Robin Ince: Science versus wonder?

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譯者: zhang haohan 審譯者: Sean Chuang
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I'd like to apologize, first of all, to all of you
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首先 我想向大家
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because I have no form
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為我沒有任何
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of PowerPoint presentation.
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投影片的事情先道個歉
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So what I'm going to do
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所以 爲了補償
00:25
is, every now and again, I will make this gesture,
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我會不時的做這個動作
00:27
and in a moment of PowerPoint democracy,
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並停一下 你可以用這個片刻
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you can imagine what you'd like to see.
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想像一下你有看到的投影片
00:33
I do a radio show.
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我做了一個廣播節目
00:35
The radio show is called "The Infinite Monkey Cage."
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名字叫做“無限的猴子籠”
00:38
It's about science, it's about rationalism.
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是關於科學和純理論想法
00:41
So therefore, we get a lot of complaints
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我們每週會收到
00:43
every single week --
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很多的抱怨
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complaints including one we get very often,
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最常收到的就是關於
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which is to say the very title, "Infinite Monkey Cage,"
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我們的這個特別的名字, "無限猴子籠"
00:51
celebrates the idea of vivisection.
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提倡了活體解剖
00:54
We have made it quite clear to these people
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然後我們都很明白的回覆了那些人
00:56
that an infinite monkey cage is roomy.
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無限猴子籠是很寬廣的一個籠子
00:59
(Laughter)
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(笑)
01:01
We also had someone else who said,
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也有人說道
01:03
"'The Infinite Monkey Cage' idea is ridiculous.
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無限猴子理論是荒謬的
01:05
An infinite number of monkeys
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無限數量的猴子
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could never write the works of Shakespeare.
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不可能打出莎士比亞的作品
01:09
We know this because they did an experiment."
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我們是通過實驗知道的
01:12
Yes, they gave 12 monkeys a typewriter for a week,
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是這樣的, 他們給了12個猴子一台打字機
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and after a week, they only used it as a bathroom.
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過了一個星期,打字機只是被猴子當成了廁所
01:19
(Laughter)
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(笑)
01:21
So the main element though, the main complaint we get --
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雖然大多都是在抱怨我們的標題
01:23
and one that I find most worrying --
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但有一個我感覺很焦慮的抱怨
01:25
is that people say, "Oh, why do you insist
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是有人說道
01:28
on ruining the magic?
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爲什麽你總是毀滅我們的想像
01:30
You bring in science, and it ruins the magic."
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你帶來了科學,然後它完全破壞了幻想
01:32
Now I'm an arts graduate;
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好吧, 這樣說吧!我是一個念藝術的人
01:34
I love myth and magic
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我喜愛神話和幻想
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and existentialism and self-loathing.
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還有存在主義和自我厭惡
01:38
That's what I do.
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這就是我
01:40
But I also don't understand
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但是我還是不明白
01:42
how it does ruin the magic.
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科學是怎麼毀掉了幻想
01:44
All of the magic, I think,
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我認為所有的幻想
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that may well be taken away by science
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被科學證明其錯誤後
01:48
is then replaced by something as wonderful.
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都會被一個完美的東西代替掉
01:50
Astrology, for instance:
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比如說 占星學
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like many rationalists, I'm a Pisces.
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和很多理性主義者一樣我也是雙魚座
01:55
(Laughter)
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(笑)
01:58
Now astrology --
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占星學
02:00
we remove the banal idea
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我們廢棄了
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that your life could be predicted;
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我們的生活是可以被預知的古板的思想
02:04
that you'll, perhaps today, meet a lucky man
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像你今天可能碰到一個幸運的男人
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who's wearing a hat.
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一個戴帽子的男人
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That is gone.
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占星學已經過去了
02:10
But if we want to look at the sky and see predictions, we still can.
