Robin Ince: Science versus wonder?

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I'd like to apologize, first of all, to all of you

Prije svega, htio bih se svima ispričati

because I have no form

zato što nemam

of PowerPoint presentation.

nikakvu PowerPoint prezentaciju.

So what I'm going to do

Tako da ono što ću učiniti je

is, every now and again, I will make this gesture,

da ću svako malo napraviti ovu gestu,

and in a moment of PowerPoint democracy,

i u trenutku PowerPoint demokracije,

you can imagine what you'd like to see.

možete zamisliti ono što vi želite vidjeti.

I do a radio show.

Vodim radio emisiju.

The radio show is called "The Infinite Monkey Cage."

Emisija se zove "Kavez beskrajnog majmuna."

It's about science, it's about rationalism.

O znanosti je, i o racionalizmu.

So therefore, we get a lot of complaints

U skladu s tim dobivamo mnogo pritužbi

every single week --

baš svaki tjedan --

complaints including one we get very often,

uključujući i jednu koju dobivamo jako često,

which is to say the very title, "Infinite Monkey Cage,"

a ta je da sam naziv, "Kavez beskrajnog majmuna,"

celebrates the idea of vivisection.

slavi ideju vivisekcije.

We have made it quite clear to these people

Razjasnili smo tim ljudima

that an infinite monkey cage is roomy.

da je kavez beskrajnog majmuna prostran.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

We also had someone else who said,

Također nam je netko rekao,

"'The Infinite Monkey Cage' idea is ridiculous.

"Ideja "Kaveza beskrajnog majmuna" je besmislena.

An infinite number of monkeys

Neograničen broj majmuna

could never write the works of Shakespeare.

nikad ne bi mogao napisati Shakespearova djela.

We know this because they did an experiment."

Znamo to zato što su napravili pokus."

Yes, they gave 12 monkeys a typewriter for a week,

Da, dali su pisaći stroj 12-orici majmuna na tjedan dana,

and after a week, they only used it as a bathroom.

i nakon tjedan dana, koristili su je samo kao zahod.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

So the main element though, the main complaint we get --

Tako da je glavni element, glavna pritužba koju dobivamo --

and one that I find most worrying --

i ona koja me najviše zabrinjava --

is that people say, "Oh, why do you insist

je da ljudi kažu: "Pa, zašto inzistirate

on ruining the magic?

na uništavanju čarolije?

You bring in science, and it ruins the magic."

Donosite znanost, i to uništava čaroliju."

Now I'm an arts graduate;

Sad, ja sam diplomirao umjetnost,

I love myth and magic

obožavam mitove i čaroliju

and existentialism and self-loathing.

i egzistencijalizam i samoprijezir.

That's what I do.

To ja radim.

But I also don't understand

Ali isto tako razumijem

how it does ruin the magic.

kako to uništava čaroliju.

All of the magic, I think,

Sva čarolija, ja mislim,

that may well be taken away by science

koju znanost može odnijeti

is then replaced by something as wonderful.

je zamijenjena nečim jednako divnim.

Astrology, for instance:

Astrologija, primjerice:

like many rationalists, I'm a Pisces.

kao i mnogo racionalista, ja sam riba.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Now astrology --

Dakle astrologija --

we remove the banal idea

uklanjamo banalnu ideju

that your life could be predicted;

da se vaš život može predvidjeti,

that you'll, perhaps today, meet a lucky man

da ćete, možda danas, upoznati srećkovića

who's wearing a hat.

koji nosi šešir.

That is gone.

Toga nema.

But if we want to look at the sky and see predictions, we still can.

Ali ako želimo pogledati u nebo i predviđati, još možemo.

We can see predictions of galaxies forming,

Možemo vidjeti predviđanja o formiranju galaksija,

of galaxies colliding into each other, of new solar systems.

o galaksijama koje se sudaraju, o novim solarnim sustavima.

This is a wonderful thing.

