Alan Russell: The potential of regenerative medicine

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Prevodilac: Jelena Sijan Lektor: Mateja Nenadovic
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I'm going to talk to you today about
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Danas ću vam pričati
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hopefully converting fear into hope.
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u nadi da ću preobraziti strah u nadu.
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When we go to the physician today --
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Kada idemo kod lekara danas,
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when we go to the doctor's office and we walk in,
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kada uđemo u doktorsku ordinaciju,
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there are words that we just don't want to hear.
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ima reči koje jednostavno ne želimo da čujemo.
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There are words that we're truly afraid of.
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Ima reči kojih se istinski plašimo.
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Diabetes, cancer, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's,
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Dijabetes, rak, Parkinsonova bolest, Alchajmerova bolest.
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heart failure, lung failure --
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otkazivanje srca, otkazivanje pluća.
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things that we know are debilitating diseases,
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Stvari za koje znamo da su onesposobljavajuće bolesti,
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for which there's relatively little that can be done.
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za koje ima relativno malo toga što može da se uradi.
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And what I want to lay out for you today is
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I ono što želim danas da vam predstavim
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a different way of thinking about how to treat debilitating disease,
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je drugačiji način razmišljanja o tome kako da lečimo onesposobljavajuće bolesti,
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why it's important,
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zašto je to važno.
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why without it perhaps our health care system will melt down
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Zašto će se bez njega, možda, naš zdravstveni sistem raspasti,
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if you think it already hasn't,
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ako mislite da već nije.
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and where we are clinically today, and where we might go tomorrow,
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Gde smo klinički sada i gde bismo mogli biti sutra
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and what some of the hurdles are.
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i koje su neke od prepreka.
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And we're going to do all of that in 18 minutes, I promise.
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I to ćemo sve uraditi za 18 minuta, obećavam.
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I want to start with this slide,
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Želim da počnem sa ovim slajdom,
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because this slide sort of tells the story the way Science Magazine thinks of it.
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jer ovaj slajd nekako priča priču na način na koji o njoj misli "Sajens" magazin.
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This was an issue from 2002
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Ovo je izdanje iz 2002.
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that they published with a lot of different articles on the bionic human.
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koje su izdali sa puno različitih članaka o bionskom čoveku.
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It was basically a regenerative medicine issue.
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Ovo je, u suštini, broj o regenerativnoj medicini.
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Regenerative medicine is an extraordinarily simple concept
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Regenerativna medicina je izuzetno jednostavan koncept
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that everybody can understand.
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koji svako moze da razume.
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It's simply accelerating the pace at which the body heals itself
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To je jednostavno ubrzavanje procesa kojim se telo samo leči
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to a clinically relevant timescale.
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do klinički značajne brzine.
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So we know how to do this in many of the ways that are up there.
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Mi to znamo da radimo na mnogo načina koji su tu.
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We know that if we have a damaged hip, you can put an artificial hip in.
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Mi znamo da ako imamo oštećen kuk, možemo ugraditi veštački kuk.
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And this is the idea that Science Magazine used on their front cover.
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I to je ideja koju je "Sajens" magazin koristio na svojoj naslovnoj strani.
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This is the complete antithesis of regenerative medicine.
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To je potpuna antiteza regenerativne medicine.
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This is not regenerative medicine.
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To nije regenerativna medicina.
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Regenerative medicine is what Business Week put up
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Regenerativna medicina je ono što je "Biznis vik" stavio
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when they did a story about regenerative medicine not too long ago.
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kada je, ne tako davno,radio priču o regenerativnoj medicini.
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The idea is that instead of figuring out how to ameliorate symptoms
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Ideja je da umesto da pokušavamo da ublažimo simptome
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with devices and drugs and the like --
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sa spravama i lekovima i slično -
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and I'll come back to that theme a few times --
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i vratiću se na tu temu nekoliko puta -
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instead of doing that, we will regenerate lost function of the body
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umesto da to radimo, mi ćemo regenerisati izgubljenu funkciju tela
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by regenerating the function of organs and damaged tissue.
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tako što ćemo regenerisati funkciju organa ili oštećenog tkiva.
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So that at the end of the treatment,
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Tako da ste na kraju tretmana
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you are the same as you were at the beginning of the treatment.
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isti kao što ste bili na početku.
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Very few good ideas -- if you agree that this is a good idea --
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Veoma malo dobrih ideja - ako se slažete da je ovo dobra ideja-
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very few good ideas are truly novel.
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veoma malo dobrih ideja je zaista inovativno.
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And this is just the same.
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I ovo je isto.
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If you look back in history,
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Ako pogledate unazad kroz istoriju,
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Charles Lindbergh, who was better known for flying airplanes,
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Čarls Lindberg koji je bio poznat po letenju avionima je,
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was actually one of the first people
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u stvari bio jedan od prvih ljudi,
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along with Alexis Carrel, one of the Nobel Laureates from Rockefeller,
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zajedno sa Aleksis Karnel-om, jednim od Nobelovih laureata od Rokfelera,
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to begin to think about, could you culture organs?