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但是假如我們觀測天空來預測點什麽,我們還是可以做到的
02:13
We can see predictions of galaxies forming,
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我們是可以預知星系的形成的
02:16
of galaxies colliding into each other, of new solar systems.
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兩個星系相互碰撞成為新的星系
02:19
This is a wonderful thing.
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這是一件極為美妙的事情
02:21
If the Sun could one day -- and indeed the Earth, in fact --
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假如太陽系有一天,舉說地球來說吧
02:24
if the Earth could read its own astrological, astronomical chart,
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假如地球人有一天能夠讀懂地球的星象,
02:28
one day it would say,
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有一天是有可能這樣的一幕的
02:30
"Not a good day for making plans.
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今天並不是一個做事的日子
02:32
You'll been engulfed by a red giant."
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你將會被紅巨星包圍
02:34
And that to me as well,
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我自己身上也能有這樣的例子
02:36
that if you think I'm worried about losing worlds,
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我其實在擔心消失的世界
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well Many Worlds theory --
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平行世界論 你知道的
02:41
one of the most beautiful, fascinating,
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從量子論中得出的
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sometimes terrifying ideas
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一個很有意思
02:46
from the quantum interpretation --
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有時有相當駭人的理論
02:48
is a wonderful thing.
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它是一個有趣的東西
02:50
That every person here, every decision that you've made today,
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我們每個人每天所作的決定
02:53
every decision you've made in your life,
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在你生活中的每個決定
02:55
you've not really made that decision,
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也許不是真的想要做那樣的決定
02:57
but in fact, every single permutation of those decisions
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但是實際上每個一決定間的置換
03:01
is made, each one going off into a new universe.
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那麼每個都會形成一個新的宇宙
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That is a wonderful idea.
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多麼奇妙的想法啊
03:06
If you ever think that your life is rubbish,
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假如你有想過你的生活很無聊
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always remember
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永遠記住
03:12
there's another you that's made much worse decisions than that.
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有那麼一個比你要慘的多的你
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
03:17
If you ever think, "Ah, I want to end it all,"
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你如何曾想過 我要結束這一切
03:19
don't end it all.
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別想不開
03:21
Remember that in the majority of universes,
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記住那裡還有宇宙的大多數
03:23
you don't even exist in the first place.
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你不是宇宙第一的存在
03:25
This to me, in its own strange way,
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雖然是個很奇怪的方法
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is very, very comforting.
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但是對我而言是很有效的自我安慰
03:30
Now reincarnation, that's another thing gone -- the afterlife.
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重生轉世,又是一個不在被相信的東西
03:32
But it's not gone.
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但是它還沒走
03:34
Science actually says
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是科學告訴我們
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we will live forever.
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我們是可以永生的
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Well, there is one proviso.
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但是這是有一個前提的
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We won't actually live forever. You won't live forever.
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我們其實不能永生 沒有誰可以
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Your consciousness, the you-ness of you, the me-ness of me --
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你的意識 你的自我 我的自我
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that gets this one go.
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這是會消失的
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But every single thing that makes us,
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但是組成我們的東西
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every atom in us,
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每個組成我們的原子
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has already created a myriad of different things
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是已經創造了各種東西的
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and will go on to create a myriad of new things.
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然後再將來還會繼續創造
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We have been mountains
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我們可能是山
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and apples and pulsars
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是蘋果 是脈衝星
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and other people's knees.
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是別人的膝蓋
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Who knows, maybe one of your atoms was once Napoleon's knee.
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可能你的原子回事拿破崙的膝蓋
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That is a good thing.
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這是件好事
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Unlike the occupants of the universe,
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宇宙並不像
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the universe itself is not wasteful.
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宇宙中的物質一樣是浪費的
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We are all totally recyclable.
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我們是完全可回收的
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And when we die,
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但我們死了
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we don't even have to be placed in different refuse sacs.
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我們不必把我們自己分類裝入不同的回收袋
04:24
This is a wonderful thing.
