Hasan Elahi: FBI, here I am!

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Poram Lee ๊ฒ€ํ† : Woo Hwang
00:15
Hi there. I'm Hasan. I'm an artist.
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์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ์ €๋Š” ํ•˜์‚ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ๊ฐ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:17
And usually when I tell people I'm an artist,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ณดํ†ต ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ๊ฐ€๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋ฉด
00:20
they just look at me and say, "Do you paint?"
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ ˆ ๋ณด๊ณ  "๊ทธ๋ฆผ์„ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋˜๋ฌป์ฃ .
00:22
or "What kind of medium do you work in?"
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๋˜๋Š” "์–ด๋–ค ๋งค์ฒด๋กœ ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌป์ฃ .
00:25
Well most of my work that I work with
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
00:27
is really a little bit about methodologies of working
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์–ด๋–ค ํŠน์ • ๋ถ„์•ผ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•๋ก ์—
00:30
rather than actually a specific discipline
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๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฑฐ์— ๋” ๊ด€๋ จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:33
or a specific technique.
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๋˜๋Š” ํŠน์ • ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š”์š”.
00:35
So what I'm really interested in is creative problem solving.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ๊ด€์‹ฌ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฐฝ์กฐ์ ์ธ ๋ฌธ์ œ ํ•ด๊ฒฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:38
And I had a little bit of a problem a few years ago.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ์ „์— ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:41
So let me show you a little of that.
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๊ทธ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ณด์—ฌ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ฃ .
00:43
So it started over here.
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๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ์ด์ชฝ์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:45
And this is the Detroit airport in June 19th of 2002.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ 2002๋…„ 6์›” 19์ผ, ๋””ํŠธ๋กœ์ดํŠธ ๊ณตํ•ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:49
I was flying back to the U.S. from an exhibition overseas.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ตญ์™ธ ์ „์‹œํšŒ์—์„œ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๋Š” ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํƒ”์—ˆ์ฃ .
00:52
And as I was coming back,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฐฉ๋ฅ™ํ•˜์ž
00:54
well I was taken by the FBI, met by an FBI agent,
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FBI ์š”์›๋“ค์ด ์ ˆ ๋งž์ดํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์— ์˜ํ•ด ์—ฐํ–‰๋˜์–ด
00:57
and went into a little room
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์–ด๋Š ์ž‘์€ ๋ฐฉ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:59
and he asked me all sorts of questions --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฒŒ ์˜จ๊ฐ– ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“ค์„ ํ–ˆ์ฃ  -
01:01
"Where were you? What were you doing? Who were you talking with?
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"์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜? ๋ญ˜ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜? ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์™€ ์—ฐ๋ฝ์„ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๊ฐ€?
01:03
Why were you there? Who pays for your trips?" --
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์™œ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜โ€‹โ€‹? ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์—ฌํ–‰๊ฒฝ๋น„๋ฅผ ์ง€๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋‚˜?"
01:05
all these little details.
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์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์„ธ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ๋“ค์„์š”.
01:07
And then literally just out of nowhere,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ง ๊ทธ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋œฌ๊ธˆ์—†์ด ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฒŒ
01:09
the guy asks me, "Where were you September 12th?"
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"9์›” 12์ผ ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌป๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
01:12
And when most of us get asked, "Where were you September 12th?"
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ "9์›” 12์ผ ์–ด๋”” ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์–ด๋ณด๋ฉด
01:14
or any date for that fact,
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์•„๋‹˜ ์–ด๋Š ๋‚ ์งœ๋“ ์ง€ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
01:16
it's like, "I don't exactly remember, but I can look it up for you."
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"์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์žฅ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๊ธฐ์–ต์€ ์•ˆ ๋‚˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์›ํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ํ™•์ธํ•ด๋ณด์ฃ ."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:19
So I pulled out my little PDA,
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ํ•ด์„œ, "๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ €์˜ 9์›” 12์ผ ์ผ์ •์„ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋ณผ๊นŒ์š”."๋ผ๋ฉฐ
01:21
and I said, "Okay, let's look up my appointments for September 12th."
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์ œ ์ž‘์€ PDA๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋‚ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:24
I had September 12th -- from 10:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m., I paid my storage bill.
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9์›” 12์ผ... ์—ด ์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์—ด ์‹œ ๋ฐ˜๊นŒ์ง€ ์ œ ์ฐฝ๊ณ  ๋ณด๊ด€๋น„๋ฅผ ๋ƒˆ๊ณ 
01:27
From 10:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m., I met with Judith who was one of my graduate students at the time.
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์˜ค์ „ 10:30๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ •์˜ค๊นŒ์ง€, ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ ์ œ ๋Œ€ํ•™์› ํ•™์ƒ์ด์—ˆ๋˜ ์ฃผ๋””์Šค๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๊ณ 
01:30
From 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m., I taught my intro class,
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์ •์˜ค๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์˜คํ›„ ์„ธ์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€, ์ œ ๊ฐœ๋ก  ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ–ˆ๊ตฐ์š”.
01:32
3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., I taught my advanced class.
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์˜คํ›„ 3์‹œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ 6์‹œ๊นŒ์ง€๋Š” ์‹ฌํ™” ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค๊ณ ์š”.
01:34
"Where were you the 11th?" "Where were you the 10th?"
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"11์ผ ๋‚ ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋”” ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜?" "10์ผ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋”” ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‚˜?"
01:36
"Where were you the 29th? the 30th?"
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"29์ผ์—๋Š”? 30์ผ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋”” ์žˆ์—ˆ์ง€?"
01:38
"Where were you October 5th?"
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"10์›” 5์ผ์—๋Š” ์–ด๋”” ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ?"
01:40
We read about six months of my calendar.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์•ฝ 6๊ฐœ์›”๊ฐ„์˜ ์ œ ์ผ์ •์„ ์ญ‰ ํ›‘์–ด๋ณด์•˜์ง€์š”.
01:43
And I don't think he was expecting me to have such detailed records
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ญ˜ ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์„ธ์„ธํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋ก์„
01:46
of what I did.