To je predivna stvar.

If the Sun could one day -- and indeed the Earth, in fact --

Ako bi jedan dan sunce moglo -- zapravo, i Zemlja --

if the Earth could read its own astrological, astronomical chart,

ako bi Zemlja mogla pročitati svoju vlastitu astrološku astronomsku kartu,

one day it would say,

jednog dana bi mogla reći:

"Not a good day for making plans.

"Nije dobar dan za planiranje.

You'll been engulfed by a red giant."

Crveni div će te progutati."

And that to me as well,

I meni isto tako,

that if you think I'm worried about losing worlds,

ako mislite da sam zabrinut zbog gubitka svjetova,

well Many Worlds theory --

zapravo Teorije o mnogo svjetova --

one of the most beautiful, fascinating,

jedna od najljepših, najfascinantnijih,

sometimes terrifying ideas

ponekad i najstrašnijih ideja

from the quantum interpretation --

iz kvantne interpretacije --

is a wonderful thing.

je predivna stvar.

That every person here, every decision that you've made today,

To da svaka osoba ovdje, svaka odluka koju ste danas donijeli,

every decision you've made in your life,

svaka odluka koju ste u životu donijeli,

you've not really made that decision,

zapravo niste donijeli tu odluku,

but in fact, every single permutation of those decisions

ali u stvari, ama baš svaka promjena tih odluka

is made, each one going off into a new universe.

je donešena, svaka je otišla u novi svemir.

That is a wonderful idea.

To je predivna ideja.

If you ever think that your life is rubbish,

Ako ste ikad pomislili da je život besmislica,

always remember

uvijek se sjetite

there's another you that's made much worse decisions than that.

da postoji drugi vi koji je donio puno goru odluku.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

If you ever think, "Ah, I want to end it all,"

Ako ikad pomislite: "Htio bih završiti sa svim tim,"

don't end it all.

nemojte to završiti.

Remember that in the majority of universes,

Sjetite se da u većini svemira,

you don't even exist in the first place.

uopće ni ne postojite.

This to me, in its own strange way,

Ovo je meni, na svoj čudan način,

is very, very comforting.

jako, jako utješno.

Now reincarnation, that's another thing gone -- the afterlife.

Reinkarnacija pak, to je druga stvar koje nema -- život poslije smrti.

But it's not gone.

Ali nije nestao.

Science actually says

Znanost zapravo kaže

we will live forever.

da živimo zauvijek.

Well, there is one proviso.

Pa, postoji jedna klauzula.

We won't actually live forever. You won't live forever.

Nećemo stvarno živjeti zauvijek. Nećete živjeti zauvijek.

Your consciousness, the you-ness of you, the me-ness of me --

Vaša svijest, ono što vas čini vama, mene mnom --

that gets this one go.

to dobije -- ovo ide.

But every single thing that makes us,

Ali ama baš svaka stvar koja nas sačinjava,

every atom in us,

svaki atom u nama,

has already created a myriad of different things

je već stvorio mnoštvo različitih stvari

and will go on to create a myriad of new things.

i nastavit će stvarati mnoštvo novih stvari.

We have been mountains

Bili smo planine

and apples and pulsars

i jabuke i pulsari

and other people's knees.

i koljena drugih ljudi.

Who knows, maybe one of your atoms was once Napoleon's knee.

Tko zna, možda je jedan od vaših atoma bio Napoleonovo koljeno.

That is a good thing.

To bi bilo dobro.

Unlike the occupants of the universe,

Za razliku od stanovnika svemira,

the universe itself is not wasteful.

sam svemir nije rasipan.

We are all totally recyclable.

Svi smo u potpunosti ponovno iskoristivi.

And when we die,

I kad umremo,

we don't even have to be placed in different refuse sacs.

čak se ni ne moramo smjestiti u razne vreće za otpatke.

This is a wonderful thing.

To je divno.

