Joy Sun: Should you donate differently?

113,816 views ・ 2014-10-22

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譯者: Marssi Draw 審譯者: Adrienne Lin
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I suspect that
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我懷疑
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every aid worker in Africa
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每位在非洲的救援人員
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comes to a time in her career
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職業生涯中都會有段時間
00:17
when she wants to take all the money for her project —
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想把所有計畫的經費,
00:20
maybe it's a school or a training program —
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也許是支付學校或訓練的費用,
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pack it in a suitcase,
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全都放進皮箱裡,
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get on a plane flying over the poorest villages in the country,
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搭上飛機,飛到全國最窮的村子裡,
00:29
and start throwing that money out the window.
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然後開始把錢丟出窗外。
00:33
Because to a veteran aid worker,
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因為對經驗豐富的救援人員來說,
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the idea of putting cold, hard cash
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把白花花的現金送到
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into the hands of the poorest people on Earth
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地球上最窮的人手上
00:41
doesn't sound crazy,
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聽起來不怎麼瘋狂,
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it sounds really satisfying.
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反而非常大快人心。
00:46
I had that moment right about the 10-year mark,
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我大概在工作滿十年的時候 有這種感覺,
00:49
and luckily, that's also when I learned
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幸運的是,我正好在那個時候發現
00:52
that this idea actually exists,
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這種想法真的存在現實生活中,
00:55
and it might be just what the aid system needs.
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而那也許符合救援機構的需求。
00:59
Economists call it an unconditional cash transfer,
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經濟學家稱這種方式為現金移轉 (unconditional cash transfer)。
01:02
and it's exactly that: It's cash given
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意思是:沒有任何條件就直接提供現金。
01:04
with no strings attached.
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01:06
Governments in developing countries
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發展中國家的政府
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have been doing this for decades,
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做這件事已經幾十年了,
01:10
and it's only now, with more evidence
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直到現在才有更多證據
01:12
and new technology that it's possible
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和新興科技顯示
01:15
to make this a model for delivering aid.
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這種捐助方式可行。
01:20
It's a pretty simple idea, right?
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這是個很簡單的概念,對吧?
01:23
Well, why did I spend a decade doing other stuff
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那為什麼我還花了十年做其他的事
01:27
for the poor?
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來幫助窮人?
01:29
Honestly, I believed that I could do more good
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老實說,我以前相信
我比窮人更擅於管理錢,
01:32
with money for the poor
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01:34
than the poor could do for themselves.
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比他們自己處理得更好。
01:37
I held two assumptions:
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我假設兩件事:
01:38
One, that poor people are poor in part
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第一,窮人之所以窮,
有一部分是因為他們沒有受教育,
01:41
because they're uneducated and
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而且不懂得做出好選擇;
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don't make good choices;
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01:45
two is that we then need people like me
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第二,我們需要像我這樣的人,
01:47
to figure out what they need and get it to them.
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設想他們需要什麼,並提供他們所需。
01:51
It turns out, the evidence says otherwise.
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結果事實證明完全相反。
01:55
In recent years, researchers have been studying
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最近幾年,調查員一直研究
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what happens when we give poor people cash.
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我們給窮人現金之後的發展。
02:02
Dozens of studies show across the board
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許多研究都顯示
02:04
that people use cash transfers
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大家把現金用在
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to improve their own lives.
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改善自己的生活。
02:09
Pregnant women in Uruguay buy better food
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烏拉圭的孕婦會買好一點的食物,
02:12
and give birth to healthier babies.
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生下的嬰兒就會比較健康。
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Sri Lankan men invest in their businesses.
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斯里蘭卡男性則投資在自己的生意上。
02:17
Researchers who studied our work in Kenya
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調查員研究我們在肯亞做的服務,
02:20
found that people invested in a range of assets,
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發現大家投資在各種財產上,
02:23
from livestock to equipment to home improvements,
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從家畜、設備到改善家園,
02:27
and they saw increases in income
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而且他們還看見收入的成長,
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from business and farming
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從經商到務農都獲利,
02:32
one year after the cash was sent.
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成效就出現在他們送出錢的一年後。
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None of these studies found that people
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沒有任何研究顯示
02:38
spend more on drinking or smoking
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大家花更多錢去抽煙、喝酒,
02:41
or that people work less.
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也沒有人因此減少工作。
02:43
In fact, they work more.
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事實上,他們做得更多。
02:47
Now, these are all material needs.
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前面談到的都是物質需求。
02:50
In Vietnam, elderly recipients used
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在越南,年長的受助者
把現金拿來買棺材。
02:54
their cash transfers to pay for coffins.
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02:58
As someone who wonders if Maslow got it wrong,
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就像有人懷疑馬斯洛的理論是否錯了,
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I find this choice to prioritize spiritual needs
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我發現這個優先滿足精神需求的選擇
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deeply humbling.
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著實令人感到謙遜。
03:09
I don't know if I would have chosen to give food
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我不知道我會選擇提供食物、
03:11
or equipment or coffins,
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設備還是棺材,
03:15
which begs the question:
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這就回到最關鍵的問題:
03:17
How good are we at allocating resources
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我們有多擅於分配資源
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on behalf of the poor?
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來為窮人爭取利益?
03:22
Are we worth the cost?
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我們值那些錢嗎?
03:25
Again, we can look at empirical evidence
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同樣的,我們可以檢視過去的經驗,
03:27
on what happens when we give people stuff
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看看給窮人我們選擇的東西之後,
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of our choosing.
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發生了什麼事。
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One very telling study looked at a program in India
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有份很有說服力的研究 檢視印度做的計畫顯示
03:35
that gives livestock to the so-called ultra-poor,
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給所謂的赤貧者牲畜之後,
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and they found that 30 percent of recipients
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他們發現有 30% 的受助者
03:43
had turned around and sold the livestock they had been given
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情況大幅好轉,並賣出得到的牲畜
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for cash.
