What are animals thinking and feeling? | Carl Safina

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Have you ever wondered what animals think and feel?
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Jeste li se ikad pitali o čemu životinje razmišljaju i kako se osjećaju?
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Let's start with a question:
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Krenimo s ovim pitanjem:
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Does my dog really love me, or does she just want a treat?
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Voli li me moj pas doista ili samo želi poslasticu?
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Well, it's easy to see that our dog really loves us,
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Lako je vidjeti da nas pas doista voli,
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easy to see, right,
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lako je shvatiti
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what's going on in that fuzzy little head.
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što se mota u toj čupavoj glavici.
00:36
What is going on?
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Što se to mota?
00:39
Something's going on.
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Nešto se odvija.
00:41
But why is the question always do they love us?
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No, zašto je pitanje uvijek vole li oni nas?
00:46
Why is it always about us?
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Zašto je naglasak uvijek na nama?
00:48
Why are we such narcissists?
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Zašto smo tako narcisoidni?
00:52
I found a different question to ask animals.
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Imam drukčije pitanje za životinje.
00:57
Who are you?
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Tko ste vi?
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There are capacities of the human mind
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Ljudski um ima svojstva
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that we tend to think are capacities only of the human mind.
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koja smatramo da su karakteristična samo za ljude.
01:10
But is that true?
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No, je li to zaista tako?
01:12
What are other beings doing with those brains?
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Što druga bića rade s tim svojim mozgovima?
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What are they thinking and feeling?
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O čemu razmišljaju i što osjećaju?
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Is there a way to know?
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Postoji li način da to saznamo?
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I think there is a way in.
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Mislim da postoji neki način.
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I think there are several ways in.
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Mislim da postoji više načina.
01:24
We can look at evolution, we can look at their brains
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Možemo proučiti evoluciju, njihove mozgove,
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and we can watch what they do.
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i možemo proučavati što oni rade.
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The first thing to remember is: our brain is inherited.
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Prvo trebamo upamtiti ovo: naš je mozak naslijeđen.
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The first neurons came from jellyfish.
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Prvi neuroni pojavili su se kod meduza.
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Jellyfish gave rise to the first chordates.
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Iz meduza su se razvii prvi svitkovci.
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The first chordates gave rise to the first vertebrates.
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Prvi su se svitkovci kasnije razvili u prve kralježnjake.
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The vertebrates came out of the sea,
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Kralježnjaci su izašli iz mora,
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and here we are.
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i evo nas ovdje.
01:54
But it's still true that a neuron, a nerve cell, looks the same
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Međutim, neuron tj. živčana stanica još uvijek izgleda jednako
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in a crayfish, a bird or you.
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kod rakova, ptica ili vas.
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What does that say about the minds of crayfish?
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Što to govori o umu rakova?
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Can we tell anything about that?
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Možemo li išta o tome kazati?
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Well, it turns out that if you give a crayfish
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Ispostavilo se da ako raku damo
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a lot of little tiny electric shocks
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mnogo sitnih električnih šokova
02:17
every time it tries to come out of its burrow,
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svaki puta kada pokuša izaći iz svog skrovišta,
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it will develop anxiety.
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kod njega će to razviti anksioznost.
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If you give the crayfish the same drug
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Ako raku date isti lijek
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used to treat anxiety disorder in humans,
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koji se koristi za liječenje anksioznosti u čovjeka,
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it relaxes and comes out and explores.
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on će se opustiti, izaći i istraživati.
02:34
How do we show how much we care about crayfish anxiety?
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Kako iskazujemo koliko nam je stalo o anksioznosti rakova?
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Mostly, we boil them.
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Uglavnom tako da ih kuhamo.
02:39
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:42
Octopuses use tools, as well as do most apes
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Hobotnice koriste oruđe, kao i većina čovjekolikih majmuna
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and they recognize human faces.
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i prepoznaju ljudska lica.
02:50
How do we celebrate the ape-like intelligence of this invertebrate?
