Nadia Al-Sakkaf: See Yemen through my eyes

Prevoditelj: Mislav Ante Omazić - EFZG Recezent: Tilen Pigac - EFZG

Pat Mitchell: You have brought us images from the Yemen Times.

Pat Mitchell: Donijeli ste nam slike iz Yemen Times-a.

And take us through those,

I provedite nas kroz njih,

and introduce us to another Yemen.

i upoznajte nas s drugim Jemenom.

Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Well, I'm glad to be here.

Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Drago mi je što sam ovdje.

And I would like to share with you all

I voljela bih podijeliti sa svima vama

some of the pictures that are happening today in Yemen.

neke od slika koje se događaju u današnjem Jemenu.

This picture shows a revolution

Ova slika prikazuje revoluciju

started by women,

koju su započele žene.

and it shows women and men

I pokazuje muškarce i žene

leading a mixed protest.

kako vode mješovite prosvjede.

The other picture

Druga slika

is the popularity of the real need for change.

prikazuje popularnost stvarne potrebe za promjenama.

So many people are there.

Toliko puno ljudi je tamo.

The intensity of the upspring.

Intenzitet ustanka.

This picture shows that the revolution

Ova slika prikazuje kako je revolucija

has allowed opportunities for training,

pružila mogućnost za usavršavanje,

for education.

za obrazovanje.

These women are learning about first aid

Ove žene uče o prvoj pomoći

and their rights according to the constitution.

i o svojim pravima u skladu s ustavom.

I love this picture.

Volim ovu sliku.

I just wanted to show

Samo sam željela pokazati

that over 60 percent of the Yemeni population

kako je preko 60 posto jemenskog stanovništva

are 15 years and below.

mlađe od 15 godina.

And they were excluded from decision-making,

I nisu bili uključeni u proces donošenja odluka,

and now they are in the forefront of the news,

a sada su u prvom planu u vijestima,

raising the flag.

podižu zastavu.

English --

Engleski --

you will see, this is jeans

vidjeti ćete, to su traperice

and tights,

i tajice,

and an English expression --

i engleski izraz --

the ability to share with the world

sposobnost dijeljenja sa svijetom

what is going on in our own country.

onoga što se događa u vašoj zemlji.

And expression also,

I izraz je također

it has brought talents.

donio talente.

Yemenis are using cartoons

Jemenci koriste crtiće

and art,

i umjetnost,

paintings, comics,

slike, stripove,

to tell the world and each other

kako bi rekli svijetu i jedni drugima

about what's going on.

o tome što se događa.

Obviously, there's always the dark side of it.

Očito, uvijek postoji tamna strana toga.

And this is just one of the less-gruesome pictures

I ovo je samo jedna od manje odvratnih slika

of the revolution

revolucije

and the cost that we have to pay.

i cijene koju moramo platiti.

The solidarity

Solidarnost

of millions of Yemenis across the country

milijuna Jemenaca širom zemlje

just demanding the one thing.

koji zahtjevaju samo jednu stvar.

And finally, lots of people are saying

I na kraju, puno ljudi kaže

that Yemen's revolution

kako će jemenska revolucija

is going to break the country.

slomiti zemlju.

Is it going to be so many different countries?

Hoće li biti kao u mnogim drugim zemljama?

Is it going to be another Somalia?

Hoće li to biti druga Somalija?

But we want to tell the world that, no,

Ali mi želimo reći svijetu, ne,

under the one flag, we'll still remain as Yemeni people.

pod jednom zastavom, mi smo i dalje Jemenci.

PM: Thank you for those images, Nadia.

PM: Hvala ti za ove slike, Nadia.

And they do, in many ways,

I one na mnogo načina

tell a different story

pričaju drugačiju priču

than the story of Yemen,

od priče o Jemenu,

the one that is often in the news.

one koja je često u vijestima.

And yet, you yourself

I opet, ti sama

defy all those characterizations.

pobijaš sve te stereotipe.

So let's talk about the personal story for a moment.

Pa, popričajmo malo o osobnoj priči na trenutak.

Your father is murdered.

Tvoj otac je ubijen.

