืงื—ืชื™ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื”FBI, ืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืกื•ื›ืŸ FBI,
00:57
and went into a little room
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ื•ื ื›ื ืกืชื™ ืœื—ื“ืจ ืงื˜ืŸ
00:59
and he asked me all sorts of questions --
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืฉืืœ ืื•ืชื™ ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืฉืืœื•ืช --
01:01
"Where were you? What were you doing? Who were you talking with?
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"ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืช? ืžื” ืขืฉื™ืช? ืขื ืžื™ ื“ื™ื‘ืจืช?
01:03
Why were you there? Who pays for your trips?" --
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ืœืžื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ืฉื? ืžื™ ืžืฉืœื ืขืœ ื”ื ืกื™ืขื•ืช ืฉืœืš?" --
01:05
all these little details.
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ื›ืœ ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื ื”ืงื˜ื ื™ื ื”ืืœื”.
01:07
And then literally just out of nowhere,
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ื•ืื– ืžืžืฉ ืžืฉื•ื ืžืงื•ื,
01:09
the guy asks me, "Where were you September 12th?"
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ื”ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ืฉื•ืืœ ืื•ืชื™, "ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘12 ื‘ืกืคื˜ืžื‘ืจ?"
01:12
And when most of us get asked, "Where were you September 12th?"
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ื•ื›ืฉืจื•ื‘ื ื• ื ืฉืืœื™ื, "ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘12 ื‘ืกืคื˜ืžื‘ืจ?"
01:14
or any date for that fact,
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ืื• ื›ืœ ืชืืจื™ืš ืœืฆื•ืจืš ื”ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ,
01:16
it's like, "I don't exactly remember, but I can look it up for you."
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ืฉื•ืœืคื™ื, "ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืžืฉ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื‘ื“ื•ืง ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœืš."
01:19
So I pulled out my little PDA,
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ืื– ืฉืœืคืชื™ ืืช ื”PDA,
01:21
and I said, "Okay, let's look up my appointments for September 12th."
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ื•ืืžืจืชื™, "ืื•ืงื™ื™, ื‘ื ื ืจืื” ืืช ื”ืคื’ื™ืฉื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ื‘12 ื‘ืกืคื˜ืžื‘ืจ."
01:24
I had September 12th -- from 10:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m., I paid my storage bill.
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ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ื‘ 12 ื‘ืกืคื˜ืžื‘ืจ -- ืž10:00 ืขื“ 10:30, ืฉื™ืœืžืชื™ ืืช ื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ ื”ืื›ืกื•ืŸ ืฉืœื™.
01:27
From 10:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m., I met with Judith who was one of my graduate students at the time.
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ืž10:30 ืขื“ 12:00, ื ืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืขื ื’'ื•ื“ื™ืช' ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืื—ืช ืžื”ืกื˜ื•ื“ื ื˜ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ื–ืžืŸ.
01:30
From 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m., I taught my intro class,
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ืž12:00 ืœ 15:00 ืœื™ืžื“ืชื™ ืืช ื›ื™ืชืช ื”ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื,
01:32
3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., I taught my advanced class.
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15:00 ืขื“ 18:00, ืœื™ืžื“ืชื™ ืืช ื›ื™ืชืช ื”ืžืชืงื“ืžื™ื.
01:34
"Where were you the 11th?" "Where were you the 10th?"
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"ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘ 11?" "ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘ 10?"
01:36
"Where were you the 29th? the 30th?"
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ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘ 29? ื‘ 30?"
01:38
"Where were you October 5th?"
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ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืช ื‘5 ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ?"
01:40
We read about six months of my calendar.
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ืขื‘ืจื ื• ืขืœ ื‘ืขืจืš ืฉื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื•ืžืŸ ืฉืœื™.
01:43
And I don't think he was expecting me to have such detailed records
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ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ื•ื ืฆื™ืคื” ืฉื™ื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืชื™ืขื•ื“ ืžืคื•ืจื˜ ื›ืœ ื›ืš
01:46
of what I did.
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ืฉืœ ืžื” ืฉืขืฉื™ืชื™.
01:48
But good thing I did,
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ืื‘ืœ ืžื–ืœ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื™,
01:50
because I don't look good in orange.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื ืจืื” ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ื›ืชื•ื. (ื”ืขืจืช ืžืชืจื’ื: ืœื‘ื•ืฉ ื‘ืžืชืงืŸ ื”ืžืขืฆืจ ื‘ื’ื•ืื ื˜ื ืžื•)
01:52
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
01:54
So he asked me --
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ืื– ื”ื•ื ืฉืืœ ืื•ืชื™ --
01:56
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
01:58
"So this storage unit that you paid the rent on,
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"ืื– ื™ื—ื™ื“ืช ื”ืื›ืกื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื• ืฉืฉื™ืœืžืช ืืช ื”ืฉื›ื™ืจื•ืช ืขืœื™ื”,
02:00
what did you have in it?"
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ืžื” ื™ืฉ ืœืš ืฉื?"
02:03
This was in Tampa, Florida,
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื˜ืžืคื” ืคืœื•ืจื™ื“ื”,
02:05
so I was like, "Winter clothes that I have no use for in Florida.
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ืื– ืืžืจืชื™, "ื‘ื’ื“ื™ ื—ื•ืจืฃ ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ ื‘ื”ื ื‘ืคืœื•ืจื™ื“ื”.
02:08
Furniture that I can't fit in my ratty apartment.
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ืจื”ื™ื˜ื™ื ืฉืื™ืŸ ืœื™ ืžืงื•ื ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื ื‘ื“ื™ืจื” ื”ืงื˜ื ื” ืฉืœื™.
02:11
Just assorted garage sale junk,
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ืกืชื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื ืฉืžืชืื™ืžื™ื ืœืžื›ื™ืจืช ื—ืฆืจ,
02:14
because I'm a pack rat."
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ื’ืจ."
02:16
And he looks at me really confused and says, "No explosives?"
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืžืกืชื›ืœ ืขืœื™ ื‘ืืžืช ืžื‘ื•ืœื‘ืœ ื•ืื•ืžืจ, "ืื™ืŸ ื—ื•ืžืจื™ ื ืคืฅ?"
02:19
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
02:21
I was like, "No, no. I'm pretty certain there were no explosives.
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ื•ืื ื™ ื›ืื™ืœื•, "ืœื, ืœื. ืื ื™ ื“ื™ื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืฉืื™ืŸ ื—ื•ืžืจื™ ื ืคืฅ.
02:23
And if there were, I would have remembered that one."
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ื•ืื ื”ื™ื•, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืืช ื–ื”."
02:26
And he's still a little confused,
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืงืฆืช ืžื‘ื•ืœื‘ืœ,
02:28
but I think that anyone who talks to me for more than a couple of minutes
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื›ืœ ืžื™ ืฉืžื“ื‘ืจ ืื™ืชื™ ืœื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืฉืชื™ ื“ืงื•ืช
02:30
realizes I'm not exactly a terrorist threat.
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ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื™ื•ื ื˜ืจื•ืจื™ืกื˜ื™.