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Kako slavimo tu visoku inteligenciju ovih beskralježnjaka?
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Mostly boiled.
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Uglavnom ih kuhamo.
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If a grouper chases a fish into a crevice in the coral,
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Ako kijerna tjera ribu u pukotinu u koralju,
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it will sometimes go to where it knows a moray eel is sleeping
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ponekad će ići onamo gdje zna da murinka spava
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and it will signal to the moray, "Follow me,"
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i signalizirat će murinki da je slijedi
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and the moray will understand that signal.
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i murinka će razumjeti taj signal.
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The moray may go into the crevice and get the fish,
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Murinka će možda ući u pukotinu i uhvatiti ribu,
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but the fish may bolt and the grouper may get it.
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ali riba se može naglo izmaći i u tom je slučaju može uloviti kijerna.
03:20
This is an ancient partnership that we have just recently found out about.
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Ovo je drevna suradnja koju smo tek nedavno otkrili.
03:26
How do we celebrate that ancient partnership?
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Kako slavimo to drevno partnerstvo?
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Mostly fried.
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Uglavnom tako da ih pržimo.
03:32
A pattern is emerging and it says a lot more about us
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Javlja se obrazac ponašanja koji govori mnogo više o nama
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than it does about them.
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nego o njima.
03:39
Sea otters use tools
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Morske vidre koriste oruđe
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and they take time away from what they're doing
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i odvajaju vrijeme od toga što rade
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to show their babies what to do, which is called teaching.
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kako bi pokazale svojim mladuncima što treba raditi, a to se zove podučavanje.
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Chimpanzees don't teach.
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Čimpanze ne podučavaju.
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Killer whales teach and killer whales share food.
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Kitovi ubojice podučavaju i dijele hranu.
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When evolution makes something new,
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Kada evolucija stvori nešto novo,
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it uses the parts it has in stock, off the shelf,
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koristi dijelove koje već ima otprije,
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before it fabricates a new twist.
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prije nego što stvori nešto novo.
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And our brain has come to us
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Naš mozak se razvijao
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through the enormity of the deep sweep of time.
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tijekom milijuna godina.
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If you look at the human brain compared to a chimpanzee brain,
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Ako usporedite ljudski mozak i mozak čimpanze,
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what you see is we have basically a very big chimpanzee brain.
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možete vidjeti da imamo vrlo veliki mozak čimpanzi.
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It's a good thing ours is bigger, because we're also really insecure.
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Dobro je da je naš mozak veći, s obzirom da smo također vrlo nesigurni.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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But, uh oh, there's a dolphin,
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Ovo je dupin,
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a bigger brain with more convolutions.
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ima veći mozak s više vijuga.
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OK, maybe you're saying, all right, well, we see brains,
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Možda si mislite "Vidimo mozgove,
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but what does that have to say about minds?
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ali što to govori o umovima?"
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Well, we can see the working of the mind
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Pa, djelovanje uma možemo uočiti
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in the logic of behaviors.
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u logičnosti ponašanja.
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So these elephants, you can see,
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Ovi se slonovi ovdje
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obviously, they are resting.
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očigledno odmaraju.
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They have found a patch of shade under the palm trees
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Pronašli su malo hlada pod palmama
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under which to let their babies sleep,
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gdje im mladunčad može spavati,
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while they doze but remain vigilant.
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dok oni drijemaju, ali su istovremeno na oprezu.
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We make perfect sense of that image
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Ova slika nam je sasvim jasna
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just as they make perfect sense of what they're doing
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kao što je njima sasvim jasno to što rade
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because under the arc of the same sun on the same plains,
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jer ispod istog sunca, na istim tim ravnicama,
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listening to the howls of the same dangers,
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slušajući zavijanje istih opasnosti,
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they became who they are and we became who we are.
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oni su postali to što jesu, a mi smo postali to što mi jesmo.
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We've been neighbors for a very long time.
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Vrlo smo dugo susjedi.
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No one would mistake these elephants as being relaxed.