Understanding, to me,

Prema meni, razumijevanje

does not remove the wonder and the joy.

ne uklanja svo čudo i radost.

For instance, my wife could turn to me and she may say,

Na primjer, moja žena bi se mogla okrenuti i reći:

"Why do you love me?"

"Zašto me voliš?"

And I can with all honesty

I potpuno iskreno je mogu

look her in the eye and say,

pogledati u oči i reći,

"Because our pheromones

"Zbog toga što su se naši feromoni

matched our olfactory receptors."

složili s našim njušnim osjetilima."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Though I'll probably also say something

Iako ću vjerojatno reći i nešto

about her hair and personality as well.

o njenoj kosi i osobnosti također.

And that is a wonderful thing there.

I to je divna stvar u svemu.

Love does not die because of that thing.

Ljubav ne umire zbog toga.

Pain doesn't go away either.

Ni bol ne odlazi.

This is a terrible thing, even though I understand pain.

To je grozno, iako razumijem bol.

If someone punches me --

Ako me netko udari --

and because of my personality,

a zbog moje osobnosti,

this is recently a regular occurrence --

ovo je česta pojava u posljednje vrijeme --

I understand where the pain comes from.

razumijem odakle dolazi bol.

It is basically momentum to energy

To je u osnovi moment energije

where the four-vector is constant -- that's what it is.

u kojem su četiri vektora konstanta -- to je to.

But at no point can I react and go,

Ali ni u jednom trenu ne mogu reagirati i reći:

"Ha! Is that the best momentum-to-energy fourth vector constant you've got?"

"A-ha! Je li to najbolja konstanta četiri vektora momenta energije koji imaš?"

No, I just spit out a tooth.

Ne, samo ispljunem zub.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And that is all of these different things -- the love for my child.

I to su sve ove različite stvari -- ljubav za moje dijete.

I have a son. His name is Archie.

Imam sina. Zove se Archie.

I'm very lucky,

Jako sam sretan,

because he's better than all the other children.

zato što je on bolji od sve ostale djece.

Now I know you don't think that.

Znam da vi to ne mislite.

You may well have your own children

Možda imate i svoju djecu

and think, "Oh no, my child's best."

i mislite: "A, ne, moje dijete je najbolje."

That's the wonderful thing about evolution --

To je divna stvar kod evolucije --

the predilection to believe

sklonost vjerovanju

that our child is best.

da je naše dijete najbolje.

Now in many ways, that's just a survival thing.

I u mnogo načina, to je samo stvar preživljavanja.

The fact we see here is the vehicle for our genes,

Činjenica koju tu vidimo je sredstvo za naše gene,

and therefore we love it.

i zbog toga je volimo.

But we don't notice that bit; we just unconditionally love.

Ali to uopće ne primjećujemo; jedino bezuvjetno volimo.

That is a wonderful thing.

To je divna stvar.

Though I should say that my son is best

Iako, morao bih reći da je moj sin najbolji

and is better than your children.

i da je bolji od vaš djece.

I've done some tests.

Testirao samo to.

And all of these things to me

I sve ove stvari mi

give such joy and excitement and wonder.

daju takav užitak i uzbuđenje i zadivljenost.

Even quantum mechanics can give you an excuse

Svaki kvantum mehanike vam može dati izgovor

for bad housework, for instance.

za loše obavljanje kućanskih poslova, na primjer.

Perhaps you've been at home for a week on your own.

Možda ste tjedan dana bili sami kod kuće.

You house is in a terrible state.

Kuća vam je u strašnom stanju.

Your partner is about to return.

Vaš partner će se upravo vratiti.

You think, what should I do?

Mislite, što da napravim?

Do nothing.

Ne činite ništa.

All you have to do

Sve što morate napravite je

is, when she walks in, using a quantum interpretation,

da, kad ona uđe, koristeći kvantnu interpretaciju,

say, "I'm so sorry.

kažete: "Tako mi je žao.

