Alan Russell: The potential of regenerative medicine

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I'm going to talk to you today about
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hopefully converting fear into hope.
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When we go to the physician today --
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when we go to the doctor's office and we walk in,
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there are words that we just don't want to hear.
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There are words that we're truly afraid of.
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Diabetes, cancer, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's,
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heart failure, lung failure --
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things that we know are debilitating diseases,
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for which there's relatively little that can be done.
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And what I want to lay out for you today is
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a different way of thinking about how to treat debilitating disease,
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why it's important,
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why without it perhaps our health care system will melt down
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if you think it already hasn't,
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and where we are clinically today, and where we might go tomorrow,
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and what some of the hurdles are.
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And we're going to do all of that in 18 minutes, I promise.
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I want to start with this slide,
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because this slide sort of tells the story the way Science Magazine thinks of it.
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This was an issue from 2002
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that they published with a lot of different articles on the bionic human.
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It was basically a regenerative medicine issue.
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Regenerative medicine is an extraordinarily simple concept
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that everybody can understand.
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It's simply accelerating the pace at which the body heals itself
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to a clinically relevant timescale.
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So we know how to do this in many of the ways that are up there.
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We know that if we have a damaged hip, you can put an artificial hip in.
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And this is the idea that Science Magazine used on their front cover.
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This is the complete antithesis of regenerative medicine.
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This is not regenerative medicine.
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Regenerative medicine is what Business Week put up
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when they did a story about regenerative medicine not too long ago.
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The idea is that instead of figuring out how to ameliorate symptoms
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with devices and drugs and the like --
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and I'll come back to that theme a few times --
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instead of doing that, we will regenerate lost function of the body
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by regenerating the function of organs and damaged tissue.
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So that at the end of the treatment,
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you are the same as you were at the beginning of the treatment.
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Very few good ideas -- if you agree that this is a good idea --
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very few good ideas are truly novel.
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And this is just the same.
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If you look back in history,
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Charles Lindbergh, who was better known for flying airplanes,
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was actually one of the first people
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along with Alexis Carrel, one of the Nobel Laureates from Rockefeller,
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to begin to think about, could you culture organs?
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And they published this book in 1937,
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where they actually began to think about,
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what could you do in bio-reactors to grow whole organs?
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We've come a long way since then.
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I'm going to share with you some of the exciting work that's going on.
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But before doing that, what I'd like to do
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is share my depression about the health care system
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and the need for this with you.
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Many of the talks yesterday talked about
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improving the quality of life, and reducing poverty,
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and essentially increasing life expectancy all around the globe.
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One of the challenges is that the richer we are, the longer we live.
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And the longer we live, the more expensive it is
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to take care of our diseases as we get older.
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This is simply the wealth of a country
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versus the percent of population over the age of 65.
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And you can basically see that the richer a country is,
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the older the people are within it.
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Why is this important?
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And why is this a particularly dramatic challenge right now?
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If the average age of your population is 30,
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then the average kind of disease that you have to treat
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is maybe a broken ankle every now and again,
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maybe a little bit of asthma.
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If the average age in your country is 45 to 55,
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now the average person is looking at diabetes,
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early-onset diabetes, heart failure, coronary artery disease --
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things that are inherently more difficult to treat,
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and much more expensive to treat.
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Just have a look at the demographics in the U.S. here.
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This is from "The Untied States of America."
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In 1930, there were 41 workers per retiree.
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41 people who were basically outside of being really sick,
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paying for the one retiree who was experiencing debilitating disease.
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In 2010, two workers per retiree in the U.S.
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And this is matched in every industrialized, wealthy country in the world.
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How can you actually afford to treat patients
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when the reality of getting old looks like this?
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This is age versus cost of health care.
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And you can see that right around age 45, 40 to 45,
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there's a sudden spike in the cost of health care.
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It's actually quite interesting. If you do the right studies,
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you can look at how much you as an individual spend on your own health care,
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plotted over your lifetime.
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And about seven years before you're about to die, there's a spike.
