Robin Ince: Science versus wonder?

Prevodilac: Isidora Bacic Lektor: Mateja Nenadovic

I'd like to apologize, first of all, to all of you

Prvo želim da vam se svima izvinim

because I have no form

jer nemam nikakav oblik

of PowerPoint presentation.

prezentacije u "PowerPoint"-u.

So what I'm going to do

Zato ću povremeno

is, every now and again, I will make this gesture,

da gestikuliram ovako,

and in a moment of PowerPoint democracy,

i u ovoj "PowerPoint" demokratiji,

you can imagine what you'd like to see.

vi možete da zamislite ono što biste želeli da vidite.

I do a radio show.

Imam emisiju na radiju.

The radio show is called "The Infinite Monkey Cage."

Radio emisija se zove ''Beskonačni kavez za majmune.''

It's about science, it's about rationalism.

Bavi se naukom, racionalizmom.

So therefore, we get a lot of complaints

Što znači da dobijamo mnogo pritužbi

every single week --

svake nedelje --

complaints including one we get very often,

žalbe, ukljujući jednu koju često dobijamo,

which is to say the very title, "Infinite Monkey Cage,"

da sam naziv, ''Beskonačni kavez za majmune'',

celebrates the idea of vivisection.

propagira ideju vivisekcije.

We have made it quite clear to these people

Veoma jasno smo rekli ovim ljudima

that an infinite monkey cage is roomy.

da je beskonačni kavez za majmune prostran.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

We also had someone else who said,

Takođe nam je neko drugi rekao,

"'The Infinite Monkey Cage' idea is ridiculous.

da je ideja o ''Beskonačnom kavezu za majmune'' smešna.

An infinite number of monkeys

Beskonačni broj majmuna

could never write the works of Shakespeare.

nikada ne bi mogao da napiše dela Šekspira.

We know this because they did an experiment."

To znamo jer smo uradili eksperiment''.

Yes, they gave 12 monkeys a typewriter for a week,

Da, dali su pisaću mašinu 12 majmuna nedelju dana,

and after a week, they only used it as a bathroom.

i nakon nedelju dana, samo su je koristili kao toalet.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

So the main element though, the main complaint we get --

Znači glavni element, glavna pritužba koju dobijamo --

and one that I find most worrying --

i koja mene najviše brine --

is that people say, "Oh, why do you insist

je da nam ljudi govore, ''Zašto insistirate

on ruining the magic?

na tome da uništavate magiju?

You bring in science, and it ruins the magic."

Uvodite nauku i to uništava magiju.''

Now I'm an arts graduate;

Ja sam završio društvene nauke;

I love myth and magic

Volim mit i magiju

and existentialism and self-loathing.

i egzistencijalizam i samoprezir.

That's what I do.

Time se bavim.

But I also don't understand

Ali ne mogu da shvatim

how it does ruin the magic.

kako to uništava magiju.

All of the magic, I think,

Sva magija, mislim,

that may well be taken away by science

koju nauka ipak može oduzeti

is then replaced by something as wonderful.

se onda zamenjuje nečim podjednako divnim.

Astrology, for instance:

Astrologija, na primer:

like many rationalists, I'm a Pisces.

kao i mnogi racionalisti, ja sam Riba.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Now astrology --

Sada astrologija --

we remove the banal idea

mi odbijamo banalnu ideju

that your life could be predicted;

da se vaš život može predvideti;

that you'll, perhaps today, meet a lucky man

da ćete, možda danas, sresti srećnog čoveka

who's wearing a hat.

koji nosi šešir.

That is gone.

Toga nema.

But if we want to look at the sky and see predictions, we still can.

Ali ako želimo da pogledamo u nebo i nešto predvidimo, to i dalje možemo.

We can see predictions of galaxies forming,

Postoje predviđanja o formiranju galaksija,

of galaxies colliding into each other, of new solar systems.

o galaksijama koje se sudaraju međusobno, o novi sunčevim sistemima.

This is a wonderful thing.

To je divna stvar.

If the Sun could one day -- and indeed the Earth, in fact --

Ako bi Sunce jednog dana - i zapravo Zemlja, -

if the Earth could read its own astrological, astronomical chart,

ako bi Zemlja mogla da čita svoju astrološku, astronomsku kartu,

one day it would say,

jednog dana bi tu pisalo,

"Not a good day for making plans.

''Nije dobar dan za pravljenje planova.

You'll been engulfed by a red giant."

Progutaće vas crveni džin''.

And that to me as well,

I to je za mene takođe,

that if you think I'm worried about losing worlds,

ako mislite da me brine to što gubimo svetove,

well Many Worlds theory --

zapravo teorija o Mnoštvu svetova --

one of the most beautiful, fascinating,

je jedna od najlepših, najfascinantnijih,

sometimes terrifying ideas

ponekada najužasnijih ideja

from the quantum interpretation --

od kvantnog tumačenja --

is a wonderful thing.

je divna stvar.

