Atheism 2.0 | Alain de Botton

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Woo Hwang ๊ฒ€ํ† : Young-ho Park
00:15
One of the most common ways of dividing the world
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์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋‘˜๋กœ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํ†ต์ƒ์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
00:18
is into those who believe
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๋ฏฟ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๊ณผ
00:20
and those who don't --
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๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ
00:22
into the religious and the atheists.
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์ฆ‰, ์ข…๊ต์ธ๊ณผ ๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์ž๋กœ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:25
And for the last decade or so,
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์ง€๋‚œ 10 ์—ฌ๋…„๊ฐ„
00:27
it's been quite clear
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๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
00:29
what being an atheist means.
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๋„๋ฆฌ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๋ ค์ง„ ๋ฐ” ์žˆ์ง€์š”.
00:31
There have been some very vocal atheists
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๊ฐ„๋‹จํžˆ ๋งํ•ด ํ‹€๋ ธ์„ ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
00:34
who've pointed out,
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์šฐ์Šค๊ฝ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ 
00:36
not just that religion is wrong,
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๊ฐ•๊ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ง€์ ํ•œ ๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์ž๋“ค์ด
00:38
but that it's ridiculous.
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๊ทผ๋ž˜์— ์ƒ๋‹น์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
00:40
These people, many of whom have lived in North Oxford,
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€, ๊ทธ์ค‘ ๋งŽ์€ ์ด๋“ค์ด ๋ถ ์˜ฅ์Šคํฌ๋“œ์— ์‚ด์ฃ ,
00:43
have argued --
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์‹ ์„ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
00:45
they've argued that believing in God
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์š”์ •์„ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
00:48
is akin to believing in fairies
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๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ 
00:50
and essentially that the whole thing
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๊ทผ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•„์ด๋“ค์˜
00:52
is a childish game.
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์žฅ๋‚œ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:54
Now I think it's too easy.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:56
I think it's too easy
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ํ„ํ•˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
00:58
to dismiss the whole of religion that way.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•˜๊ณ  ์‰ฌ์›Œ์š”.
01:01
And it's as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
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ํ†ต์•ˆ์˜ ๋ฌผ๊ณ ๊ธฐ ๋‚š์‹œํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์‰ฝ์ฃ .
01:03
And what I'd like to inaugurate today
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•˜๊ณ ์ž ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
01:05
is a new way of being an atheist --
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๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:07
if you like, a new version of atheism
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๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์˜ ์ƒˆ ๋ฒ„์ ผ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
01:10
we could call Atheism 2.0.
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๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก  2.0์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฅผ๊นŒ์š”?
01:13
Now what is Atheism 2.0?
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์ž, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก  2.0์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
01:15
Well it starts from a very basic premise:
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๊ทธ ๋‹ต์€ ์•„์ฃผ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:17
of course, there's no God.
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์‹ ์€ ์—†์ฃ .
01:20
Of course, there are no deities or supernatural spirits
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๋ฌผ๋ก  ์‹ ์„ฑ์ด๋‚˜ ์ดˆ์ž์—ฐ์ ์ธ ์‹ ๋ น ๋˜๋Š”
01:23
or angels, etc.
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์ฒœ์‚ฌ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค๋„ ์—†์ฃ .
01:25
Now let's move on; that's not the end of the story,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ๊ฑธ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋๋‚˜๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
01:28
that's the very, very beginning.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
01:31
I'm interested in the kind of constituency
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์ œ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์˜ ๋Œ€์ƒ์€
01:34
that thinks something along these lines:
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๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค:
01:36
that thinks, "I can't believe in any of this stuff.
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"๋‚œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑด ํ•˜๋‚˜๋„ ๋ฏฟ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด.
01:38
I can't believe in the doctrines.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ต๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฏฟ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์–ด.
01:41
I don't think these doctrines are right.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ต๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ณ์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด.
01:43
But," a very important but, "I love Christmas carols.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋งŒ, "๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋งŒ"์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ฃ ", ๋‚˜๋Š” ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค๋งˆ์Šค ์บ๋กค์„
01:47
I really like the art of Mantegna.
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์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋งŒํ…Œ๋ƒ์˜ ์ž‘ํ’ˆ๋„ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ ,
01:50
I really like looking at old churches.
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์œ ์„œ ๊นŠ์€ ๊ตํšŒ๋ฅผ๋„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ 
01:52
I really like turning the pages of the Old Testament."
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๊ตฌ์•ฝ ์„ฑ์„œ๋ฅผ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด.." ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
01:55
Whatever it may be,
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ํ•˜์—ฌํŠผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์€
01:57
you know the kind of thing I'm talking about --
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์ด์ œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์Šจ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์•„์‹œ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
01:59
people who are attracted to the ritualistic side,
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์ฆ‰, ์ข…๊ต์˜ ์˜์‹ ์ ˆ์ฐจ๋‚˜ ์œค๋ฆฌ ์˜์‹ ๋˜๋Š”
02:01
the moralistic, communal side of religion,
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๊ณต๋™์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ƒํ™œ ์ธก๋ฉด์—๋Š” ๋งค๋ฃŒ๋˜์ง€๋งŒ
02:04
but can't bear the doctrine.
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๊ต๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:06
Until now, these people have faced a rather unpleasant choice.
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์„ ํƒ๋‹ค์šด ์„ ํƒ์˜ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์–ด์š”.
02:09
It's almost as though either you accept the doctrine
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๊ต๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๊ณ 
02:12
and then you can have all the nice stuff,
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์ข…๊ต์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ˆ„๋ฆฌ๋“ ์ง€, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด
02:14
or you reject the doctrine and
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๊ต๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์ฒ™ํ•˜๊ณ 
02:16
you're living in some kind of spiritual wasteland
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CNN ์ด๋‚˜ ์›”๋งˆํŠธ์˜ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜์—
02:18
under the guidance of CNN and Walmart.
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์ •์‹ ์  ํ™ฉ๋ฌด์ง€์—์„œ ์‚ด๋“ ์ง€ ๋‘˜ ์ค‘์— ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜€์ฃ .