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๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๊ณค ์˜ˆ์ƒ์น˜ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:48
But good thing I did,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋‹คํ–‰์ด์—ˆ์ฃ .
01:50
because I don't look good in orange.
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์ „ ์˜ค๋ Œ์ง€ ์ƒ‰๊น”์€ ์ž˜ ์•ˆ ๋ฐ›๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”. [์—ญ: ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ๋ณต์˜ ์ƒ‰๊น”]
01:52
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
01:54
So he asked me --
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:56
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
01:58
"So this storage unit that you paid the rent on,
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"๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ž„๋Œ€๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์ง€๊ธ‰ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด ์ฐฝ๊ณ ,
02:00
what did you have in it?"
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—” ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋ณด๊ด€ํ–ˆ์†Œ?"
02:03
This was in Tampa, Florida,
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ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค์ฃผ ํƒฌํŒŒ์— ์žˆ๋˜ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. [์—ญ: ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋Š˜ ๋”ฐ๋“ฏํ•œ ๊ธฐ์˜จ]
02:05
so I was like, "Winter clothes that I have no use for in Florida.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ "ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ์“ธ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ๊ฒจ์šธ์˜ท๋“คํ•˜๊ณ ,
02:08
Furniture that I can't fit in my ratty apartment.
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์ง€์ €๋ถ„ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ข์€ ์•„ํŒŒํŠธ์— ๋‘˜ ๊ณณ์ด ์—†๋Š” ๊ฐ€๊ตฌ๋“ค,
02:11
Just assorted garage sale junk,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ฐฝ๊ณ  ์ •๋ฆฌ ์žก๋™์‚ฌ๋‹ˆ๋“ค์ด์ฃ .
02:14
because I'm a pack rat."
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ๋ชป ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ์•„๋‘๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”."
02:16
And he looks at me really confused and says, "No explosives?"
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ •๋ง์ด์ง€ ํ˜ผ๋ž€์Šค๋Ÿฝ๋‹จ ํ‘œ์ •์œผ๋กœ ์ ˆ ๋ณด๋ฉฐ "ํญ๋ฐœ๋ฌผ์€?"์ด๋ผ ๋ฌป๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
02:19
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:21
I was like, "No, no. I'm pretty certain there were no explosives.
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์ „ "์•„๋‹ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”. ์ €๊ธฐ์— ํญ๋ฐœ๋ฌผ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑด ํ™•์‹ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:23
And if there were, I would have remembered that one."
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์•„๋งˆ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ์–ต์„ ํ•  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
02:26
And he's still a little confused,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์•„์ง๋„ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํ˜ผ๋ž€์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•˜๋ฉฐ
02:28
but I think that anyone who talks to me for more than a couple of minutes
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์ €์™€ ๋ช‡ ๋ถ„ ์ด์ƒ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆˆ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜
02:30
realizes I'm not exactly a terrorist threat.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋”ฑํžˆ ํ…Œ๋Ÿฌ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ ํƒ€์ž…์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:33
And so we're sitting there,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์•‰์•„์„œ
02:36
and eventually after about an hour, hour and a half of just going back and forth,
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์•ฝ ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„, ํ•œ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋ฐ˜ ์ •๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๊ณ ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ
02:40
he says, "Okay, I have enough information here.
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์นจ๋‚ด "์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๋„ค์š”.
02:42
I'm going to pass this onto the Tampa office. They're the ones who initiated this.
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ํƒฌํŒŒ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค๋กœ ์ด๋ฅผ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๋„๋ก ํ•˜์ฃ . ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ด๊ฑธ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:44
They'll follow up with you, and we'll take care of it."
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ผ€์ด์Šค๋ฅผ ํ›„์† ์กฐ์น˜ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋‹ˆ ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ์•„์„œ ํ•˜์ฃ ."
02:46
I was like, "Great."
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์ „ "์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ ๋‹ตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:48
So I got home and the phone rings,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ง‘์— ์˜ค๋‹ˆ ์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์šธ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:51
and a man introduced himself.
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ํ•œ ๋‚จ์ž๋ถ„์ด ์ž์‹ ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
02:53
Basically this is the FBI offices in Tampa
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํƒฌํŒŒ์— ์žˆ๋Š” FBI ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์—์„œ ๊ฑธ๋ ค์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:56
where I spent six months of my life --
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์ œ ์ธ์ƒ์˜ ์•ฝ 6๊ฐœ์›”์„ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ๊ณณ์ด์ฃ .
02:58
back and forth, not six months continuously.
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์ญ‰ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ์™”๋‹ค ๊ฐ”๋‹ค ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ์š”.
03:00
By the way, you folks know that in the United States,
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ณ , ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ,
03:02
you can't take photographs of federal buildings,
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์—ฐ๋ฐฉ ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์˜ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
03:04
but Google can do it for you.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ตฌ๊ธ€์ด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ๋Œ€์‹ ํ•ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
03:06
So to the folks from Google, thank you.
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ํ•ด์„œ ๊ตฌ๊ธ€์— ๊ณ„์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค๊ป˜, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:08
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
03:11
So I spent a lot of time in this building.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ๊ฑด๋ฌผ์—์„œ ์ „ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:13
Questions like:
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๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ๋ฐ›์œผ๋ฉด์„œ์š”.
03:15
"Have you ever witnessed or participated in any act
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"๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ด๋‚˜ ์™ธ๊ตญ์— ํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
03:18
that may be detrimental to the United States or a foreign nation?"
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์–ด๋– ํ•œ ํ™œ๋™์„ ๋ชฉ๊ฒฉํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"
03:22
And you also have to consider the state of mind you're in
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์ƒํ•ญ์— ๋ถ€๋‹ฅ์ณค์„ ๋•Œ์˜
03:24
when you're doing this.
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๋งˆ์Œ ์ƒํƒœ๋„ ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๊ณ ๋ คํ•ด๋ณด์…”์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:26
You're basically face-to-face with someone
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ƒ๊ณผ ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ
03:28
that essentially decides life or death.