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koji su počeli da razmišljaju o mogućnosti uzgajaja organa.
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And they published this book in 1937,
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I objavili su ovu knjigu 1937.,
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where they actually began to think about,
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u kojoj su počeli da razmišljaju
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what could you do in bio-reactors to grow whole organs?
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o tome šta bi se moglo uraditi u bio-reaktorima da bi se uzgajili celi organi?
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We've come a long way since then.
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Od tada smo prešli dugačak put.
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I'm going to share with you some of the exciting work that's going on.
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Podeliću sa vama nešto od uzbudljivog rada koji se odvija.
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But before doing that, what I'd like to do
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Ali pre toga, ono što bih želeo da uradim
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is share my depression about the health care system
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je da sa vama podelim moju tugu u vezi sa
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and the need for this with you.
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sistemom zdravstvene zaštite i potrebe za njim.
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Many of the talks yesterday talked about
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Mnogi govori juče su pričali o
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improving the quality of life, and reducing poverty,
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popravljanju kvaliteta života i smanjenju siromaštva.
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and essentially increasing life expectancy all around the globe.
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I suštinski o produženju životnog veka svuda na svetu.
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One of the challenges is that the richer we are, the longer we live.
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Jedan od izazova je da što smo bogatiji, duže živimo.
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And the longer we live, the more expensive it is
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I što duže živimo, to je skuplje
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to take care of our diseases as we get older.
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da se lečimo kako starimo.
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This is simply the wealth of a country
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To je jednostavno bogatstvo zemlje
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versus the percent of population over the age of 65.
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naspram procenta stanovništva preko 65 godina.
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And you can basically see that the richer a country is,
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I u stvari vidite da što je zemlja bogatija,
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the older the people are within it.
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to su ljudi u njoj stariji.
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Why is this important?
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Zašto je to važno?
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And why is this a particularly dramatic challenge right now?
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I zašto je to sada posebno dramatičan izazov?
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If the average age of your population is 30,
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Ako je prosečna starost našeg stanovništva 30,
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then the average kind of disease that you have to treat
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onda je prosečna vrsta bolesti koju treba lečiti
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is maybe a broken ankle every now and again,
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možda polomljen zglob s vremena na vreme,
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maybe a little bit of asthma.
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možda malo astme.
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If the average age in your country is 45 to 55,
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Ako je prosečna starost stanovništva 45 do 55,
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now the average person is looking at diabetes,
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sada prosečnu osobu čekaju dijabetes,
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early-onset diabetes, heart failure, coronary artery disease --
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pred-dijabetes, otkazivanje srca, bolest koronarnih arterija.
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things that are inherently more difficult to treat,
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Stvari koje se mnogo teže leče,
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and much more expensive to treat.
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i koje je skuplje lečiti.
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Just have a look at the demographics in the U.S. here.
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Samo pogledajte demografiju SAD-a.
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This is from "The Untied States of America."
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Ovo je iz "Sjedinjenih američkih država".
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In 1930, there were 41 workers per retiree.
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1930. je bio 41 radnik po penzioneru.
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41 people who were basically outside of being really sick,
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41 čovek koji nije bio bolestan,
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paying for the one retiree who was experiencing debilitating disease.
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i koji je plaćao za jednog penzionera koji je bolovao od onesposobljavajuće bolesti.
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In 2010, two workers per retiree in the U.S.
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U 2010. ima dva radnika po penzioneru u SAD-u.
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And this is matched in every industrialized, wealthy country in the world.
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I to je tako u svakoj industrijalizovanoj, bogatoj zemlji na svetu.
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How can you actually afford to treat patients
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Kako možemo zaista da priuštimo da lečimo pacijente,
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when the reality of getting old looks like this?
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kada ovako izgleda realnost starenja?
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This is age versus cost of health care.
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Ovo je starost naspram troškova zdravstvene nege.
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And you can see that right around age 45, 40 to 45,
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I može se videti da upravo oko 45. godine, od 40. do 45.,
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there's a sudden spike in the cost of health care.
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nastaje iznenadni porast troškova zdravstvene nege.
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It's actually quite interesting. If you do the right studies,
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U stvari je veoma interesantno - ako uradite prave studije,
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you can look at how much you as an individual spend on your own health care,
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možete videti koliko vi, kao individua, trošite na sopstveno zdravstveno osiguranje,
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plotted over your lifetime.
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tokom vašeg životnog veka.
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And about seven years before you're about to die, there's a spike.
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I sedam godina pre vaše smrti dešava se nagli porast.
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And you can actually --
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I možete u stvari -
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
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-- we won't get into that.
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- nećemo ulaziti u to.
