Nadia Al-Sakkaf: See Yemen through my eyes

Prevodilac: Nina Lazarevic Lektor: Ana Zivanovic-Nenadovic

Pat Mitchell: You have brought us images from the Yemen Times.

Pet Mičel: Donela si nam slike iz "Jemen Tajmsa".

And take us through those,

Provedi nas kroz njih,

and introduce us to another Yemen.

i upoznaj nas sa drugačijim Jemenom.

Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Well, I'm glad to be here.

Nadia Al-Sakaf: Pa, drago mi je što sam ovde.

And I would like to share with you all

I želela bih da podelim sa svima vama

some of the pictures that are happening today in Yemen.

neke od slika koje možete videti danas u Jemenu.

This picture shows a revolution

Ova slika prikazuje jednu revoluciju

started by women,

koju su pokrenule žene.

and it shows women and men

I pokazuje žene i muškarce

leading a mixed protest.

kako vode zajednički protest.

The other picture

Druga slika

is the popularity of the real need for change.

je popularnost istinske potrebe za promenama.

So many people are there.

Tu ima toliko je puno ljudi.

The intensity of the upspring.

Intenzitet ustanka.

This picture shows that the revolution

Ova slika prikazuje da je revolucija

has allowed opportunities for training,

pružila mogućnosti za usavršavanje,

for education.

za obrazovanje.

These women are learning about first aid

Ove žene uče o prvoj pomoći

and their rights according to the constitution.

i o svojim pravima u skladu sa ustavom.

I love this picture.

Volim ovu sliku.

I just wanted to show

Samo sam želela da pokažem

that over 60 percent of the Yemeni population

da je preko 60 odsto jemenskog stanovništva

are 15 years and below.

mlađe od 15 godina starosti.

And they were excluded from decision-making,

I nisu bili uključeni u proces donošenja odluka,

and now they are in the forefront of the news,

a sada su u prvom planu na vestima,

raising the flag.

podižu zastavu.

English --

Engleski -

you will see, this is jeans

videćete, ovo su farmerke

and tights,

i helanke

and an English expression --

i engleski izraz -

the ability to share with the world

mogućnost da se sa svetom podeli

what is going on in our own country.

ono što se dešava u našoj zemlji.

And expression also,

I izraz je takođe

it has brought talents.

doneo talente.

Yemenis are using cartoons

Jemeni koriste crtaće

and art,

i umetnost,

paintings, comics,

slike, stripove,

to tell the world and each other

da kažu svetu i jedni drugima

about what's going on.

o onome što se dešava.

Obviously, there's always the dark side of it.

Naravno, uvek postoji i tamna strana.

And this is just one of the less-gruesome pictures

I ovo je samo jedna od manje odvratnih slika

of the revolution

revolucije

and the cost that we have to pay.

i cene koju moramo da platimo.

The solidarity

Solidarnost

of millions of Yemenis across the country

miliona Jemena širom zemlje

just demanding the one thing.

koji zahtevaju samo jednu stvar.

And finally, lots of people are saying

I na kraju, puno ljudi kaže

that Yemen's revolution

da će jemenska revolucija

is going to break the country.

slomiti zemlju.

Is it going to be so many different countries?

Da li će biti kao u mnogim drugim zemljama?

Is it going to be another Somalia?

Da li će biti druga Somalija?

But we want to tell the world that, no,

Ali želimo da kažemo svetu da, ne,

under the one flag, we'll still remain as Yemeni people.

pod jednom zastavom, i dalje smo jemenski narod.

PM: Thank you for those images, Nadia.

PM: Hvala ti na tim slikama, Nadia.

And they do, in many ways,

I one, na puno načina,

tell a different story

pričaju drugačiju priču

than the story of Yemen,

od priče o Jemenu,

the one that is often in the news.

koja je često u vestima.

And yet, you yourself

A opet, i ti sama

defy all those characterizations.

pobijaš sve te stereotipe.

So let's talk about the personal story for a moment.

Pa, popričajmo o ličnoj priči za trenutak.

Your father is murdered.