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๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์™€ ๋Œ€๋ฉดํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:31
Or questions such as -- actually, during the polygraph,
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๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ- ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ์ง“๋ง ํƒ์ง€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ,
03:33
which was how it finally ended after nine consecutive of them --
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ ๊ฑฐ์ง“๋ง ํƒ์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•์— 9๊ฐœ์›” ํ›„์— ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์ด ๋๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ.
03:36
one of the polygraph questions was ...
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๊ฑฐ์ง“๋ง ํƒ์ง€๊ธฐ ์งˆ๋ฌธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”...
03:38
well the first one was, "Is your name Hasan?" "Yes."
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š”, "๋‹น์‹  ์ด๋ฆ„์ด ํ•˜์‚ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?" "์˜ˆ."
03:41
"Are we in Florida?" "Yes." "Is today Tuesday?" "Yes."
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"๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ”Œ๋กœ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?" "์˜ˆ." "์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ํ™”์š”์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?" "์˜ˆ."
03:44
Because you have to base it on a yes or no.
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ํƒ์ง€๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ '์˜ˆ, ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”'์— ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์„ ๋‘ฌ์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
03:46
Then, of course, the next question is:
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๊ทธ ํ›„์—” ๋ฌผ๋ก , ๋‹ค์Œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค:
03:48
"Do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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"๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์„ ํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฃน์— ์†ํ•ด์žˆ๋Š”๊ฐ€?"
03:51
I work at a university.
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์ €๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:53
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
03:55
So I was like, "Maybe you want to ask some of my colleagues that directly."
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ „ "๊ทธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์€ ์ œ ๋™๋ฃŒ ์ผ๋ถ€๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ง์ ‘ ํ•˜์…”์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
03:59
But they said, "Okay, aside from what we had discussed,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€, "์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋…ผ์˜ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์ œํ•˜๊ณ ,
04:02
do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์„ ํ•ดํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฃน์— ์†ํ•ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
04:04
I was like, "No."
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์ €๋Š” "์•„๋‹ˆ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
04:06
So at the end of six months of this
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ 6๊ฐœ์›”์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ 
04:08
and nine consecutive polygraphs,
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์—ฐ์†์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฑฐ์ง“๋งํƒ์ง€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ 9๋ฒˆ ๊ฑฐ์นœ ํ›„์—์•ผ,
04:10
they said, "Hey, everything's fine."
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ "๋ญ, ๋‹ค ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
04:12
I was like, "I know. That's what I've been trying to tell you guys all along.
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"๋‚˜๋„ ์•Œ์•„. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ๊ณ„์† ๋งํ•ด์™”๋˜ ๊ฑฐ์ž–์•„์š”."
04:14
I know everything's fine."
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์ œ๊ฒ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊น์š”."
04:16
So they're looking at me really odd.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ ˆ ์ด์ƒํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ณ๋‹ค๋ณด๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
04:19
And it's like, "Guys, I travel a lot."
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"์ด๋ด์š”, ์ „ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "
04:21
This is with the FBI.
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FBIํ•œํ…Œ ํ•œ ๋ง๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:23
And I was like, "All we need is Alaska not to get the last memo,
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฑด [์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด] ์•Œ๋ž˜์Šค์นด ๊ณตํ•ญ์ด [์ €์— ๊ด€ํ•œ]
04:25
and here we go all over again."
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์—ฐ๋ฝ์„ ๋ชป ๋ฐ›์•„์„œ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋˜๋‹ค์‹œ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
04:27
And there was a sincere concern there.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ ์ง„์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ์ด ์ผ์ด ๋˜ ์ผ์–ด๋‚ ๊นŒ ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ–ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:29
And he was like, "You know, if you get into trouble,
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๊ทธ๋Š” "๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ง„์งœ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ธด๋‹ค๋ฉด,
04:31
give us a call -- we'll take care of it."
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์ €ํฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ™”ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์•Œ์•„์„œ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•˜์ง€์š”."
04:33
So ever since then, before I would go anywhere, I would call the FBI.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ์ดํ›„๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ด, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋”œ ๊ฐ€๋˜ ์ „ ๋จผ์ € FBI์— ์—ฐ๋ฝํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:36
I would tell them, "Hey guys, this is where I'm going. This is my flight.
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์ „ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ณณ์€ ์–ด๋””๊ณ  ํŽธ๋ช…์€ ๋ญ๋‹ค๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๊ณค ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
04:39
Northwest flight seven coming into Seattle
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"๋…ธ์Šค์›จ์ŠคํŠธ ํ•ญ๊ณต ํŽธ๋ช… 7,
04:42
on March 12th" or whatever.
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3์›” 12์ผ ์‹œ์• ํ‹€ ์ฐฉ๋ฅ™" ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ์š”.
04:44
A couple weeks later, I'd call again, let them know.
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๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ํ›„์—” ๋‹ค์‹œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฑธ์–ด ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ๊ณค ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
04:46
It wasn't that I had to, but I chose to.
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์˜๋ฌด์‚ฌํ•ญ์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ์„ ํƒํ•œ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
04:49
Just wanted to say, "Hey guys.
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์ „ ๊ทธ์ € "์ด๋ด์š”, ํ˜น์‹œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ‘์ž‘์Šค๋ ˆ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์„
04:51
Don't want to make it look like I'm making any sudden moves."
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๊พธ๋ฏธ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์˜คํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”."๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์ฃ .
04:53
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
04:55
"I don't want you guys to think that I'm about to flee.
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"์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋”” ๋„๋ง๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ
04:58
Just letting you know. Heads up."
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ฏธ๋ฆฌ ์•Œ๋ ค ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
05:00
And so I just kept doing this over and over and over.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ „ ์ด์ผ ๊ณ„์† ๋˜ ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜ ํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:02
And then the phone calls turned into emails,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๊ณ 
05:04
and the emails got longer and longer and longer ...
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์€ ์ ์  ๊ธธ์–ด์ง€๋”๊ตฐ์š”...
05:06
with pictures,
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์‚ฌ์ง„์ด ์ฒจ๋ถ€๋˜๊ณ 
05:08
with travel tips.