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這太有趣了
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Understanding, to me,
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真的
04:28
does not remove the wonder and the joy.
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我並不是想否奇蹟和幻想
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For instance, my wife could turn to me and she may say,
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比如 我老婆會問我
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"Why do you love me?"
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我爲什麽愛他
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And I can with all honesty
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然後我會十分真誠的
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look her in the eye and say,
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看著她的眼睛然後說
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"Because our pheromones
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因為我們的費洛蒙
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matched our olfactory receptors."
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和我們的嗅覺神經是相匹配的
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
04:48
Though I'll probably also say something
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可能我還會說點別的
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about her hair and personality as well.
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比如她的頭髮和個性
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And that is a wonderful thing there.
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我這樣回答是有好處的
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Love does not die because of that thing.
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因為如此 愛情是永恆的
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Pain doesn't go away either.
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疼痛一樣是不會消失的
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This is a terrible thing, even though I understand pain.
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只是一件可怕的事情 儘管我理解疼痛
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If someone punches me --
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假如有人因為我的性格
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and because of my personality,
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打了我一拳
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this is recently a regular occurrence --
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這是最近經常發生的事情
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I understand where the pain comes from.
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我知道疼痛是從哪裡來的
05:09
It is basically momentum to energy
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而且其本身只不過是動能所轉換出的能量
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where the four-vector is constant -- that's what it is.
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同時四維能量守恆的概念而起
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But at no point can I react and go,
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但是我不可能這樣回應他啊
05:16
"Ha! Is that the best momentum-to-energy fourth vector constant you've got?"
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嘿 這就是你能做到的最好的動能轉換以維持四維能量守恆嗎?
05:21
No, I just spit out a tooth.
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當然不可能啊 我只會吐出一顆牙齒
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
05:25
And that is all of these different things -- the love for my child.
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這就是以上這些不同的事
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I have a son. His name is Archie.
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我對我孩子的愛 我有個孩子就阿奇
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I'm very lucky,
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我很幸運
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because he's better than all the other children.
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因為他比任何一個小孩都要好
05:34
Now I know you don't think that.
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我知道你可能不那樣想
05:36
You may well have your own children
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你可能有你自己的小孩
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and think, "Oh no, my child's best."
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並認為:我的才是最棒的
05:41
That's the wonderful thing about evolution --
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這就是進化的美妙了
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the predilection to believe
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大家都傾向於相信
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that our child is best.
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我的孩子最棒
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Now in many ways, that's just a survival thing.
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但是從很多方面來說 那隻不過是生存的問題
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The fact we see here is the vehicle for our genes,
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實際上我們眼中看到的是我們基因的遺傳者
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and therefore we love it.
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然後我們回去愛它
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But we don't notice that bit; we just unconditionally love.
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但是我們並沒有注意到這點 我們就無條件的去愛了
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That is a wonderful thing.
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這是一件多麼好的事
06:00
Though I should say that my son is best
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但是我還是要說我兒子好
06:02
and is better than your children.
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比你們的都好
06:05
I've done some tests.
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我做了這樣一些實驗
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And all of these things to me
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然後這些東西
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give such joy and excitement and wonder.
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給了我很多快樂和幻想
06:12
Even quantum mechanics can give you an excuse
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甚至量子理論都可以幫你找到一個理由
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for bad housework, for instance.
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比如說相當糟的家務
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Perhaps you've been at home for a week on your own.
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也許你一個人在家待了一個星期
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You house is in a terrible state.
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你家的房子相當的亂
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Your partner is about to return.
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然後你的伴侶要回來了
06:24
You think, what should I do?
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你認為我該幹什麼
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Do nothing.
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什麽也別做
06:28
All you have to do
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你要做的就是
06:30
is, when she walks in, using a quantum interpretation,
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當她向你說教時,你可以用上量子理論
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say, "I'm so sorry.
