Aaron Huey: America's native prisoners of war

Translator: Nika Kotnik Reviewer: Metka Hercog

Danes sem tu, da vam pokažem fotografije plemena Lakota.

I'm here today to show my photographs of the Lakota.

Many of you may have heard of the Lakota,

Morda ste že slišali za Lakoto,

or at least the larger group of tribes,

ali vsaj za večjo skupino plemen,

called the Sioux.

imenovano Sioux.

The Lakota are one of many tribes that were moved off their land

Lakota so eno izmed mnogih plemen, pregnanih z njihove zemlje

kot zaporniki v vojna taborišča,

to prisoner-of-war camps,

now called reservations.

zdaj imenovana rezervati.

The Pine Ridge Reservation,

Rezervat Pine Ridge,

the subject of today's slide show,

tema današnje predstavitve,

stoji približno 120 kilometrov jugovzhodno

is located about 75 miles southeast of the Black Hills in South Dakota.

od Črnih hribov v Južni Dakoti.

Včasih mu pravijo tudi

It is sometimes referred to as Prisoner of War Camp Number 334,

Taborišče vojnih ujetnikov številka 334,

in tu sedaj živijo Lakota.

and it is where the Lakota now live.

Now, if any of you have ever heard of AIM,

Če je kdo od vas že slišal za AIM

the American Indian Movement,

gibanje ameriških Indijancev,

or of Russell Means,

ali za Russell Meansa,

or Leonard Peltier,

ali za Leonard Peltier-ja,

or of the standoff at Oglala,

ali za obračun pri Oglali,

then you know Pine Ridge is ground zero for Native issues in the US.

potem veste, da je Pine Ridge točka nič

za probleme staroslecev ZDA.

So I've been asked to talk a little bit today

Prosili so me, naj danes nekaj povem

about my relationship with the Lakota,

o mojem odnosu z Lakoto,

and that's a very difficult one for me,

in to je zame zelo težko.

because, if you haven't noticed from my skin color,

Ker, če niste opazili barve moje kože,

bel sem,

I'm white,

and that is a huge barrier on a Native reservation.

in to je velika ovira v rezervatih.

You'll see a lot of people in my photographs today.

Videli boste veliko ljudi na fotografijah,

I've become very close with them, and they've welcomed me like family.

z njimi smo se zelo zbližali, sprejeli so me kot del družine.

Kličejo me "brat" in "stric"

They've called me "brother" and "uncle,"

in v petih letih so me povabili znova in znova.

and invited me again and again over five years.

Ampak na Pine Ridge-u,

But on Pine Ridge,

I will always be what is called "wasichu."

bom vedno to, čemur pravijo "wasichu,"

"Wasichu" is a Lakota word

in "wasichu" je beseda Lakote

that means "non-Indian,"

ki pomeni "ne-Indijanec,"

but another version of this word

ampak druga verzija te besede

pomeni "tisti, ki zase vzame najboljše meso."

means "the one who takes the best meat for himself."

And that's what I want to focus on --

In na to bi se rad osredotočil--

the one who takes the best part of the meat.

tisti, ki vzame najboljši del mesa.

Pomeni pohlepen.

It means "greedy."

So take a look around this auditorium today.

Poglejte po avditoriju.

Smo na privatni šoli ameriškega zahoda,

We are at a private school in the American West,

sedimo na žametnih rdečih stolih,

sitting in red velvet chairs

with money in our pockets.

z denarjem v žepu.

And if we look at our lives,

In če pogledamo naša življenja,

we have indeed taken the best part of the meat.

smo zares vzeli

najboljši del mesa.

So let's look today at a set of photographs

Poglejmo si zbirko fotografij

of a people who lost

ljudi, ki so izgubili,

so that we could gain,

da smo mi lahko pridobili,

and know that when you see these people's faces,

in vedite, da ko vidite obraze teh ljudi,

that these are not just images of the Lakota;

da to niso samo slike Lakote;

they stand for all indigenous people.

predstavljajo vse staroselce.

On this piece of paper

Na tem papirju

is the history the way I learned it from my Lakota friends and family.

je zgodovina, kot sem se je naučil

od mojih Lakota prijateljev in družine.

The following is a time line of treaties made, treaties broken

To je časovnica

sklenjenih sporazumov, prekršenih sporazumov

and massacres disguised as battles.

in masakrov, zamaskiranih v boje.