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And you can actually --
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(Laughter)
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-- we won't get into that.
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(Laughter)
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There are very few things, very few things that you can really do
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that will change the way that you can treat these kinds of diseases
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and experience what I would call healthy aging.
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I'd suggest there are four things,
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and none of these things include an insurance system or a legal system.
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All those things do is change who pays.
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They don't actually change what the actual cost of the treatment is.
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One thing you can do is not treat. You can ration health care.
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We won't talk about that anymore. It's too depressing.
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You can prevent.
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Obviously a lot of monies should be put into prevention.
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But perhaps most interesting, to me anyway, and most important,
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is the idea of diagnosing a disease much earlier on in the progression,
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and then treating the disease to cure the disease
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instead of treating a symptom.
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Think of it in terms of diabetes, for instance.
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Today, with diabetes, what do we do?
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We diagnose the disease eventually, once it becomes symptomatic,
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and then we treat the symptom for 10, 20, 30, 40 years.
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And we do OK. Insulin's a pretty good therapy.
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But eventually it stops working,
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and diabetes leads to a predictable onset of debilitating disease.
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Why couldn't we just inject the pancreas with something
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to regenerate the pancreas early on in the disease,
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perhaps even before it was symptomatic?
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And it might be a little bit expensive at the time that we did it,
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but if it worked, we would truly be able to do something different.
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This video, I think, gets across the concept that I'm talking about quite dramatically.
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This is a newt re-growing its limb.
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If a newt can do this kind of thing, why can't we?
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I'll actually show you some more important features
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about limb regeneration in a moment.
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But what we're talking about in regenerative medicine
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is doing this in every organ system of the body,
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for tissues and for organs themselves.
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So today's reality is that if we get sick,
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the message is we will treat your symptoms,
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and you need to adjust to a new way of life.
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I would pose to you that tomorrow --
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and when tomorrow is we could debate,
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but it's within the foreseeable future --
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we will talk about regenerative rehabilitation.
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There's a limb prosthetic up here,
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similar actually one on the soldier
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that's come back from Iraq.
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There are 370 soldiers that have come back from Iraq that have lost limbs.
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Imagine if instead of facing that, they could actually
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face the regeneration of that limb.
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It's a wild concept.
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I'll show you where we are at the moment in working towards that concept.
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But it's applicable, again, to every organ system.
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How can we do that?
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The way to do that is to develop a conversation with the body.
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We need to learn to speak the body's language.
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And to switch on processes that we knew how to do when we were a fetus.
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A mammalian fetus, if it loses a limb during the first trimester of pregnancy,
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will re-grow that limb.
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So our DNA has the capacity to do these kinds of wound-healing mechanisms.
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It's a natural process,
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but it is lost as we age.
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In a child, before the age of about six months,
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if they lose their fingertip in an accident,
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they'll re-grow their fingertip.
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By the time they're five, they won't be able to do that anymore.
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So to engage in that conversation with the body,
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we need to speak the body's language.
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And there are certain tools in our toolbox that allow us to do this today.
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I'm going to give you an example of three of these tools
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through which to converse with the body.
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The first is cellular therapies.
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Clearly, we heal ourselves in a natural process,
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using cells to do most of the work.
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Therefore, if we can find the right cells
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and implant them in the body, they may do the healing.
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Secondly, we can use materials.
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We heard yesterday about the importance of new materials.
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If we can invent materials, design materials,
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or extract materials from a natural environment,
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then we might be able to have those materials induce the body to heal itself.
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And finally, we may be able to use smart devices
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that will offload the work of the body and allow it to heal.
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I'm going to show you an example of each of these,
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and I'm going to start with materials.
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Steve Badylak -- who's at the University of Pittsburgh --
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about a decade ago had a remarkable idea.
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And that idea was that the small intestine of a pig,
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if you threw away all the cells,
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and if you did that in a way that allowed it to remain biologically active,
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may contain all of the necessary factors and signals
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that would signal the body to heal itself.
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And he asked a very important question.