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์—ฌํ–‰ ํŒ๋“ค์ด ๋”ํ•ด์ง€๊ณ 
05:10
Then I'd make websites.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณค ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:12
And then I built this over here. Let me go back to it over here.
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๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด์ชฝ์— ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์ฃ . ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋ณด๋„๋ก ํ•˜์ฃ .
05:14
So I actually designed this back in 2003.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ „ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ 2003๋…„์— ๋””์ž์ธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:17
So this kind of tracks me at any given moment.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฑด ์ €๋ฅผ ์–ด๋Š ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์—๋‚˜ ์ถ”์ ํ•˜์ฃ .
05:20
I wrote some code for my mobile phone.
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์ œ ํœด๋Œ€์ „ํ™”๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ฝ”๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:22
Basically, what I decided is okay guys, you want to watch me, that's cool.
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์ „ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ '๋‚  ๊ฐ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ญ ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„.
05:25
But I'll watch myself. It's okay.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ฐ์‹œ๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•˜์ง€'๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
05:27
You don't have to waste your energy or your resources.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์—๋„ˆ์ง€์™€ ์ž์›์„ ๋‚ญ๋น„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„๋„ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:29
And I'll help you out.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋„์™€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋„๋ก ํ•˜์ฃ .
05:32
So in the process, I start thinking, well what else might they know about me?
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ๊ณผ์ •์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ €์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๋” ์•Œ๊นŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:35
Well they probably have all my flight records,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์•„๋งˆ ์ œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋น„ํ–‰ ๊ธฐ๋ก์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์„ ํ…Œ๊ณ ,
05:37
so I decided to put all my flight records from birth online.
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ํ•ด์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚œ ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋น„ํ–‰ ๊ธฐ๋ก์„ ๋„ฃ๊ธฐ๋กœ ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
05:42
So you can see, Delta 1252
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ณด์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ๋ธํƒ€ ํŽธ๋ช… 1252
05:45
going from Kansas City to Atlanta.
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์บ”์‚ฌ์Šค ์‹œํ‹ฐ์—์„œ ์• ํ‹€๋žœํƒ€๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ์ฃ .
05:47
And then you see, these are some of the meals that I've been fed on the planes.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ณด์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ›์€ ๊ธฐ๋‚ด์‹๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:52
This was on Delta 719
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ธํƒ€ 719ํŽธ,
05:54
going from JFK to San Francisco.
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๋‰ด์š• JFK์—์„œ ์ƒŒํ”„๋ž€์‹œ์Šค์ฝ”๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ์˜€์ฃ .
05:58
See that? They won't let me on a plane with that,
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์ €๊ฒƒ์ด[ํ™”๋ฉด: ๋‚˜์ดํ”„] ๋ณด์ด๋‚˜์š”? ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ €๊ฑธ ์†Œ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ๋Š”
06:01
but they'll give it to me on the plane.
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๋ชป ํƒ€๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ €๊ฑธ ์ œ๊ฒŒ ์ฃผ๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
06:03
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
06:05
These are the airports that I hang out in,
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์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ”๋˜ ๊ณตํ•ญ ์‚ฌ์ง„๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:07
because I like airports.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ณตํ•ญ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
06:09
That's Kennedy airport, May 19th, Tuesday.
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์ €๊ฑด 5์›” 19์ผ ํ™”์š”์ผ ์ผ€๋„ค๋”” ๊ณตํ•ญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:12
This is in Warsaw.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฐ”๋ฅด์ƒค๋ฐ”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:15
Singapore. You can see, they're kind of empty.
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์‹ฑ๊ฐ€ํฌ๋ฅด. ๋ณด์ด์‹œ์ฃ . ํ…… ๋น„์–ด์žˆ์ฃ .
06:18
These images are shot really anonymously
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์ด ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๋“ค์€ ์ •๋ง ํŠน์ƒ‰ ์—†์ด ์ฐํ˜”์ฃ .
06:20
to the point where it could be anyone.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋“  ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ์ •๋„๋กœ์š”.
06:22
But if you can cross-reference this with the other data,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ด๋ฅผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ž๋ฃŒ์™€ ๋Œ€์กฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด
06:25
then you're basically replaying the roll of the FBI agent
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ FBI ์š”์›์˜ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:27
and putting it all together.
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๋ชจ๋“  ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‘๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
06:29
And when you're in a situation
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‹น์‹  ์กด์žฌ์˜ ๋งค ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„
06:31
where you have to justify every moment of your existence,
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์ •๋‹นํ™”ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด ๋˜๋ฉด ํ‰์†Œ์™€๋Š”
06:33
you're put in the situation where you react in a very different manner.
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๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํƒœ๋„๋กœ ๋ฐ˜์‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ๋†“์ธ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:36
At the time that this was going on,
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๋˜ ๋‹น์‹œ์—๋Š”,
06:38
the last thing on my mind was "art project."
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'์ž‘ํ’ˆ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ'๋Š” ์ œ ๋ง˜์†์— ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:41
I was certainly not thinking, hey, I got new work here.
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๋ถ„๋ช… '์ด๋ด, ์ด๊ฑฐ ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์ž‘์—…์ด ๋˜๊ฒ ๊ตฐ.'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์ฃ .
06:44
But after going through this, after realizing, well what just happened?
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด ์ผ์„ ๊ฒช์€ ํ›„์—, ๋Œ€์ฒด ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋˜ ๊ฑด์ง€ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์€ ๋‹ค์Œ์—์•ผ
06:47
And after piecing together this, this and this,
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์ด ์กฐ๊ฐ๊ณผ ์ € ์กฐ๊ฐ๋“ค์„ ๋งž์ถ”๋ฉด์„œ
06:49
this way of actually trying to figure out what happened for myself
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€์ฒด ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๋ ค๋Š” ๊ณผ์ •์—
06:52
eventually evolved into this,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐœ์ „๋œ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
06:54
and it actually became this project.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:57
So these are the stores that I shop in -- some of them --
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์ƒ€๋˜ ์ƒ์ ๋“ค์ด๊ณ ์š”. ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€์ฃ .