I'll begin in 1824.

Začel bom v letu 1824.

Kar je znano kot Urad za indijanske zadeve,

What is known as the Bureau of Indian Affairs

je bilo ustanovljeno znotraj Vojnega oddelka,

was created within the War Department,

in s tem zastavilo zgodnji agresivni ton

setting an early tone of aggression

in our dealings with the Native Americans.

naših ravnanj z ameriškimi staroselci.

1851:

1851:

The first treaty of Fort Laramie was made,

Sklenjen je prvi sporazum pri Fort Laramie,

clearly marking the boundaries of the Lakota Nation.

ki jasno označuje meje naroda Lakota.

Glede na sporazum,

According to the treaty, those lands are a sovereign nation.

je bila to samostojna država.

If the boundaries of this treaty had held --

Če bi se držali mej v tem sporazumu--

and there is a legal basis that they should --

in obstaja pravna podlaga, zaradi katere bi se morali--

then this is what the US would look like today.

bi ZDA danes izgledala takole.

10 let kasneje

Ten years later.

The Homestead Act, signed by President Lincoln,

je Zakon o dodelitvi zemlje, ki ga podpisal predsednik Lincoln,

unleashed a flood of white settlers into Native lands.

sprostil poplavo belih priseljencev v dežele staroselcev.

1863:

1863:

An uprising of Santee Sioux in Minnesota

Vstaja Santee Siouxov v Minnesoti

ends with the hanging of 38 Sioux men,

se konča z obešenjem 38 moških plemena Sioux,

the largest mass execution in US history.

največja množična usmrtitev v zgodovini ZDA.

The execution was ordered by President Lincoln,

Usmrtitev je naročil predsednik Lincoln

only two days after he signed the Emancipation Proclamation.

samo dva dni po tem,

ko je podpisal Proklamacijo o emancipaciji.

1866: The beginning of the Transcontinental Railroad --

1866: začetek gradnje transkontinentalne železnice --

novo obdobje.

a new era.

Zemljo smo prilagodili potem in tirom,

We appropriated land for trails and trains

po bližnjici skozi srce ozemlja Lakote.

to shortcut through the heart of the Lakota Nation.

The treaties were out the window.

Za sporazume nam ni bilo več mar.

In response, three tribes led by the Lakota chief Red Cloud

Zato so tri plemena, ki jih je vodil poglavar Rdeči oblak,

attacked and defeated the US army,

napadla in mnogokrat premagala vojsko ZDA.

many times over.

I want to repeat that part:

Naj ponovim.

The Lakota defeat the US army.

Lakota so premagali vojsko ZDA.

1868: drugi sporazum pri Fort Laramie

1868: The second Fort Laramie Treaty clearly guarantees

jasno zagotavlja samostojnost velikega Sioux naroda

the sovereignty of the Great Sioux Nation

and the Lakotas' ownership of the sacred Black Hills.

in lastništvo Lakote nad svetimi Črnimi hribi.

Vlada obljublja zemljo in pravico do lova

The government also promises land and hunting rights

v sosednjih državah

in the surrounding states.

We promise that the Powder River country

Obljubimo, da bo dežela Powder River

od sedaj naprej zaprta za vse belce.

will henceforth be closed to all whites.

The treaty seemed to be a complete victory

Sporazum se je zdel kot popolna zmaga

for Red Cloud and the Sioux.

za Rdeči oblak in pleme Sioux.

In fact, this is the only war in American history

Pravzaprav, je to edina vojna v ameriški zgodovini,

kjer je vlada izpogajala mir

in which the government negotiated a peace

by conceding everything demanded by the enemy.

s priznanjem vseh sovražnikovih zahtev.

1869:

1869: The Transcontinental Railroad was completed.

Dokončali so transkontinentalno železnico.

It began carrying, among other things, large numbers of hunters,

Prinesla je, med drugim, veliko število lovcev,

ki so pričeli s pobijanjem bizonov za veleprodajo,

who began the wholesale killing of buffalo,

eliminating a source of food, clothing and shelter for the Sioux.

in s tem uničili vir hrane, obleke in zavetja za Siouxe.

1871:

1871:

The Indian Appropriation Act

Zakon o Indijanski prilastitvi

makes all Indians wards of the federal government.

naredi vse Indijance varovance vlade.