Tvoj otac je ubijen.

The Yemen Times already has

"Jemen Tajms" već ima

a strong reputation in Yemen

jaku reputaciju u Jemenu

as an independent English language newspaper.

kao nezavistan list na engleskom jeziku.

How did you then

Kako si onda

make the decision and assume the responsibilities

odlučila i preuzela odgovornost

of running a newspaper,

da vodiš jedne novine,

especially in such times of conflict?

naročito u vreme konflikta?

NA: Well, let me first warn you

NA: Pa, prvo da vas upozorim

that I'm not the traditional Yemeni girl.

da nisam tradicionalna devojka iz Jemena.

I've guessed you've already noticed this by now.

Pretpostavljam da ste već primetili.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

In Yemen, most women are veiled

U Jemenu, većina žena je pod velom

and they are sitting behind doors

sede iza vrata

and not very much part of the public life.

i nisu veliki deo društvenog života.

But there's so much potential.

Ali ima toliko potenicijala.

I wish I could show you my Yemen.

Da mogu da vam samo pokažem moj Jemen.

I wish you could see

Volela bih da možete da vidite

Yemen through my eyes.

Jemen kroz moje oči.

Then you would know

Onda biste znali

that there's so much to it.

da je tamo toliko puno toga.

And I was privileged because I was born into a family,

Ja sam privilegovana jer sam rođena u porodici,

my father would always encourage the boys and the girls.

otac je uvek ohrabrivao dečake i devojčice.

He would say we are equal.

Govorio je da smo jednaki.

And he was such an extraordinary man.

I bio je izvanredan čovek.

And even my mother -- I owe it to my family.

Čak i moja majka - dugujem svojoj porodici -

A story:

priču.

I studied in India.

Studirala sam u Indiji.

And in my third year, I started becoming confused

Na trećoj godini, postala sam zbunjena

because I was Yemeni,

jer sam bila Jemenka,

but I was also mixing up

ali sam takođe imala

with a lot of my friends in college.

puno prijatelja na fakultetu.

And I went back home and I said,

Vratila sam se kući i rekla,

"Daddy, I don't know who I am.

"Tata, ne znam ko sam.

I'm not a Yemeni; I'm not an Indian."

Nisam Jemenka, nisam Indijka."

And he said, "You are the bridge."

A on je rekao "Ti si most."

And that is something I will keep in my heart forever.

I to ću zauvek čuvati u srcu.

So since then I've been the bridge,

I od tada, ja sam most,

and a lot of people have walked over me.

i puno je ljudi prešlo preko.

PM: I don't think so. (Laughter)

PM: Ne bih rekla.

NA: But it just helps tell

NA: Ali pomaže da se kaže

that some people are change agents

da neki ljudi utiču na promene

in the society.

u društvu.

And when I became editor-in-chief

I kada sam postala glavni urednik

after my brother actually --

posle mog brata, zapravo -

my father passed away in 1999,

moj otac je preminuo 1999.

and then my brother until 2005 --

a onda i moj brat 2005 -

and everybody was betting that I will not be able to do it.

i svi su se kladili da neću uspeti.

"What's this young girl coming in and showing off

"Šta ova devojka dolazi i pravi se važna

because it's her family business," or something.

zato što je to njen porodični biznis" ili tako nešto.

It was very hard at first.

Bilo je jako teško na početku.

I didn't want to clash with people.

Nisam htela sukobe sa ljudima.

But with all due respect

Ali uz svo poštovanje

to all the men, and the older men especially,

prema svim muškarcima, naročito starijim,

they did not want me around.

nisu me hteli tu.

It was very hard, you know,

Bilo je vrlo teško, znate,

to impose my authority.

da se nametne autoritet.

But a woman's got to do what a woman's got to do.

Ali žena mora da uradi šta mora da uradi.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

And in the first year,

I prve godine,

I had to fire half of the men.

morala sam da otpustim polovinu muškaraca.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Brought in more women.

Dovedem više žena.

Brought in younger men.

Dovedem mlađe muškarce.