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
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There are very few things, very few things that you can really do
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Ima malo stvari, vrlo malo stvari koje stvarno možete uraditi
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that will change the way that you can treat these kinds of diseases
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koje će promeniti način na koji se tretiraju ove bolesti
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and experience what I would call healthy aging.
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i iskusiti ono što bih ja nazvao, zdravo starenje.
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I'd suggest there are four things,
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Predložio bih da postoje četiri stvari.
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and none of these things include an insurance system or a legal system.
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I nijedna od njih ne uključuje sistem osiguranja ili pravni sistem.
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All those things do is change who pays.
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Sve što te stvari rade je menjaju ko plaća.
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They don't actually change what the actual cost of the treatment is.
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One zapravo ne menjaju cenu lečenja.
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One thing you can do is not treat. You can ration health care.
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Jedna stvar koju mozete uraditi je da se ne lečite. Možete podeliti zdravstvenu negu.
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We won't talk about that anymore. It's too depressing.
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O tome nećemo dalje pričati.Suviše je deprimirajuće.
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You can prevent.
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Možete vršiti prevenciju.
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Obviously a lot of monies should be put into prevention.
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Očigledno dosta novca treba uložiti u prevenciju.
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But perhaps most interesting, to me anyway, and most important,
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Ali možda najinteresantnije, za mene bar, i najvažnije,
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is the idea of diagnosing a disease much earlier on in the progression,
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je ideja o uspostavljanju dijagnoze bolesti u početnom stadijumu,
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and then treating the disease to cure the disease
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a onda lečenju bolesti da bi se bolest potpuno izlečila,
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instead of treating a symptom.
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umesto lečenja simptoma.
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Think of it in terms of diabetes, for instance.
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Razmišljajte o tome na primeru dijabetesa.
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Today, with diabetes, what do we do?
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Šta danas radimo sa dijabetesom?
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We diagnose the disease eventually, once it becomes symptomatic,
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Dijagnoziramo bolest tek kada se ispolje simptomi,
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and then we treat the symptom for 10, 20, 30, 40 years.
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a onda lečimo simptome 10, 20, 30, 40 godina.
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And we do OK. Insulin's a pretty good therapy.
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I to radimo dobro. Insulin je prilično dobra terapija.
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But eventually it stops working,
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Ali to na kraju prestane da deluje
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and diabetes leads to a predictable onset of debilitating disease.
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i dijabetes vodi predvidljivom početku onesposobljavajuće bolesti.
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Why couldn't we just inject the pancreas with something
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Zašto ne bismo mogli ubrizgati u pankreas nešto
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to regenerate the pancreas early on in the disease,
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što bi regenerisalo pankreas na početku bolesti
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perhaps even before it was symptomatic?
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možda još pre nego što se ispolje simptomi?
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And it might be a little bit expensive at the time that we did it,
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I možda bi to bilo malo skuplje u vreme kada bismo ga radili,
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but if it worked, we would truly be able to do something different.
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ali ako bi uspelo, mogli bismo stvarno da uradimo nešto drugačije.
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This video, I think, gets across the concept that I'm talking about quite dramatically.
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Mislim da ovaj video, prilično dramatično prenosi koncept o kome pričam .
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This is a newt re-growing its limb.
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Ovo je gušter, kome ponovo raste noga.
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If a newt can do this kind of thing, why can't we?
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Ako gušter može to da uradi zašto mi ne možemo?
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I'll actually show you some more important features
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Pokazaću vam, u stvari, neke važnije odlike
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about limb regeneration in a moment.
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regeneracije uda za koji trenutak.
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But what we're talking about in regenerative medicine
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Ali ono o čemu pričamo u regenerativnoj medicini
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is doing this in every organ system of the body,
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je da ovo uradimo u svakom sistemu organa u telu,
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for tissues and for organs themselves.
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za tkiva i same organe.
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So today's reality is that if we get sick,
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Tako da je današnja stvarnost ako se razbolimo,
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the message is we will treat your symptoms,
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poruka je da će nam lečiti simptome,
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and you need to adjust to a new way of life.
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i mi ćemo se morati navići na nov način života.
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I would pose to you that tomorrow --
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Zaintrigiraću vas sa činjenicom da ćemo sutra -
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and when tomorrow is we could debate,
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a kada je sutra, o tome možemo diskutovati,
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but it's within the foreseeable future --
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ali je u doglednoj budućnosti -
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we will talk about regenerative rehabilitation.
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razgovarati o regenerativnoj rehabilitaciji.
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There's a limb prosthetic up here,
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Ovde je proteza za nogu,
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similar actually one on the soldier
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slična onoj koju vojnik
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that's come back from Iraq.
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koji je došao iz Iraka...
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There are 370 soldiers that have come back from Iraq that have lost limbs.
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ima 370 vojnika koji su došli iz Iraka bez udova.