02:20
So that's a sort of tough choice.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์•„์ฃผ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ์„ ํƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:22
I don't think we have to make that choice.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์„ ํƒ์„ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:24
I think there is an alternative.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋Œ€์•ˆ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:26
I think there are ways --
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ์žˆ์ฃ  --
02:28
and I'm being both very respectful and completely impious --
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์ €๋Š” ์ข…๊ต์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊นŠ์€ ์กด๊ฒฝ์‹ฌ๊ณผ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ถˆ๊ฒฝ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ์ƒ๊ฐ์„
02:31
of stealing from religions.
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๋™์‹œ์— ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:33
If you don't believe in a religion,
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด,
02:35
there's nothing wrong with picking and mixing,
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์ข…๊ต์—์„œ ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„๋งŒ ๊ณจ๋ผ์„œ
02:37
with taking out the best sides of religion.
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๋งˆ์Œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์„ž์–ด๋„ ์ƒ๊ด€์—†์ง€์š”.
02:40
And for me, atheism 2.0
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์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก  2.0์€
02:42
is about both, as I say,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•ž์„œ ๋งํ•œ ๋ฐ”์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด
02:44
a respectful and an impious way
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์กด๊ฒฝ์‹ฌ๊ณผ ๋ถˆ๊ฒฝํ•œ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ
02:47
of going through religions and saying, "What here could we use?"
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"์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์“ธ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฒŒ ๋ญ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‚˜?" ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ง€์š”.
02:50
The secular world is full of holes.
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์„ธ์†์ ์ธ ์„ธ์ƒ์€ ์˜จํ†ต ํ—›์  ํˆฌ์„ฑ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:52
We have secularized badly, I would argue.
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์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„œํˆฌ๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ์„ธ์†ํ™”๋๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ฃผ์žฅํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:55
And a thorough study of religion
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์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ์ฒ ์ €ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋ฉด
02:57
could give us all sorts of insights
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์ธ์ƒ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋น„ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ
02:59
into areas of life that are not going too well.
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๋งŽ์€ ํ†ต์ฐฐ๋ ฅ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
03:02
And I'd like to run through a few of these today.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์˜ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์‚ดํŽด ๋ณด์ฃ .
03:06
I'd like to kick off by looking at education.
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์šฐ์„  ๊ต์œก ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋จผ์ € ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:09
Now education is a field
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๊ต์œก์€ ์„ธ์†์ ์ธ ์„ธ์ƒ์ด
03:11
the secular world really believes in.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋ฏฟ๊ณ  ์˜์กดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘์— ํ•˜๋‚˜์ฃ .
03:13
When we think about how we're going to make the world a better place,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋” ์ข‹์€ ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
03:15
we think education; that's where we put a lot of money.
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๊ต์œก์— ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ํˆฌ์žํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:18
Education is going to give us, not only commercial skills, industrial skills,
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๊ต์œก์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ƒ์—…์ ์ธ ํ˜น์€ ์‚ฐ์—…์ ์ธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ์ค„ ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
03:21
it's also going to make us better people.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋” ์ข‹์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ .
03:23
You know the kind of thing a commencement address is, and graduation ceremonies,
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ํ•™์œ„ ์ˆ˜์—ฌ์‹์ด๋‚˜ ์กธ์—…์‹์—์„œ๋Š”
03:26
those lyrical claims
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๊ต์œก์ด, ๊ต์œก ๊ณผ์ •์ด, ํŠนํžˆ ๊ณ ๋“ฑ ๊ต์œก์ด
03:28
that education, the process of education -- particularly higher education --
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ ๋‹ค๋Š”
03:31
will make us into nobler and better human beings.
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์„œ์ •์ ์ธ ํ†ค์˜ ์—ฐ์„ค์„ ๋งŽ์ด ํ•˜์ง€์š”.
03:34
That's a lovely idea.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ํ ์žก๊ธฐ ํž˜๋“  ๋ง์ด์—์š”.
03:36
Interesting where it came from.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ํฅ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‚ด๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
03:38
In the early 19th century,
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19์„ธ๊ธฐ ์ดˆ์—,
03:40
church attendance in Western Europe
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์„œ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์—์„œ ๊ตํšŒ์— ๊ฐ€๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€
03:42
started sliding down very, very sharply, and people panicked.
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๊ธ‰์†ํžˆ ๊ฐ์†Œํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹นํ™ฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:45
They asked themselves the following question.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค์Œ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
03:47
They said, where are people going to find the morality,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋””์„œ ๋„๋•์„ฑ์„ ์ฐพ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€?
03:50
where are they going to find guidance,
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์–ด๋””์„œ ์ธ์ƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง€๋„๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์„ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€?
03:52
and where are they going to find sources of consolation?
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์–ด๋””์„œ ์œ„๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ธ๊ฐ€?
03:54
And influential voices came up with one answer.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์˜ํ–ฅ๋ ฅ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•œ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹ต์„ ์ œ์‹œํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:56
They said culture.
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"๋ฌธํ™”"๊ฐ€ ํ•ด๊ฒฐ์ฑ…์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
03:58
It's to culture that we should look
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์ฆ‰, ๋ฌธํ™”๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์ง€๋„๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ , ์œ„๋กœ ๋ฐ›๊ณ 
04:00
for guidance, for consolation, for morality.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋„๋•์„ฑ์„ ์ฐพ์ž๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:03
Let's look to the plays of Shakespeare,
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์…ฐ์ต์Šคํ”ผ์–ด์˜ ์—ฐ๊ทน, ํ”Œ๋ผํ†ค์˜ ๋Œ€ํ™”,
04:05
the dialogues of Plato, the novels of Jane Austen.
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์ œ์ธ ์˜ค์Šคํ‹ด์˜ ์†Œ์„ค๋“ค์ด ๋‹ต์„ ์ค€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
04:08
In there, we'll find a lot of the truths
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์„ธ์ธํŠธ ์กด์Šค์˜ ๋ณต์Œ์—์„œ ์–ป์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„
04:10
that we might previously have found in the Gospel of Saint John.
