Mother and daughter doctor-heroes: Hawa Abdi + Deqo Mohamed

Translator: Snežana Stone Reviewer: Tilen Pigac - EFZG

Hawa Abdi: Many people -- 20 years for Somalia --

V Somaliji se že 20 let

[were] fighting.

številni ljudje vojskujejo.

So there was no job, no food.

Zato ni bilo služb, ni bilo hrane.

Children, most of them,

Večina otrok

became very malnourished, like this.

je podhranjenih, kot tale.

Deqo Mohamed: So as you know,

Kakor veste,

always in a civil war,

so v državljanski vojni

the ones affected most [are] the women and children.

najbolj prizadeti ženske in otroci.

So our patients are women and children.

Zato so naši pacienti ženske in otroci.

And they are in our backyard.

Prebivajo na našem dvorišču.

It's our home. We welcome them.

To je naš dom, kjer so dobrodošli.

That's the camp that we have in now

V našem kampu imamo ta trenutek

90,000 people,

90.000 ljudi,

where 75 percent of them are women and children.

od katerih je 75 % žensk in otrok.

Pat Mitchell: And this is your hospital. This is the inside.

To je vaša bolnišnica, njena notranjost.

HA: We are doing C-sections and different operations

Delamo carske reze in druge operacije,

because people need some help.

kajti ljudje potrebujejo pomoč.

There is no government to protect them.

Ni vlade, ki bi jih zaščitila.

DM: Every morning we have about 400 patients,

Vsako jutro pride okoli 400 bolnikov,

maybe more or less.

morda več, morda manj.

But sometimes we are only five doctors

Včasih nas je le pet zdravnikov

and 16 nurses,

in 16 medicinskih sester,

and we are physically getting exhausted to see all of them.

pregledi nas fizično izčrpajo.

But we take the severe ones,

Sprejmemo resne primere,

and we reschedule the other ones the next day.

ostale prenaročimo na naslednji dan.

It is very tough.

Zelo je težko.

And as you can see, it's the women who are carrying the children;

Kot vidite, so ženske tiste, ki nosijo otroke,

it's the women who come into the hospitals;

ženske pridejo v bolnišnico,

it's the women [are] building the houses.

ženske so zgradile hiše.

That's their house.

To so njihove hiše.

And we have a school. This is our bright --

Imamo šolo. To so naše svetle ...

we opened [in the] last two years [an] elementary school

V zadnjih dveh letih smo odprli osnovno šolo,

where we have 850 children,

kamor hodi 850 otrok,

and the majority are women and girls.

večinoma žensk in deklic.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

PM: And the doctors have some very big rules

Zdravniki so določili nekaj pravil o tem,

about who can get treated at the clinic.

kdo se lahko zdravi na kliniki.

Would you explain the rules for admission?

Nam razložite pravila za sprejem?

HA: The people who are coming to us,

Ljudje, ki pridejo k nam,

we are welcoming.

so dobrodošli.

We are sharing with them

Z njimi delimo to,

whatever we have.

kar imamo.

But there are only two rules.

Imamo le dve pravili.

First rule:

Prvo pravilo:

there is no clan distinguished and political division

v somalski družbi ni razlik med klani

in Somali society.

in ni politične delitve.

[Whomever] makes those things we throw out.

Kdor to počne, ga vržemo ven.

The second:

Drugo pravilo:

no man can beat his wife.

noben moški ne sme pretepati žene.

If he beat,

Če jo pretepa,

we will put [him] in jail,

ga zapremo

and we will call the eldest people.

in pokličemo naše staroste.

Until they identify this case,

Dokler ne razrešijo njegovega primera,

we'll never release him.

ga ne izpustimo.

That's our two rules.

To sta naši dve pravili.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

The other thing that I have realized,

Spoznala sem,

that the woman is the most strong person

da so ženske najmočnejše osebe

all over the world.

po celem svetu.

Because the last 20 years,

V zadnjih 20-ih letih

the Somali woman has stood up.

se je somalska ženska dvignila.

They were the leaders,

Bile so voditeljice;

and we are the leaders

me smo voditeljice

of our community

naše skupnosti

and the hope of our future generations.

in upanje za prihodnje generacije.

We are not just the helpless

Nismo nemočne

and the victims of the civil war.

in žrtve državljanske vojne.