That every person here, every decision that you've made today,

Da je svaka osoba ovde, svaka odluka koju ste danas doneli,

every decision you've made in your life,

svaka odluka koju ste ikada doneli u životu,

you've not really made that decision,

niste zapravo doneli tu odluku,

but in fact, every single permutation of those decisions

već zapravo, svaka pojedinačna permutacija tih odluka

is made, each one going off into a new universe.

je doneta, svaka odlazi u novi svet.

That is a wonderful idea.

To je divna ideja.

If you ever think that your life is rubbish,

Ako ikada posmislite da je vaš život promašen,

always remember

uvek se setite

there's another you that's made much worse decisions than that.

da postoji još neki u kome ste doneli mnogo gore odluke od toga.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

If you ever think, "Ah, I want to end it all,"

Ako ikada pomislite, ''Želim da sve okončam'',

don't end it all.

nemojte.

Remember that in the majority of universes,

Setite se da u većini svetova,

you don't even exist in the first place.

za početak čak ni ne postojite.

This to me, in its own strange way,

To je meni, na neki čudan način,

is very, very comforting.

veoma umirujuće.

Now reincarnation, that's another thing gone -- the afterlife.

A reinkarnacija, još jedna stvar koje nema - zagrobni život.

But it's not gone.

Ali nije nestala.

Science actually says

Nauka zapravo kaže

we will live forever.

da ćemo živeti zauvek.

Well, there is one proviso.

Mada, ima jedan uslov.

We won't actually live forever. You won't live forever.

Nećemo mi zapravo živeti zauvek. Nećete vi živeti zauvek.

Your consciousness, the you-ness of you, the me-ness of me --

Vaša svest, ono što vas čini vama i mene mene --

that gets this one go.

to ima samo ovu jednu šansu.

But every single thing that makes us,

Ali svaka pojedina stvar koja nas čini,

every atom in us,

svaki atom u nama,

has already created a myriad of different things

je već stvorio niz različitih stvari

and will go on to create a myriad of new things.

i nastaviće da stvara niz novih stvari.

We have been mountains

Bili smo planine

and apples and pulsars

i jabuke i pulsari

and other people's knees.

i kolena drugih ljudi.

Who knows, maybe one of your atoms was once Napoleon's knee.

Ko zna, možda je jedan od vaših atoma jednom bio Napoleonovo koleno.

That is a good thing.

To je dobra stvar.

Unlike the occupants of the universe,

Za razliku od stanovnika svemira,

the universe itself is not wasteful.

sam svemir ništa ne baca.

We are all totally recyclable.

Mi se svi potpuno možemo reciklirati.

And when we die,

A kada umremo,

we don't even have to be placed in different refuse sacs.

ne moraju nas čak ni razvrstavati po kesama za različite materijale.

This is a wonderful thing.

To je divna stvar.

Understanding, to me,

Razumevanje, po meni,

does not remove the wonder and the joy.

ne uništava divljenje i radost.

For instance, my wife could turn to me and she may say,

Na primer, moja žena me može pitati,

"Why do you love me?"

''Zašto me voliš?''

And I can with all honesty

A ja je potpuno iskreno

look her in the eye and say,

mogu pogledati u oči i reći,

"Because our pheromones

''Jer su se naši feromoni

matched our olfactory receptors."

poklopili sa našim receptorima za miris''.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Though I'll probably also say something

Mada bih verovatno dodao nešto

about her hair and personality as well.

o njenoj kosi i ličnosti takođe.

And that is a wonderful thing there.

I to je divna stvar ovde.

Love does not die because of that thing.

Ljubav ne umire zbog toga.

Pain doesn't go away either.

Ali ni bol ne prestaje.

This is a terrible thing, even though I understand pain.

To je užasna stvar, iako razumem bol.

If someone punches me --

Ako me neko udari --

and because of my personality,

i to je zbog moje ličnosti,

this is recently a regular occurrence --

od nedavno to je redovna pojava --

I understand where the pain comes from.

ja znam odakle dolazi bol.

It is basically momentum to energy

To je u suštini sila zamaha pretvorena u energiju

where the four-vector is constant -- that's what it is.

gde su četiri vektora konstantni - to je to.

But at no point can I react and go,

Ali ja nikada neću reagovati i reći,

"Ha! Is that the best momentum-to-energy fourth vector constant you've got?"

''Ha! Da li je to najbolje pretvaranje sile zamaha u energiju pri konstanti od četiri vektora koje imaš?''

No, I just spit out a tooth.

Ne, samo ću ispljunuti zub.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

And that is all of these different things -- the love for my child.

I to su sve te različite stvari - ljubav prema mom detetu.

I have a son. His name is Archie.

Imam sina. Zove se Arči.

I'm very lucky,

Veoma sam srećan,

because he's better than all the other children.

jer je bolji od sve ostale dece.

Now I know you don't think that.

Znam da vi tako ne mislite.

You may well have your own children

Možda imate sopstvenu decu

and think, "Oh no, my child's best."

i mislite, ''Ne, moje dete je najbolje''.

That's the wonderful thing about evolution --

To je divna stvar kod evolucije --

the predilection to believe

predodređenost da verujete

that our child is best.

da je vaše dete najbolje.

Now in many ways, that's just a survival thing.

U mnogim aspektima, to je pitanje preživljavanja.