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์ด์ œ๋Š” ๋ฌธํ™”์—์„œ ์ฐพ์ž๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:13
Now I think that's a very beautiful idea and a very true idea.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต๊ณ  ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:16
They wanted to replace scripture with culture.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์„ฑ์„œ๋ฅผ ๋ฌธํ™”๋กœ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ–ˆ์ฃ .
04:19
And that's a very plausible idea.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋งค์šฐ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ๋“ฏํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์—์š”.
04:21
It's also an idea that we have forgotten.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋˜ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์žŠ๊ณ  ์‚ด์•˜๋˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:25
If you went to a top university --
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ํ•˜๋ฒ„๋“œ, ์˜ฅ์Šคํฌ๋“œ
04:27
let's say you went to Harvard or Oxford or Cambridge --
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๋˜๋Š” ์บ ๋ธŒ๋ฆฌ์ง€๊ฐ™์€ ์ผ๋ฅ˜ ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€์„œ
04:29
and you said, "I've come here
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"๋‚˜๋Š” ๋„๋•์„ฑ, ์ง€๋„, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์œ„๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ ,
04:31
because I'm in search of morality, guidance and consolation;
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์ธ์ƒ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ด์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Ÿฌ ์™”๋‹ค"
04:33
I want to know how to live,"
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๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด
04:35
they would show you the way to the insane asylum.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์•„๋งˆ ์ •์‹  ๋ณ‘์›์— ๊ฐ€๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:38
This is simply not what our grandest and best institutes of higher learning
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ์ตœ์ƒ์œ„ ๊ณ ๋“ฑ ๊ต์œก ๊ธฐ๊ด€๋“ค์ด
04:41
are in the business of.
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ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ์ง€์š”.
04:43
Why? They don't think we need it.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
04:45
They don't think we are in an urgent need of assistance.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๊ธ‰ํžˆ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ฃ .
04:48
They see us as adults, rational adults.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ด์ƒ์ ์ธ ์„ฑ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ์š”.
04:50
What we need is information.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •๋ณด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ฃ .
04:52
We need data, we don't need help.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋„์›€์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ์ž๋ฃŒ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:54
Now religions start from a very different place indeed.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์ถœ๋ฐœ์ ์ด ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅด์ง€์š”.
04:57
All religions, all major religions,
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ข…๊ต๋Š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฃผ์š” ์ข…๊ต๋Š”
04:59
at various points call us children.
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์ข…์ข… ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์•„์ด๋“ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถ€๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:02
And like children,
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ
05:04
they believe that we are in severe need of assistance.
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๋„์›€์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ์กด์žฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:06
We're only just holding it together.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒจ์šฐ ์‚ด์•„๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
05:08
Perhaps this is just me, maybe you.
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์ €๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ณ  ์–ด์ €๋ฉด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ฃ .
05:10
But anyway, we're only just holding it together.
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์–ด์จŒ๊ฑด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒจ์šฐ๊ฒจ์šฐ ์‚ด์•„๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:13
And we need help. Of course, we need help.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋„์›€์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌผ๋ก  ๋„์›€์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ฃ .
05:15
And so we need guidance and we need didactic learning.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๋„๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ตํ›ˆ์ ์ธ ๋ฐฐ์›€์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:18
You know, in the 18th century in the U.K.,
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18์„ธ๊ธฐ ์˜๊ตญ์—
05:20
the greatest preacher, greatest religious preacher, was a man called John Wesley,
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์กด ์›จ์Šฌ๋ฆฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ์„ ๊ต์ž๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
05:23
who went up and down this country delivering sermons,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋” ์ž˜ ์‚ด ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ
05:26
advising people how they could live.
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๋งํ•ด์ฃผ๋ ค๊ณ  ์ „ ์˜๊ตญ์„ ํ›‘๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋…”์ง€์š”.
05:28
He delivered sermons on the duties of parents to their children
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์กด ์›จ์Šฌ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ชจ์˜ ์ž์‹์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๋ฌด์™€
05:30
and children to their parents,
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์ž์‹์˜ ๋ถ€๋ชจ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๋ฌด, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
05:32
the duties of the rich to the poor and the poor to the rich.
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๋ถ€์ž์™€ ๊ฐ€๋‚œํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ์„œ๋กœ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๋ฌด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์„ค๊ตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:34
He was trying to tell people how they should live
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ข…๊ต์˜ ์ „ํ˜•์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ธ
05:36
through the medium of sermons,
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์„ค๊ต๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ด์•„๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€
05:38
the classic medium of delivery of religions.
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๋งํ•ด ์ฃผ๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:41
Now we've given up with the idea of sermons.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์ œ ์„ค๊ต๋ฅผ ํฌ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์ง€์š”.
05:43
If you said to a modern liberal individualist,
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์š”์ฆ˜์€ ์ง„๋ณด์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ
05:45
"Hey, how about a sermon?"
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"์„ค๊ต๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ฒ ๋ƒ?"๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์œผ๋ฉด
05:47
they'd go, "No, no. I don't need one of those.
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"์•„๋‹ˆ, ๋‚œ ํ•„์š”์—†์–ด,
05:49
I'm an independent, individual person."
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐœ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๋…๋ฆฝ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์•ผ" ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:51
What's the difference between a sermon
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์„ค๊ต์™€ ํ˜„๋Œ€์˜ ์„ธ์†์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ธ
05:53
and our modern, secular mode of delivery, the lecture?
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๊ฐ•์˜์˜ ์ฐจ์ด์ ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
05:56
Well a sermon wants to change your life
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์„ค๊ต๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ถ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๊ณ 
05:59
and a lecture wants to give you a bit of information.
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๊ฐ•์˜๋Š” ์ •๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:02
And I think we need to get back to that sermon tradition.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„ค๊ต์˜ ์ „ํ†ต์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:05
The tradition of sermonizing is hugely valuable,
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์„ค๊ต์˜ ์ „ํ†ต์—๋Š” ํฐ ๊ฐ€์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:07
because we are in need of guidance,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒ ์ง€๋„๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ณ ,
06:09
morality and consolation --
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๋„๋•์˜ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์นจ๊ณผ ์œ„๋กœ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ๋ฐ
06:11
and religions know that.