02:33
And so we're sitting there,
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ืื– ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื™ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืฉื,
02:36
and eventually after about an hour, hour and a half of just going back and forth,
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ื•ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ, ืื—ืจื™ ื‘ืขืจืš ืฉืขื”, ืฉืขื” ื•ื—ืฆื™ ืฉืœ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœืœื›ืช ืงื“ื™ืžื” ื•ืื—ื•ืจื”,
02:40
he says, "Okay, I have enough information here.
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ื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ, "ืื•ืงื™ื™, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืžืกืคื™ืง ืžื™ื“ืข ื›ืืŸ.
02:42
I'm going to pass this onto the Tampa office. They're the ones who initiated this.
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ืื ื™ ืืขื‘ื™ืจ ืื•ืชื• ืœืžืฉืจื“ ื‘ื˜ืžืคื”. ื”ื ืืœื” ืฉื”ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืืช ื–ื”.
02:44
They'll follow up with you, and we'll take care of it."
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ื”ื ื™ืžืฉื™ื›ื• ืื™ืชืš, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื“ืื’ ืœื–ื”."
02:46
I was like, "Great."
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ื•ืื ื™ ื›ืื™ืœื•, "ื ืคืœื."
02:48
So I got home and the phone rings,
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ืื– ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ื”ื‘ื™ืชื” ื•ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ืฆืœืฆืœ,
02:51
and a man introduced himself.
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ื•ืื™ืฉ ื”ืฆื™ื’ ืืช ืขืฆืžื•.
02:53
Basically this is the FBI offices in Tampa
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ื‘ืขื™ืงืจื•ืŸ ื–ื” ืžืฉืฉืจื“ ื”FBI ื‘ื˜ืžืคื”
02:56
where I spent six months of my life --
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ืฉื ื‘ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ืฉื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืžื—ื™ื™ --
02:58
back and forth, not six months continuously.
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ื‘ื˜ืจื˜ื•ืจ ืœืคืจืงื™ื, ืœื ืฉื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืจืฆื™ืฃ.
03:00
By the way, you folks know that in the United States,
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ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ืืชื ื™ื“ืขืชื ืฉื‘ืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช,
03:02
you can't take photographs of federal buildings,
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ืืชื ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืฆืœื ื‘ื ื™ื™ื ื™ื ืคื“ืจืœื™ื™ื,
03:04
but Google can do it for you.
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ืื‘ืœ ื’ื•ื’ืœ ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื›ื.
03:06
So to the folks from Google, thank you.
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ืื– ืœื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ื‘ื’ื•ื’ืœ, ืชื•ื“ื”.
03:08
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
03:11
So I spent a lot of time in this building.
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ืื– ื‘ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ ื‘ื‘ื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื–ื”.
03:13
Questions like:
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ืฉืืœื•ืช ื›ืžื•:
03:15
"Have you ever witnessed or participated in any act
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"ื”ืื ืื™ ืคืขื ืจืื™ืช ืื• ื”ืฉืชืชืคืช ื‘ืกื•ื’ ื›ืœืฉื”ื• ืฉืœ
03:18
that may be detrimental to the United States or a foreign nation?"
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ืคืขื•ืœื” ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืžื–ื™ืงื” ืœืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช ืื• ืœืื•ืžื” ืื—ืจืช?"
03:22
And you also have to consider the state of mind you're in
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ื•ืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ื’ื ืœืฉืงื•ืœ ืืช ืžืฆื‘ ื”ืจื•ื— ื‘ื• ื”ื™ื™ืชื™
03:24
when you're doing this.
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ื›ืฉืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”.
03:26
You're basically face-to-face with someone
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ืืชื ื‘ืขื™ืงืจื•ืŸ ืคื ื™ื ืืœ ืคื ื™ื ืขื ืžื™ืฉื”ื•
03:28
that essentially decides life or death.
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ืฉื‘ืขื™ืงืจื•ืŸ ืžื—ืœื™ื˜ ืขืœ ื—ื™ื™ื›ื.
03:31
Or questions such as -- actually, during the polygraph,
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ืื• ืฉืืœื•ืช ื›ืžื• -- ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื‘ืžื”ืœืš ื”ืคื•ืœื™ื’ืจืฃ,
03:33
which was how it finally ended after nine consecutive of them --
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ืฉืœืžืขืฉื” ื›ืš ื–ื” ื”ืกืชื™ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ 9 ืจืฆื•ืคื™ื --
03:36
one of the polygraph questions was ...
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ืื—ืช ืžื”ืฉืืœื•ืช ื‘ืคื•ืœื™ื’ืจืฃ ื”ื™ืชื”...
03:38
well the first one was, "Is your name Hasan?" "Yes."
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื”ื™ืชื”, "ื”ืื ืฉืžืš ื—ืกืŸ?" "ื›ืŸ."
03:41
"Are we in Florida?" "Yes." "Is today Tuesday?" "Yes."
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"ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ืคืœื•ืจื™ื“ื”?" "ื›ืŸ." "ื”ืื ื”ื™ื•ื ื™ื•ื ืฉืœื™ืฉื™?" "ื›ืŸ."
03:44
Because you have to base it on a yes or no.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืฆืจื™ืš ืœื‘ืกืก ืืช ื–ื” ืขืœ ื›ืŸ ืื• ืœื.
03:46
Then, of course, the next question is:
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ืื–, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื”ืฉืืœื” ื”ื‘ืื” ื”ื™ื:
03:48
"Do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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"ื”ืื ืืชื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืฉืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ื–ื™ืง ืœืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช?"
03:51
I work at a university.
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ืื ื™ ืขื•ื‘ื“ ื‘ืื•ื ื™ื‘ืจืกื™ื˜ื”.
03:53
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:55
So I was like, "Maybe you want to ask some of my colleagues that directly."
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ืื– ืื ื™ ื›ืื™ืœื•, "ืื•ืœื™ ืืชื” ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืฉืื•ืœ ืืช ื–ื” ืืช ืื—ื“ ืžื”ืงื•ืœื’ื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ื™ืฉื™ืจื•ืช."
03:59
But they said, "Okay, aside from what we had discussed,
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, "ืื•ืงื™ื™, ื—ื•ืฅ ืžืžื” ืฉื“ื™ื‘ืจื ื• ืขืœื™ื•,
04:02
do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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ื”ืื ืืชื” ืฉื™ื™ืš ืœืื™ื–ื• ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืฉืจื•ืฆื” ืœืคื’ื•ืข ื‘ืืจืฆื•ืช ื”ื‘ืจื™ืช?"
04:04
I was like, "No."
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ื•ืื ื™ ื›ืื™ืœื•, "ืœื."
04:06
So at the end of six months of this
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ืื– ื‘ืกื•ืฃ ืฉื™ืฉื” ื—ื•ื“ืฉื™ื ืฉืœ ื–ื”
04:08
and nine consecutive polygraphs,
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ื•ืชืฉืขื” ืคื•ืœื™ื’ืจืคื™ื ืจืฆื•ืคื™ื,
04:10
they said, "Hey, everything's fine."
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ื”ื ืืžืจื•, "ื”ื™ื™, ื”ื›ืœ ื‘ืกื“ืจ."
04:12
I was like, "I know. That's what I've been trying to tell you guys all along.