The fact we see here is the vehicle for our genes,

Činjenica da u njemu vidimo sredstvo za prenos naših gena,

and therefore we love it.

i da ga zato volimo.

But we don't notice that bit; we just unconditionally love.

Ali taj deo ne primećujemo; mi samo bezuslovno volimo.

That is a wonderful thing.

To je divna stvar.

Though I should say that my son is best

Mada ću ipak reći da je moj sin najbolji

and is better than your children.

i bolji od vaše dece.

I've done some tests.

Testirao sam ga.

And all of these things to me

I sve ove stvari mene

give such joy and excitement and wonder.

toliko raduju i uzbuđuju i divne su.

Even quantum mechanics can give you an excuse

Čak vam i kvantna mehanika može dati izgovor

for bad housework, for instance.

da ne radite po kući, na primer.

Perhaps you've been at home for a week on your own.

Možda ste ostali sami kod kuće nedelju dana.

You house is in a terrible state.

Kuća je u užasnom stanju.

Your partner is about to return.

Partner samo što se nije vratio.

You think, what should I do?

Mislite, šta da radim?

Do nothing.

Ništa.

All you have to do

Sve što je potrebno

is, when she walks in, using a quantum interpretation,

jeste kada uđe, koristeći kvantno tumačenje,

say, "I'm so sorry.

da kažete, ''Izvini,

I stopped observing the house for a moment,

ali prestao sam da posmatram kuću na trenutak

and when I started observing again,

i kada sam počeo ponovo da je posmatram,

everything had happened."

sve se dogodilo''.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

That's the strong anthropic principle of vacuuming.

To je jaki antropski princip usisavanja.

For me, it's a very, very important thing.

Za mene, to je veoma važna stvar.

Even on my journey up here --

Čak i moje putovanje do ovde --

the joy that I have on my journey up here every single time.

radost koju doživljavam na ovom putu, svaki put.

If you actually think, you remove the myth and there is still something wonderful.

Ako zapravo razmislite o tome, ukidate mit ali i dalje je to nešto divno.

I'm sitting on a train.

Sedim u vozu.

Every time I breathe in,

I svaki put kada udahnem,

I'm breathing in a million-billion-billion

Udišem milion-milijardu-milijardu

atoms of oxygen.

atoma kiseonika.

I'm sitting on a chair.

Sedim na stolici.

Even though I know the chair is made of atoms

Iako znam da je stolica napravljena od atoma

and therefore actually in many ways empty space,

i zato je u mnogome prazan prostor,

I find it comfortable.

meni je udobna.

I look out the window, and I realize

Pogledam kroz prozor i shvatim

that every single time we stop and I look out that window,

da svaki put kada stanemo i kada pogledam kroz prozor,

framed in that window,

uokvireno kroz taj prozor,

wherever we are,

gde god da smo,

I am observing more life

posmatram više života

than there is in the rest of the known universe

nego što postoji u ostatku poznatog svemira

beyond the planet Earth.

van planete Zemlje.

If you go to the safari parks

Ako budete išli na safari

on Saturn or Jupiter,

na Saturnu ili Jupiteru,

you will be disappointed.

bićete razočarani.

And I realize I'm observing this

Shvatam da ovo primećujem

with the brain, the human brain,

mozgom, ljudskim mozgom,

the most complex thing in the known universe.

najsloženijom stvari u poznatom svemiru.

That, to me, is an incredible thing.

To je za mene neverovatno.

And do you know what, that might be enough.

I znate šta, to je možda i dovoljno.

Steven Weinberg, the Nobel laureate, once said,

Stiven Vajnberg, dobitnik Nobelove nagrade, je jednom rekao,

"The more the universe seems comprehensible,

''Što nam se svemir čini razumljivijim,

the more it seems pointless."

to se više čini da nema smisla''.

Now for some people,

Mada nekim ljudima,

that seems to lead to an idea of nihilism.

to se čini da vodi do ideje nihilizma.

But for me, it doesn't. That is a wonderful thing.

Ali meni ne. To je divna stvar.

I'm glad the universe is pointless.

Drago mi je što svemir nema smisla.

It means if I get to the end of my life,

To znači da mogu da završim svoj život,

the universe can't turn to me and go, "What have you been doing, you idiot?

i da mi svemir ne može reći, ''Šta si radio, idiote?

That's not the point."

To nije bio smisao toga''.

I can make my own purpose.

Mogu sam da stvorim svoj smisao.

You can make your own purpose.

Vi možete da stvorite svoj smisao.

We have the individual power

Imate individualnu moć

to go, "This is what I want to do."

da kažete, ''Ovo je ono što želim da radim''.

And in a pointless universe, that, to me, is a wonderful thing.

I u svemiru bez smisla, to je meni, divna stvar.

I have chosen to make silly jokes

Ja sam odabrao da smišljam luckaste viceve

about quantum mechanics and the Copenhagen interpretation.

o kvantnoj mehanici i interpretaciji iz Kopenhagena.

You, I imagine, can do much better things with your time.

Vi, verovatno, mnogo pametnije trošite vreme.

Thank you very much. Goodbye.

Hvala puno. Doviđenja.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)