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑธ ์•Œ์ง€์š”.
06:13
Another point about education:
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๊ต์œก์˜ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์  ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
06:15
we tend to believe in the modern secular world
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์„ธ์†์ ์ธ ํ˜„๋Œ€ ์ƒํ™œ์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์„
06:17
that if you tell someone something once, they'll remember it.
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ํ•œ๋ฒˆ ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜์ฃ .
06:20
Sit them in a classroom, tell them about Plato
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 20์‚ด๋‚œ ํ•™์ƒ์—๊ฒŒ ํ”Œ๋ผํ†ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ•์˜๋ฅผ ํ•ด์ฃผ๋ฉด
06:22
at the age of 20, send them out for a career in management consultancy for 40 years,
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๊ทธ ํ•™์ƒ์ด ์กธ์—…์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  40๋…„๊ฐ„ ๊ฒฝ์˜ ์ž๋ฌธ ์ผ์„ ํ•œ ํ›„์—๋„
06:25
and that lesson will stick with them.
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๊ทธ ๊ฐ•์˜๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ธฐ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:27
Religions go, "Nonsense.
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๊ทธ ๋ฐ˜๋ฉด์— ์ข…๊ต๋Š” "๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋ง๋„ ์•ˆ๋˜๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋‹ค,
06:29
You need to keep repeating the lesson 10 times a day.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฐ•์˜๋ฅผ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์— 10๋ฒˆ์”ฉ ๊ณ„์† ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•ด์•ผํ•œ๋‹ค.
06:32
So get on your knees and repeat it."
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์„ ๊ฟ‡๊ณ  ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๋ผ."๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ .
06:34
That's what all religions tell us:
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” "๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์„ ๊ฟ‡๊ณ 
06:36
"Get on you knees and repeat it 10 or 20 or 15 times a day."
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๋งค์ผ 10๋ฒˆ์ด๊ณ  20๋ฒˆ์ด๊ณ  ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•˜๋ผ."๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:39
Otherwise our minds are like sieves.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉด ๋ชจ๋‘ ์žŠ์–ด ๋ฒ„๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
06:41
So religions are cultures of repetition.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๋ฐ˜๋ณต์˜ ๋ฌธํ™”์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:43
They circle the great truths again and again and again.
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์œ„๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ง„์‹ค์„ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐ˜๋ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:45
We associate repetition with boredom.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ˜๋ณต์€ ์ง€๋ฃจํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ฃ .
06:47
"Give us the new," we're always saying.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ "์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ!" ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:49
"The new is better than the old."
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"์ƒˆ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ๊ฒƒ ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ข‹๋‹ค" ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ .
06:51
If I said to you, "Okay, we're not going to have new TED.
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๋งŒ์•ฝ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ "์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ํ…Œ๋“œ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์€ ๊ทธ๋งŒํ•˜๊ณ 
06:53
We're just going to run through all the old ones
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์ „์— ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ๋“ค์ด ์ „๋ถ€ ๋‹ค ์ข‹์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ 5๋ฒˆ์”ฉ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋“ฃ์ž,
06:55
and watch them five times because they're so true.
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์—˜๋ฆฌ์ž๋ฒ ์Šค ๊ธธ๋ฒ„ํŠธ์˜ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ ๋‚ด์šฉ์ด
06:57
We're going to watch Elizabeth Gilbert five times
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ข‹์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ 5๋ฒˆ ๋“ฃ์ž."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด
07:00
because what she says is so clever," you'd feel cheated.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์†์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
07:03
Not so if you're adopting a religious mindset.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ข…๊ต์  ์‚ฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐฉ์‹์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
07:05
The other things that religions do
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์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์€
07:07
is to arrange time.
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:09
All the major religions give us calendars.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ฃผ์š” ์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ณ ์œ ํ•œ ๋‹ฌ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:11
What is a calendar?
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๋‹ฌ๋ ฅ์˜ ์—ญํ• ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
07:13
A calendar is a way of making sure that across the year
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๋‹ฌ๋ ฅ์€ ์–ด๋–ค ์ง€์ •๋œ ๋‚ ์—
07:16
you will bump into certain very important ideas.
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์–ด๋–ค ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์ฃ .
07:19
In the Catholic chronology, Catholic calendar,
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๊ธฐ๋…๊ต ๋‹ฌ๋ ฅ์€
07:22
at the end of March you will think about St. Jerome
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3์›”๋ง์— ์„ธ์ธํŠธ ์ œ๋กฌ๊ณผ
07:24
and his qualities of humility and goodness
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๊ทธ์˜ ๊ฒธํ—ˆํ•จ, ์„ ๋Ÿ‰ํ•จ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
07:26
and his generosity to the poor.
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๊ฐ€๋‚œํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ด€๋Œ€ํ•จ์„ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œํ‚ค์ง€์š”.
07:28
You won't do that by accident; you will do that because you are guided to do that.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ์—ฐํžˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋‹ฌ๋ ฅ์˜ ๋„์›€์„ ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:31
Now we don't think that way.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑธ ๋ชปํ•˜์ฃ .
07:33
In the secular world we think, "If an idea is important, I'll bump into it.
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์„ธ์†์ ์ธ ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ๋Š” "์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋ฉด
07:35
I'll just come across it."
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ฑด ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ ๊บผ์•ผ" ๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:37
Nonsense, says the religious world view.
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์ข…๊ต์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์–ด๋ฆผ๋„ ์—†๋Š” ๋ง์ด์ฃ .
07:39
Religious view says we need calendars, we need to structure time,
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๊ด€๋ฆฌํ•  ๋‹ฌ๋ ฅ๋„ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๊ณ 
07:42
we need to synchronize encounters.
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๋ชจ์ž„์„ ๋งˆ๋ จํ•ด ์ฃผ๋Š” ์ฒด๊ณ„๋„ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:44
This comes across also
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฐ์ •์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก
07:46
in the way in which religions set up rituals
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์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ์˜์‹์„ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด
07:48
around important feelings.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‰ฝ์ฃ .
07:50
Take the Moon. It's really important to look at the Moon.