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He asked the question,
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if I take that material, which is a natural material
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that usually induces healing in the small intestine,
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and I place it somewhere else on a person's body,
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would it give a tissue-specific response,
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or would it make small intestine if I tried to make a new ear?
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I wouldn't be telling you this story if it weren't compelling.
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The picture I'm about to show you
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is a compelling picture.
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(Laughter)
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However, for those of you that are even the slightest bit squeamish --
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even though you may not like to admit it in front of your friends --
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the lights are down. This is a good time to look at your feet,
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check your Blackberry, do anything other than look at the screen.
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(Laughter)
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What I'm about to show you is a diabetic ulcer.
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And although -- it's good to laugh before we look at this.
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This is the reality of diabetes.
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I think a lot of times we hear about diabetics, diabetic ulcers,
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we just don't connect the ulcer with the eventual treatment,
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which is amputation, if you can't heal it.
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So I'm going to put the slide up now. It won't be up for long.
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This is a diabetic ulcer. It's tragic.
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The treatment for this is amputation.
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This is an older lady. She has cancer of the liver as well as diabetes,
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and has decided to die with what' s left of her body intact.
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And this lady decided, after a year of attempted treatment of that ulcer,
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that she would try this new therapy that Steve invented.
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That's what the wound looked like 11 weeks later.
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That material contained only natural signals.
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And that material induced the body to switch back on a healing response
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that it didn't have before.
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There's going to be a couple more distressing slides for those of you --
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I'll let you know when you can look again.
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This is a horse. The horse is not in pain.
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If the horse was in pain, I wouldn't show you this slide.
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The horse just has another nostril that's developed
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because of a riding accident.
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Just a few weeks after treatment --
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in this case, taking that material, turning it into a gel,
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and packing that area, and then repeating the treatment a few times --
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and the horse heals up.
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And if you took an ultrasound of that area, it would look great.
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Here's a dolphin where the fin's been re-attached.
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There are now 400,000 patients around the world
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who have used that material to heal their wounds.
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Could you regenerate a limb?
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DARPA just gave Steve 15 million dollars to lead an eight-institution project
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to begin the process of asking that question.
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And I'll show you the 15 million dollar picture.
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This is a 78 year-old man who's lost the end of his fingertip.
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Remember that I mentioned before the children who lose their fingertips.
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After treatment that's what it looks like.
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This is happening today.
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This is clinically relevant today.
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There are materials that do this. Here are the heart patches.
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But could you go a little further?
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Could you, say, instead of using material,
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can I take some cells along with the material,
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and remove a damaged piece of tissue,
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put a bio-degradable material on there?
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You can see here a little bit of heart muscle beating in a dish.
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This was done by Teruo Okano at Tokyo Women's Hospital.
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He can actually grow beating tissue in a dish.
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He chills the dish, it changes its properties
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and he peels it right out of the dish.
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It's the coolest stuff.
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Now I'm going to show you cell-based regeneration.
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And what I'm going to show you here
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is stem cells being removed from the hip of a patient.
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Again, if you're squeamish, you don't want to watch.
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But this one's kind of cool.
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So this is a bypass operation, just like what Al Gore had,
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with a difference.
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In this case, at the end of the bypass operation,
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you're going to see the stem cells from the patient
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that were removed at the beginning of the procedure
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being injected directly into the heart of the patient.
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And I'm standing up here because at one point
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I'm going to show you just how early this technology is.
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Here go the stem cells, right into the beating heart of the patient.
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And if you look really carefully,
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it's going to be right around this point
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you'll actually see a back-flush.
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You see the cells coming back out.
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We need all sorts of new technology, new devices,
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to get the cells to the right place at the right time.
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Just a little bit of data, a tiny bit of data.
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This was a randomized trial.
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At this time this was an N of 20. Now there's an N of about 100.
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Basically, if you take an extremely sick patient
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and you give them a bypass, they get a little bit better.
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If you give them stem cells as well as their bypass,
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for these particular patients, they became asymptomatic.
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These are now two years out.