The Yemen Times already has

Yemen Times već ima

a strong reputation in Yemen

jaku reputaciju u Jemenu

as an independent English language newspaper.

kao nezavisan list na engleskom jeziku.

How did you then

Kako si onda

make the decision and assume the responsibilities

odlučila i preuzeti odgovornost

of running a newspaper,

da vodiš jedne novine,

especially in such times of conflict?

posebno u vrijeme sukoba?

NA: Well, let me first warn you

NA: Pa, prvo da vas upozorim

that I'm not the traditional Yemeni girl.

kako ja nisam tradicionalna djevojka iz Jemena.

I've guessed you've already noticed this by now.

Pretpostavljam kako ste već primjetili.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

In Yemen, most women are veiled

U Jemenu, većina žena je pod velom

and they are sitting behind doors

i sjede iza vrata

and not very much part of the public life.

i ne predstavljaju veliki dio društvenog života.

But there's so much potential.

Ali ima toliko potencijala.

I wish I could show you my Yemen.

Voljela bih kada bih vam mogla pokazati svoj Jemen.

I wish you could see

Željela bih da možete vidjeti

Yemen through my eyes.

Jemen kroz moje oči.

Then you would know

Onda biste znali

that there's so much to it.

kako postoji toliko toga za napraviti.

And I was privileged because I was born into a family,

A ja sam privilegirana jer sam rođena u obitelji,

my father would always encourage the boys and the girls.

moj otac je uvijek poticao dječake i djevojčice.

He would say we are equal.

On bi rekao da smo jednaki.

And he was such an extraordinary man.

A on je bio izuzetan čovjek.

And even my mother -- I owe it to my family.

Čak i moja majka -- dugujem to svojoj obitelji --

A story:

priča.

I studied in India.

Studirala sam u Indiji.

And in my third year, I started becoming confused

I na mojoj trećoj godini, postala sam zbunjena

because I was Yemeni,

jer sam bila Jemenka,

but I was also mixing up

ali sam također imala

with a lot of my friends in college.

puno prijatelja na fakultetu.

And I went back home and I said,

Vratila sam se kući i rekla,

"Daddy, I don't know who I am.

"Tata, ne znam tko sam.

I'm not a Yemeni; I'm not an Indian."

Nisam Jemenka, nisam Indijka".

And he said, "You are the bridge."

A on je rekao, "Ti si most".

And that is something I will keep in my heart forever.

I to ću zauvijek čuvati u srcu.

So since then I've been the bridge,

I od tada, ja sam most,

and a lot of people have walked over me.

i puno je ljudi prešlo preko njega.

PM: I don't think so. (Laughter)

PM: Ne bih rekla.

NA: But it just helps tell

NA: Ali pomaže kada se kaže

that some people are change agents

kako neki ljudi utječu na promjene

in the society.

u društvu.

And when I became editor-in-chief

I kada sam postala glavna urednica

after my brother actually --

poslije mog brata, zapravo --

my father passed away in 1999,

moj otac je preminuo 1999.

and then my brother until 2005 --

a onda i moj brat 2005. --

and everybody was betting that I will not be able to do it.

i svi su se kladili kako neću uspjeti.

"What's this young girl coming in and showing off

"Zbog čega ova mlada djevojka dolazi i pravi se važna

because it's her family business," or something.

jer je to njen obiteljski posao", ili nešto slično.

It was very hard at first.

Bilo je jako teško isprva.

I didn't want to clash with people.

Nisam se htjela sukobljavati s ljudima.

But with all due respect

Ali uz svo dužno poštovanje

to all the men, and the older men especially,

svim muškarcima, a posebno starijim muškarcima,

they did not want me around.

oni me nisu htjeli u blizini.

It was very hard, you know,

Bilo je jako teško, znate,

to impose my authority.

nametnuti moj autoritet.

But a woman's got to do what a woman's got to do.

Ali žena mora učiniti ono što mora učiniti.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

And in the first year,

I u prvoj godini,

I had to fire half of the men.

morala sam otpustiti polovicu muškaraca.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Brought in more women.