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๋‹ฌ์˜ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์ฃ . ๋‹ฌ์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:53
You know, when you look at the Moon,
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๋‹ฌ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด "๋‚˜๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ž‘์€ ์กด์žฌ๊ตฌ๋‚˜.
07:55
you think, "I'm really small. What are my problems?"
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๋‚ด ๋ฌธ์ œ๋Š” ํ•˜์ฐฎ๋‹ค."๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋˜์ฃ .
07:57
It sets things into perspective, etc., etc.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋„“์€ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ์‚ฌ๋ฌผ์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š” ๋“ฑ๋“ฑ์˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:59
We should all look at the Moon a bit more often. We don't.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ฌ์„ ๋” ์ž์ฃผ ๋ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฐ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
08:01
Why don't we? Well there's nothing to tell us, "Look at the Moon."
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์™œ ์•ˆ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ "๋‹ฌ์„ ๋” ์ž์ฃผ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:04
But if you're a Zen Buddhist in the middle of September,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์„ ๋ถˆ๊ต ์‹ ๋„๋ผ๋ฉด 9์›”์ค‘์ˆœ์—
08:07
you will be ordered out of your home, made to stand on a canonical platform
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์ง‘๋ฐ–์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์™€ ์ œ๋‹จ์— ์„œ์„œ
08:10
and made to celebrate the festival of Tsukimi,
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๋‹ฌ๊ณผ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์˜ ํ๋ฆ„์„ ๊ณต๊ฒฝํ•˜๊ณ 
08:12
where you will be given poems to read
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์ธ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋‚˜์•ฝํ•จ์„ ์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ์ฃผ๋Š”
08:14
in honor of the Moon and the passage of time
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์‹œ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๋‚ญ๋…ํ•˜๋Š” ์ถ”ํ‚ค๋ฏธ ์ถ•์ œ๋ฅผ
08:16
and the frailty of life that it should remind us of.
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์˜ฌ๋ฆด ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:18
You'll be handed rice cakes.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋–ก๋„ ๋ฐ›์ง€์š”.
08:20
And the Moon and the reflection on the Moon
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๋‹ฌ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉฐ ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด
08:22
will have a secure place in your heart.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์†์— ๊นŠ์ด ๊ฐ„์ง๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:24
That's very good.
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ด์ฃ .
08:26
The other thing that religions are really aware of
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ๋ง์„ ์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„
08:28
is: speak well --
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๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”์‹œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:30
I'm not doing a very good job of this here --
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์ €๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ๋‘์„œ์—†์ด ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
08:32
but oratory, oratory is absolutely key to religions.
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์›…๋ณ€์ˆ ์€ ์ข…๊ต์—์„œ ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:35
In the secular world, you can come through the university system and be a lousy speaker
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๋น„์ข…๊ต์ ์ธ ์‚ฌํšŒ์—์„œ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ์ž˜ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ•™ ์กธ์—…์ƒ๋„
08:38
and still have a great career.
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ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์‚ฌํšŒ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
08:40
But the religious world doesn't think that way.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ข…๊ต์ ์ธ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค..
08:42
What you're saying needs to be backed up
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๋‚ด์šฉ์„
08:44
by a really convincing way of saying it.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ์‹ ๋น™์„ฑ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ด์ฃ .
08:46
So if you go to an African-American Pentecostalist church
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋‚จ๋ถ€์— ์žˆ๋Š”
08:48
in the American South
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์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด๊ณ„ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์ธ ํŽœํ…Œ์ฝ”์Šคํƒˆ ๊ตํšŒ์— ๊ฐ€๋ณด๋ฉด
08:50
and you listen to how they talk,
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๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋ง‰ํžˆ๊ฒŒ ๋ง์„
08:52
my goodness, they talk well.
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์ž˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€์š”.
08:54
After every convincing point, people will go, "Amen, amen, amen."
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์„ ์„ค๋“๋ ฅ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋งˆ๋‹ค "์•„๋ฉ˜, ์•„๋ฉ˜, ์•„๋ฉ˜" ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:57
At the end of a really rousing paragraph, they'll all stand up,
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ์—ด๋ ฌํ•œ ๋ฌธ๊ตฌ์˜ ๋์—๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ
08:59
and they'll go, "Thank you Jesus, thank you Christ, thank you Savior."
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"๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ์˜ˆ์ˆ˜๋‹˜, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฌํ˜ธ์™€์—ฌ, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ๊ตฌ์„ธ์ฃผ์—ฌ" ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ .
09:02
If we were doing it like they do it --
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๋งŒ์•ฝ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ–‰๋™ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
09:04
let's not do it, but if we were to do it --
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”, ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ƒ์ƒ๋งŒ ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
09:07
I would tell you something like, "Culture should replace scripture."
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๋งŒ์•ฝ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ "๋ฌธํ™”๊ฐ€ ์„ฑ์„œ๋ฅผ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด
09:09
And you would go, "Amen, amen, amen."
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ "์•„๋ฉ˜, ์•„๋ฉ˜, ์•„๋ฉ˜" ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ์ฃ .
09:11
And at the end of my talk, you would all stand up
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์ด ๋๋‚˜๋ฉด ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์„œ
09:13
and you would go, "Thank you Plato, thank you Shakespeare, thank you Jane Austen."
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"๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ํ”Œ๋ผํ†ค, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ธ์ต์Šคํ”ผ์–ด, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ์ œ์ธ ์˜ค์Šคํ‹ด" ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ฒ ์ฃ .
09:15
And we'd know that we had a real rhythm going.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋ฆฌ๋“ฌ์ด ๋ฉ‹์ง€๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:18
All right, all right. We're getting there. We're getting there.
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๋„ค, ๋„ค, ์ข‹์•„์š”. ์ž˜ ๋‚˜๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž˜ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:20
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
09:22
The other thing that religions know is we're not just brains,
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋‹จ์ˆœํžˆ ๋‘๋‡Œ๋งŒ ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ 
09:24
we are also bodies.
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๋ชธ๋„ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:26
And when they teach us a lesson,
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ๋•Œ
09:28
they do it via the body.
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๋ชธ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
09:30
So for example,
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์ž๋ฉด,
09:32
take the Jewish idea of forgiveness.