And we have a more gender-balanced newsroom today.

I sada imamo polno-uravnoteženu redakciju.

The other thing is that it's about professionalism.

Još jedna stvar je da je to pitanje profesionalizma.

It's about proving who you are and what you can do.

Dokazati ko si i šta možeš da uradiš.

And I don't know if I'm going to be boasting now,

I ne znam da li ću se hvaliti sada,

but in 2006 alone,

ali samo u 2006. godini

we won three international awards.

osvojili smo tri međunarodne nagrade.

One of them is the IPI

Jedna od njih je "IPI"

Free Media Pioneer Award.

Nagrada za Pionira slobodnih medija.

So that was the answer

Tako da je to bio odgovor

to all the Yemeni people.

svim Jemenima.

And I want to score a point here,

I želim da osvojim poen ovim,

because my husband is in the room over there.

jer je moj muž u dvorani tamo.

If you could please stand up, [unclear].

Možeš li, molim te, da ustaneš, (nejasno).

He has been very supportive of me.

On je moja velika podrška.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

PM: And we should point out

PM: Treba da napomenemo

that he works with you as well at the paper.

da radi sa tobom u novinama.

But in assuming this responsibility

Ali kada treba preuzeti odgovornost

and going about it as you have,

i upotrebiti je kao ti,

you have become a bridge

postala si most

between an older and traditional society

između starijeg i tradicionalnog društva

and the one that you are now creating at the paper.

i onog koje upravo stvaraš u novinama.

And so along with changing who worked there,

Uz promene radnika,

you must have come up against another positioning

mora da si naišla na još jednu sliku

that we always run into, in particular with women,

na koju uvek naiđemo, naročito ako su u pitanju žene,

and it has to do with outside image,

a ima veze sa spoljašnjom slikom,

dress, the veiled woman.

odećom, žene pod velom.

So how have you dealt with this

Kako si se borila sa tim

on a personal level

na ličnom nivou

as well as the women who worked for you?

a kako žene koje su radile za tebe?

NA: As you know,

NA: Kao što znate,

the image of a lot of Yemeni women is a lot of black

slika o jemenskim ženama je, puno crnog

and covered, veiled women.

i velom pokrivene žene.

And this is true.

I to je istina.

And a lot of it is

I ima puno toga

because women are not able, are not free,

jer žene ne mogu, nisu slobodne,

to show their face to their self.

da pokažu svoje lice sebi.

It's a lot of traditional imposing

Puno je tradicionalnog nametanja

coming by authority figures

od strane figura autoriteta

such as the men, the grandparents and so on.

kao što su muškarci, dede i babe i tako dalje.

And it's economic empowerment

A to je i ekonomsko osnaživanje

and the ability for a woman to say,

i mogućnost za ženu da kaže,

"I am as much contributing to this family, or more,

"Ja doprinosim ovoj prodici isto, ili više,

than you are."

nego ti".

And the more empowered the women become,

I što žene postaju snažnije,

the more they are able to remove the veil, for example,

to će više biti u mogućnosti da sklone veo, na primer,

or to drive their own car

ili da voze sopstveni auto

or to have a job or to be able to travel.

ili da imaju posao ili da mogu da putuju.

So the other face of Yemen

Tako da je drugo lice Jemena

is actually one

zapravo ono

that lies behind the veil,

koje se nalazi iza vela.

and it's economic empowerment mostly

I zapravo je ekonomska samostalnost

that allows the woman to just uncover it.

ono što ženama omogućava da ga sklone.

And I have done this throughout my work.

I ja ovo radim kroz ceo svoj rad.

I've tried to encourage young girls.

Pokušavam da ohrabrim mlade devojke.

We started with, you can take it off in the office.

Počeli smo sa time da mogu da ga skinu u kancelariji.

And then after that, you can take it off on assignments.

A posle toga, mogu da ga skinu na zadacima.

Because I didn't believe a journalist can be a journalist with --

Jer nisam verovala da novinar može biti novinar sa -

how can you talk to people if you have your face covered? --

kako ćeš pričati sa ljudima ako ti je lice pokriveno?-

and so on; it's just a movement.

i tako dalje; to je samo pokret.