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ื•ืื ื™ ื›ืื™ืœื•, " ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข. ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืืžืจืชื™ ืœื›ื ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ.
04:14
I know everything's fine."
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ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืข ืฉื”ื›ืœ ื‘ืกื“ืจ."
04:16
So they're looking at me really odd.
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ืื– ื”ื ืžืกืชื›ืœื™ื ืขืœื™ ืžืžืฉ ืžื•ื–ืจ.
04:19
And it's like, "Guys, I travel a lot."
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ื•ื–ื” ื›ืื™ืœื•, "ื—ื‘ืจื”, ืื ื™ ื ื•ืกืข ื”ืจื‘ื”."
04:21
This is with the FBI.
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ื–ื” ืขื ื”FBI.
04:23
And I was like, "All we need is Alaska not to get the last memo,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ืื™ืœื•, "ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืฆืจื™ืš ื–ื” ืฉืืœืกืงื” ืœื ืชืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื”ืžื–ื›ืจ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ,
04:25
and here we go all over again."
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ื•ื”ื ื” ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืชื—ื™ืœื™ื ืฉื•ื‘ ืžื”ืชื—ืœื”."
04:27
And there was a sincere concern there.
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ื•ื”ื™ืชื” ื“ืื’ื” ืืžื™ืชื™ืช ืคื”.
04:29
And he was like, "You know, if you get into trouble,
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ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ืื™ืœื•, "ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ืื ื™ื”ื™ื• ื‘ืขื™ื•ืช,
04:31
give us a call -- we'll take care of it."
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ืชืชืงืฉืจ ืืœื™ื ื• -- ืื ื—ื ื• ื ื˜ืคืœ ื‘ื–ื”."
04:33
So ever since then, before I would go anywhere, I would call the FBI.
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ืื– ืžืื–, ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื ื•ืกืข ืœืืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืชืงืฉืจ ืœFBI.
04:36
I would tell them, "Hey guys, this is where I'm going. This is my flight.
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืœื”ื, "ื”ื™ื™ ื—ื‘ืจื”, ืœืฉื ืื ื™ ื ื•ืกืข. ื–ื• ื”ื˜ื™ืกื” ืฉืœื™.
04:39
Northwest flight seven coming into Seattle
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ื˜ื™ืกืช ื ื•ืจืช'ื•ื•ืกื˜ ืฉืžื’ื™ืขื” ืœืกื™ืื˜ืœ
04:42
on March 12th" or whatever.
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ื‘ 12 ื‘ืžืจืฅ" ืื• ืžื” ืฉืœื ื™ื”ื™ื”.
04:44
A couple weeks later, I'd call again, let them know.
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ืื—ืจื™ ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืชืงืฉืจ ืฉื•ื‘, ืžื•ื“ื™ืข ืœื”ื.
04:46
It wasn't that I had to, but I chose to.
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ื–ื” ืœื ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš, ืืœื ื›ืš ื‘ื—ืจืชื™.
04:49
Just wanted to say, "Hey guys.
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ืจืง ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“, "ื”ื™ื™ ื—ื‘ืจ'ื”.
04:51
Don't want to make it look like I'm making any sudden moves."
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ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื”ืจืื•ืช ื›ืื™ืœื• ืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืฆืขื“ื™ื ืคืชืื•ืžื™ื™ื."
04:53
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
04:55
"I don't want you guys to think that I'm about to flee.
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"ืื ื™ ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืฉืืชื ืชื—ืฉื‘ื• ืฉืื ื™ ืžื ืกื” ืœื‘ืจื•ื—.
04:58
Just letting you know. Heads up."
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ืจืง ืžื•ื“ื™ืข ืœื›ื. ื”ืชืจืื”."
05:00
And so I just kept doing this over and over and over.
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ืื– ื”ืžืฉื›ืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื” ืฉื•ื‘ ื•ืฉื•ื‘ ื•ืฉื•ื‘.
05:02
And then the phone calls turned into emails,
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ื•ืื– ื”ืฉื™ื—ื•ืช ื”ืคื›ื• ืœืื™ืžื™ื™ืœื™ื,
05:04
and the emails got longer and longer and longer ...
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ื•ื”ืื™ืžื™ื™ืœื™ื ื”ืคื›ื• ืœืืจื•ื›ื™ื ื•ืืจื•ื›ื™ื ื™ื•ืชืจ...
05:06
with pictures,
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ืขื ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช,
05:08
with travel tips.
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ืขื ื˜ื™ืคื™ื ืœื˜ื™ื•ืœ.
05:10
Then I'd make websites.
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ื•ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืืชืจื™ื.
05:12
And then I built this over here. Let me go back to it over here.
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ื•ืื– ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”. ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœื–ื” ื›ืืŸ.
05:14
So I actually designed this back in 2003.
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ืื– ืœืžืขืฉื” ืชื›ื ื ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘2003.
05:17
So this kind of tracks me at any given moment.
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ืื– ื–ื” ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืขื•ืงื‘ ืื—ืจื™ ื‘ื›ืœ ืจื’ืข.
05:20
I wrote some code for my mobile phone.
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ื›ืชื‘ืชื™ ืงื•ื“ ืœื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ื”ื ื™ื™ื“ ืฉืœื™.
05:22
Basically, what I decided is okay guys, you want to watch me, that's cool.
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ื‘ืขืงืจื•ืŸ, ืžื” ืฉื”ื—ืœื˜ืชื™ ื–ื”, ืื• ืงื™ ื—ื‘ืจ'ื”, ืืชื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœืขืงื•ื‘ ืื—ืจื™, ื–ื” ืกื‘ื‘ื”.
05:25
But I'll watch myself. It's okay.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืืขืงื•ื‘ ืื—ืจื™. ื–ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
05:27
You don't have to waste your energy or your resources.
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ืืชื ืœื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื‘ื–ื‘ื– ืื ืจื’ื™ื” ืื• ืžืฉืื‘ื™ื.
05:29
And I'll help you out.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืืขื–ื•ืจ ืœื›ื.
05:32
So in the process, I start thinking, well what else might they know about me?
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ืื– ื‘ืชื”ืœื™ืš, ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘, ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ ืžื” ืขื•ื“ ื”ื ืื•ืœื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืขืœื™?
05:35
Well they probably have all my flight records,
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ ื›ื ืจืื” ื™ืฉ ืœื”ื ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ืขืœ ื”ื˜ื™ืกื•ืช ืฉืœื™,
05:37
so I decided to put all my flight records from birth online.
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ืื– ื”ื—ืœื˜ืชื™ ืœืฉื™ื ืืช ื›ืœ ืžื™ื“ืข ื”ื˜ื™ืกื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ืžืœื™ื“ื” ื‘ืจืฉืช.
05:42
So you can see, Delta 1252
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ืื– ืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช, ื“ืœืชื 1252
05:45
going from Kansas City to Atlanta.
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ื˜ืกื” ืžืงื ืกืก ืœืื˜ืœื ื˜ื”.
05:47
And then you see, these are some of the meals that I've been fed on the planes.
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ื•ืื– ืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื, ืืœื” ื›ืžื” ืžื”ืืจื•ื—ื•ืช ืฉื”ืื›ื™ืœื• ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ืžื˜ื•ืกื™ื.