In addition, the military issued orders

Dodatno je vojska izdala ukaze

forbidding western Indians from leaving reservations.

prepovedi zapuščanja rezervatov za zahodne Indijance.

All western Indians at that point in time were now prisoners of war.

Vsi zahodni indijanci v tem času

so bili zdaj vojni ujetniki.

Prav tako leta 1871:

Also in 1871,

we ended the time of treaty-making.

končal se je čas sklepanja sporazumov.

The problem with treaties is they allow tribes to exist as sovereign nations,

Problem sporazumov je, da dovoljujejo plemenom obstoj kot samostojni narod,

tega pa ne moremo imeti.

and we can't have that.

We had plans.

Imeli smo načrte.

1874:

1874:

General George Custer announced the discovery of gold in Lakota territory,

General George Custer je oznanil odkritje zlata na območju Lakote,

specifically the Black Hills.

bolj natančno v Črnih hribih.

The news of gold creates a massive influx of white settlers

Te novice so prinesle priliv belih priseljencev

na ozemlje Lakote.

into Lakota Nation.

Custer recommends that Congress find a way

Custer je predlagal kongresu, naj najde način,

da končajo sporazum z Lakoto,

to end the treaties with the Lakota as soon as possible.

kakor hitro je mogoče.

1875: The Lakota war begins

1875: Vojna z Lakoto se začne

over the violation of the Fort Laramie Treaty.

zaradi kršitve sporazuma pri Fort Laramie.

1876:

1876:

On July 26th,

26. julija,

on its way to attack a Lakota village,

na poti na napad na Lakotsko vas,

Custer's 7th Cavalry was crushed

je bila Custerjeva 7. konjenica premagana

at the battle of Little Big Horn.

pri bitki pri Malem Velikem rogu.

1877:

1877:

The great Lakota warrior and chief named Crazy Horse

Veliki Lakotski bojevnik in poglavar imenovan Nori konj

surrendered at Fort Robinson.

se je predal pri Utrdbi Robinson.

Kasneje je bil ubit v priporu.

He was later killed while in custody.

Leta 1877 smo prav tako našli način

1877 is also the year we found a way to get around the Fort Laramie Treaties.

da zaobidemo sporazume Fort Laramie.

A new agreement was presented to Sioux chiefs and their leading men,

Nov sporazum so predstavili poglavarjem Sioux in njihovim vodjem

pod kampanjo, znano kot "prodaj ali stradaj".

under a campaign known as "Sell or Starve" --

sign the paper, or no food for your tribe.

Podpišite papirje, ali pa ne bo hrane za vaše pleme.

Only 10 percent of the adult male population signed.

Samo 10 odstotkov moške populacije je podpisalo.

The Fort Laramie Treaty called for at least three-quarters of the tribe

Sporazum Fort Laramie

je zahteval vsaj tri četrine plemena

to sign away land.

za odpis zemlje.

That clause was obviously ignored.

Ta člen smo očitno ignorirali.

1887: The Dawes Act.

1887: Zakon Dawes.

Skupno lastništvo rezervatov se konča.

Communal ownership of reservation lands ends.

Reservations are cut up into 160-acre sections,

Rezervati so razkosani v 65 hektarjev velike kose

and distributed to individual Indians

in razdeljeni posameznim indijancem

with the surplus disposed of.

z odpisanim presežkom.

Tribes lost millions of acres.

Plemena so izgubila milijone hektarov.

The American dream of individual land ownership

Ameriške sanje o individualnem latništvu zemlje

turned out to be a very clever way

so se izkazale za premeten način

to divide the reservation until nothing was left.

razdelitve rezervatov, dokler ni ostalo nič.

Ta poteza je uničila rezervate,

The move destroyed the reservations,

omogočila je nadaljno razdelitev in prodajo

making it easier to further subdivide and to sell

z vsako naslednjo generacijo.

with every passing generation.

Most of the surplus land

Večina ostale zemlje

and many of the plots within reservation boundaries

in veliko parcel znotraj meja rezervata

are now in the hands of white ranchers.

so sedaj v rokah belih lastnikov rančov.

Once again, the fat of the land goes to wasichu.

Ponovno gre najboljši del zemlje wasichuju.

1890: A date I believe to be the most important in this slide show.