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Imagine if instead of facing that, they could actually
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Zamislite da umesto da se suočavaju sa tim, oni mogu, u stvari
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face the regeneration of that limb.
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da se suoče sa regeneracijom uda.
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It's a wild concept.
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To je neverovatan pojam.
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I'll show you where we are at the moment in working towards that concept.
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Pokazaću vam gde se trenutno nalazimo sa radom na tom pojmu.
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But it's applicable, again, to every organ system.
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Ali to se može primeniti, ponavljam, na svaki sistem organa.
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How can we do that?
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Kako to možemo da uradimo?
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The way to do that is to develop a conversation with the body.
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Način da to uradimo je da razvijemo komunikaciju sa telom.
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We need to learn to speak the body's language.
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Moramo naučiti da pričamo jezik tela.
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And to switch on processes that we knew how to do when we were a fetus.
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I da uključimo procese koje smo znali kako da radimo kada smo bili fetusi.
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A mammalian fetus, if it loses a limb during the first trimester of pregnancy,
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Ako fetus sisara izgubi ud tokom prvog tromesečja trudnoće,
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will re-grow that limb.
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ponovo će mu izrasti.
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So our DNA has the capacity to do these kinds of wound-healing mechanisms.
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Tako da naša DNK ima kapacitet da aktivira te mehanizme lečenja rana.
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It's a natural process,
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To je prirodan proces,
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but it is lost as we age.
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ali nestaje kako starimo.
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In a child, before the age of about six months,
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Ako dete starosti oko šest meseci
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if they lose their fingertip in an accident,
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izgubi vrh prsta u nesreći,
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they'll re-grow their fingertip.
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ponovo će mu izrasti taj vrh prsta.
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By the time they're five, they won't be able to do that anymore.
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To više neće moći da urade kada budu imali pet godina.
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So to engage in that conversation with the body,
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Tako, da bi se upustili u tu konverzaciju sa telom,
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we need to speak the body's language.
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moramo da govorimo jezik tela.
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And there are certain tools in our toolbox that allow us to do this today.
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I ima načina koji nam omogućavaju da to radimo danas.
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I'm going to give you an example of three of these tools
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Daću vam primer tri takva načina
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through which to converse with the body.
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putem kojih možemo pričati sa telom.
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The first is cellular therapies.
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Prvi je ćelijska terapija.
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Clearly, we heal ourselves in a natural process,
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Jasno je da se lečimo kroz prirodan proces,
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using cells to do most of the work.
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koristeći ćelije da urade većinu posla.
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Therefore, if we can find the right cells
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Tako da, ako možemo da pronađemo prave ćelije
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and implant them in the body, they may do the healing.
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i ugradimo ih u telo, one mogu lečiti.
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Secondly, we can use materials.
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Drugo, možemo koristiti materijale.
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We heard yesterday about the importance of new materials.
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Juče smo slušali o važnosti novih materijala.
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If we can invent materials, design materials,
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Ako možemo izmisliti nove materijale, dizajnirati ih,
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or extract materials from a natural environment,
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ili ih izvući iz prirodne sredine,
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then we might be able to have those materials induce the body to heal itself.
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onda bi ti materijali mogli biti u stanju da nateraju telo da se samo leči.
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And finally, we may be able to use smart devices
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I na kraju, možemo biti u stanju da koristimo pametne sprave
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that will offload the work of the body and allow it to heal.
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koje bi rasteretile telo i omogućile mu da se samo izleči.
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I'm going to show you an example of each of these,
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Pokazaću vam primer svake od njih,
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and I'm going to start with materials.
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i počeću sa materijalima.
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Steve Badylak -- who's at the University of Pittsburgh --
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Stiv Bedilak, sa Pitsburškog univerziteta je,
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about a decade ago had a remarkable idea.
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pre 10 godina imao neverovatnu ideju.
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And that idea was that the small intestine of a pig,
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I ta ideja je bila da tanko crevo svinje,
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if you threw away all the cells,
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ako bacite sve ćelije,
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and if you did that in a way that allowed it to remain biologically active,
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i to uradite na način koji mu omogućava da ostane biološki aktivno,
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may contain all of the necessary factors and signals
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može sadržati sve neophodne faktore i signale
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that would signal the body to heal itself.
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koji bi signaliziral telu da se samo izleči.
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And he asked a very important question.
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I on je postavio vrlo važno pitanje.
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He asked the question,
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On je postavio pitanje,
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if I take that material, which is a natural material
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"Ako uzmem materijal koji je prirodan
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that usually induces healing in the small intestine,
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i koji obično izaziva zarastanje rana u tankom crevu,
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and I place it somewhere else on a person's body,
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i stavim ga na naki drugi deo tela osobe,
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would it give a tissue-specific response,
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da li ću dobiti odgovor specifičan za to tkivo,
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or would it make small intestine if I tried to make a new ear?