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Nitko ne bi rekao da ovi slonovi izgledaju opušteno.
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They're obviously very concerned about something.
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Očigledno su vrlo zabrinuti zbog nečega.
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What are they concerned about?
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Što ih to brine?
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It turns out that if you record the voices of tourists
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Pokazalo se da ako snimite glasove turista
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and you play that recording from a speaker hidden in bushes,
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i pustite snimku preko zvučnika skrivenog u grmlju,
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elephants will ignore it, because tourists never bother elephants.
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slonovi će to ignorirati, jer ih turisti nikada ne uznemiravaju.
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But if you record the voices of herders
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No, ako snimite glasove pastira
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who carry spears and often hurt elephants in confrontations at water holes,
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koji nose koplja i često ranjavaju slonove tijekom sukoba na pojilištima,
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the elephants will bunch up and run away from the hidden speaker.
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slonovi će se okupiti i pobjeći od skrivenog zvučnika.
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Not only do elephants know that there are humans,
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Ne samo da slonovi znaju da su to ljudi,
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they know that there are different kinds of humans,
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nego razlikuju drukčije skupine ljudi,
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and that some are OK and some are dangerous.
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i znaju da su neki uredu, a neki opasni.
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They have been watching us for much longer than we have been watching them.
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Promatraju nas mnogo dulje nego mi njih.
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They know us better than we know them.
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Znaju nas bolje nego mi njih.
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We have the same imperatives:
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Imamo jednake nagone:
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take care of our babies, find food, try to stay alive.
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brinuti se za bebe, tražiti hranu, preživljavati.
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Whether we're outfitted for hiking in the hills of Africa
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Bilo da smo opremljeni za planinarenje po afričkim brdima,
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or outfitted for diving under the sea, we are basically the same.
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ili da smo opremljeni za ronjenje pod morem, u suštini smo jednaki.
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We are kin under the skin.
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U srodstvu smo.
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The elephant has the same skeleton,
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Slon ima jednaki kostur,
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the killer whale has the same skeleton,
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kit ubojica ima jednaki kostur,
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as do we.
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kao i mi.
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We see helping where help is needed.
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Možemo vidjeti kako pružaju pomoć kada je to potrebno.
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We see curiosity in the young.
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Vidimo znatiželju u mladunaca.
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We see the bonds of family connections.
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Vidimo kako su obitelji povezane.
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We recognize affection.
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Prepoznajemo ljubav.
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Courtship is courtship.
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Udvaranje je udvaranje.
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And then we ask, "Are they conscious?"
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A potom se pitamo, "Jesu li oni svjesni?"
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When you get general anesthesia, it makes you unconscious,
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Kada primite opću anesteziju, postanete nesvjesni,
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which means you have no sensation of anything.
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što znači da nemate nikakav osjećaj ni za što.
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Consciousness is simply the thing that feels like something.
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Svjesnost je samo sposobnost da osjećamo nešto.
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If you see, if you hear, if you feel, if you're aware of anything,
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Ako vidite, čujete, osjećate, ako išta uočavate,
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you are conscious, and they are conscious.
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tada ste svjesni, kao što su i oni.
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Some people say
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Neki ljudi tvrde
07:28
well, there are certain things that make humans humans,
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da postoje određene stvari koje ljude čine ljudima,
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and one of those things is empathy.
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a jedna od tih stvari je empatija.
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Empathy is the mind's ability to match moods with your companions.
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Empatija je sposobnost uma da uskladi vaše raspoloženje s onima drugih ljudi.
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It's a very useful thing.
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To je vrlo korisno.
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If your companions start to move quickly,
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Ako se ljudi oko vas počnu ubrzano kretati
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you have to feel like you need to hurry up.
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imat ćete potrebu da požurite.
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We're all in a hurry now.
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Sada smo svi u žurbi.
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The oldest form of empathy is contagious fear.
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Najstariji oblik empatije je zarazan strah.