Uključiti još žena.

Brought in younger men.

Uključiti mlađe muškarce.

And we have a more gender-balanced newsroom today.

I tako danas imamo izbalansiraniju redakciju.

The other thing is that it's about professionalism.

Druga stvar je da se ovdje radi o profesionalizmu.

It's about proving who you are and what you can do.

Rdai se o tome da pokažeš tko si i što možeš napraviti.

And I don't know if I'm going to be boasting now,

I ne znam hoću li se hvaliti sada

but in 2006 alone,

ali samo u 2006. godini

we won three international awards.

osvojili smo tri međunarodne nagrade.

One of them is the IPI

Jedna od njih je "IPI",

Free Media Pioneer Award.

Nagradu za pionira slobodnih medija.

So that was the answer

Tako da je to bio odgovor

to all the Yemeni people.

svim Jemencima.

And I want to score a point here,

I želim osvojiti bod ovdje,

because my husband is in the room over there.

jer moj se muž nalazi u dvorani ovdje.

If you could please stand up, [unclear].

Ako se molim te možeš ustati, [nejasno].

He has been very supportive of me.

Bio mi je velika podrška.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

PM: And we should point out

PM: I morali bismo naglasiti

that he works with you as well at the paper.

kako radi zajedno s tobom na novinama.

But in assuming this responsibility

Ali kada treba preuzeti odgovornost

and going about it as you have,

i iskoristiti je kao ti,

you have become a bridge

postala si most

between an older and traditional society

između starijeg i tradicionalnijeg društva

and the one that you are now creating at the paper.

i onog koje upravo stvaraš novinama.

And so along with changing who worked there,

Uz promjene zaposlenika,

you must have come up against another positioning

sigurno si naišla na još jednu sliku

that we always run into, in particular with women,

na koju uvijek naletimo, posebno kada su u pitanju žene,

and it has to do with outside image,

a ima veze s vanjskom slikom,

dress, the veiled woman.

odjećom, žene pod velom.

So how have you dealt with this

Kako si se borila s time

on a personal level

na osobnoj razini

as well as the women who worked for you?

a kako žene koje su radile za tebe?

NA: As you know,

NA: Kao što znate,

the image of a lot of Yemeni women is a lot of black

slika o jemenskim ženama je slika jako crnih

and covered, veiled women.

i velom prekrivenih žena.

And this is true.

I to je istina.

And a lot of it is

I puno toga je

because women are not able, are not free,

zbog toga što žene nisu u mogućnosti, nisu slobodne,

to show their face to their self.

pokazati svoja lica samima sebi.

It's a lot of traditional imposing

Puno je tradicionalnog nametanja

coming by authority figures

koje dolazi od autoriteta

such as the men, the grandparents and so on.

poput muškaraca, djedova i baka i tako dalje.

And it's economic empowerment

A to je i ekonomsko osnaživanje

and the ability for a woman to say,

i mogućnost za žene da kaže,

"I am as much contributing to this family, or more,

"Ja doprinosim ovoj obitelji jednaki, ili više,

than you are."

nego ti".

And the more empowered the women become,

I što žene postaju sve snažnije,

the more they are able to remove the veil, for example,

to će biti više u mogućnosti da skinu veo, na primjer,

or to drive their own car

ili da voze vlastiti auto

or to have a job or to be able to travel.

ili da imaju posao ili da mogu putovati.

So the other face of Yemen

Tako da je drugo lice Jemena

is actually one

zapravo ono

that lies behind the veil,

koje se nalazi iza vela.

and it's economic empowerment mostly

I zapravo je ekonomska samostalnost

that allows the woman to just uncover it.

ono što ženama omogućuje da ga maknu.

And I have done this throughout my work.

I ja to radim kroz cijeli svoj rad.

I've tried to encourage young girls.

Pokušavam ohrabriti mlade djevojke.

We started with, you can take it off in the office.

Počeli smo s time da ga mogu skinuti u uredima.

And then after that, you can take it off on assignments.

A nakon toga, mogu ga skinuti na zadacima.