05:52
This was on Delta 719
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขืœ ื“ืœืชื 719
05:54
going from JFK to San Francisco.
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ืžJFK ืœืกืืŸ ืคืจื ืกื™ืกืงื•.
05:58
See that? They won't let me on a plane with that,
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ืจื•ืื™ื ืืช ื–ื”? ื”ื ืœื ื ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืœืขืœื•ืช ืœืžื˜ื•ืก ืขื ื–ื”,
06:01
but they'll give it to me on the plane.
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ื ื•ืชื ื™ื ืœื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืขืœ ื”ืžื˜ื•ืก.
06:03
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
06:05
These are the airports that I hang out in,
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ืืœื” ืฉื“ื•ืช ื”ืชืขื•ืคื” ืฉืื ื™ ืžื‘ืœื” ื‘ื”ื,
06:07
because I like airports.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ื”ื‘ ืฉื“ื•ืช ืชืขื•ืคื”.
06:09
That's Kennedy airport, May 19th, Tuesday.
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ื–ื” ืฉื“ื” ื”ืชืขื•ืคื” ืงื ื“ื™, 19 ื‘ืžืื™, ื™ื•ื ืฉืœื™ืฉื™.
06:12
This is in Warsaw.
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ื–ื” ื‘ื•ื•ืจืฉื”.
06:15
Singapore. You can see, they're kind of empty.
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ืกื™ื ื’ืคื•ืจ. ืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช, ื”ื ื“ื™ื™ ืจื™ืงื™ื.
06:18
These images are shot really anonymously
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ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื• ืฆื•ืœืžื• ื‘ืืžืช ื‘ืื ื•ื ื™ืžื™ื•ืช
06:20
to the point where it could be anyone.
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ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ืฉื–ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื›ืœ ืื—ื“.
06:22
But if you can cross-reference this with the other data,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœื”ืฆืœื™ื‘ ืืช ื–ื” ืขื ืฉืืจ ื”ืžื™ื“ืข,
06:25
then you're basically replaying the roll of the FBI agent
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ืื– ื‘ืขืฆื ืืชื ืžืฉื—ืงื™ื ืืช ืชืคืงื™ื“ ืกื•ื›ืŸ ื”FBI
06:27
and putting it all together.
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ื•ืžื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืืช ื”ื›ืœ.
06:29
And when you're in a situation
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ื•ื›ืฉืืชื ื‘ืžืฆื‘
06:31
where you have to justify every moment of your existence,
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ืฉืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื”ืฆื“ื™ืง ื›ืœ ืจื’ืข ืฉืœ ื”ืงื™ื•ื ืฉืœื›ื,
06:33
you're put in the situation where you react in a very different manner.
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ืืชื ืžื•ืฆื‘ื™ื ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืฉืืชื ืžื’ื™ื‘ื™ื ื‘ื“ืจืš ืฉื•ื ื” ืžืื•ื“.
06:36
At the time that this was going on,
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ื‘ืชืงื•ืคื” ืฉื–ื” ื”ืชืจื—ืฉ,
06:38
the last thing on my mind was "art project."
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ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ื‘ืจืืฉื™ ื”ื™ื” "ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ืื•ืžื ื•ืชื™"
06:41
I was certainly not thinking, hey, I got new work here.
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ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜ ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™, ื”ื™ื™, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื—ื“ืฉื” ื›ืืŸ.
06:44
But after going through this, after realizing, well what just happened?
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ืื‘ืœ ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื”ื‘ื ืชื™, ืจื’ืข ืžื” ืงืจื” ืขื›ืฉื™ื•?
06:47
And after piecing together this, this and this,
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ื•ืื—ืจื™ ืฉื—ื™ื‘ืจืชื™ ื‘ื™ื—ื“ ืืช ื–ื”, ื–ื” ื•ื–ื”,
06:49
this way of actually trying to figure out what happened for myself
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ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื–ื• ืฉืœ ื‘ืืžืช ืœื ืกื•ืช ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืžื” ืงืจื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ืขืฆืžื™
06:52
eventually evolved into this,
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ืœื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื”ืชืคืชื— ืœื–ื”,
06:54
and it actually became this project.
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ื•ื–ื” ื‘ืขืฆื ื”ืคืš ืœืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื”ื–ื”.
06:57
So these are the stores that I shop in -- some of them --
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ืื– ืืœื• ื”ื—ื ื•ื™ื•ืช ืฉืื ื™ ืงื•ื ื” ื‘ื”ืŸ -- ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืŸ --
06:59
because they need to know.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื“ืขืช.
07:01
This is me buying some duck flavored paste
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ื–ื” ืื ื™ ืงื•ื ื” ืžืžืจื— ื‘ื˜ืขื ื‘ืจื•ื•ื–
07:03
at the Ranch 99 in Daly City
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ื‘ืจืื ืฅ' 99 ื‘ืขื™ืจ ื“ืืœื™
07:05
on Sunday, November 15th.
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ื‘ื™ื•ื ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื”15 ื‘ื ื•ื‘ืžื‘ืจ.
07:07
At Coreana Supermarket
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ื‘ืกื•ืคืจืžืจืงื˜ ืงื•ืจืื ื”
07:09
buying my kimchi because I like kimchi.
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ืงื•ื ื” ืืช ื”ืงื™ืžืฆ'ื™ ืฉืœื™ ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ื”ื‘ ืงื™ืžืฆ'ื™.
07:11
And I bought some crabs too right around there,
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ื•ืงื ื™ืชื™ ื’ื ืกืจื˜ื ื™ื ืฉื,
07:14
and some chitlins at the Safeway in Emoryville.
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ื•ื›ืžื” ืฆ'ื™ื˜ื™ืœื™ื ื™ื ื‘ืกื™ื™ืคื•ื•ื™ ื‘ืืžื•ืจื™ื•ื™ืœ.
07:17
And laundry too. Laundry detergent at West Oakland --
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ื•ื›ื‘ื™ืกื” ื’ื. ืกื‘ื•ืŸ ื›ื‘ื™ืกื” ื‘ืžืขืจื‘ ืื•ืงืœื ื“ --
07:19
East Oakland, sorry.
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ืžื–ืจื— ืื•ืงืœื ื“, ืกืœื™ื—ื”.
07:21
And then my pickled jellyfish
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ื•ืื– ืืช ื”ืžื“ื•ื–ื•ืช ื”ืžืฉื•ืžืจื•ืช ืฉืœื™
07:23
at the Hong Kong Supermarket on Route 18 in East Brunswick.
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ื‘ื”ื•ื ืง ืงื•ื ื’ ืกื•ืคืจืžืจืงื˜ ื‘ื“ืจืš 18 ื‘ืžื–ืจื— ื‘ืจื ืกื•ื•ื™ืง.
07:26
Now if you go to my bank records,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ืชื›ื ืกื• ืœื—ืฉื‘ื•ืŸ ื”ื‘ื ืง ืฉืœื™,
07:28
it'll actually show something from there,
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ื–ื” ืœืžืขืฉื” ืžืจืื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืžืฉื,
07:30
so you know that, on May 9th,
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ืื– ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ืฉื‘ 9 ื‘ืžืื™,
07:32
that I bought $14.79 in fuel from Safeway Vallejo.