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說:對不起
06:34
I stopped observing the house for a moment,
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我停止觀察這個房間有一段時間了
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and when I started observing again,
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但我再次觀察時
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everything had happened."
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所有的事情發生了
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
06:42
That's the strong anthropic principle of vacuuming.
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這就是在真空下強烈的人擇原理
06:46
For me, it's a very, very important thing.
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對我來說快樂真的是一件很重要的事啊
06:48
Even on my journey up here --
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從我活到現在
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the joy that I have on my journey up here every single time.
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從我活到現在每一次都很快樂
06:52
If you actually think, you remove the myth and there is still something wonderful.
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如果屏除你的迷思你仔細想一想你扔然還有許多美好的事情
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I'm sitting on a train.
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我現在就在一個火車上
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Every time I breathe in,
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每一次我呼吸
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I'm breathing in a million-billion-billion
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我都呼入了 無數的
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atoms of oxygen.
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氧原子
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I'm sitting on a chair.
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我坐在椅子上
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Even though I know the chair is made of atoms
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就算我知道 椅子只不過是由原子構成的
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and therefore actually in many ways empty space,
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而且有很多的空隙
07:09
I find it comfortable.
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但是我感覺它很舒服
07:11
I look out the window, and I realize
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我往窗戶外面看 然後我發現
07:13
that every single time we stop and I look out that window,
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每一次我們停下來看向窗外
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framed in that window,
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鑲在窗戶上的
07:17
wherever we are,
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景象
07:19
I am observing more life
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我正在看比除了地球以外已知宇宙中
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than there is in the rest of the known universe
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所有東西加起來
07:24
beyond the planet Earth.
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還顯得生機盎然
07:26
If you go to the safari parks
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假如你去到在土星
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on Saturn or Jupiter,
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或者冥王星上的徒步公園
07:30
you will be disappointed.
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你將會相當失望
07:32
And I realize I'm observing this
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然後是我發現了我在觀察這個
07:34
with the brain, the human brain,
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用的腦袋 人腦
07:36
the most complex thing in the known universe.
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在已知宇宙中最為複雜的東西
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That, to me, is an incredible thing.
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這對我而已是不可思議的
07:41
And do you know what, that might be enough.
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你知道你在做什麽 這已經不可思議了
07:44
Steven Weinberg, the Nobel laureate, once said,
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史蒂夫溫伯格 諾貝爾的得獎人曾說過
07:47
"The more the universe seems comprehensible,
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宇宙越是看起來能理解
07:49
the more it seems pointless."
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就越是沒有意義
07:51
Now for some people,
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現在這句話
07:53
that seems to lead to an idea of nihilism.
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對有些人理解成了虛無主義
07:55
But for me, it doesn't. That is a wonderful thing.
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但是對我不是這樣的 這是件美好的事
07:58
I'm glad the universe is pointless.
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我很高興宇宙是不能定論的
08:00
It means if I get to the end of my life,
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這就意味著 當我死的時候
08:02
the universe can't turn to me and go, "What have you been doing, you idiot?
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有種不看能對我說 傻子 你做了什麽啊
08:05
That's not the point."
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這都是無意義的
08:07
I can make my own purpose.
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我可以做我自己的打算
08:09
You can make your own purpose.
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你可以有你的想法
08:11
We have the individual power
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我們每個人都有能力
08:13
to go, "This is what I want to do."
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說 這是我想要的
08:15
And in a pointless universe, that, to me, is a wonderful thing.
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在這沒有定論的宇宙中 這樣的感覺 對我是很有趣的事
08:18
I have chosen to make silly jokes
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我選擇了對量子論
08:20
about quantum mechanics and the Copenhagen interpretation.
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和哥本哈根的理論做些愚蠢的笑話
08:23
You, I imagine, can do much better things with your time.
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我認為你們肯定可以用你們的時間做些更有價值的事
08:26
Thank you very much. Goodbye.
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謝謝大家 再見
08:28
(Applause)
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