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ili će napraviti tanko crevo ako ja pokušam da napravim uvo?"
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I wouldn't be telling you this story if it weren't compelling.
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Ne bih vam pričao ovu priču da nije ubedljiva.
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The picture I'm about to show you
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Ova slika koju ću vam pokazati -
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is a compelling picture.
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(smeh)
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(Laughter)
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- je ubedljiva slika.
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However, for those of you that are even the slightest bit squeamish --
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Međutim, za one koji su makar malkice gadljivi -
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even though you may not like to admit it in front of your friends --
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iako možda ne želite to da priznate pred prijateljima -
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the lights are down. This is a good time to look at your feet,
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svetla su ugašena. Ovo je dobro vreme da gledate u vaša stopala,
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check your Blackberry, do anything other than look at the screen.
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pogledajte u vaš telefon, uradite bilo šta samo ne gledajte u ekran.
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
11:05
What I'm about to show you is a diabetic ulcer.
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Ono što ću vam pokazati je čir kod dijabetičara.
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And although -- it's good to laugh before we look at this.
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I iako je dobro smejati se pre nego što pogledamo ovo.
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This is the reality of diabetes.
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Ovo je stvarnost dijabetesa.
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I think a lot of times we hear about diabetics, diabetic ulcers,
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Mislim da često kada slušamo o dijabetičarima i njihovim čirevima,
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we just don't connect the ulcer with the eventual treatment,
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mi jednostavno ne povezujemo čir sa eventualnim lečenjem,
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which is amputation, if you can't heal it.
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a to je amputacija, ako ga ne možete izlečiti.
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So I'm going to put the slide up now. It won't be up for long.
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Sada ću pokazati slajd. Neće biti dugo.
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This is a diabetic ulcer. It's tragic.
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To je čir kod dijabetičara. Tragično.
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The treatment for this is amputation.
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Tretman za njega je amputacija.
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This is an older lady. She has cancer of the liver as well as diabetes,
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Ovo je starija žena. Ona ima rak jetre kao i dijabetes
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and has decided to die with what' s left of her body intact.
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i odlučila je da umre sa onim što je ostalo od njenog tela.
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And this lady decided, after a year of attempted treatment of that ulcer,
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Posle godinu dana neuspešne terapije tog čira, ona je odlučila
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that she would try this new therapy that Steve invented.
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da će probati novu terapiju koju je Stiv izmislio.
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That's what the wound looked like 11 weeks later.
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Ovo je kako je rana izgledala 11 nedelja kasnije.
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That material contained only natural signals.
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Ovaj materijal je sadržao samo prirodne signale.
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And that material induced the body to switch back on a healing response
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I on je naveo telo da ponovo uključi mehanizam lečenja
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that it didn't have before.
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koji ranije nije imao.
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There's going to be a couple more distressing slides for those of you --
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Biće još nekoliko neprijatnih slajdova za one od vas -
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I'll let you know when you can look again.
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rećiću vam kada možete ponovo da gledate.
12:07
This is a horse. The horse is not in pain.
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Ovo je konj. Njega ništa ne boli.
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If the horse was in pain, I wouldn't show you this slide.
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Da ga nešto boli, ne bih vam pokazao ovaj slajd.
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The horse just has another nostril that's developed
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Konj samo ima još jednu nozdrvu koja se razvila
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because of a riding accident.
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zbog nezgode na jahanju.
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Just a few weeks after treatment --
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Samo nekoliko nedelja posle lečenja -
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in this case, taking that material, turning it into a gel,
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u ovom slučaju uzimanja i pretvaranja materijala u gel,
12:21
and packing that area, and then repeating the treatment a few times --
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i pakovanja te oblasti i onda ponavljanja tretmana nekoliko puta -
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and the horse heals up.
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i konj je ozdravio.
12:27
And if you took an ultrasound of that area, it would look great.
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I ako bismo obavili ultrazvuk te oblasti, ona bi izgledala sjajno.
12:29
Here's a dolphin where the fin's been re-attached.
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Ovde je delfin kome je ponovo pričvršćeno peraje
12:32
There are now 400,000 patients around the world
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Ima 400,000 pacijenata širom sveta
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who have used that material to heal their wounds.
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koji su koristili taj materijal da izleče svoje rane.
12:38
Could you regenerate a limb?
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Da li možete regenerisati ud?
12:41
DARPA just gave Steve 15 million dollars to lead an eight-institution project
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DARPA (Agencija za napredne programe odbrane) je dala Stivu 15 miliona dolara da vodi projekat
12:45
to begin the process of asking that question.
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koji obuhvata 8 institucija, da bi počeo proces postavljanja tog pitanja.
12:48
And I'll show you the 15 million dollar picture.
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I pokazaću vam sliku od 15 miliona dolara.
12:51
This is a 78 year-old man who's lost the end of his fingertip.