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If your companions suddenly startle and fly away,
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Ako se ljudi oko vas odjednom uplaše i pobjegnu,
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it does not work very well for you to say,
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nije najbolja solucija da ostanete na tom mjestu,
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"Jeez, I wonder why everybody just left."
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"Ajme, pitam se zašto su svi pobjegli."
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
08:03
Empathy is old, but empathy, like everything else in life,
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Empatija je stara, ali kao i sve u životu,
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comes on a sliding scale and has its elaboration.
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ovisi o raznim faktorima i ima više oblika.
08:10
So there's basic empathy: you feel sad, it makes me sad.
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Postoji osnovna empatija: ti si tužan, i to mene čini tužnim.
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I see you happy, it makes me happy.
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Vidim da si sretan i to mene čini sretnim.
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Then there's something that I call sympathy,
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Postoji nešto što ja zovem sućut,
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a little more removed:
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to je malo drukčije:
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"I'm sorry to hear that your grandmother has just passed away.
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"Žao mi je što ti je baka nedavno preminula."
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I don't feel that same grief, but I get it; I know what you feel
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"Ne osjećam jednaku tugu, ali je razumijem; znam kako se osjećaš
08:29
and it concerns me."
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i to me brine."
08:30
And then if we're motivated to act on sympathy,
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Ako smo motivirani da djelujemo u skladu sa sućuti,
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I call that compassion.
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to nazivam suosjećanjem.
08:36
Far from being the thing that makes us human,
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Ne samo da empatija nije to što nas čini ljudskim bićima,
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human empathy is far from perfect.
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ona nije nimalo savršena.
08:42
We round up empathic creatures, we kill them and we eat them.
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Okupljamo empatična stvorenja, ubijamo ih i jedemo.
08:48
Now, maybe you say OK, well, those are different species.
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Možda tvrdite da su to drukčije vrste.
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That's just predation, and humans are predators.
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To je samo predatorstvo, a ljudi su predatori.
08:54
But we don't treat our own kind too well either.
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No mi se niti prema svojoj vlastitoj vrsti ne ophodimo dobro.
09:01
People who seem to know only one thing about animal behavior
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Ljudi koji poznaju samo jednu komponentu ponašanja životinja
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know that you must never attribute human thoughts and emotions
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znaju da nikada ne bismo smjeli pridavati ljudske misli i osjećaje
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to other species.
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drugim vrstama.
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Well, I think that's silly,
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Ja smatram da je to glupo,
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because attributing human thoughts and emotions to other species
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jer pridavanjem ljudskih misli i osjećaja drugim vrstama
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is the best first guess about what they're doing and how they're feeling,
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najbolje možemo pogoditi što one rade i kako se osjećaju,
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because their brains are basically the same as ours.
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jer su njihovi mozgovi u načelu jednaki našem.
09:24
They have the same structures.
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Imaju iste strukture.
09:26
The same hormones that create mood and motivation in us
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Isti hormoni koji stvaraju raspoloženja i motivaciju kod nas
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are in those brains as well.
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nalaze se i u njihovim mozgovima.
09:35
It is not scientific to say that they are hungry when they're hunting
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Nije znanstveno ako kažemo da su gladni kada love,
09:40
and they're tired when their tongues are hanging out,
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i da su umorni kada im jezici vise,
09:43
and then say when they're playing with their children
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i onda reći kada se igraju sa svojim mladuncima
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and acting joyful and happy,
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i ponašaju radosno i sretno,
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we have no idea if they can possibly be experiencing anything.
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nemamo pojma o tome mogu li oni uopće išta osjećati.
09:52
That is not scientific.
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To nije znanstveno.
09:55
So OK, so a reporter said to me,
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Jedan novinar mi je rekao,
09:58
"Maybe, but how do you really know that other animals can think and feel?"
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"Možda, ali kako zaista znate da druge životinje mogu misliti i osjećati?"