We can reconcile.

Lahko zgladimo spore.

We can do everything.

Vsega smo zmožne.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

DM: As my mother said, we are the future hope,

Kot je mati rekla, smo upanje za prihodnost.

and the men are only killing in Somalia.

Moški so tisti, ki ubijajo v Somaliji.

So we came up with these two rules.

Zato smo določili ti dve pravili.

In a camp with 90,000 people,

V kampu z 90.000 ljudmi

you have to come up with some rules or there is going to be some fights.

moraš imeti pravila, drugače pride do sporov.

So there is no clan division,

Ni klanske ureditve

and no man can beat his wife.

in noben moški ne sme pretepati svoje žene.

And we have a little storage room

Nekdanjo shrambo

where we converted a jail.

smo spremenili v zapor.

So if you beat your wife, you're going to be there.

Če pretepaš ženo, greš tja.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

So empowering the women and giving the opportunity --

Dati moč ženskam, dati jim možnost -

we are there for them. They are not alone for this.

v podporo smo jim, niso same.

PM: You're running a medical clinic.

Vodite kliniko,

It brought much, much needed medical care

ki je prinesla prepotrebno medicinsko oskrbo

to people who wouldn't get it.

ljudem, ki je drugače ne bi dobili.

You're also running a civil society.

Vodite tudi civilno družbo.

You've created your own rules,

Imate svoja pravila,

in which women and children

ki prinašajo ženskam in otrokom

are getting a different sense of security.

drugačen občutek varnosti.

Talk to me about your decision, Dr. Abdi,

Povejta mi o vajini odločitvi,

and your decision, Dr. Mohamed,

dr. Abdi in dr. Mohamed,

to work together --

da delata skupaj -

for you to become a doctor

o vaši odločitvi, da postanete zdravnica

and to work with your mother in these circumstances.

in delate z materjo v teh okoliščinah.

HA: My age --

Moja leta -

because I was born in 1947 --

kajti rojena sem leta 1947 -

we were having, at that time,

v tistem obdobju

government, law and order.

smo imeli vlado, zakon in red.

But one day, I went to the hospital --

Nekega dne sem šla v bolnišnico -

my mother was sick --

moja mati je bila bolna -

and I saw the hospital, how they [were] treating the doctors,

kjer sem videla, kako ravnajo z zdravniki,

how they [are] committed

in kako so le-ti odločni,

to help the sick people.

da bodo pomagali bolnim ljudem.

I admired them,

Občudovala sem jih

and I decided to become a doctor.

in se odločila, da postanem zdravnica.

My mother died, unfortunately,

Moja mati je na žalost umrla,

when I was 12 years [old].

ko mi je bilo 12 let.

Then my father allowed me

Oče mi je nato dovolil,

to proceed [with] my hope.

da sledim svojemu upanju.

My mother died

Mati je umrla

in [a] gynecology complication,

zaradi zapleta pri ginekološkem posegu,

so I decided to become

zato sem se odločila,

a gynecology specialist.

da postanem ginekolog.

That's why I became a doctor.

Zato sem postala zdravnica.

So Dr. Deqo has to explain.

Dr. Deqo bo razložila svojo odločitev.

DM: For me, my mother was preparing [me] when I was a child

Že kot otroka me je mati pripravljala

to become a doctor, but I really didn't want to.

na poklic zdravnice, a tega v resnici nisem želela.

Maybe I should become an historian,

Raje bi bila zgodovinarka

or maybe a reporter.

ali novinarka.

I loved it, but it didn't work.

To sem imela rada, a se ni izšlo.

When the war broke out -- civil war --

Ko je izbruhnila državljanska vojna,

I saw how my mother was helping

sem videla mamo pomagati ljudem

and how she really needed the help,

in kako resnično potrebuje pomoč,

and how the care is essential to the woman

ker je oskrba nujna za ženske.

to be a woman doctor in Somalia

Videla sem, kako je biti zdravnica v Somaliji

and help the women and children.

ter pomagati ženskam in otrokom.

And I thought, maybe I can be a reporter and doctor gynecologist.

Pomislila sem: morda sem lahko novinarka in ginekologinja.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

So I went to Russia, and my mother also,

Šla sem v Rusijo, tako kot mati,

[during the] time of [the] Soviet Union.

v času Sovjetske Zveze.