06:59
because they need to know.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์•Œ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
07:01
This is me buying some duck flavored paste
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ค๋ฆฌ ๋ง› ํŒŒ์Šคํƒ€๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ณ ์š”.
07:03
at the Ranch 99 in Daly City
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๋Œˆ๋ฆฌ ์‹œํ‹ฐ์— ์žˆ๋Š” '๋ชฉ์žฅ99'์—์„œ
07:05
on Sunday, November 15th.
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11์›” 15์ผ ์ผ์š”์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:07
At Coreana Supermarket
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์ฝ”๋ฆฌ์•„๋‚˜ ์Šˆํผ๋งˆ์ผ“์—์„œ
07:09
buying my kimchi because I like kimchi.
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๊น€์น˜ ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ณ ์š”. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊น€์น˜๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
07:11
And I bought some crabs too right around there,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์ฃผ์œ„์—์„œ ๊ฒŒ ๋“ฑ๋“ฑ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ๋” ์ƒ€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:14
and some chitlins at the Safeway in Emoryville.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณค ์—๋ชจ๋ฆฌ๋นŒ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ธ์ดํ”„์›จ์ด ๋งˆํŠธ์—์„œ ๋ผ์ง€ ๊ณฑ์ฐฝ๋„ ์ƒ€๊ณ ์š”.
07:17
And laundry too. Laundry detergent at West Oakland --
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์„ธํƒ๋„์š”. ์›จ์ŠคํŠธ ์˜คํด๋žœ๋“œ์—์„œ ์„ธํƒ ์„ธ์ œ -
07:19
East Oakland, sorry.
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์•„, ์ฃ„์†กํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ŠคํŠธ ์˜คํด๋žœ๋“œ๊ตฐ์š”.
07:21
And then my pickled jellyfish
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ ˆ์ธ ํ•ดํŒŒ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ
07:23
at the Hong Kong Supermarket on Route 18 in East Brunswick.
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์ด์ŠคํŠธ ๋ธŒ๋Ÿฐ์ฆˆ์œ… ๊ตญ๋„ 18๋ฒˆ์˜ ํ™์ฝฉ ์Šˆํผ๋งˆ์ผ“์—์„œ ์‚ฐ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:26
Now if you go to my bank records,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ œ ์€ํ–‰ ๊ธฐ๋ก ์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ž๋ฉด,
07:28
it'll actually show something from there,
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ, ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ณด์—ฌ ์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:30
so you know that, on May 9th,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ 5์›” 9์ผ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐœ๋ ˆํ˜ธ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ธ์ดํ”„์›จ์ด์—์„œ
07:32
that I bought $14.79 in fuel from Safeway Vallejo.
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$14.79 ์–ด์น˜ ์—ฐ๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์‚ฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
07:35
So not only that I'm giving this information here and there,
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ํ•˜์—ฌ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์ €๊ธฐ ์ œ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•  ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
07:39
but now there's a third party,
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์ด ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์—” ์ œ์‚ผ์ž๊นŒ์ง€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
07:41
an independent third party, my bank,
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์ œ ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜ ์€ํ–‰์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์— ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—
07:44
that's verifying that, yes indeed, I was there at this time.
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์žˆ์—ˆ์Œ์„ ์ฆ๋ช…ํ•ด์ฃผ๋Š” ๋…๋ฆฝ์ ์ธ ์ œ์‚ผ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
07:46
So there's points, and these points are actually being cross-referenced.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋–ค ์‹œ์ ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ด ์‹œ์ ์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ž๋ฃŒ์— ์˜ํ•ด ์ฐธ์กฐ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด
07:49
And there's a verification taking place.
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๊ฒ€์ฆ์ด ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:51
Sometimes they're really small purchases.
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๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์†Œ์•ก ๊ฒฐ์ œ์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ตฌ์š”.
07:53
So 34 cents foreign transaction fee.
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34์„ผํŠธ์˜ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜ ์ˆ˜์ˆ˜๋ฃŒ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์š”.
07:55
All of these are extracted directly from my bank accounts,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ œ ์€ํ–‰ ๊ณ„์ขŒ์—์„œ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ธ์ถœ๋˜์—ˆ์ฃ .
07:58
and everything pops up right away.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฑด ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๋˜์ฃ .
08:00
Sometimes there's a lot of information.
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋งŽ์€ ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:02
This is exactly where my old apartment in San Francisco was.
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์ด๊ณณ์€ ์ƒŒํ”„๋ž€์‹œ์Šค์ฝ”์— ์ œ ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ์•„ํŒŒํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋˜ ์ •ํ™•ํ•œ ์œ„์น˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:06
And then sometimes you get this.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ณ ,
08:08
Sometimes you just get this, just an empty hallway in Salt Lake City,
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๊ฐ€๋”์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋˜์ฃ . ์†”ํŠธ๋ ˆ์ดํฌ์‹œํ‹ฐ์˜ ์–ด๋Š ๋นˆ๋ฐฉ์ด์ฃ .
08:10
January 22nd.
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1์›” 22์ผ.
08:12
And I can tell you exactly who I was with, where I was,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ์–ด๋””์— ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์™€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ์•Œ๋ ค ๋“œ๋ฆด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
08:14
because this is what I had to do with the FBI.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ FBI์™€ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ผ๋“ค์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:16
I had to tell them every little detail of everything.
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์ „ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ €์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์˜ ์„ธ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌํ•ญ์„ ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
08:18
I spend a lot of time on the road.
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์ €๋Š” ๋„๋กœ์—์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:20
This is a parking lot in Elko, Nevada
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๋„ค๋ฐ”๋‹ค์ฃผ ์—˜์ฝ”์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์–ด๋Š ์ฃผ์ฐจ์žฅ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:22
off of Route 80
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๊ตญ๋„ 80๋ฒˆ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์™€์„œ
08:24
at 8:01 p.m. on August 19th.
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8์›” 19์ผ ๋‚  ์˜คํ›„ 8์‹œ 1๋ถ„์ด์—ˆ๊ตฐ์š”.
08:26
I spend a lot of time in gas stations too -- empty train stations.