1890, datum, za katerega verjamem,

da je najpomembnejši v tej predstavitvi.

This is the year of the Wounded Knee Massacre.

To je leto pokola pri Ranjenem kolenu.

29. decembra

On December 29,

US troops surrounded a Sioux encampment at Wounded Knee Creek,

so vojaki ZDA obkolili tabor Sioux pri zalivu Ranjeno koleno.

in poklali poglavarja Big Foot-a

and massacred Chief Big Foot and 300 prisoners of war,

in 300 vojnih ujetnikov

z uporabo novega, hitro-strelnega orožja,

using a new rapid-fire weapon that fired exploding shells,

ki je streljalo granate,

called a Hotchkiss gun.

imenovanega top Hotchkiss.

For this so-called "battle,"

Za to, tako imenovano "bitko",

20 Congressional Medals of Honor for Valor

je bilo 20 kongresnih častnih Medalj za hrabrost

were given to the 7th Cavalry.

dodeljenih 7. konjenici.

To this day,

Do današnjega dne

je to največje število Častnih medalj,

this is the most Medals of Honor ever awarded for a single battle.

ki so bile kdajkoli podeljene za eno samo bitko.

More Medals of Honor were given

Več Častnih medalj je bilo podeljenih

for the indiscriminate slaughter of women and children

za pokol žensk in otrok,

than for any battle in World War One,

kot za katerokoli bitko v prvi svetovni vojni,

drugi svetovni vojni,

World War Two,

Korea, Vietnam,

Koreji, Vietnamu,

Iraku ali Afganistanu.

Iraq or Afghanistan.

Pokol pri Ranjenem kolenu

The Wounded Knee Massacre is considered the end of the Indian wars.

predstavlja konec vojn z Indijanci.

Kadarkoli obiščem mesto

Whenever I visit the site of the mass grave at Wounded Knee,

množičnega groba pri Ranjenem kolenu,

I see it not just as a grave for the Lakota or for the Sioux,

ga vidim ne samo kot grob

za Lakoto ali za Siouxe,

ampak kot grob za vse staroselce.

but as a grave for all indigenous peoples.

The holy man Black Elk, said,

Sveti mož, Črni los, je rekel,

"Takrat nisem vedel,

"I did not know then how much was ended.

kaj vse se je končalo.

When I look back now from this high hill of my old age,

Ko sedaj gledam nazaj,

na svoja stara leta,

I can still see the butchered women and children

lahko še vedno vidim poklane ženske in otroke,

kako ležijo na kupih in razsejani,

lying heaped and scattered all along the crooked gulch,

po vsej krivi soteski,

tako živo, kot sem jih videl

as plain as when I saw them

with eyes still young.

z mladimi očmi.

And I can see that something else died there in the bloody mud

In vidim, da je takrat v krvavem blatu umrlo še nekaj drugega

in je bilo pokopano v viharju:

and was buried in the blizzard.

A people's dream died there.

Sanje ljudi so umrle tam,

And it was a beautiful dream."

in te sanje so bile prelepe."

S tem dogodkom

With this event,

a new era in Native American history began.

se je začelo novo obdobje ameriških staroselcev.

Everything can be measured before Wounded Knee and after,

Vse se lahko meri

pred Ranjenim kolenom in po njem.

because it was in this moment,

Ker je v tistem trenutku,

with the fingers on the triggers of the Hotchkiss guns,

s prsti na sprožilcih Hotchkiss topov,

that the US government openly declared its position on Native rights.

vlada ZDA odkrito razglasila svoje stališče do pravic staroselcev.

Naveličani so bili sporazumov.

They were tired of treaties.

Naveličani so bili svetih hribov.

They were tired of sacred hills.

Naveličani so bili plesa duhov.

They were tired of ghost dances.

And they were tired of all the inconveniences of the Sioux.

In naveličani so bili vseh nevšečnosti s Siouxi.

Zato so ven privlekli topove.

So they brought out their cannons.

"You want to be an Indian now?" they said,

"Bi zdaj rad bil Indijanec?" so rekli,

finger on the trigger.

s prstom na sprožilcu.

1900:

1900:

the US Indian population reached its low point --

Populacija Ameriških Indijancev je dosegla najnižjo točko--

less than 250,000,

manj kot 250 000,

compared to an estimated eight million in 1492.

v primerjavi z osmimi milijoni

leta 1492.