And I am a role model in Yemen.

I ja sam uzor u Jemenu.

A lot of people look up to me.

Puno ljudi se ugleda na mene.

A lot of young girls look up to me.

I puno mladih devojaka se ugleda na mene.

And I need to prove to them that, yes, you can still be married,

I moram da im dokažem da, tako je, možeš da budeš udata,

you can still be a mother,

možeš da budeš majka,

and you can still be respected within the society,

i možeš da budeš poštovana u društvu,

but at the same time,

ali u isto vreme,

that doesn't mean you [should] just be one of the crowd.

to ne znači da (treba da budeš) samo jedna u gomili.

You can be yourself and have your face.

Možeš da budeš ti i imaš svoje lice.

PM: But by putting yourself personally out there --

PM: Ali to što se lično pokazuješ -

both projecting a different image

i daješ dugačiju sliku

of Yemeni women,

jemenskih žena,

but also what you have made possible

ali i onog što si učinila mogućim

for the women who work at the paper --

za žene koje rade za novnine -

has this put you in personal danger?

da li te je to lično dovelo u opasnost?

NA: Well the Yemen Times, across 20 years,

NA: Pa, "Jemen Tajms" je tokom 20 godina,

has been through so much.

prošao kroz mnogo toga.

We've suffered prosecution;

Bili smo proganjani;

the paper was closed down more than three times.

novine su zatvarali više od tri puta.

It's an independent newspaper,

To su nezavisne novine,

but tell that to the people in charge.

ali recite to glavnima.

They think that if there's anything against them,

Misle da ako ima bilo čega protiv njih,

then we are being an opposition newspaper.

onda smo novine opozicije.

And very, very difficult times.

I vrlo, vrlo teško vreme.

Some of my reporters were arrested.

Neki moji reporteri su bili uhapšeni.

We had some court cases.

Bili smo na nekim suđenjima.

My father was assassinated.

Moj otac je ubijen.

Today, we are in a much better situation.

Danas je situacija mnogo bolja.

We've created the credibility.

Stvorili smo kredibilitet.

And in times of revolution or change like today,

I u vreme revolucija ili promena kao danas,

it is very important for independent media to have a voice.

vrlo je važno da nezavisni mediji imaju svoj glas.

It's very important

Vrlo je važno

for you to go to YemenTimes.com,

da odete na YemenTimes.com,

and it's very important

i vrlo je važno

to listen to our voice.

da slušate naš glas.

And this is probably something

I to je verovatno nešto

I'm going to share with you

što ću podeliti sa vama

in Western media probably --

u zapadnim medijima, verovatno -

and how there's a lot of stereotypes --

kako ima puno stereotipa -

thinking of Yemen in one single frame:

kad se razmišlja o Jemenu kao jednom okviru:

this is what Yemen is all about.

ovo je Jemen.

And that's not fair.

I to nije fer.

It's not fair for me; it's not fair for my country.

Nije fer za mene, ni za moju zemlju.

A lot of reporters come to Yemen

Puno reportera dolazi u Jemen

and they want to write a story on Al-Qaeda or terrorism.

i želi da napiše priču o Al-Kaidi ili terorizmu.

And I just wanted to share with you:

I htela bih da podelim sa vama:

there's one reporter that came.

bio je jedan reporter koji je došao.

He wanted to do a documentary

Hteo je da uradi dokumentarac

on what his editors wanted.

o nečemu što su njegovi urednici hteli.

And he ended up writing about a story that even surprised me --

A na kraju je pisao o priči koja je čak i mene iznenadila -

hip hop --

hip hop -

that there are young Yemeni men

da ima mladih Jemena

who express themselves

koji se izražavaju

through dancing and puchu puchu.

kroz ples i "puchu puchu".

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

That thing. (PM: Rap. Break dancing.)

Ono. (PM: Rep, brejkdens.)

Yeah, break dancing.

Da, brejkdens.

I'm not so old.