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์šฉ์„œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์œ ๋Œ€์ธ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:34
Jews are very interested in forgiveness
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์œ ๋Œ€์ธ์€ ์šฉ์„œํ•ด์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ
09:36
and how we should start anew and start afresh.
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒˆ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ์ถœ๋ฐœํ•˜๋Š”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ค‘์š”์‹œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:38
They don't just deliver us sermons on this.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์„ค๊ต๋งŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€์š”.
09:40
They don't just give us books or words about this.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ฑ…๋งŒ ์ฃผ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ง๋งŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—์š”.
09:42
They tell us to have a bath.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชฉ์š•์„ ํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:44
So in Orthodox Jewish communities, every Friday you go to a Mikveh.
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์ •ํ†ต ์œ ๋Œ€๊ต์ธ๋“ค์€ ๋งค์ฃผ ๊ธˆ์š”์ผ์— ๋ฏธํฌ๋ฒ ๋ผ๋Š” ์œ ๋Œ€์‹ ๋ชฉ์š•์„ ํ•˜์ง€์š”.
09:47
You immerse yourself in the water,
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๋ฌผ์†์— ๋ชธ์„ ๋‹ด๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์ ์ธ ํ–‰๋™์ด
09:49
and a physical action backs up a philosophical idea.
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์ฒ ํ•™์ ์ธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋’ท๋ฐ”์นจํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
09:52
We don't tend to do that.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฃผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:54
Our ideas are in one area and our behavior with our bodies is in another.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ ํ–‰๋™์€ ๊ฐ๊ฐ ๋ชธ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์—์„œ ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:57
Religions are fascinating in the way they try and combine the two.
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ ํ–‰๋™์„ ํ•ฉ์น˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์›Œ์š”.
09:59
Let's look at art now.
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์ฃ .
10:01
Now art is something that in the secular world,
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์„ธ์†์ ์ธ ์‚ฌํšŒ์—์„œ๋Š”
10:04
we think very highly of. We think art is really, really important.
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ์„ ๋†’์ด ํ‰๊ฐ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋˜ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ฃ .
10:07
A lot of our surplus wealth goes to museums, etc.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋„˜์น˜๋Š” ์ž‰์—ฌ์˜ ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์–‘์ด ๋ฐ•๋ฌผ๊ด€ ๋“ฑ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ง€์š”.
10:10
We sometimes hear it said
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋” ๋ฐ•๋ฌผ๊ด€์ด
10:12
that museums are our new cathedrals, or our new churches.
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ํ˜„๋Œ€์˜ ์„ฑ๋‹น์ด๊ณ  ๊ตํšŒ๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ฃ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:15
You've heard that saying.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋„ ์•„๋งˆ ๋“ค์–ด๋ณด์…จ์„ ๊ฑฐ์—์š”.
10:17
Now I think that the potential is there,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์„ ์œ ์šฉํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ
10:19
but we've completely let ourselves down.
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๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ์‹คํŒจํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
10:21
And the reason we've let ourselves down
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹คํŒจํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
10:23
is that we're not properly studying
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์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์„ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๋Š”์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
10:25
how religions handle art.
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์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ตฌํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:29
The two really bad ideas that are hovering in the modern world
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ํ˜„๋Œ€ ์‚ฌํšŒ์—๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํž˜์„ ์–ป๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฐฉํ•ดํ•˜๋Š”,
10:32
that inhibit our capacity to draw strength from art:
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๋‘๊ฐ€์ง€์˜ ๋„์›€์ด ์•ˆ๋˜๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋Œ์•„๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค:
10:36
The first idea is that art should be for art's sake --
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์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์ด ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์กด์žฌํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:38
a ridiculous idea --
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๋ง๋„ ์•ˆ๋˜๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์ฃ .
10:40
an idea that art should live in a hermetic bubble
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ์€ ๋ฐ€ํ๋œ ๊ฑฐํ’ˆ ์†์—์„œ๋งŒ ์‚ด์•„์•ผํ•˜๊ณ 
10:42
and should not try to do anything with this troubled world.
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๋ฌธ์ œ ํˆฌ์„ฑ์ด์ธ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„์™€๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ๊ด€๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:45
I couldn't disagree more.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์— ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:47
The other thing that we believe is that art shouldn't explain itself,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์ด ๊ทธ ์ž์ฒด๋ฅผ ์„ค๋ช…ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
10:50
that artists shouldn't say what they're up to,
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
10:52
because if they said it, it might destroy the spell
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๊ทธ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ˆ ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์„ค๋ช…์„ ํ•˜๋ฉด ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์˜ ๋งˆ๋ ฅ์ด ์—†์–ด์ง€๊ณ 
10:54
and we might find it too easy.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‰ฝ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:56
That's why a very common feeling when you're in a museum --
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ
10:58
let's admit it --
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ•๋ฌผ๊ด€์— ๊ฐ€๋ฉด
11:00
is, "I don't know what this is about."
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"๋ญ๊ฐ€ ๋ญ”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด."๋ผ๋Š” ๋Š๋‚Œ์„ ์ข…์ข… ๊ฐ€์ง€์ง€์š”.
11:02
But if we're serious people, we don't admit to that.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ์ข€ ์•ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‚ด์ƒ‰์„ ์•ˆํ•˜์ฃ .
11:04
But that feeling of puzzlement is structural
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์–ด๋ฆฌ๋‘ฅ์ ˆํ•œ ๋Š๋‚Œ์€
11:07
to contemporary art.
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ํ˜„๋Œ€ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์˜ ํ•„์ˆ˜์ ์ธ ์š”์†Œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ด์ฃ .
11:10
Now religions have a much saner attitude to art.
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์˜จ์ „ํ•œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:12
They have no trouble telling us what art is about.
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์˜ ์—ญํ• ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ช…๋ฐฑํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๋ ค์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:14
Art is about two things in all the major faiths.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ฃผ์š” ์ข…๊ต์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ํ•œ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์—๋Š” 2๊ฐœ์˜ ๋ชฉ์ ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
11:16
Firstly, it's trying to remind you
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ
11:18
of what there is to love.