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Ovo je sedamdesetosmogodišnji čovek koji je izgubio vrh prsta.
12:54
Remember that I mentioned before the children who lose their fingertips.
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Setite se da sam ranije pominjao decu koja izgube vrh prsta.
12:58
After treatment that's what it looks like.
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Ovo je kako izgleda posle lečenja.
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This is happening today.
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Ovo se dešava danas.
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This is clinically relevant today.
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Ovo je danas klinički relevantno.
13:06
There are materials that do this. Here are the heart patches.
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Postoje materijali koji to rade. Postoje materijali koji se ugrade u srce operacijom i regenerišu ga.
13:09
But could you go a little further?
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Ali da li bismo mogi ići malo dalje?
13:11
Could you, say, instead of using material,
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Da li bismo, recimo, umesto da koristimo materijal,
13:13
can I take some cells along with the material,
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mogli uzeti neke ćelije zajedno sa materijalom
13:15
and remove a damaged piece of tissue,
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i otkloniti oštećene delove tkiva
13:17
put a bio-degradable material on there?
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i tamo staviti biorazgradljiv materijal?
13:20
You can see here a little bit of heart muscle beating in a dish.
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Ovde možemo videti mali deo srčanog mišića kakoi kuca u posudi.
13:23
This was done by Teruo Okano at Tokyo Women's Hospital.
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Ovo je uradio Teruo Okano u Tokijskoj ženskoj bolnici.
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He can actually grow beating tissue in a dish.
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On može stvarno da napravi tkivo koje kuca u posudi.
13:31
He chills the dish, it changes its properties
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On ohladi posudu, ona promeni svoja svojstva
13:33
and he peels it right out of the dish.
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i on ga oguli pravo iz posude.
13:35
It's the coolest stuff.
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To je kul stvar.
13:38
Now I'm going to show you cell-based regeneration.
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Sada ću vam pokazati regeneraciju na bazi ćelija.
13:40
And what I'm going to show you here
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I ono što ću vam ovde pokazati
13:42
is stem cells being removed from the hip of a patient.
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su matične ćelije koje se vade iz kuka pacijenta.
13:46
Again, if you're squeamish, you don't want to watch.
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Ponovo, ako ste gadljivi, ne želite da gledate.
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But this one's kind of cool.
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Ali ova je nekako kul.
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So this is a bypass operation, just like what Al Gore had,
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Ovo je bajpas operacija, ista kao ona koju je imao Al Gor,
13:55
with a difference.
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sa razlikom.
13:56
In this case, at the end of the bypass operation,
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U ovom slučaju, na kraju operacije,
13:59
you're going to see the stem cells from the patient
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videćete matične ćelije pacijenta
14:01
that were removed at the beginning of the procedure
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koje su izvađene na početku ovog postupka
14:03
being injected directly into the heart of the patient.
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kako se ubrizgavaju u srce pacijenta.
14:07
And I'm standing up here because at one point
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I ja ovde stojim jer ću vam u jednom trenutku
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I'm going to show you just how early this technology is.
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pokazati koliko je ova tehnologija, zapravo, u začetku.
14:12
Here go the stem cells, right into the beating heart of the patient.
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Evo idu matične ćelije, pravo u lupajuće srce pacijenta.
14:15
And if you look really carefully,
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I ako pogledate zaista pažljivo,
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it's going to be right around this point
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biće to otprilike u ovom momentu
14:18
you'll actually see a back-flush.
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videćete kako se vraćaju.
14:20
You see the cells coming back out.
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Videćete kako ćelije izlaze napolje.
14:24
We need all sorts of new technology, new devices,
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Potrebne su nam razne vrste novih tehnologija i sprava,
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to get the cells to the right place at the right time.
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da bi ćelije stigle na pravo mesto u pravo vreme.
14:31
Just a little bit of data, a tiny bit of data.
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Samo malo podataka, veoma malo podataka.
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This was a randomized trial.
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Ovo je bilo ispitivanje na slučajnom uzorku.
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At this time this was an N of 20. Now there's an N of about 100.
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To je bio N od 20. Sada je N od 100.
14:39
Basically, if you take an extremely sick patient
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U suštini, ako uzmete izuzetno bolesnog pacijenta
14:41
and you give them a bypass, they get a little bit better.
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i ugradite mu bajpas, biće mu malo bolje.
14:43
If you give them stem cells as well as their bypass,
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Ako mu date i matične ćelije sa njim,
14:46
for these particular patients, they became asymptomatic.
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za ove određene pacijente, simptomi nestaju.
14:49
These are now two years out.
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Ovo je posle 2 godine.
14:53
The coolest thing would be is if you could diagnose the disease early,
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Najbolje bi bilo kada bi dijagnostifikovali bolest rano
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and prevent the onset of the disease to a bad state.
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i sprečili njen napredak do lošeg stadijuma.