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ืงื ื™ืชื™ ื“ืœืง ื‘ 14.79$ ืžืกื™ื™ืคื•ื•ื™ ื•ืœื—ื•.
07:35
So not only that I'm giving this information here and there,
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ืื– ืœื ืจืง ืฉืื ื™ ื ื•ืชืŸ ืืช ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ืคื” ื•ืฉื,
07:39
but now there's a third party,
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ืืœื ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื™ืฉ ืฆื“ ืฉืœื™ืฉื™,
07:41
an independent third party, my bank,
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ืฆื“ ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ ืขืฆืžืื™, ื”ื‘ื ืง ืฉืœื™,
07:44
that's verifying that, yes indeed, I was there at this time.
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ืฉืžืืฉืจ, ืฉื›ืŸ ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜, ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฉื ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ื–ืžืŸ.
07:46
So there's points, and these points are actually being cross-referenced.
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ืื– ื™ืฉ ื ืงื•ื“ื•ืช, ื•ื”ื ืงื•ื“ื•ืช ื”ืืœื• ื ื‘ื“ืงื•ืช ืžื›ืœ ื”ื›ื™ื•ื•ื ื™ื.
07:49
And there's a verification taking place.
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ื•ื™ืฉ ื•ื™ื“ื•ื ืฉืžืชืจื—ืฉ.
07:51
Sometimes they're really small purchases.
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ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื™ืฉ ื‘ืืžืช ืงื ื™ื•ืช ืงื˜ื ื•ืช.
07:53
So 34 cents foreign transaction fee.
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ืื– 34 ืกื ื˜ ืขืžืœืช ืคืขื•ืœื” ื—ื™ืฆื•ื ื™ืช.
07:55
All of these are extracted directly from my bank accounts,
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ื›ืœ ืืœื” ื ืžืฉื›ื™ื ื™ืฉื™ืจื•ืช ืžื—ืฉื‘ื•ื ื•ืช ื”ื‘ื ืง ืฉืœื™,
07:58
and everything pops up right away.
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ื•ื”ื›ืœ ืงื•ืคืฅ ืžื™ื“.
08:00
Sometimes there's a lot of information.
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ืœืคืขืžื™ื ื™ืฉ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื™ื“ืข.
08:02
This is exactly where my old apartment in San Francisco was.
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ื–ื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื”ืžืงื•ื ื‘ื• ื”ื“ื™ืจื” ื”ื™ืฉื ื” ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืกืŸ ืคืจื ืกื™ืกืงื• ื”ื™ืชื”.
08:06
And then sometimes you get this.
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ื•ืื– ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืืช ื–ื”.
08:08
Sometimes you just get this, just an empty hallway in Salt Lake City,
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ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืืช ื–ื”, ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžืกื“ืจื•ืŸ ืจื™ืง ื‘ืขื™ืจ ืกื•ืœื˜ ืœื™ื™ื™ืง,
08:10
January 22nd.
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22 ื‘ื™ื ื•ืืจ.
08:12
And I can tell you exactly who I was with, where I was,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื›ื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืขื ืžื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™, ืื™ืคื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™,
08:14
because this is what I had to do with the FBI.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืขื ื”FBI.
08:16
I had to tell them every little detail of everything.
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ืœืกืคืจ ืœื”ื ื›ืœ ืคืจื˜ ืงื˜ืŸ ืขืœ ื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ.
08:18
I spend a lot of time on the road.
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ื‘ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ ื‘ื“ืจื›ื™ื.
08:20
This is a parking lot in Elko, Nevada
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ื–ื” ืžื’ืจืฉ ื—ื ื™ื” ื‘ืืœืงื•, ื ื‘ืื“ื”
08:22
off of Route 80
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ืœื™ื“ ื›ื‘ื™ืฉ 80.
08:24
at 8:01 p.m. on August 19th.
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ื‘ 20:01 ื‘19 ื‘ืื•ื’ื•ืกื˜.
08:26
I spend a lot of time in gas stations too -- empty train stations.
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ื‘ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ื’ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ื–ืžืŸ ื‘ืชื—ื ื•ืช ื“ืœืง -- ืชื—ื ื•ืช ืจื›ื‘ืช ืจื™ืงื•ืช.
08:29
So there's multiple databases.
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ืื– ื™ืฉ ืžื’ื•ื•ืŸ ืžืื’ืจื™ ื ืชื•ื ื™ื.
08:31
And there's thousands and thousands and thousands of images.
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ื•ื™ืฉ ืืœืคื™ ื•ืืœืคื™ ื•ืืœืคื™ ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช.
08:34
There's actually 46,000 images right now on my site,
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ื™ืฉ ืœืžืขืฉื” 46,000 ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื‘ืืชืจ ืฉืœื™,
08:37
and the FBI has seen all of them --
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ื•ื”FBI ืจืื” ืืช ื›ื•ืœืŸ --
08:40
at least I trust they've seen all of them.
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ืœืคื—ื•ืช ืื ื™ ื‘ื•ื˜ื— ืฉื”ื ืจืื• ืืช ื›ื•ืœืŸ.
08:43
And then sometimes you don't get much information at all,
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ื•ืื– ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืืชื ืœื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ื›ืžืขื˜ ื‘ื›ืœืœ ืžื™ื“ืข,
08:46
you just get this empty bed.
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ืืชื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืืช ื”ืžื™ื˜ื” ื”ืจื™ืงื” ื”ื–ื•.
08:48
And sometimes you get a lot of text information and no visual information.
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ื•ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืืชื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื™ื“ืข ื˜ืงืกื˜ื•ืืœื™ ื‘ืœื™ ืžื™ื“ืข ื•ื™ื–ื•ืืœื™.
08:51
So you get something like this.
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ืื– ืืชื ืžืงื‘ืœื™ื ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”.
08:53
This, by the way, is the location of my favorite sandwich shop in California --
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ื–ื”, ื“ืจืš ืื’ื‘, ื”ื•ื ื”ืžื™ืงื•ื ืฉืœ ื—ื ื•ืช ื”ืกื ื“ื•ื™ืฆ'ื™ื ื”ืื”ื•ื‘ื” ืขืœื™ ื‘ืงืœื™ืคื•ืจื ื™ื” --
08:55
Vietnamese sandwich.
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ืกื ื“ื•ื™ืฆ'ื™ื ื•ื™ืื˜ื ืžื™ื™ื.
08:57
So there's different categorizations
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ืื– ื™ืฉ ืงื˜ืœื•ื’ ืฉื•ื ื”
08:59
of meals eaten outside
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ืฉืœ ืืจื•ื—ื•ืช ืฉื ืื›ืœื• ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ
09:01
empty train stations, empty gas stations.
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ืชื—ื ื•ืช ืจื›ื‘ืช ืจื™ืงื•ืช, ืชื—ื ื•ืช ื“ืœืง ืจื™ืงื•ืช.
09:04
These are some of the meals that I've been cooking at home.
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ืืœื” ืจืง ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืืจื•ื—ื•ืช ืฉื‘ื™ืฉืœืชื™ ื‘ื‘ื™ืช.