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์ €๋Š” ์ฃผ์œ ์†Œ์—์„œ๋„ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋‚ด๊ณ , ๋นˆ ๊ธฐ์ฐจ์—ญ์—์„œ๋„ ๋ณด๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:29
So there's multiple databases.
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์ €๊ธฐ์—” ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฒ ์ด์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ฃ .
08:31
And there's thousands and thousands and thousands of images.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ˆ˜์ฒœ, ์ˆ˜๋งŒ ์žฅ์˜ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:34
There's actually 46,000 images right now on my site,
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์ œ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ์—์„œ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ 4๋งŒ 6์ฒœ ์žฅ์˜ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:37
and the FBI has seen all of them --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  FBI๋Š” ์ด๋ฅผ ์ „๋ถ€ ๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:40
at least I trust they've seen all of them.
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์ ์–ด๋„ ์ „ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ดค์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:43
And then sometimes you don't get much information at all,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋”์€ ๋งŽ์€ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์–ป์ง€ ๋ชปํ•  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:46
you just get this empty bed.
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๊ทธ์ € ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋นˆ ์นจ๋Œ€๋งŒ์ด ๋ณด์ผ ๋ฟ์ด์ฃ .
08:48
And sometimes you get a lot of text information and no visual information.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ์–ป๋Š” ๋Œ€์‹  ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ์˜ˆ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:51
So you get something like this.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑธ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
08:53
This, by the way, is the location of my favorite sandwich shop in California --
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๊ทธ๋‚˜์ €๋‚˜ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์บ˜๋ฆฌํฌ๋‹ˆ์•„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒŒ๋“œ์œ„์น˜ ๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ์˜ ์œ„์น˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:55
Vietnamese sandwich.
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๋ฒ ํŠธ๋‚จ์‹ ์ƒŒ๋“œ์œ„์น˜๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ์ฃ .
08:57
So there's different categorizations
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ–์—์„œ ๋จน์€ ์‹์‚ฌ๋“ค์—
08:59
of meals eaten outside
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๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ถ„๋ฅ˜๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:01
empty train stations, empty gas stations.
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๋นˆ ๊ธฐ์ฐจ์—ญ, ๋น„์–ด์žˆ๋Š” ์ฃผ์œ ์†Œ.
09:04
These are some of the meals that I've been cooking at home.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง‘์—์„œ ์š”๋ฆฌํ•ด์„œ ๋จน์€ ์‹์‚ฌ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:06
So how do you know these are meals eaten at home?
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง‘์—์„œ ๋จน์€ ์‹์‚ฌ์ž„์„ ์•Œ๊นŒ์š”?
09:08
Well the same plate shows up a whole bunch of times.
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๋ญ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ์ ‘์‹œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋ฒˆ ์ž์ฃผ ๋‚˜์˜ค์ฃ .
09:11
So again, you have to do some detective work here.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ํƒ์ •์˜ ์ผ์„ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:14
So sometimes the databases get so specific.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ๋ฒ ์ด์Šค ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์ด ๋˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:17
These are all tacos eaten in Mexico City
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์ด๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๋ฉ•์‹œ์ฝ” ์‹œํ‹ฐ์— ๋จน์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ํƒ€์ฝ”๊ณ ์š”.
09:19
near a train station
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๊ธฐ์ฐจ์—ญ ๊ทผ์ฒ˜์—์„œ
09:21
on July fifth to July sixth.
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7์›” 5์ผ๊ณผ 6์ผ ๋‚ ์ด๊ตฐ์š”.
09:24
At 11:39 a.m. was this one.
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์ด๊ฑด ์˜ค์ „ 11์‹œ 39๋ถ„์—
09:26
At 1:56 p.m. was this one. At 4:59 p.m. was this one.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜คํ›„ 1์‹œ 56๋ถ„์— ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฑด ์˜คํ›„ 4์‹œ 59๋ถ„์— ๋จน์—ˆ๋„ค์š”.
09:29
So I time-stamp my life every few moments.
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์ œ ์ธ์ƒ ๋ชจ๋“  ์–ด๋–ค ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ธฐ๋กํ•˜๋Š” ์…ˆ์ด์ฃ .
09:32
Every few moments I shoot the image.
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ณ„๊ธฐ๋งˆ๋‹ค ์ „ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:34
Now it's all done on my iPhone,
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ ์•„์ดํฐ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€์ฃ .
09:36
and it all goes straight up to my server,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ ์„œ๋ฒ„๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ „์†ก๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:38
and my server does all the backend work
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์„œ๋ฒ„๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ํ›„์ฒ˜๋ฆฌ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•˜์ฃ .
09:40
and categorizes things and puts everything together.
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์•Œ์•„์„œ ๋ถ„๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ €์žฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:43
They need to know where I'm doing my business,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋””์„œ ์ผ์„ ๋ณด๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:45
because they want to know about my business.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ œ ์ผ์— ๊ด€ํ•ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•ด์„œ ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
09:48
So on December 4th, I went here.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 12์›” 4์ผ์— ์ „ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:51
And on Sunday, June 14th at 2009 --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  2009๋…„ 6์›” 14์ผ ์ผ์š”์ผ์—๋Š”
09:54
this was actually about two o'clock in the afternoon
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์˜คํ›„ 2์‹œ ์ •๋„์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ,
09:56
in Skowhegan, Maine -- this was my apartment there.
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์—ฌ๊ธด ๋ฉ”์ธ์ฃผ์˜ ์Šค์ฝ”ํžˆ๊ฐ„์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ œ ์•„ํŒŒํŠธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:58
So what you're basically seeing here
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ณด์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ
10:01
is all bits and pieces and all this information.
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์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์ •๋ณด์˜ ํŒŒํŽธ๋“ค๊ณผ ์กฐ๊ฐ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:03
If you go to my site, there's tons of things.
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์ œ ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์‹œ๋ฉด ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์—” ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์–‘์˜ ์ž๋ฃŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์ฃ .
10:06
And really, it's not the most user-friendly interface.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ง„์งœ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ์นœํ™”์ ์ธ ์ธํ„ฐํŽ˜์ด์Šค๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:09
It's actually quite user-unfriendly.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ๋น„์นœํ™”์ ์ด์ฃ .