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And I started to rifle through all the hundreds
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Počeo sam brzinski prelijetati preko stotinu
10:05
of scientific references that I put in my book
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znanstvenih poveznica koje sam uvrstio u svoju knjigu
10:08
and I realized that the answer was right in the room with me.
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i onda sam shvatio da se odgovor nalazio u toj istoj sobi.
10:11
When my dog gets off the rug and comes over to me --
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Kada se moj pas digne s tepiha i priđe mi,
10:15
not to the couch, to me --
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ne kauču nego meni,
10:17
and she rolls over on her back and exposes her belly,
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i izvali se na leđa da otkrije trbuh,
10:21
she has had the thought, "I would like my belly rubbed.
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prije toga je pomislila, "Želim da me počeše po trbuhu.
10:26
I know that I can go over to Carl,
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Znam da mogu doći do Carla,
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he will understand what I'm asking.
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on će razumjeti što ga tražim.
10:32
I know I can trust him because we're family.
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Znam da mu mogu vjerovati, jer smo obitelj.
10:35
He'll get the job done, and it will feel good."
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On će to napraviti i sjajno ću se osjećati."
10:38
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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She has thought and she has felt,
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Ona je mislila i osjećala,
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and it's really not more complicated than that.
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i istina zaista nije kompliciranija od toga.
10:46
But we see other animals and we say, "Oh look, killer whales,
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Međutim, vidimo druge životinje i kažemo, "Oh vidi, kit ubojica,
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wolves, elephants:
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vukovi, slonovi:
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that's not how they see it."
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oni to ne doživljavaju na isti način."
10:55
That tall-finned male is L41.
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Ovaj mužjak s visokom perajom je L41.
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He's 38 years old.
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Ima 38 godina.
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The female right on his left side is L22.
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Ženka s njegove lijeve strane je L22.
11:05
She's 44.
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Ona ima 44 godine.
11:07
They've known each other for decades.
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Oni se znaju desetljećima.
11:10
They know exactly who they are.
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Točno znaju tko su.
11:12
They know who their friends are.
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Znaju tko su im prijatelji.
11:14
They know who their rivals are.
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Znaju tko su im protivnici.
11:15
Their life follows the arc of a career.
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Život im se odvija poput karijere.
11:18
They know where they are all the time.
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Svo vrijeme znaju gdje se nalaze.
11:22
This is an elephant named Philo.
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Ovo je slon Philo.
11:25
He was a young male.
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Bio je mladi mužjak.
11:27
This is him four days later.
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Ovo je on nakon četiri dana.
11:30
Humans not only can feel grief, we create an awful lot of it.
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Ljudi ne samo da osjećaju tugu, već je mogu i prouzročiti u velikim količinama.
11:38
We want to carve their teeth.
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Želimo izrezbariti njihove zube.
11:42
Why can't we wait for them to die?
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Zašto ne možemo pričekati da uginu?
11:47
Elephants once ranged from the shores of the Mediterranean Sea
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Slonovi su nekoć obitavali od obala Sredozemnog mora
11:51
all the way down to the Cape of Good Hope.
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pa sve do Rta dobre nade.
11:53
In 1980, there were vast strongholds of elephant range
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Godine 1980. još su postojala velika uporišta gdje su slonovi obitavali
11:56
in Central and Eastern Africa.
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u središnjoj i istočnoj Africi.
11:59
And now their range is shattered into little shards.
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Sada se njihov prostor sveo na sitna područja.
12:03
This is the geography of an animal that we are driving to extinction,
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To je zemljopis životinje koja će izumrijeti,
12:08
a fellow being, the most magnificent creature on land.
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biće blisko nama, najveličanstveniji stvor na zemlji.
12:13
Of course, we take much better care of our wildlife in the United States.
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Naravno, mnogo bolje brinemo za divlji svijet u SAD-u.
12:17
In Yellowstone National Park, we killed every single wolf.
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U nacionalnom parku Yellowstone, istrijebili smo apsolutno sve vukove.
12:21
We killed every single wolf south of the Canadian border, actually.