15:00
This is the same procedure, but now done minimally invasively,
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Ovo je ista procedura, ali sada urađena minimalno invazivno
15:04
with only three holes in the body where they're taking the heart
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sa samo tri rupe u telu, gde uzimaju srce
15:07
and simply injecting stem cells through a laparoscopic procedure.
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i ubrizgavaju matične ćelije kroz laparoskopsku proceduru.
15:11
There go the cells.
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Evo idu ćelije.
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We don't have time to go into all of those details,
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Nemamo vremena da ulazimo u sve ove detalje,
15:15
but basically, that works too.
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ali, u osnovi, i ovo funkcioniše.
15:17
You can take patients who are less sick,
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Možemo uzeti manje bolesne pacijente
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and bring them back to an almost asymptomatic state
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i vratiti ih u stanje koje je skoro bez simptoma
15:24
through that kind of therapy.
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kroz ovu vrstu terapije.
15:26
Here's another example of stem-cell therapy that isn't quite clinical yet,
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Evo još jednog primera terapije matičnim ćelijama koja još uvek nije klinička,
15:30
but I think very soon will be.
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ali mislim da će uskoro biti.
15:32
This is the work of Kacey Marra from Pittsburgh,
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Ovo je rad Kejsi Mare iz Pitsburga,
15:34
along with a number of colleagues around the world.
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zajedno sa brojnim kolegama iz celog sveta.
15:36
They've decided that liposuction fluid,
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Oni su odlučili da tečnost od liposukcije,
15:39
which -- in the United States, we have a lot of liposuction fluid.
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koje imamo mnogo u Sjedinjenim državama.
15:42
(Laughter)
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(smeh)
15:43
It's a great source of stem cells.
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Odličan je izvor matičnih ćelija.
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Stem cells are packed in that liposuction fluid.
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Tečnost od liposukcije je prepuna matičnih ćelija.
15:48
So you could go in, you could get your tummy-tuck.
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Mozete doći i uraditi liposukciju stomaka.
15:51
Out comes the liposuction fluid,
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Tečnost od liposukcije izlazi napolje,
15:53
and in this case, the stem cells are isolated and turned into neurons.
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i u ovom slučaju, matične ćelije su izolovane i pretvorene u neurone.
15:58
All done in the lab.
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Sve se radi u laboratoriji.
15:59
And I think fairly soon, you will see patients being treated
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I mislim da ćete prilično skoro videti pacijente koji se leče na ovaj način
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with their own fat-derived, or adipose-derived, stem cells.
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sa sopstvenim matičnim ćelijama iz masnog tkiva.
16:07
I talked before about the use of devices
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Prethodno sam pričao o korišćenju sprava
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to dramatically change the way we treat disease.
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koje bi dramatično promenile način na koji lečimo bolest.
16:12
Here's just one example before I close up.
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Evo još jednog primera pre nego što završim.
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This is equally tragic.
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Ovo je jednako tragično.
16:16
We have a very abiding and heartbreaking partnership
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Imamo veoma trajno i srceparajuće partnerstvo
16:19
with our colleagues at the Institute for Surgical Research in the US Army,
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sa našim kolegama sa Instituta za hiruško istraživanje pri vojsci SAD-a,
16:23
who have to treat the now 11,000 kids that have come back from Iraq.
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koji moraju sada da leče 11 000 mladića koji su se vratili iz Iraka.¼
16:28
Many of those patients are very severely burned.
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Mnogi od njih imaju ozbiljne opekotine.
16:30
And if there's anything that's been learned about burn,
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I ako smo nešto naučili o opekotinama,
16:32
it's that we don't know how to treat it.
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onda je to da ne znamo kako da ih lečimo.
16:34
Everything that is done to treat burn --
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Sve što radimo je
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basically we do a sodding approach.
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u suštini, presađivanje.
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We make something over here,
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Napravimo nešto ovde,
16:41
and then we transplant it onto the site of the wound,
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i onda ga presadimo na mesto rane
16:43
and we try and get the two to take.
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i potrudimo se da se primi.
16:45
In this case here, a new, wearable bio-reactor has been designed --
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U ovom slučaju je dizajniran novi bioreaktor koji možete da nosite -
16:49
it should be tested clinically later this year at ISR --
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kasnije ove godine treba da prođe kroz klinička testiranja na ISR-u -
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by Joerg Gerlach in Pittsburgh.
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koga je napravio Jorg Gerlak u Pitsburgu.
16:54
And that bio-reactor will lay down in the wound bed.
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I taj bioreaktor će biti postavljen u ranu.
16:57
The gun that you see there sprays cells.
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Pištolj koji vidite prska ćelije.
17:00
That's going to spray cells over that area.
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To će poprskati ćelije po ovoj oblasti.