10:13
And one of the reasons, also being part of the user-unfriendliness,
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉ์ž ๋น„์นœํ™”์ ์ธ ์ด์œ  ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
10:15
is that everything is there,
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:17
but you have to really work through it.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ข€ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
10:19
So by me putting all this information out there,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์™ธ๋ถ€์— ๊ณต๊ฐœํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ
10:23
what I'm basically telling you is I'm telling you everything.
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์ „ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ƒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:26
But in this barrage of noise
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ฌ๋ ค๋†“๋Š”
10:28
that I'm putting out,
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์ด ์žก์Œ์˜ ๊ณต์„ธ ์†์—์„œ
10:30
I actually live an incredibly anonymous and private life.
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์ „ ์‚ฌ์‹ค ๋†€๋ž๋„๋ก ์ต๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ์ ์ธ ์ƒํ™œ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:34
And you know very little about me actually.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ €์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์•Œ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:38
And really so I've come to the conclusion
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ •๋ง ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋„๋‹ฌํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์€
10:41
that the way you protect your privacy,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ๊ฐœ์ธ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€
10:43
particularly in an era where everything is cataloged
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ํŠนํžˆ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉ๋กํ™”๋˜๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด
10:45
and everything is archived and everything is recorded,
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๊ธฐ๋ก๋˜์–ด ์ €์žฅ๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ๋Œ€์—๋Š”
10:47
there's no need to delete information anymore.
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๋”๋Š” ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์‚ญ์ œํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:50
So what do you do when everything is out there?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์™ธ๋ถ€์— ๊ณต๊ฐœ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฌด์–ผ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
10:53
Well you have to take control over it.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ํ†ต์ œํ•ด์•ผ๊ฒ ์ง€์š”.
10:55
And if I give you this information directly,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง์ ‘ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ด ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ค€๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:58
it's a very different type of identity
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„์ฃผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ˜•ํƒœ์˜ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์ผ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:01
than if you were to try to go through and try to get bits and pieces.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ง์ ‘ ์ด ์ •๋ณด๋“ค์„ ์–ป์–ด์„œ ํŒŒํ—ค์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ˜•ํƒœ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:04
The other thing that's also interesting that's going on here
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ ์€
11:07
is the fact that intelligence agencies --
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์ •๋ณด๊ธฐ๊ด€์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด
11:09
and it doesn't matter who they are --
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:12
they all operate in an industry
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ •๋ณด ๋˜๋Š”
11:14
where their commodity is information,
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์ •๋ณด์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ œํ•œ๋œ ์ ‘์†์ด
11:16
or restricted access to information.
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์ƒํ’ˆ์ธ ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
11:18
And the reason their information has any value
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ •๋ณด๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋– ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
11:21
is, well, because no one else has access to it.
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์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ ‘์† ๊ถŒํ•œ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:24
And by me cutting out the middle man
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ค‘๊ฐœ์ธ ์—ญํ• ์„ ์ž˜๋ผ๋ฒ„๋ฆผ์œผ๋กœ์จ
11:26
and giving it straight to you,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ง์ ‘ ์ „ํ•ด์คŒ์œผ๋กœ์จ
11:29
the information that the FBI has has no value,
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FBI๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ •๋ณด๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์ ธ ๋ฒ„๋ ธ์ฃ .
11:32
so thus devaluing their currency.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ์œผ๋กœ์จ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํ†ตํ™” ๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ๋–จ์–ด๋œจ๋ฆฐ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
11:35
And I understand that, on an individual level,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ ๊ฐœ์ธ์˜ ์ฐจ์›์—์„œ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด
11:37
it's purely symbolic.
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์ˆœ์ „ํžˆ ์ƒ์ง•์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑธ ์ดํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:39
But if 300 million people in the U.S.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์˜ 3์–ต ๋ช…์ด
11:41
started doing this,
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์ด๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
11:43
we would have to redesign the entire intelligence system
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ •๋ณด๊ธฐ๊ด€ ์ž์ฒด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ‘๋ฐ”ํƒ•๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
11:45
from the ground up.
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์žฌ์„ค๊ณ„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:47
Because it just wouldn't work if everybody was sharing everything.
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์„œ๋กœ๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋ฉด ์˜ˆ์ „ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ํ†ตํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
11:50
And we're getting to that.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ•ด๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:52
When I first started this project,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์ด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋Š”,
11:54
people were looking at me and saying,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ €๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ 
11:56
"Why would you want to tell everybody what you're doing, where you're at?
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"์™œ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ด๋””์— ๋ฌด์–ผ ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๋‘์—๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ฆฌ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์ฃ ?
11:59
Why are you posting these photos?"
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์™œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ์ง„๋“ค์„ ์˜ฌ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌป๋”๊ตฐ์š”.
12:01
This was an age before people were Tweeting everywhere
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์ด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋””์„œ๋‚˜ ํŠธ์œ„ํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ด์ „์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:05
and 750 million people
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  7์–ต 5์ฒœ๋งŒ์˜ ์ธ๊ตฌ๊ฐ€
12:08
were posting status messages
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ํ˜„์žฌ ์ƒํƒœ๋ฅผ ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
12:10
or poking people.
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๋˜๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ์—๊ฒŒ ํฌํ‚นํ•˜๊ณ  [์—ญ: ํŽ˜์ด์Šค๋ถ์˜ ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋Šฅ.]
12:12
So in a way, I'm glad that I'm completely obsolete.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ํ•œ ํŽธ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์™„์ „ ๊ตฌ์‹์ด ๋˜์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฐ ๊ฒŒ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:15
I'm still doing this project, but it is obsolete,
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์ „ ์•„์ง๋„ ์ด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์ด์   ์“ธ๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ์—†์ฃ .
12:18
because you're all doing it.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋ชจ๋‘๋„ ์ด๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊น์š”.
12:20
This is something that we all are doing on a daily basis,
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ธ์ง€ํ•˜๋“  ๋ชปํ•˜๋“  ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด
12:22
whether we're aware of it or not.