I stopped observing the house for a moment,

Prestao sam promatrati kuću na tren,

and when I started observing again,

i kad sam opet počeo gledati,

everything had happened."

sve se dogodilo."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

That's the strong anthropic principle of vacuuming.

To je snažan ljudski princip vakumiranja.

For me, it's a very, very important thing.

Za mene, to je jako, jako važno.

Even on my journey up here --

Čak i na putu do ovamo --

the joy that I have on my journey up here every single time.

užitak koji osjećam na putu do ovamo baš svaki put.

If you actually think, you remove the myth and there is still something wonderful.

Ako stvarno mislite, uklonite mit i tu je još uvijek nešto predivno.

I'm sitting on a train.

Sjedim u vlaku.

Every time I breathe in,

Svaki put kad udahnem,

I'm breathing in a million-billion-billion

udišem milijune milijardi milijardi

atoms of oxygen.

atoma kisika.

I'm sitting on a chair.

Sjedim na stolici.

Even though I know the chair is made of atoms

Iako znam da je stolica napravljena od atoma

and therefore actually in many ways empty space,

i stoga zapravo na mnogo načina prazan prostor,

I find it comfortable.

osjećam da je udobna.

I look out the window, and I realize

Pogledam kroz prozor, i shvatim

that every single time we stop and I look out that window,

da baš svaki put kad zastanem i pogledam kroz taj prozor,

framed in that window,

uokviren u taj prozor,

wherever we are,

gdje god da jesmo,

I am observing more life

promatram više života

than there is in the rest of the known universe

nego što ga ima u ostatku poznatog svemira

beyond the planet Earth.

izvan planeta Zemlje.

If you go to the safari parks

Ako odete u safari park

on Saturn or Jupiter,

na Saturnu ili Jupiteru,

you will be disappointed.

bit ćete razočarani.

And I realize I'm observing this

I shvaćam da to promatram

with the brain, the human brain,

pomoću mozga, ljudskog mozga,

the most complex thing in the known universe.

najsloženije stvari u znanom svemiru.

That, to me, is an incredible thing.

To je, prema meni, nevjerojatno.

And do you know what, that might be enough.

I znate što, to bi moglo biti dovoljno.

Steven Weinberg, the Nobel laureate, once said,

Steven Weinberg, dobitnik Nobela, je jednom rekao,

"The more the universe seems comprehensible,

"Što se svemir čini razumljivijim,

the more it seems pointless."

više se čini besmislenim."

Now for some people,

Sad, za neke ljude,

that seems to lead to an idea of nihilism.

čini se da to vodi ideji nihilizma.

But for me, it doesn't. That is a wonderful thing.

Ali za mene, to nije tako. To je predivna stvar.

I'm glad the universe is pointless.

Drago mi je da je svemir besmislen.

It means if I get to the end of my life,

To znači da ću doći do kraja svog života,

the universe can't turn to me and go, "What have you been doing, you idiot?

svemir se ne može okrenuti i reći: "Što si to činio, idiote?

That's not the point."

Nije u tome bit."

I can make my own purpose.

Mogu sam stvoriti svoju svrhu.

You can make your own purpose.

Vi možete stvoriti svoju svrhu.

We have the individual power

Imamo pojedinačnu moć

to go, "This is what I want to do."

da kažemo: "Ovo je ono što želim činiti."

And in a pointless universe, that, to me, is a wonderful thing.

I u besmislenom svemiru, prema meni, to je predivna stvar.

I have chosen to make silly jokes

Odlučio sam glupavo se šaliti

about quantum mechanics and the Copenhagen interpretation.

o kvantnoj mehanici i Kopenhaškoj interpretaciji.

You, I imagine, can do much better things with your time.

Vi, vjerujem, možete činiti mnogo bolje stvari sa svojim vremenom.

Thank you very much. Goodbye.

Puno vam hvala. Zbogom.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)