So some of our character,

Del najinega karakterja morda

maybe we will come with a strong Soviet background of training.

izhaja iz stroge sovjetske šole.

So that's how I decided [to do] the same.

Tako sem se jaz odločila za isto pot.

My sister was different.

Moja sestra je drugačna.

She's here. She's also a doctor.

Danes je tukaj z nami. Tudi ona je zdravnica.

She graduated in Russia also.

Ravno tako je diplomirala v Rusiji.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

And to go back and to work with our mother

Vrnili sva se, da bi delali z mamo

is just what we saw in the civil war --

zaradi tega, kar sva videli v državljanski vojni.

when I was 16, and my sister was 11,

Bilo mi je 16 let, moji sestri pa 11,

when the civil war broke out.

ko je izbruhnila državljanska vojna.

So it was the need and the people we saw

Potrebe ljudi, ki sva jih videli

in the early '90s --

že v zgodnjih 90. letih,

that's what made us go back

so naju pripravile do tega, da se vrneva

and work for them.

in delava za ljudi.

PM: So what is the biggest challenge

Kaj je torej največji izziv

working, mother and daughter,

pri delu matere in hčere

in such dangerous

v teh nevarnih,

and sometimes scary situations?

včasih celo strašnih situacijah?

HA: Yes, I was working in a tough situation,

Ja, delala sem v težkih situacijah,

very dangerous.

zelo nevarnih.

And when I saw the people who needed me,

Ko sem videla, da me ljudje potrebujejo,

I was staying with them to help,

sem ostala, da bi jim pomagala,

because I [could] do something for them.

ker sem imela možnost nekaj narediti za njih.

Most people fled abroad.

Večina ljudi je zbežala v tujino.

But I remained with those people,

Jaz pa sem ostala z ljudmi

and I was trying to do something --

in skušala nekaj narediti,

[any] little thing I [could] do.

vsaj tisto malo, kar sem lahko.

I succeeded in my place.

V mojem kraju mi je uspelo.

Now my place is 90,000 people

V mojem kraju živi 90.000 ljudi,

who are respecting each other,

ki se spoštujejo,

who are not fighting.

ki se ne vojskujejo.

But we try to stand on our feet,

Poskušamo se postaviti na noge

to do something, little things, we can for our people.

in nekaj narediti za naše ljudi.

And I'm thankful for my daughters.

Hvaležna sem svojima hčerkama.

When they come to me,

Ko prideta k meni,

they help me to treat the people,

mi pomagata zdraviti ljudi,

to help.

v pomoč sta mi.

They do everything for them.

Vse naredita za njih.

They have done what I desire to do for them.

Vse, kar sem želela od njiju, sta naredili.

PM: What's the best part

Kaj je najboljše

of working with your mother,

pri delu z mamo

and the most challenging part for you?

in kaj je za vas najtežje?

DM: She's very tough; it's most challenging.

Zahtevna je, to je najtežje.

She always expects us to do more.

Vedno pričakuje več od nas.

And really when you think [you] cannot do it,

Ko misliš, da ne moreš več,

she will push you, and I can do it.

te porine - in vidim, da zmorem.

That's the best part.

To je najboljši del.

She shows us, trains us how to do

Uči nas, kako naj delamo,

and how to be better [people]

kako naj bomo boljši ljudje

and how to do long hours in surgery --

in kako naj zdržimo dolge operacije.

300 patients per day,

300 pacientov na dan,

10, 20 surgeries,

10, 20 operacij,

and still you have to manage the camp --

poleg tega pa še upravljamo kamp.

that's how she trains us.

Tako nas uči.

It is not like beautiful offices here,

Nimamo lepih ordinacij kot vi tukaj,

20 patients, you're tired.

20 pacientov in že ste utrujeni.

You see 300 patients, 20 surgeries

Sprejmemo 300 ljudi, naredimo 20 operacij

and 90,000 people to manage.

in še 90.000 ljudi nadziramo.

PM: But you do it for good reasons.

Vendar to počnete iz dobrih razlogov.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

Wait. Wait.

Počakajta.

HA: Thank you.

Hvala.

DM: Thank you.

Hvala.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

HA: Thank you very much. DM: Thank you very much.

Najlepša hvala.