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Istrijebili smo svakog vuka južno od granice s Kanadom.
12:25
But in the park, park rangers did that in the 1920s,
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No u Yellowstoneu su to učinili čuvari parka 1920-ih,
12:29
and then 60 years later they had to bring them back,
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a 60 godina poslije morali su ih vratiti,
12:32
because the elk numbers had gotten out of control.
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budući da se broj jelena oteo kontroli.
12:36
And then people came.
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Zatim su došli ljudi.
12:37
People came by the thousands to see the wolves,
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Nekoliko tisuća ljudi došlo je vidjeti te vukove,
12:41
the most accessibly visible wolves in the world.
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koji su danas postali najpristupačniji za promatranje.
12:45
And I went there and I watched this incredible family of wolves.
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Otišao sam tamo i promatrao tu nevjerojatnu obitelj vukova.
12:48
A pack is a family.
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Čopor je obitelj.
12:50
It has some breeding adults and the young of several generations.
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Ima nekoliko odraslih rasplodnih jedinki i mladunčad od nekoliko generacija.
12:55
And I watched the most famous, most stable pack in Yellowstone National Park.
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Promatrao sam najslavniji i najstabilniji čopor u parku.
13:00
And then, when they wandered just outside the border,
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Zatim, kada su samo malo odlutali preko granice parka,
13:03
two of their adults were killed,
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dvoje odraslih bilo je ubijeno,
13:06
including the mother,
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uključujući i majku,
13:08
which we sometimes call the alpha female.
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koju ponekad nazivamo alfa ženkom.
13:11
The rest of the family immediately descended into sibling rivalry.
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Među ostalim članovima obitelji odmah se razvilo suparništvo.
13:16
Sisters kicked out other sisters.
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Jedne su sestre izbacile iz čopora druge sestre.
13:19
That one on the left tried for days to rejoin her family.
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Ona s lijeva danima se pokušavala ponovo pridružiti svojoj obitelji.
13:23
They wouldn't let her because they were jealous of her.
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Nisu je puštali jer su bili ljubomorni na nju.
13:25
She was getting too much attention from two new males,
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Dobivala je previše pažnje od dvoje mužjaka,
13:28
and she was the precocious one.
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i rano je postala spolno zrela.
13:30
That was too much for them.
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To je za njih bilo previše.
13:32
She wound up wandering outside the park and getting shot.
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Na kraju je odlutala izvan parka gdje su je upucali.
13:36
The alpha male wound up being ejected from his own family.
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Alfa mužjaka odbacila je njegova vlastita obitelj.
13:40
As winter was coming in,
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Kako se približavala zima,
13:42
he lost his territory, his hunting support,
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izgubio je svoj teritorij, podršku u lovu,
13:46
the members of his family and his mate.
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članove svoje obitelji i družicu.
13:50
We cause so much pain to them.
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Nanosimo im toliko boli.
13:55
The mystery is, why don't they hurt us more than they do?
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Prava je zagonetka zašto oni nas ne ranjavaju više nego mi njih.
14:01
This whale had just finished eating part of a grey whale
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Ovaj kit upravo je pojeo dio sivog kita
14:05
with his companions who had killed that whale.
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sa svojim suradnicima koji su ubili tog kita.
14:07
Those people in the boat had nothing at all to fear.
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Ovi ljudi na brodu nisu imali nikakvog razloga za strah.
14:11
This whale is T20.
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Ovaj kit je T20.
14:14
He had just finished tearing a seal into three pieces with two companions.
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Upravo je rastrgao tuljana na tri dijela s drugom dvojicom kitova.
14:19
The seal weighed about as much as the people in the boat.
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Taj je tuljan težio otprilike koliko i ljudi na brodu.
14:21
They had nothing to fear.
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Nisu imali razloga bojati se.
14:24
They eat seals.
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Oni jedu tuljane.
14:26
Why don't they eat us?
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Zašto ne jedu nas?
14:30
Why can we trust them around our toddlers?