Because I didn't believe a journalist can be a journalist with --

Nisam vjerovala da novinar može biti novinar s --

how can you talk to people if you have your face covered? --

kako ćeš pričati s ljudima ako ti je lice pokriveno? --

and so on; it's just a movement.

i tako dalje; to je samo pokret.

And I am a role model in Yemen.

I ja sam primjer u Jemenu.

A lot of people look up to me.

Puno ljudi se ugleda na mene.

A lot of young girls look up to me.

I puno mladih djevojaka se ugleda na mene.

And I need to prove to them that, yes, you can still be married,

I ja im moram dokazati, točno, možete biti udane,

you can still be a mother,

možete biti majke,

and you can still be respected within the society,

i još vas uvijek mogu cijenit u društvu,

but at the same time,

ali u isto vrijeme,

that doesn't mean you [should] just be one of the crowd.

to ne znači kako biste trebale biti jedna u gomili.

You can be yourself and have your face.

Možeš biti ti i imati svoje lice.

PM: But by putting yourself personally out there --

PM: Ali to što se osobno pokazuješ --

both projecting a different image

i daješ drugačiju sliku

of Yemeni women,

jemenskih žena,

but also what you have made possible

ali i onoga što si učinila mogućim

for the women who work at the paper --

za žene koje rade za novine --

has this put you in personal danger?

je li te to osobno dovelo u opasnost?

NA: Well the Yemen Times, across 20 years,

NA: Pa, Yemen Times je tijekom 20 godina,

has been through so much.

prošao kroz mnogo toga.

We've suffered prosecution;

Bili smo proganjani;

the paper was closed down more than three times.

novine su zatvarali više od tri puta.

It's an independent newspaper,

To su nezavisne novine,

but tell that to the people in charge.

ali recite to onima koji donose odluke.

They think that if there's anything against them,

Misle da ako ima bilo čega protiv njih,

then we are being an opposition newspaper.

onda smo novine opozicije.

And very, very difficult times.

I jako, jako teško vrijeme.

Some of my reporters were arrested.

Neki moji reporteri su bili hapšeni.

We had some court cases.

Bili smo na nekim suđenjima.

My father was assassinated.

Moj otac je ubijen.

Today, we are in a much better situation.

Danas je situacija bitno bolja.

We've created the credibility.

Stvorili smo kredibilitet.

And in times of revolution or change like today,

I u vrijeme revolucija ili promjena kao danas,

it is very important for independent media to have a voice.

jako je važno da nezavisni mediji imaju svoj glas.

It's very important

Jako je važno

for you to go to YemenTimes.com,

da odete na yementimes.com,

and it's very important

i jako je važno

to listen to our voice.

da slušate naš glas.

And this is probably something

I to je vjerojatno nešto

I'm going to share with you

što ću podijeliti s vama

in Western media probably --

u zapadnim medijima, vjerojatno --

and how there's a lot of stereotypes --

kako ima puno stereotipa --

thinking of Yemen in one single frame:

kad se razmišlja o Jemenu kao jednom okviru:

this is what Yemen is all about.

ovo je Jemen.

And that's not fair.

I to nije fer.

It's not fair for me; it's not fair for my country.

Nije fer za mene, ni za moju zemlju.

A lot of reporters come to Yemen

Puno reportera dolazi u Jemen

and they want to write a story on Al-Qaeda or terrorism.

i oni žele pisati o Al-Qaeda-i ili terorizmu.

And I just wanted to share with you:

I samo želim s vama podijeliti:

there's one reporter that came.

bio je jedan novinar koji je došao.

He wanted to do a documentary

Htio je napraviti dokumentarac

on what his editors wanted.

o nečemu što su njegovi urednici htjeli.

And he ended up writing about a story that even surprised me --

A na kraju je pisao o priči koja je čak i mene iznenadila --

hip hop --

hip hop --

that there are young Yemeni men

da ima mladih Jemenaca

who express themselves

koji se izražavaju

through dancing and puchu puchu.

kroz ples i "punchu punchu".

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

That thing. (PM: Rap. Break dancing.)

Ono. (PM: Rap, breakdance.)

Yeah, break dancing.