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The reactor will serve to fertilize the environment,
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Reaktor će služiti tome da oploditi okolinu,
17:06
deliver other things as well at the same time,
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da istovremeno isporuči i druge stvari
17:09
and therefore we will seed that lawn,
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i tako ćemo zasaditi travnjak,
17:12
as opposed to try the sodding approach.
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umesto da ga presađujemo.
17:14
It's a completely different way of doing it.
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To je potpuno novi način da se to radi.
17:18
So my 18 minutes is up.
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Dakle, mojih osamnaest minuta je isteklo.
17:20
So let me finish up with some good news,
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Dozvolite mi da završim sa nekim dobrim vestima
17:22
and maybe a little bit of bad news.
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i možda malo loših vesti.
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The good news is that this is happening today.
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Dobra vest je da se ovo dešava danas.
17:28
It's very powerful work.
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To je vrlo moćan rad.
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Clearly the images kind of get that across.
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Jasno je da slike to prenose.
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It's incredibly difficult because it's highly inter-disciplinary.
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Neverovatno je teško jer je jako interdisciplinarno.
17:35
Almost every field of science engineering and clinical practice
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Skoro svaka oblast naučnog inženjeringa i kliničke prakse
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is involved in trying to get this to happen.
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je uključena u pokušaj da se ovo izvede.
17:43
A number of governments, and a number of regions,
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Puno vlada i puno regiona
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have recognized that this is a new way to treat disease.
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je priznalo da je ovo nov način za lečenje bolesti.
17:48
The Japanese government were perhaps the first,
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Japanska vlada je možda bila prva,
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when they decided to invest first 3 billion,
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kada je odlučila da uloži prvo 3 milijarde,
17:53
later another 2 billion in this field.
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zatim još dve milijarde u ovo polje.
17:56
It's no coincidence.
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Nije slučajnost.
17:57
Japan is the oldest country on earth in terms of its average age.
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Japan je najstarija zemlja na svetu po prosečnoj starosti stanovništva.
18:00
They need this to work or their health system dies.
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Njima je potrebno da ovo uspe ili će im zdravstveni sistem umreti.
18:05
So they're putting a lot of strategic investment focused in this area.
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Tako da ulažu u puno strateških investicija koje se usredsređuju na ovu oblast.
18:09
The European Union, same thing.
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Evropska unija, ista stvar.
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China, the same thing.
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Kina, ista stvar.
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China just launched a national tissue-engineering center.
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Kina je upravo lansirala nacionalni centar za inženjering tkiva.
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The first year budget was 250 million US dollars.
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Budžet za prvu godinu je 250 miliona dolara.
18:19
In the United States we've had a somewhat different approach.
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U SAD-u smo imali nešto drugačiji pristup. Mi -
18:23
(Laughter)
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(smeh)
18:26
Oh, for Al Gore to come and be in the real world as president.
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o, da je samo Al Gor predsednik u stvarnom svetu.
18:30
We've had a different approach.
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Mi smo imali drugačiji pristup.
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And the approach has basically been to just sort of fund things as they come along.
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I pristup je bio da finansiramo stvari kako su nailazile.
18:35
But there's been no strategic investment
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Ali nije bilo strateških investicija
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to bring all of the necessary things to bear and focus them in a careful way.
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da bi se sve potrebne stvari korisno primenile i usmerile na pažljiv način.
18:44
And I'm going to finish up with a quote, maybe a little cheap shot,
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I završiću citatom, mozda malo niskim udarcem,
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at the director of the NIH, who's a very charming man.
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direktora NIH-a (Nacionalni institut za zdravlje SAD-a) koji je veoma šarmantan čovek.
18:53
Myself and Jay Vacanti from Harvard
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Ja i Džej Vakanti sa Harvarda
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went to visit with him and a number of his directors of his institute
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smo otišli da posetimo njega i nekoliko njegovih direktora sa instituta
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just a few months ago,
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pre samo nekoliko meseci,
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to try and convince him that it was time to take just a little piece
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da pokušamo da ga ubedimo da je vreme da uzme samo mali deo
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of that 27.5 billion dollars that he's going to get next year
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od tih 27,5 milijardi dolara koje će dobiti sledeće godine
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and focus it, in a strategic way, to make sure we can accelerate the pace
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i usmeri ih, na strateški način, da obezbedi da možemo da ubrzamo korak
19:17
at which these things get to patients.
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kojim te stvari dolaze do pacijenata.
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And at the end of a very testy meeting,
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I na kraju vrlo mrzovoljnog sastanka,
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what the NIH director said was,
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ono što je direktor NIH-a rekao je,
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"Your vision is larger than our appetite."
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"Vaša vizija je veća od našeg apetita."
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I'd like to close by saying that no one's going to change our vision,
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Završiću sa rečima da niko neće promeniti našu viziju,
19:30
but together we can change his appetite.
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ali zajedno možemo promeniti njegov apetit.
19:32
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
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