09:06
So how do you know these are meals eaten at home?
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ืื– ืื™ืš ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉืืœื” ืืจื•ื—ื•ืช ืฉื ืื›ืœื• ื‘ื‘ื™ืช?
09:08
Well the same plate shows up a whole bunch of times.
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ ืื•ืชื” ื”ืฆืœื—ืช ืžื•ืคื™ืขื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ืžื”ืคืขืžื™ื.
09:11
So again, you have to do some detective work here.
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ืื– ืฉื•ื‘, ืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืงืฆืช ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื‘ืœืฉื•ืช ืคื”.
09:14
So sometimes the databases get so specific.
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ืื– ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืžืื’ืจ ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืกืคืฆื™ืคื™.
09:17
These are all tacos eaten in Mexico City
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ืืœื” ื›ืœ ื”ื˜ืืงื• ืฉืื›ืœืชื™ ื‘ืžืงืกื™ืงื• ืกื™ื˜ื™
09:19
near a train station
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ืœื™ื“ ืชื—ื ืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ืช
09:21
on July fifth to July sixth.
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ื‘ื—ืžื™ืฉื™ ื•ื”ืฉื™ืฉื™ ื‘ื™ื•ืœื™.
09:24
At 11:39 a.m. was this one.
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ื‘ 11:39 ื”ื™ื” ื–ื”.
09:26
At 1:56 p.m. was this one. At 4:59 p.m. was this one.
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ื‘ 13:56 ื”ื™ื” ื–ื”. ื‘16:59 ื”ื™ื” ื–ื”.
09:29
So I time-stamp my life every few moments.
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ืื– ืื ื™ ืฉื ื—ื•ืชืžื•ืช ื–ืžืŸ ืขืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืžื” ื“ืงื•ืช.
09:32
Every few moments I shoot the image.
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ื›ืœ ื›ืžื” ืจื’ืขื™ื ืื ื™ ืžืฆืœื ืชืžื•ื ื”.
09:34
Now it's all done on my iPhone,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ื›ืœ ื ืขืฉื” ืžื”ืื™ื™ืคื•ืŸ ืฉืœื™.
09:36
and it all goes straight up to my server,
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ื•ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื•ืœืš ื™ืฉื™ืจื•ืช ืœืฉืจืช ืฉืœื™,
09:38
and my server does all the backend work
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ื•ื”ืฉืจืช ืฉืœื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื”
09:40
and categorizes things and puts everything together.
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ื•ืžืงื˜ืœื’ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื•ืžื—ื‘ืจ ืืช ื”ื›ืœ.
09:43
They need to know where I'm doing my business,
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ื”ื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื“ืขืช ืื™ืคื” ืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ื”ืขืกืงื™ื ืฉืœื™,
09:45
because they want to know about my business.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื“ืขืช ืขืœ ื”ืขืกืงื™ื ืฉืœื™.
09:48
So on December 4th, I went here.
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ืื– ื‘ืจื‘ื™ืขื™ ื‘ื“ืฆืžื‘ืจ, ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœื›ืืŸ.
09:51
And on Sunday, June 14th at 2009 --
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ื•ื‘ื™ื•ื ืจืืฉื•ืŸ ื” 14 ื‘ื™ื•ื ื™ 2009 --
09:54
this was actually about two o'clock in the afternoon
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืœืžืขืฉื” 2 ื‘ืฆื”ืจื™ื™ื
09:56
in Skowhegan, Maine -- this was my apartment there.
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ื‘ืกืงื•ื”ื’ืŸ, ืžื™ื™ืŸ -- ื–ื• ื”ื™ืชื” ื”ื“ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ืฉื.
09:58
So what you're basically seeing here
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ืื– ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื ื‘ืขื™ืงืจื•ืŸ ื›ืืŸ
10:01
is all bits and pieces and all this information.
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ื–ื” ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื—ืœืงื™ื ื•ื›ืœ ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ื”ื–ื”.
10:03
If you go to my site, there's tons of things.
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ืื ืชื’ืœืฉื• ืœืืชืจ ืฉืœื™, ื™ืฉ ื˜ื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื.
10:06
And really, it's not the most user-friendly interface.
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ื•ื‘ืืžืช, ื–ื” ืœื ื”ืžืžืฉืง ื”ื›ื™ ื™ื“ื™ื“ื•ืชื™ ืœืžืฉืชืžืฉ.
10:09
It's actually quite user-unfriendly.
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ื–ื” ืœืžืขืฉื” ื“ื™ ืœื ื™ื“ื™ื“ื•ืชื™ ืœืžืฉืชืžืฉ.
10:13
And one of the reasons, also being part of the user-unfriendliness,
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ื•ืื—ืช ื”ืกื™ื‘ื•ืช, ื’ื ื—ืœืง ืžื—ื•ืกืจ ื”ื™ื“ื™ื“ื•ืชื™ื•ืช,
10:15
is that everything is there,
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ื”ื™ื ืฉื”ื›ืœ ืฉื,
10:17
but you have to really work through it.
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ืื‘ืœ ืฆืจื™ืš ื‘ืืžืช ืœืขื‘ื•ื“ ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœ ื”ืžื™ื“ืข.
10:19
So by me putting all this information out there,
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ืื– ื‘ื–ื” ืฉืฉืžืชื™ ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ื”ื–ื” ืฉื,
10:23
what I'm basically telling you is I'm telling you everything.
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ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ืขื™ืงืจื•ืŸ ืื•ืžืจ ืœื›ื ื”ื•ื ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืœื›ื ื”ื›ืœ.
10:26
But in this barrage of noise
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืชื•ืš ื›ืœ ื”ืจืขืฉ ื”ื–ื”
10:28
that I'm putting out,
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ืฉืื ื™ ืžื•ืฆื™ื,
10:30
I actually live an incredibly anonymous and private life.
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ืื ื™ ื‘ืขืฆื ื—ื™ื™ ื—ื™ื™ื ืžืื•ื“ ืื ื•ื ื™ืžื™ื™ื ื•ืคืจื˜ื™ื™ื.
10:34
And you know very little about me actually.
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ื•ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืžืขื˜ ืžืื•ื“ ืขืœื™ ืœืžืขืฉื”.
10:38
And really so I've come to the conclusion
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ื•ื‘ืืžืช ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืœืžืกืงื ื”
10:41
that the way you protect your privacy,
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ืฉื”ื“ืจืš ื‘ื” ืืชื ืžื’ื ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื›ื,
10:43
particularly in an era where everything is cataloged
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ื‘ืขื™ืงืจ ื‘ืขื™ื“ืŸ ื‘ื• ื”ื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื˜ืœื’
10:45
and everything is archived and everything is recorded,
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ื•ื”ื›ืœ ืžืื•ืจื›ื‘ ื•ื”ื›ืœ ืžื•ืงืœื˜,
10:47
there's no need to delete information anymore.
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ืื™ืŸ ืฆื•ืจืš ืœืžื—ื•ืง ืžื™ื“ืข ื™ื•ืชืจ.
10:50
So what do you do when everything is out there?
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ืื– ืžื” ืืชื ืขื•ืฉื™ื ื›ืฉื”ื›ืœ ื ืžืฆื ืฉื?