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來換取現金。
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The real irony is,
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很諷刺的是,
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for every 100 dollars worth of assets
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價值 100 美元的資產
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this program gave someone,
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透過計畫提供給受助者,
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they spent another 99 dollars to do it.
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他們還要多花 99 美元才能有收穫。
04:01
What if, instead, we use technology to put cash,
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有沒有可能,我們換個方式運用科技捐款,
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whether from aid agencies or from any one of us
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不論是由慈善團體,還是任何捐助人
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directly into a poor person's hands.
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直接捐款到窮人手上。
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Today, three in four Kenyans use mobile money,
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現在有四分之三的肯亞人使用電子錢包,
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which is basically a bank account that can run
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基本上就是能在任何行動電話上 操作的銀行帳戶。
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on any cell phone.
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A sender can pay a 1.6 percent fee
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捐款人支付 1.6% 的手續費,
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and with the click of a button
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點一下按鈕,
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send money directly to a recipient's account
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就能直接捐款到受助者的帳戶,
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with no intermediaries.
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不需要透過任何人轉手。
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Like the technologies that are disrupting industries
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就像在我們生活中破壞產業的科技一樣,
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in our own lives,
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04:36
payments technology in poor countries
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貧窮國家的付款科技
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could disrupt aid.
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也會瓦解救援。
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It's spreading so quickly that it's possible
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科技傳遞得如此快速,
讓人可以想像用這種方式
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to imagine reaching billions
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幫助世界上的幾十億窮人。
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of the world's poor this way.
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04:49
That's what we've started to do at GiveDirectly.
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那就是我們在「馬上捐」(GiveDirectly) 開始做的事。
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We're the first organization
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我們是第一個決定直接 將現金移轉給窮人的組織。
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dedicated to providing cash transfers to the poor.
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04:57
We've sent cash to 35,000 people across rural Kenya
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我們送了現金給三萬五千名
住在肯亞和烏干達鄉村的人,
05:01
and Uganda
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05:03
in one-time payments of 1,000 dollars
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一次提供一千美元
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per family.
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給每個家庭。
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So far, we've looked for the poorest people
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至今,我們仍尋找最窮苦的人,
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in the poorest villages, and in this part of the world,
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那些人住在世界這個地區 最窮的村莊裡,
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they're the ones living in homes
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他們住的房子
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made of mud and thatch,
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用泥巴和茅草搭成,
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not cement and iron.
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而不是鋼筋水泥。
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So let's say that's your family.
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假設那是你家,
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We show up at your door with an Android phone.
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我們帶著安卓手機出現在你家門口。
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We'll get your name, take your photo
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我們問了你的名字,
幫你還有小屋照張相,
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and a photo of your hut
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and grab the GPS coordinates.
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然後用衛星定位。
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That night, we send all the data to the cloud,
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當天晚上,我們會把所有資料傳上雲端,
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and each piece gets checked
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每一個案件都由獨立團體審查,
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by an independent team
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using, for one example, satellite images.
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運用衛星影像等方式。
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Then, we'll come back,
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之後我們會再回來,
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we'll sell you a basic cell phone
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我們會賣你一支簡易手機,
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if you don't have one already,
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如果你本來沒有手機。
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and a few weeks later,
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幾週後,
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we send money to it.
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我們會付錢到那上面。
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Something that five years ago
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五年前,
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would have seemed impossible
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這件事看似天方夜譚,
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we can now do efficiently
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現在,我們可以有效率地執行,
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and free of corruption.
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而且免受貪汙之苦。
05:59
The more cash we give to the poor,
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我們給窮人越多錢,
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and the more evidence we have that it works,
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就有越多的證據顯示這個作法成功,
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the more we have to reconsider
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我們也就越需要重新思考
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everything else we give.
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該提供的是什麼。
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Today, the logic behind aid is too often,
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現在救援背後的念頭經常是
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well, we do at least some good.
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「嗯,至少我們做了點好事。」
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When we're complacent
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當我們沾沾自喜
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with that as our bar,
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認為那是我們的成就,
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when we tell ourselves that giving aid
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當我們告訴自己有援助
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is better than no aid at all,
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總比什麼援助都沒有還好的時候,
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we tend to invest inefficiently,
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我們反而會做效益不大的投資,
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in our own ideas that strike us as innovative,
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抱著我們自認為創新的想法,
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on writing reports,
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像是投資在寫報導,
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on plane tickets and SUVs.
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或是機票和休旅車上。
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What if the logic was,
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要是採用當時的邏輯,
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will we do better than cash given directly?
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我們能做得比直接給錢還好嗎?
06:46
Organizations would have to prove
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組織必須證明
06:47
that they're doing more good for the poor
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他們幫窮人做得更好,
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than the poor can do for themselves.
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更勝於窮人自己動手做。
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Of course, giving cash won't create public goods
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當然,給錢無法創造公共利益,
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like eradicating disease or building strong institutions,
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像是消滅疾病或蓋穩固的建築,
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but it could set a higher bar
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但給錢可以提高目標,
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for how we help individual families
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讓我們幫助每個家庭
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improve their lives.
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改善他們的生活。
07:09
I believe in aid.
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我相信援助。
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I believe most aid is better than just
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我相信大部分的援助都好過於只是
07:13
throwing money out of a plane.
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從飛機上丟錢。
07:15
I am also absolutely certain
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我也確信
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that a lot of aid today
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現在許多援助
07:20
isn't better than giving directly to the poor.
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都不比直接給窮人錢還好。
07:24
I hope that one day, it will be.
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我希望有一天,我們能做得更好。
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Thank you.
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謝謝。
07:29
(Applause)
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