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Kako to da im možemo vjerovati kada su nam u blizini djece?
14:36
Why is it that killer whales have returned to researchers lost in thick fog
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Kako to da su se kitovi ubojice vraćali istraživačima izgubljenima u gustoj magli
14:42
and led them miles until the fog parted
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i vodili ih miljama dok se magla nije dignula
14:45
and the researchers' home was right there on the shoreline?
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a njihovi domovi ih dočekali na obali?
14:48
And that's happened more than one time.
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To se dogodilo nekoliko puta.
14:53
In the Bahamas, there's a woman named Denise Herzing,
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Denise Herzing živi na Bahamima,
14:55
and she studies spotted dolphins and they know her.
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proučava pjegave dupine i oni je poznaju.
14:59
She knows them very well. She knows who they all are.
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Oan ih jako dobro poznaje. Zna tko je svatko od njih.
15:01
They know her. They recognize the research boat.
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Oni poznaju nju. Prepoznaju istraživački brod.
15:04
When she shows up, it's a big happy reunion.
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Kada se ona pojavi, nastupa veliko radosno okupljanje.
15:06
Except, one time showed up and they didn't want to come near the boat,
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Međutim, jednom se pojavila, a oni se nisu htjeli približiti brodu
15:09
and that was really strange.
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što je bilo jako neobično.
15:11
And they couldn't figure out what was going on
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Nisu mogli shvatiti što se događa
15:13
until somebody came out on deck
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dok netko nije izišao na palubu
15:15
and announced that one of the people onboard had died
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i priopćio da je jedna osoba na brodu umrla
15:18
during a nap in his bunk.
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tijekom spavanja u svome ležaju.
15:20
How could dolphins know that one of the human hearts
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Kako su dupini mogli znati da je jedno srce osoba na brodu
15:24
had just stopped?
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upravo prestalo kucati?
15:26
Why would they care?
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Zašto bi ih to brinulo?
15:29
And why would it spook them?
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I zašto bi ih to uplašilo?
15:33
These mysterious things just hint at all of the things that are going on
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Ove zagonetne stvari samo nagovještavaju sve ono što se događa
15:38
in the minds that are with us on Earth
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u umovima koji s nama dijele Zemlju
15:41
that we almost never think about at all.
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a o kojima mi gotovo nikad ne razmišljamo.
15:46
At an aquarium in South Africa
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U akvariju u Južnoj Africi
15:48
was a little baby bottle-nosed dolphin named Dolly.
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nalazila se beba pliskavice zvana Dolly.
15:52
She was nursing, and one day a keeper took a cigarette break
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Još je sisala mlijeko i jednoga je dana čuvar uzeo pauzu za cigaretu.
15:58
and he was looking into the window into their pool, smoking.
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Pušio je i promatrao njihov bazen kroz staklo.
16:02
Dolly came over and looked at him,
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Dolly mu je prišla i pogledala ga,
16:04
went back to her mother, nursed for a minute or two,
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potom se vratila majci, dojila par minuta,
16:08
came back to the window
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i onda se vratila staklu
16:10
and released a cloud of milk that enveloped her head like smoke.
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i ispustila oblak mlijeka koji joj je obavio glavu poput dima.
16:16
Somehow, this baby bottle-nosed dolphin
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Toj je bebi pliskavici nekako
16:19
got the idea of using milk to represent smoke.
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sinula ideja da bi mlijeko moglo predstavljati dim.
16:24
When human beings use one thing to represent another,
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Kada ljudska bića koriste jednu stvar da bi prikazali nešto drugo,
16:27
we call that art.
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to onda zovemo umjetnost.
16:29
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
16:31
The things that make us human
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Stvari koje nas čine ljudima
16:33
are not the things that we think make us human.
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nisu one za koje mislimo da nas čine ljudima.
16:36
What makes us human is that,
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Ovo nas čini ljudima:
16:39
of all these things that our minds and their minds have,
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od svih stvari koje posjeduju naši i njihovi umovi,
16:42
we are the most extreme.