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์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
11:20
And secondly, it's trying to remind you
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๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‘๋ ค์›Œํ•˜๊ณ  ์ฆ์˜คํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ
11:22
of what there is to fear and to hate.
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์ƒ๊ธฐ์‹œ์ผœ ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€์š”.
11:24
And that's what art is.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์˜ ๋ชฉ์ ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
11:26
Art is a visceral encounter with the most important ideas of your faith.
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ์€ ์ข…๊ต์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ƒ๊ฐ๊ณผ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ์˜ ๋ณธ๋Šฅ์ ์ธ ๋งŒ๋‚จ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:29
So as you walk around a church,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ตํšŒ, ๋ชจ์Šคํฌ
11:31
or a mosque or a cathedral,
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๋˜๋Š” ์„ฑ๋‹น์„ ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ
11:33
what you're trying to imbibe, what you're imbibing is,
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๋งˆ์Œ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์„ ์ง„๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ, ๋ˆˆ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ,
11:35
through your eyes, through your senses,
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๊ฐ๊ฐ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ ์ง๊ด€์ ์œผ๋กœ
11:37
truths that have otherwise come to you through your mind.
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๊ทธ ์ง„๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํก์ˆ˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:39
Essentially it's propaganda.
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ์€ ๊ทผ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์„ ์ „์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:41
Rembrandt is a propagandist
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๊ธฐ๋…๊ต์˜ ๊ด€์ ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ฉด
11:43
in the Christian view.
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๋žจ๋ธŒ๋ž€ํŠธ๋Š” ์„ ์ „์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์ง€์š”.
11:45
Now the word "propaganda" sets off alarm bells.
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"์„ ์ „"์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ๋“ค์œผ๋ฉด ๋ถ€์ฉ ๊ฒฝ๊ณ„์‹ฌ์ด ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:47
We think of Hitler, we think of Stalin. Don't, necessarily.
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ํžˆํ‹€๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์Šคํƒˆ๋ฆฐ์„ ์—ฐ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ๊ผญ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:49
Propaganda is a manner of being didactic in honor of something.
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์„ ์ „์€ ์–ด๋–ค ๋ชฉ์ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ตํ›ˆํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ• ์ค‘์— ํ•˜๋‚˜์ด์ฃ .
11:52
And if that thing is good, there's no problem with it at all.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๊ทธ ๋ชฉ์ ์ด ์ข‹์€ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉด ์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:55
My view is that museums should take a leaf out of the book of religions.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ฐ•๋ฌผ๊ด€๋“ค์ด ์ข…๊ต์˜ ์ผ๋ฉด์„ ๋ณธ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:59
And they should make sure that when you walk into a museum --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐ•๋ฌผ๊ด€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ๊ฐ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐ•๋ฌธ๊ด€์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ
12:01
if I was a museum curator,
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์•„๋‹ˆ, ๋งŒ์•ฝ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ•๋ฌผ๊ด€ ๊ด€์žฅ์ด๋ผ๋ฉด
12:03
I would make a room for love, a room for generosity.
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์ €๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋ž‘์˜ ๊ตฌ์—ญ๊ณผ ์•„๋Ÿ‰์˜ ๊ณต๊ฐ„์„ ๋งˆ๋ จํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ 
12:06
All works of art are talking to us about things.
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๋ชจ๋“  ์˜ˆ์ˆ ํ’ˆ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:08
And if we were able to arrange spaces
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐ•๋ฌผ๊ด€์˜ ๊ณณ๊ณณ์—์„œ
12:10
where we could come across works
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ํ’ˆ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ๊ฐ๋“ค์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์† ๊นŠ์ด
12:12
where we would be told, use these works of art
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์–ด๋–ค ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์‹ฌ์–ด์ค€๋‹ค๋ฉด
12:14
to cement these ideas in your mind,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ˆ์ˆ ๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋งŽ์€
12:16
we would get a lot more out of art.
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๊ฐ€์น˜๋ฅผ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:18
Art would pick up the duty that it used to have
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ์ƒ๊ฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์žƒ์—ˆ๋˜
12:21
and that we've neglected because of certain mis-founded ideas.
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๋ณธ์—ฐ์˜ ์ž„๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๋˜์ฐพ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:24
Art should be one of the tools
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์‚ฌํšŒ๋ฅผ ํ–ฅ์ƒ ์‹œํ‚ฌ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
12:26
by which we improve our society.
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๋„๊ตฌ์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:28
Art should be didactic.
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์˜ˆ์ˆ ์€ ๊ตํ›ˆ์ ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:31
Let's think of something else.
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๊ทธ๋ฐ–์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด์ฃ .
12:33
The people in the modern world, in the secular world,
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ํ˜„๋Œ€์˜ ์„ธ์†์ ์ธ ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ,
12:35
who are interested in matters of the spirit,
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๋ณด๋‹ค ๋†’์€ ์ฐจ์›์— ์žˆ๋Š”
12:37
in matters of the mind,
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์ •์‹ ์ด๋‚˜, ๋งˆ์Œ์ด๋‚˜, ์˜ํ˜ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
12:39
in higher soul-like concerns,
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๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
12:42
tend to be isolated individuals.
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๊ณ ๋ฆฝ๋œ ์ƒํ™œ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:44
They're poets, they're philosophers, they're photographers, they're filmmakers.
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์‹œ์ธ, ์ฒ ํ•™์ž, ์‚ฌ์ง„๊ฐ€, ์˜ํ™” ์ œ์ž‘์ž๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด์ง€์š”.
12:47
And they tend to be on their own.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ๋œ ์ƒํ™œ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
12:49
They're our cottage industries. They are vulnerable, single people.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ™€๋กœ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์ทจ์•ฝํ•œ ๊ฐ€๋‚ด ๊ณต์—…์ž๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:52
And they get depressed and they get sad on their own.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์™ธ๋กญ๊ณ  ์šฐ์šธํ•ดํ•˜๋ฉฐ ์Šฌํผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:54
And they don't really change much.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์„ธ์ƒ์— ํฐ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ค์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜์ฃ .
12:56
Now think about religions, think about organized religions.
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ํ•œํŽธ, ์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ, ์กฐ์งํ™”๋œ ์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
12:58
What do organized religions do?