Fast-forward.

Previjmo naprej.

1980:

1980:

The longest-running court case in US history,

O najdaljšem sodnem primeru v zgodovini ZDA,

narod Sioux proti ZDA,

the Sioux Nation versus the United States,

was ruled upon by the US Supreme Court.

je razsodilo Vrhovno sodišče ZDA.

The court determined that when the Sioux were resettled onto reservations

Sodišče je odločilo, da ko so Siouxe premestili v rezervate,

in je bilo sedem milijonov arov njihove zemlje

and seven million acres of their land were opened up

dostopne rudosledcem in naseljevalcem,

to prospectors and homesteaders,

the terms of the second Fort Laramie Treaty

so bili pogoji drugega

had been violated.

sporazuma pri Fort Laramie kršeni.

The court stated that the Black Hills were illegally taken,

Sodišče je razsodilo,

da so bili Črni hribi vzeti ilegalno

and that the initial offering price, plus interest,

in da mora biti prvotna cena z obrestmi

plačana narodu Sioux.

should be paid to the Sioux Nation.

Kot plačilo za Črne hribe

As payment for the Black Hills,

je sodišče dodelilo samo 106 milijonov dolarjev

the court awarded only 106 million dollars to the Sioux Nation.

narodu Sioux.

The Sioux refused the money with the rallying cry,

Siouxi so denar zavrnili z bojnim krikom:

"The Black Hills are not for sale."

"Črni hribi niso naprodaj."

2010:

2010:

Statistics about Native population today,

statistični podatki o staroselcih danes,

more than a century after the massacre at Wounded Knee,

več kot stoletje po pokolu pri Ranjenem Kolenu,

reveal the legacy of colonization,

odkrivajo zapuščino kolonizacije,

prisilne migracije

forced migration

and treaty violations.

in kršitve sporazmov.

Brezposelnost na rezervatu Pine Ridge

Unemployment on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation

fluctuates between 85 and 90 percent.

se giblje med 85 in 90 odstotki.

The housing office is unable to build new structures,

Urad za naselitve ne more zgraditi novih objektov

and existing structures are falling apart.

in že obstoječi objekti razpadajo.

Mnogi so brez domov,

Many are homeless,

and those with homes are packed into rotting buildings

in če imajo dom, so stlačeni v razpadajoče zgradbe,

tudi s po petimi družinami.

with up to five families.

Thirty-nine percent of homes on Pine Ridge

39 odstotkov domov na Pine Ridge-u

nima elektrike.

have no electricity.

At least 60 percent of the homes on the reservation

Vsaj 60 odstotkov domov na rezervatu

are infested with black mold.

ima črno plesen.

Več kot 90 odstotkov populacije

More than 90 percent of the population lives below the federal poverty line.

živo pod mejo revščine.

Pojavljanje tuberkuloze na Pine Ridgeu

The tuberculosis rate on Pine Ridge

is approximately eight times higher than the US national average.

je približno osemkrat višje kot povprečno v ZDA.

The infant mortality rate is the highest on this continent,

Umrljivost novorojenčkov

je najvišja na celini,

and is about three times higher than the US national average.

in je približno trikrat višja od povprečja v ZDA.

Cervical cancer is five times higher

Rak materničnega vratu je petkrat bolj pogost

than the US national average.

kot je povprečje v ZDA.

The school dropout rate is up to 70 percent.

70 odstotkov otrok šole ne dokonča.

Menjave učiteljev

Teacher turnover is eight times higher than the US national average.

so osemkrat bolj pogoste kot povprečno v ZDA.

Frequently, grandparents are raising their grandchildren

Pogosto stari starši vzgajajo svoje vnuke,

ker jih starši zaradi alkoholizma,

because parents, due to alcoholism,

domestic violence and general apathy,

nasilja v družini in vsesplošne apatije

niso zmožni vzgajati.

cannot raise them.

Fifty percent of the population over the age of 40

50 odstotkov populacije starejše od 40 let

suffers from diabetes.

ima sladkorno bolezen.

The life expectancy for men is between 46 and 48 years old --

Pričakovana življenjska doba za moške

je med 46

in 48 let--

roughly the same as in Afghanistan and Somalia.

približno enaka

kot v Afganistanu in Somaliji.