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mi smo najekstremniji.
16:46
We are the most compassionate,
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Mi smo najsuosjećajnija,
16:48
most violent, most creative
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najnasilnija, najkreativnija,
16:51
and most destructive animal that has ever been on this planet,
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i najdestruktivnija životinja koja je ikada živjela na ovome planetu,
16:56
and we are all of those things all jumbled up together.
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mi smo sazdani od svih tih izmješanih karakeristika.
17:01
But love is not the thing that makes us human.
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No ljubav nije to što nas čini ljudima.
17:06
It's not special to us.
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Nije rezervirana samo za nas.
17:09
We are not the only ones who care about our mates.
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Ljudi nisu jedini koji brinu za svoje partnere.
17:13
We are not the only ones who care about our children.
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Nismo jedini koji brinemo za svoju djecu.
17:18
Albatrosses frequently fly six, sometimes ten thousand miles
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Albatrosi često lete šest, katkad i deset tisuća milja
17:23
over several weeks to deliver one meal, one big meal,
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tijekom nekoliko tjedana kako bi donijeli jedan veliki obrok,
17:28
to their chick who is waiting for them.
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svojem ptiću koji ih čeka.
17:30
They nest on the most remote islands in the oceans of the world,
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Gnijezde se na najudaljenijim otocima u oceanima,
17:35
and this is what it looks like.
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i to izgleda ovako.
17:39
Passing life from one generation to the next is the chain of being.
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Prenošenje života s jedne generacije na sljedeću predstavlja vijenac postojanja.
17:43
If that stops, it all goes away.
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Ako to stane, sve se urušava.
17:46
If anything is sacred, that is, and into that sacred relationship
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Ako je išta sveto, onda je to upravo ovo, a tu svetu vezu
17:51
comes our plastic trash.
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ulazi naše plastično smeće.
17:54
All of these birds have plastic in them now.
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U svim tim pticama sada se nalazi plastika.
17:57
This is an albatross six months old, ready to fledge --
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Ovo je šestomjesečni albatros, samo što nije dobio perje --
18:02
died, packed with red cigarette lighters.
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uginuo je napunjen crvenim upaljačima.
18:06
This is not the relationship we are supposed to have
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Ovo nije veza kakvu bismo trebali imati
18:09
with the rest of the world.
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s ostatkom svijeta.
18:11
But we, who have named ourselves after our brains,
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No mi, koji smo si nadjenuli ime po našem mozgu,
18:16
never think about the consequences.
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nikada ne razmišljamo o posljedicama.
18:21
When we welcome new human life into the world,
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Kada se radujemo novom ljudskom životu u svijetu,
18:24
we welcome our babies into the company of other creatures.
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uvodimo svoje bebe u društvo drugih živih bića.
18:28
We paint animals on the walls.
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Slikamo životinje po zidovima.
18:30
We don't paint cell phones.
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Ne slikamo mobitele.
18:32
We don't paint work cubicles.
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Ne slikamo radna mjesta.
18:34
We paint animals to show them that we are not alone.
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Slikamo životinje da pokažemo kako nismo sami.
18:39
We have company.
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Imamo društvo.
18:42
And every one of those animals in every painting of Noah's ark,
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Svaka od tih životinja na svakoj slici Noine arke,
18:47
deemed worthy of salvation is in mortal danger now,
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dostojna spasenja sada je u životnoj opasnosti,
18:51
and their flood is us.
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a njihov opći potop smo mi.
18:55
So we started with a question:
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Započeli smo pitanjem:
18:58
Do they love us?
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Vole li oni nas?
19:01
We're going to ask another question.
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Postavit ćemo drugo pitanje.
19:04
Are we capable of using what we have
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Jesmo li mi sposobni upotrijebiti to što imamo
19:09
to care enough to simply let them continue?
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da nam bude dovoljno stalo da im jednostavno dopustimo da nastave dalje?
19:16
Thank you very much.
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Hvala vam.
19:18
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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