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์ด์ œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ƒ์ด ๋˜์–ด๋ฒ„๋ ธ์ฃ .
12:24
So we're creating our own archives and so on.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์ž์‹ ๋งŒ์˜ ๊ธฐ๋ก ๋ณด๊ด€์†Œ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:27
And you know, some of my friends have always said,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€, ์ œ ์นœ๊ตฌ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด
12:30
"Hey, you're just paranoid. Why are you doing this?
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"์•ผ, ๋„Œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํŽธ์ง‘์ฆ์ ์ด์•ผ. ์™œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑธ ํ•ด?
12:32
Because no one's really watching.
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์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๋„ ๊ฐ์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์—†๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊นŒ.
12:34
No one's really going to bother you."
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์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๋„ ์ง„์งœ๋กœ ๊ท€์ฐฎ๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์•Š์„ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ."
12:36
So one of the things that I do
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
12:38
is I actually look through my server logs very carefully.
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์ œ ์„œ๋ฒ„์˜ ๋กœ๊ทธ๋ฅผ[์—ญ: ์ ‘์† ๊ธฐ๋ก ํŒŒ์ผ] ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ ์ค‘ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ›‘์–ด๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:40
Because it's about surveillance.
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๊ฐโ€‹โ€‹์‹œ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:42
I'm watching who's watching me.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€ ์ €๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์‹œํ•˜๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
12:45
And I came up with these.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚˜์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:47
So these are some of my sample logs.
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์ด๋Š” ์ €์˜ ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ๋กœ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:49
And just little bits and pieces, and you can see some of the things there.
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ํŒŒํŽธ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:52
And I cleaned up the list a little bit so you can see.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ชฉ๋ก์„ ์ข€ ์ •๋ฆฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:55
So you can see that the Homeland Security likes to come by --
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด์•ˆํŒ€์ด ์ž์ฃผ ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
12:58
Department of Homeland Security.
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๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๊ตญํ† ์•ˆ๋ณด๋ถ€์ฃ .
13:00
You can see the National Security Agency likes to come by.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€ ์•ˆ์ „๊ตญ์ด ๋˜ ์ž์ฃผ ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:02
I actually moved very close to them. I live right down the street from them now.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ์ „ ๊ทธ๋“ค ์•„์ฃผ ๊ทผ์ฒ˜๋กœ ์ด์‚ฌ ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ทธ๋“ค ๋งž์€ ํŽธ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์ฃ .
13:06
Central Intelligence Agency.
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์ค‘์•™ ์ •๋ณด๊ตญ.
13:08
Executive Office of the President.
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๋Œ€ํ†ต๋ น์˜ ํ–‰์ •๋ถ€.
13:12
Not really sure why they show up, but they do.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์™œ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ฌ๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ, ํ•˜์—ฌํŠผ ์™”์—ˆ๊ณ ์š”.
13:15
I think they kind of like to look at art.
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์ „ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค๋งŒ.
13:17
And I'm glad that we have patrons of the arts in these fields.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์— ํ›„์›์ž๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:21
So thank you very much. I appreciate it.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:23
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
13:33
Bruno Giussani: Hasan, just curious.
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Bruno Giussani: ํ•˜์‚ฐ, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ถ๊ธˆํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋Š”๋ฐ,
13:35
You said, "Now everything automatically goes from my iPhone,"
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ "์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„์ดํฐ์—์„œ ์ž๋™์œผ๋กœ ์ „์†ก๋œ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
13:38
but actually you do take the pictures and put on information.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ง์ ‘ ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ์ฐ๊ณ  ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ž…๋ ฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ.
13:40
So how many hours of the day does that take?
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ํ•˜๋ฃจ ๋ช‡ ์‹œ๊ฐ„ ์ •๋„๊ฐ€ ๊ฑธ๋ฆฌ๋‚˜์š”?
13:43
HE: Almost none.
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HE: ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:45
It's no different
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌธ์ž ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
13:47
than sending a text.
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์ „ํ˜€ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:49
It's no different than checking an email.
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์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋ณ„๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ง€ ์•Š์ฃ .
13:52
It's one of those things, we got by just fine before we had to do any of those.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์จ์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ด์ „์— ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์ง„ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ฃ .
13:54
So it's just become another day.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ผ์ƒ์ด ๋˜์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฐ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
13:56
I mean, when we update a status message,
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์ œ ๋ง์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์žฌ ์Šคํ…Œ์ดํ„ฐ์Šค๋ฅผ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธํ•  ๋•Œ,
13:58
we don't really think about how long that's going to take.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๊ฑธ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:01
So it's really just a matter of my phone clicking a couple of clicks,
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ํ•ด์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํœด๋Œ€ํฐ์„ ๋ช‡ ๋ฒˆ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋Š” ์ •๋„์˜ ์ผ์ด ๋ผ๋ฒ„๋ฆฐ ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
14:03
send, and then it's done.
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์ „์†ก์„ ๋ˆ„๋ฅด๋ฉด, ๋๋‚œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:05
And everything's automated at the other end.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐ›๋Š” ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์—์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž๋™์œผ๋กœ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌ๋˜์ฃ .
14:07
BG: On the day you are in a place where there is no coverage, the FBI gets crazy?
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BG: ๋‹น์‹ ์œผ๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ์—…๋ฐ์ดํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ๋‚ ์—๋Š” FBI ์š”์›๋“ค์ด ๋ฏธ์น˜๋˜๊ฐ€์š”?
14:10
HE: Well it goes to the last point that I was at.
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HE: ์Œ... ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋˜ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์ง€์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:12
So it holds onto the very last point.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ธฐ๋ก๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
14:14
So if I'm on a 12-hour flight,
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ํ•˜์—ฌ ์ œ๊ฐ€ 12์‹œ๊ฐ„ ๋น„ํ–‰์„ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
14:16
you'll see the last airport that I departed from.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์— ์ด๋ฅ™ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ณตํ•ญ์„ ํ™•์ธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:19
BG: Hasan, thank you very much. (HE: Thank you.)
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BG: ํ•˜์‚ฐ, ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. (HE: ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.)
14:22
(Applause)
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