10:53
Well you have to take control over it.
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ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ ืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœืฉืœื•ื˜ ืขืœ ื–ื”.
10:55
And if I give you this information directly,
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ื•ืื ืื ื™ ื ื•ืชืŸ ืœื›ื ืืช ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ื”ื–ื” ื™ืฉื™ืจื•ืช,
10:58
it's a very different type of identity
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ื–ื” ืกื•ื’ ืฉื•ื ื” ืœื—ืœื•ื˜ื™ืŸ ืฉืœ ื–ื”ื•ืช
11:01
than if you were to try to go through and try to get bits and pieces.
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ืžืืฉืจ ืื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ืžื ืกื™ื ืœืขื‘ื•ืจ ื•ืœื—ืคืฉ ืืช ืคื™ืกื•ืช ื”ืžื™ื“ืข ื”ื–ื”.
11:04
The other thing that's also interesting that's going on here
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ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืฉื ื™ ืฉื’ื ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืฉืงื•ืจื” ืคื”
11:07
is the fact that intelligence agencies --
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ื”ื•ื ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉืกื•ื›ื ื•ื™ื•ืช ื‘ื™ื•ืŸ --
11:09
and it doesn't matter who they are --
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ื•ื–ื” ืœื ืžืฉื ื” ืžื™ ื”ืŸ --
11:12
they all operate in an industry
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ื›ื•ืœืŸ ืคื•ืขืœื•ืช ื‘ืชืขืฉื™ื”
11:14
where their commodity is information,
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ื–ื” ื”ืžื•ืฆืจ ื”ื ื“ืจืฉ ื”ื•ื ืžื™ื“ืข,
11:16
or restricted access to information.
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ืื• ื’ื™ืฉื” ืžื•ื’ื‘ืœืช ืœืžื™ื“ืข.
11:18
And the reason their information has any value
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ื•ื”ืกื™ื‘ื” ืฉืœืžื™ื“ืข ืฉืœื”ืŸ ื™ืฉ ืื™ื–ืฉื”ื• ืขืจืš
11:21
is, well, because no one else has access to it.
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ื”ื™ื, ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืœืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืื—ืจ ืื™ืŸ ื’ื™ืฉื” ืืœื™ื•.
11:24
And by me cutting out the middle man
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ื•ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื–ื” ืฉื ืคื˜ืจืชื™ ืžื”ืื™ืฉ ืฉื‘ืืžืฆืข
11:26
and giving it straight to you,
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ื•ื ืชืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื™ืฉืจ ืืœื™ื›ื,
11:29
the information that the FBI has has no value,
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ืœืžื™ื“ืข ืฉื™ืฉ ืœFBI ืื™ืŸ ื›ืœ ืขืจืš,
11:32
so thus devaluing their currency.
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ื›ืš ื’ื ืžื•ืจื™ื“ื™ื ืืช ืขืจื›ื.
11:35
And I understand that, on an individual level,
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžื‘ื™ืŸ, ืฉื‘ืจืžื” ื”ืคืจื˜ื™ืช,
11:37
it's purely symbolic.
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ื–ื” ืœื’ืžืจื™ ืกื™ืžื‘ื•ืœื™.
11:39
But if 300 million people in the U.S.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื 300 ืžืœื™ื•ืŸ ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืืจื”"ื‘
11:41
started doing this,
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ื™ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื”,
11:43
we would have to redesign the entire intelligence system
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ื™ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืขื™ืฆื•ื‘ ืžื—ื“ืฉ ืžื•ื—ืœื˜ ืฉืœ ืžืขืจื›ืช ื”ืžื•ื“ื™ืขื™ืŸ
11:45
from the ground up.
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ืžืœืžื˜ื” ืœืžืขืœื”.
11:47
Because it just wouldn't work if everybody was sharing everything.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื–ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœื ื™ืขื‘ื•ื“ ืื ื›ื•ืœื ื™ื—ืœืงื• ื”ื›ืœ.
11:50
And we're getting to that.
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ืœื–ื”.
11:52
When I first started this project,
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ื›ืฉื”ืชื—ืœืชื™ ืืช ื”ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜ ื”ื–ื”,
11:54
people were looking at me and saying,
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื‘ื™ื˜ื• ื‘ื™ ื•ืืžืจื•,
11:56
"Why would you want to tell everybody what you're doing, where you're at?
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"ืœืžื” ืฉืชืจืฆื” ืœื”ื’ื™ื“ ืœื›ื•ืœื ืžื” ืืชื” ืขื•ืฉื”, ืื™ืคื” ืืชื” ื ืžืฆื?
11:59
Why are you posting these photos?"
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ืœืžื” ืืชื” ืžืขืœื” ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ื”ืืœื•?"
12:01
This was an age before people were Tweeting everywhere
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื”ื“ื•ืจ ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื›ื•ืœื ืฆื™ื™ืฆื• ืœื›ืœ ืžืงื•ื
12:05
and 750 million people
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ื• 750 ืžืœื™ื•ืŸ ืื ืฉื™ื
12:08
were posting status messages
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ืฉืœื—ื• ืขื™ื“ื›ื•ื ื™ ืžืฆื‘
12:10
or poking people.
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ืื• ื“ื—ืคื• ืื ืฉื™ื.
12:12
So in a way, I'm glad that I'm completely obsolete.
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ืื– ื‘ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืžืกื•ื™ื™ื, ืื ื™ ืฉืžื— ืฉืื ื™ ืžื™ื•ืฉืŸ ืœื—ืœื•ื˜ื™ืŸ.
12:15
I'm still doing this project, but it is obsolete,
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ืื ื™ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืžืžืฉื™ืš ื‘ืคืจื•ื™ื™ืงื˜, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืคื’ ืชื•ืงืฃ,
12:18
because you're all doing it.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื›ื•ืœื›ื ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืืช ื–ื”.
12:20
This is something that we all are doing on a daily basis,
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ื–ื” ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืขืœ ื‘ืกื™ืก ื™ื•ืžื™,
12:22
whether we're aware of it or not.
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ื‘ื™ืŸ ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ืขืจื™ื ืœื–ื” ืื• ืœื.
12:24
So we're creating our own archives and so on.
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ืื– ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื•ืฆืจื™ื ืืช ื”ืืจื›ื™ื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœื ื• ื•ื›ืš ื”ืœืื”.
12:27
And you know, some of my friends have always said,
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ื•ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ื—ืœืง ืžื—ื‘ืจื™ ืชืžื™ื“ ืืžืจื•,
12:30
"Hey, you're just paranoid. Why are you doing this?
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"ื”ื™, ืืชื” ืกืชื ืคืจื ื•ืื™ื“. ืœืžื” ืืชื” ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”?
12:32
Because no one's really watching.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ืžืกืชื›ืœ.
12:34
No one's really going to bother you."
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ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ื™ื˜ืจื— ื‘ื’ืœืœืš."
12:36
So one of the things that I do
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ืื– ืื—ื“ ืžื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื”
12:38
is I actually look through my server logs very carefully.
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ื–ื” ืœืžืขืฉื” ืœื”ื‘ื™ื˜ ื‘ืœื•ื’ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืฉืจืช ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืงืคื“ื ื•ืช.