Da, breakdance.

I'm not so old.

Nisam baš toliko stara.

I'm just not in touch.

Samo nisam u tijeku.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

PM: Yes, you are.

PM: Jesi, jesi.

Actually, that's a documentary

Zapravo, taj dokumentarac

that's available online; the video's online.

je dostupan putem interneta, postoji video.

NA: ShaketheDust.org.

NA: ShaketheDust.org.

PM: "Shake the Dust." (NA: "Shake the Dust.")

PM: "Prodrmaj prašinu". (NA: "Promrdaj prašinu".)

PM: ShaketheDust.org.

PM: ShaketheDust.org.

And it definitely does give a different image of Yemen.

I sasvim sigurno pruža drugačiju sliku Jemena.

You spoke about the responsibility of the press.

Govorila si o odgovornosti tiska.

And certainly, when we look

I sigurno, kada pogledamo

at the ways in which we have separated ourselves from others

načine na koje smo se odvojili od drugih

and we've created fear

i stvorili strah

and danger,

i opasnost,

often from lack of knowledge,

često zbog nedovoljno znanja,

lack of real understanding,

nedostatka pravog razumjevanja,

how do you see

kako ti se čini

the way that the Western press in particular

način na koji, zapadni tisak posebno,

is covering this and all other stories out of the region,

pokriva ovu i sve ostale priče iz regije,

but in particular, in your country?

ali posebno, iz tvoje zemlje?

NA: Well there is a saying that says,

NA: Postoji izreka koja kaže,

"You fear what you don't know,

Plašite se onoga što ne poznajete

and you hate what you fear."

i mrzite ono čega se bojite".

So it's about the lack of research, basically.

Radi se zapravo o nedostatku istraživanja.

It's almost, "Do your homework," --

Skoro kao "napravi domaću zadaću", --

some involvement.

malo uključivanja.

And you cannot do parachute reporting --

I ne možete padobranski izvještavati --

just jump into a country for two days

skočiti u zemlju na dva dana

and think that you've done your homework and a story.

i misliti kako ste napravili domaću zadaću i priču.

So I wish

Tako želim

that the world would know my Yemen,

da svijet upozna moj Jemen,

my country, my people.

moju zemlju, moje ljude.

I am an example, and there are others like me.

Ja sam primjer, i postoje drugi poput mene.

We may not be that many,

Možda nas nema toliko puno,

but if we are promoted

ali ako nas se promovira

as a good, positive example,

kao dobre, pozitivne primjere,

there will be others -- men and women --

doći će drugi -- muškarci i žene --

who can eventually bridge the gap --

koji će na kraju premostiti jaz --

again, coming to the bridge --

opet, kada smo kod mosta --

between Yemen and the world

između Jemena i svijeta

and telling first

i govoreći prvo

about recognition

o pepoznavanju

and then about communication

i onda o komunikaciji

and compassion.

i suosjećanju.

I think Yemen is going to be

Mislim kako će Jemenci biti

in a very bad situation

u lošem položaju

in the next two or three years.

u slijedeće dvije-tri godine.

It's natural.

To je prirodno.

But after the two years, which is a price we are willing to pay,

Ali poslije te dvije godine, a to je cijena koju smo spremni platiti,

we are going to stand up again on our feet,

stati ćemo ponovno na noge,

but in the new Yemen

ali u novom Jemenu

with a younger and more empowered people --

s mlađim i snažnijim ljudima --

democratic.

demokratskim.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

PM: Nadia, I think you've just given us

PM: Nadia, mislim da si nam upravo dala

a very different view of Yemen.

bitno drugačiju sliku Jemena.

And certainly you yourself and what you do

I sasvim sigurno, ti sama i ono što radiš

have given us a view of the future

su nam dali pogled na budućnost

that we will embrace

koju ćemo prigrliti

and be grateful for.

i biti zahvalni.

And the very best of luck to you.

I puno sreće ti želim.

YemenTimes.com.

YemenTimes.com.

NA: On Twitter also.

NA: I na Twitteru također.

PM: So you are plugged in.

PM: Dakle uključeni ste.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)