Nisam baš toliko stara.

I'm just not in touch.

Samo nisam u toku.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

PM: Yes, you are.

PM: Jesi, jesi.

Actually, that's a documentary

Zapravo, taj dokumentarac

that's available online; the video's online.

je dostupan putem interneta, postoji video.

NA: ShaketheDust.org.

NA: ShaketheDust.org

PM: "Shake the Dust." (NA: "Shake the Dust.")

PM: "Razmrdaj prašinu." (NA: "Razmrdaj prašinu.")

PM: ShaketheDust.org.

PM: ShaketheDust.org.

And it definitely does give a different image of Yemen.

I sasvim sigurno pruža drugačiju sliku Jemena.

You spoke about the responsibility of the press.

Govorila si o odgovornosti štampe.

And certainly, when we look

I sigurno, kad pogledamo

at the ways in which we have separated ourselves from others

načine na koje smo se odvojili od drugih

and we've created fear

i stvorili strah

and danger,

i opasnost,

often from lack of knowledge,

često zbog nedovoljno znanja,

lack of real understanding,

nedostatka pravog razumevanja,

how do you see

kako ti se čini

the way that the Western press in particular

način na koji, zapadna štampa naročito,

is covering this and all other stories out of the region,

pokriva ovo i sve ostale priče iz regiona,

but in particular, in your country?

ali posebno, iz tvoje zemlje?

NA: Well there is a saying that says,

NA: Pa, postoiji jedna izreka koja kaže,

"You fear what you don't know,

"Plašiš se nepoznatog

and you hate what you fear."

i mrziš ono čega se plašiš."

So it's about the lack of research, basically.

Radi se zapravo o nedostatku istraživanja.

It's almost, "Do your homework," --

Skoro kao "Uradi domaći," -

some involvement.

malo uključivanja.

And you cannot do parachute reporting --

I ne možete da radite padobransko izveštavanje -

just jump into a country for two days

samo uskočite u zemlju na dva dana

and think that you've done your homework and a story.

i mislite da ste uradili domaći i priču.

So I wish

Tako da želim

that the world would know my Yemen,

da svet upozna moj Jemen,

my country, my people.

moju zemlju, moje ljude.

I am an example, and there are others like me.

Ja sam jedan primer, i ima drugih koji su kao ja.

We may not be that many,

Možda nas nema tako puno,

but if we are promoted

ali ako se promovišemo

as a good, positive example,

kao dobar, pozivitan primer,

there will be others -- men and women --

biće i drugih - muškaraca i žena -

who can eventually bridge the gap --

koji će najzad premostiti jaz -

again, coming to the bridge --

opet, dolazimo do mosta -

between Yemen and the world

između Jemena i sveta

and telling first

i govoriće prvo

about recognition

o prepoznavanju

and then about communication

i onda o komunikaciji

and compassion.

i saosećanju.

I think Yemen is going to be

Mislim da će Jemen biti

in a very bad situation

u lošem položaju

in the next two or three years.

u naredne dve-tri godine.

It's natural.

To je prirodno.

But after the two years, which is a price we are willing to pay,

Ali posle te dve godine, a to je cena koju smo spremni da platimo,

we are going to stand up again on our feet,

staćemo ponovo na noge,

but in the new Yemen

ali u novom Jemenu

with a younger and more empowered people --

sa mlađim i snažnijim ljudima -

democratic.

demokratskim.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

PM: Nadia, I think you've just given us

PM: Nadia, mislim da si nam upravo dala

a very different view of Yemen.

vrlo drugačiju sliku Jemena.

And certainly you yourself and what you do

I sasvim sigurno, ti sama i ono što radiš

have given us a view of the future

su nam dali pogled u budućnost

that we will embrace

koju ćemo prijvatiti

and be grateful for.

i biti im zahvalni.

And the very best of luck to you.

Sve najbolje.

YemenTimes.com.

YemenTimes.com

NA: On Twitter also.

NA: I na Twitter-u takođe.

PM: So you are plugged in.

PM: Znači, priključena si.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)