12:40
Because it's about surveillance.
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ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื–ื” ืžืขืงื‘.
12:42
I'm watching who's watching me.
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ืื ื™ ืขื•ืงื‘ ืื—ืจื™ ืžื™ ืฉืขื•ืงื‘ ืื—ืจื™.
12:45
And I came up with these.
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ื•ื”ื’ืขืชื™ ืœืืœื”.
12:47
So these are some of my sample logs.
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ืื– ืืœื” ื›ืžื” ื“ื•ื’ืžืื•ืช ืœืœื•ื’ื™ื.
12:49
And just little bits and pieces, and you can see some of the things there.
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ื•ืจืง ืงืฆืช ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืคื” ื•ืฉื, ื•ืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช ื›ืžื” ืžื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื.
12:52
And I cleaned up the list a little bit so you can see.
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ื•ืื ื™ ื ื™ืงื™ืชื™ ืืช ื”ืจืฉื™ืžื” ืžืขื˜ ื›ื“ื™ ืฉืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช.
12:55
So you can see that the Homeland Security likes to come by --
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ืื– ืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉืžืฉืจื“ ื‘ื˜ื—ื•ืŸ ื”ืคื ื™ื ืื•ื”ื‘ ืœื‘ืงืจ --
12:58
Department of Homeland Security.
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ื”ืžื—ืœืงื” ืœื‘ื˜ื—ื•ืŸ ืคื ื™ื.
13:00
You can see the National Security Agency likes to come by.
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ืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื ืฉื”ืกื•ื›ื ื•ืช ืœื‘ื™ื˜ื—ื•ืŸ ืœืื•ืžื™ ืื•ื”ื‘ืช ืœื‘ื•ื.
13:02
I actually moved very close to them. I live right down the street from them now.
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ืœืžืขืฉื” ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ืžืื•ื“ ืงืจื•ื‘ ืืœื™ื”ื. ืื ื™ ื’ืจ ืžืžืฉ ื‘ืžื•ืจื“ ื”ืจื—ื•ื‘ ืžื”ื ืขื›ืฉื™ื•.
13:06
Central Intelligence Agency.
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ืกื•ื›ื ื•ืช ื”ื‘ื™ื•ืŸ ื”ืžืจื›ื–ื™ืช.
13:08
Executive Office of the President.
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ื”ืžืฉืจื“ ื”ื‘ื™ืฆื•ืขื™ ืฉืœ ื”ื ืฉื™ื.
13:12
Not really sure why they show up, but they do.
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ืœื ืžืžืฉ ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืœืžื” ื”ื ืžื•ืคื™ืขื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ื” ื”ื.
13:15
I think they kind of like to look at art.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช ืื•ืžื ื•ืช.
13:17
And I'm glad that we have patrons of the arts in these fields.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืฉืžื— ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ืคื˜ืจื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืื•ืžื ื•ืช ื‘ืชื—ื•ืžื™ื ื”ืืœื•.
13:21
So thank you very much. I appreciate it.
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ืื– ืชื•ื“ื” ืœื›ื ืžืื•ื“. ืื ื™ ืžืขืจื™ืš ืืช ื–ื”.
13:23
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
13:33
Bruno Giussani: Hasan, just curious.
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ื‘ืจื•ื ื• ื’ื™ื•ืกื ื™: ื—ืกืŸ, ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื™.
13:35
You said, "Now everything automatically goes from my iPhone,"
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ืืžืจืช, "ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื”ื›ืœ ืขื•ื‘ืจ ืื•ื˜ื•ืžื˜ื™ืช ืžื”ืื™ื™ืคื•ืŸ ืฉืœื™,"
13:38
but actually you do take the pictures and put on information.
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ืื‘ืœ ืœืžืขืฉื” ืืชื” ืžืฆืœื ืืช ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ื•ืžื•ืกื™ืฃ ืืช ื”ืžื™ื“ืข.
13:40
So how many hours of the day does that take?
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ืื– ื›ืžื” ืฉืขื•ืช ื‘ื™ื•ื ื–ื” ืœื•ืงื—?
13:43
HE: Almost none.
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ื—.ื. ื›ืžืขื˜ ื›ืœื•ื.
13:45
It's no different
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ืื™ืŸ ื”ื‘ื“ืœ
13:47
than sending a text.
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ืžืœืฉืœื•ื— ื”ื•ื“ืขืช ื˜ืงืกื˜.
13:49
It's no different than checking an email.
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ื–ื” ืœื ืฉื•ื ื” ืžืœื‘ื“ื•ืง ืื™ืžื™ื™ืœ.
13:52
It's one of those things, we got by just fine before we had to do any of those.
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ื–ื” ืื—ื“ ืžื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื, ืฉื”ืกืชื“ืจื ื• ื‘ืœืขื“ื™ื”ื ื‘ืกื“ืจ ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ืืœื”.
13:54
So it's just become another day.
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ืื– ื–ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ื•ืคืš ืœืขื•ื“ ื™ื•ื.
13:56
I mean, when we update a status message,
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ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ, ื›ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžืขื“ื›ื ื™ื ืกื˜ื˜ื•ืก,
13:58
we don't really think about how long that's going to take.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื‘ืืžืช ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ื›ืžื” ื–ืžืŸ ื–ื” ื™ืงื—.
14:01
So it's really just a matter of my phone clicking a couple of clicks,
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ืื– ื–ื” ื‘ืขืฆื ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ืฉืœื™ ืฉืœื•ื—ืฅ ื›ืžื” ืงืœื™ืงื™ื,
14:03
send, and then it's done.
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ืฉืœื—, ื•ื–ื” ื ืขืฉื”.
14:05
And everything's automated at the other end.
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ื•ื”ื›ืœ ืื•ื˜ื•ืžื˜ื™ ื‘ืฆื“ ื”ืฉื ื™.
14:07
BG: On the day you are in a place where there is no coverage, the FBI gets crazy?
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ื‘.ื’. ื‘ื™ื•ื ื‘ื• ืืชื” ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืœืœื ื›ื™ืกื•ื™, ื”FBI ืžืฉืชื’ืขื™ื?
14:10
HE: Well it goes to the last point that I was at.
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ื—.ื. ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ ื–ื” ื”ื•ืœืš ืœื ืงื•ื“ื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ื‘ื” ื”ื™ื™ืชื™.
14:12
So it holds onto the very last point.
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ื›ืš ืฉื–ื” ืฉื•ืžืจ ืืช ื”ื ืงื•ื“ื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื”.
14:14
So if I'm on a 12-hour flight,
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ืื– ืื ืื ื™ ื‘ื˜ื™ืกื” ืฉืœ 12 ืฉืขื•ืช,
14:16
you'll see the last airport that I departed from.
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ืืชื” ืชืจืื” ืืช ื ืžืœ ื”ืชืขื•ืคื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืžืžื ื• ื™ืฆืืชื™.
14:19
BG: Hasan, thank you very much. (HE: Thank you.)
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ื‘.ื’. ื—ืกืŸ, ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื” ืœืš. (ื—.ื. ืชื•ื“ื” ืœืš.)
14:22
(Applause)
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ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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