The last chapter in any successful genocide

Zadnje poglavje vsakega uspešnega genocida

is the one in which the oppressor

je tisto, ko zatiralec

can remove their hands and say,

lahko dvigne roke in reče,

"My god -- what are these people doing to themselves?

"Moj bog, kaj ti ljudje počnejo sami sebi?

Pobijajo drug drugega.

They're killing each other.

They're killing themselves

Ubijajo sebe,

while we watch them die."

medtem ko jih mi gledamo umirati."

This is how we came to own these United States.

Tako smo postali lastniki Združenih držav.

This is the legacy

To je zapuščina

of Manifest Destiny.

manifesta usode.

Prisoners are still born into prisoner of war camps,

Zaporniki se še rojevajo

v taborišča vojnih ujetnikov

long after the guards are gone.

dolgo potem, ko stražarjev več ni.

These are the bones left after the best meat has been taken.

To so kosti, ki ostanejo,

ko je pobrano najboljše meso.

Pred dolgim časom

A long time ago,

a series of events was set in motion

so niz dogodkov

by a people who look like me, by wasichu,

začeli ljudje, ki izgledajo kot jaz, wasichu,

neučakani, da si vzamejo zemljo in vodo,

eager to take the land and the water and the gold in the hills.

in zlato v hribih.

Those events led to a domino effect that has yet to end.

Ti dogodki so vodili v efekt domin,

ki se še ni končal.

As removed as we, the dominant society, may feel

Čeprav se kot dominantna družba počutimo odmaknjeni

from a massacre in 1890,

od masakra leta 1890,

or a series of broken treaties 150 years ago,

ali od niza prelomljenih sporazumov pred 150 leti,

I still have to ask you the question:

vas moram še vedno vprašati,

kako se počutite glede današnjih statistik?

How should you feel about the statistics of today?

Kaj je povezava

What is the connection between these images of suffering

med temi podobami trpljenja

and the history that I just read to you?

in med zgodovino, ki sem vam jo prebral?

in koliko te zgodovine

And how much of this history do you need to own, even?

si morate lastiti?

Is any of this your responsibility today?

Je karkoli od tega zdaj vaša odgovornost?

I have been told that there must be something we can do.

Rekli so mi, da mora obstajati nekaj, kar lahko storimo.

There must be some call to action.

Mora biti nek poziv k ukrepanju.

Because for so long, I've been standing on the sidelines,

Ker predolgo že stojim na robu

zadovoljen kot priča,

content to be a witness,

samo fotografiram.

just taking photographs.

Because the solutions seem so far in the past,

Ker se rešitev zdi tako daleč v preteklosti,

I needed nothing short of a time machine to access them.

da bi potreboval časovni stroj,

da bi jih dosegel.

The suffering of indigenous peoples is not a simple issue to fix.

Trpljenja staroselcev

ni enostavno popraviti.

It's not something everyone can get behind

Za to se ne morejo zavzeti vsi,

the way they get behind helping Haiti,

kot se zavzamejo za Haiti,

or ending AIDS, or fighting a famine.

ali končanje AIDSa, ali boj proti lakoti.

The "fix," as it's called,

"popravilo", kot bi rekli temu,

may be much more difficult for the dominant society

je morda veliko težje za dominantno družno

than, say, a $50 check

kot, recimo, ček za 50$

or a church trip to paint some graffiti-covered houses,

ali cerkveni obisk,

da bi prebarvali z grafiti prekrite hiše,

or a suburban family

ali pa predmestna družina,

donating a box of clothes they don't even want anymore.

ki daruje škatlo starih oblačil, ki jih niti več nočejo.

So where does that leave us?

Kje smo torej?

Shrugging our shoulders in the dark?

Skomigamo z rameni v temi?

Združene države

The United States continues on a daily basis to violate the terms

še naprej vsak dan

kršijo pogoje

of the 1851 and 1868 Fort Laramie Treaties with the Lakota.

iz let 1851 in 1868

sporazumov Fort Laramie z Lakoto.

The call to action I offer today --

Moj poziv k dejanjem danes --

moja TED želja -- je tole:

my TED wish -- is this:

Honor the treaties.

Spoštujte sporazume.

Give back the Black Hills.

vrnite Črne Griče.

It's not your business what they do with them.

Ni vaša stvar kaj počnejo z njimi.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)