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The coolest thing would be is if you could diagnose the disease early,
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and prevent the onset of the disease to a bad state.
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This is the same procedure, but now done minimally invasively,
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with only three holes in the body where they're taking the heart
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and simply injecting stem cells through a laparoscopic procedure.
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There go the cells.
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We don't have time to go into all of those details,
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but basically, that works too.
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You can take patients who are less sick,
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and bring them back to an almost asymptomatic state
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through that kind of therapy.
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Here's another example of stem-cell therapy that isn't quite clinical yet,
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but I think very soon will be.
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This is the work of Kacey Marra from Pittsburgh,
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along with a number of colleagues around the world.
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They've decided that liposuction fluid,
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which -- in the United States, we have a lot of liposuction fluid.
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(Laughter)
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It's a great source of stem cells.
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Stem cells are packed in that liposuction fluid.
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So you could go in, you could get your tummy-tuck.
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Out comes the liposuction fluid,
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and in this case, the stem cells are isolated and turned into neurons.
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All done in the lab.
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And I think fairly soon, you will see patients being treated
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with their own fat-derived, or adipose-derived, stem cells.
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I talked before about the use of devices
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to dramatically change the way we treat disease.
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Here's just one example before I close up.
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This is equally tragic.
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We have a very abiding and heartbreaking partnership
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with our colleagues at the Institute for Surgical Research in the US Army,
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who have to treat the now 11,000 kids that have come back from Iraq.
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Many of those patients are very severely burned.
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And if there's anything that's been learned about burn,
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it's that we don't know how to treat it.
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Everything that is done to treat burn --
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basically we do a sodding approach.
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We make something over here,
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and then we transplant it onto the site of the wound,
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and we try and get the two to take.
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In this case here, a new, wearable bio-reactor has been designed --
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it should be tested clinically later this year at ISR --
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by Joerg Gerlach in Pittsburgh.
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And that bio-reactor will lay down in the wound bed.
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The gun that you see there sprays cells.
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That's going to spray cells over that area.
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The reactor will serve to fertilize the environment,
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deliver other things as well at the same time,
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and therefore we will seed that lawn,
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as opposed to try the sodding approach.
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It's a completely different way of doing it.
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So my 18 minutes is up.
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So let me finish up with some good news,
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and maybe a little bit of bad news.
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The good news is that this is happening today.
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It's very powerful work.
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Clearly the images kind of get that across.
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It's incredibly difficult because it's highly inter-disciplinary.
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Almost every field of science engineering and clinical practice
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is involved in trying to get this to happen.
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A number of governments, and a number of regions,
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have recognized that this is a new way to treat disease.
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The Japanese government were perhaps the first,
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when they decided to invest first 3 billion,
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later another 2 billion in this field.
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It's no coincidence.
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Japan is the oldest country on earth in terms of its average age.
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They need this to work or their health system dies.
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So they're putting a lot of strategic investment focused in this area.
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The European Union, same thing.
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China, the same thing.
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China just launched a national tissue-engineering center.
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The first year budget was 250 million US dollars.
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In the United States we've had a somewhat different approach.
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(Laughter)
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Oh, for Al Gore to come and be in the real world as president.
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We've had a different approach.
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And the approach has basically been to just sort of fund things as they come along.
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But there's been no strategic investment
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to bring all of the necessary things to bear and focus them in a careful way.
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And I'm going to finish up with a quote, maybe a little cheap shot,
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at the director of the NIH, who's a very charming man.
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Myself and Jay Vacanti from Harvard
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went to visit with him and a number of his directors of his institute
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just a few months ago,
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to try and convince him that it was time to take just a little piece
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of that 27.5 billion dollars that he's going to get next year
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and focus it, in a strategic way, to make sure we can accelerate the pace
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at which these things get to patients.
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And at the end of a very testy meeting,
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what the NIH director said was,
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"Your vision is larger than our appetite."
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I'd like to close by saying that no one's going to change our vision,
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but together we can change his appetite.
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Thank you.
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