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์กฐ์งํ™”๋œ ์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ฃ ?
13:00
They group together, they form institutions.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ชจ์—ฌ ๊ธฐ๊ด€์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:03
And that has all sorts of advantages.
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์ด๋“ค์€ ์œ ๋ฆฌํ•œ ์ ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์š”.
13:05
First of all, scale, might.
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์šฐ์„ , ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๊ทœ๋ชจ์˜ ํž˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:08
The Catholic Church pulled in 97 billion dollars last year
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์›”์ŠคํŠธ๋ฆฌํŠธ ์ €๋„์— ์˜ํ•˜๋ฉด ์นดํ†จ๋ฆญ ๊ตํšŒ์˜ ์ž‘๋…„ ์ด์ˆ˜์ž…์€
13:11
according to the Wall Street Journal.
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970์–ต๋ถˆ(์•ฝ 110์กฐ์›)์ด์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:13
These are massive machines.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์กฐ์ง์ด์ฃ .
13:15
They're collaborative, they're branded, they're multinational,
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ํ˜‘๋™์ ์ด๊ณ , ์œ ๋ช… ์ƒํ‘œ์ด๋ฉฐ ๋‹ค๊ตญ์ ์ธ๋ฐ๋‹ค๊ฐ€
13:18
and they're highly disciplined.
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์ฒ ์ €ํžˆ ๊ทœ์œจ์„ ์ง€ํ‚ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:20
These are all very good qualities.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ฐ”๋žŒ์งํ•œ ์ž์งˆ์ด์—์š”.
13:22
We recognize them in relation to corporations.
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๊ธฐ์—…๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฉด์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
13:24
And corporations are very like religions in many ways,
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๊ธฐ์—…๋„ ์ข…๊ต์™€ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ๋ฉด์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
13:26
except they're right down at the bottom of the pyramid of needs.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์˜ ์ˆœ์œ„์—์„œ ๊ธฐ์—…์€ ๋ฐ‘๋ฐ”๋‹ฅ์— ์†ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:28
They're selling us shoes and cars.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์‹ ๋ฐœ๊ณผ ์ž๋™์ฐจ๋ฅผ ํŒ๋งคํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:30
Whereas the people who are selling us the higher stuff --
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์น˜๋ฃŒ์‚ฌ๋‚˜ ์‹œ์ธ๊ฐ™์ด
13:32
the therapists, the poets --
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์ •์‹ ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ํŒŒ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
13:34
are on their own and they have no power,
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ํ˜ผ์ž ์ผํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ถŒ๋ ฅ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:36
they have no might.
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์„ธ๋ ฅ์ด ์—†์ฃ .
13:38
So religions are the foremost example
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๋งˆ์Œ์— ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด
13:41
of an institution that is fighting for the things of the mind.
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ํˆฌ์Ÿํ•˜๋Š” ๊ธฐ๊ด€์˜ ๋Œ€ํ‘œ์ ์ธ ์˜ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:44
Now we may not agree with what religions are trying to teach us,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„
13:47
but we can admire the institutional way
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ์ œ๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ผ์„
13:49
in which they're doing it.
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์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด๋ฉฐ ๊ฐํƒ„ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:51
Books alone, books written by lone individuals,
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์ผ๊ฐœ์˜ ๊ฐœ์ธ๋“ค์ด ์“ด ์ฑ…๋“ค์€
13:54
are not going to change anything.
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์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:56
We need to group together.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ญ‰์ณ์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:58
If you want to change the world, you have to group together, you have to be collaborative.
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์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๋ ค๋ฉด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ญ‰์ณ์„œ ๋‹จ์ฒด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ˜‘๋ ฅํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:01
And that's what religions do.
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์ข…๊ต๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜์ง€์š”.
14:03
They are multinational, as I say,
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๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ข…๊ต๋Š” ๋‹ค๊ตญ์ ์ด๊ณ ,
14:05
they are branded, they have a clear identity,
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์‹ ์›์ด ๋ช…๋ฐฑํ•œ ์œ ๋ช… ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
14:08
so they don't get lost in a busy world.
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๋ณต์žกํ•œ ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ๋„ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ์žŠ์ง€ ์•Š์•„์š”.
14:10
That's something we can learn from.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ข…๊ต์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:12
I want to conclude.
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์ด์ œ ์ด ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์˜ ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:14
Really what I want to say
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ
14:16
is for many of you who are operating in a range of different fields,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ํ•ด๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋ง์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด
14:19
there is something to learn from the example of religion --
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์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š๋”๋ผ๋„ ์ข…๊ต๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
14:22
even if you don't believe any of it.
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๋ฐฐ์šธ์ ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:25
If you're involved in anything that's communal,
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ชจ์—ฌ์„œ
14:27
that involves lots of people getting together,
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๊ณต๋™์œผ๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์— ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ป˜์„œ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
14:29
there are things for you in religion.
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์ข…๊ต๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:31
If you're involved, say, in a travel industry in any way,
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์—ฌํ–‰์‚ฐ์—…์— ์ข…์‚ฌํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค์€
14:34
look at pilgrimage.
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์„ฑ์ง€ ์ฐธ๋ฐฐ ์ˆœ๋ก€๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€์š”.
14:36
Look very closely at pilgrimage.
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์„ฑ์ง€ ์ฐธ๋ฐฐ ์ˆœ๋ก€๋ฅผ ์ž˜ ๊ด€์ฐฐํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
14:38
We haven't begun to scratch the surface
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ์„ฑ์ง€ ์ฐธ๋ฐฐ ์ˆœ๋ก€๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ
14:40
of what travel could be
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์ œ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์—ฌํ–‰์ด ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
14:42
because we haven't looked at what religions do with travel.
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์ˆ˜๋ฐ•์˜ ๊ฒ‰๋„ ํ•ฅ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€์š”.
14:44
If you're in the art world,
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์˜ˆ์ˆ  ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค์€
14:46
look at the example of what religions are doing with art.
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์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ์˜ˆ์ˆ ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๊ด€์ฐฐํ•ด ๋ณด์‹œ๊ณ 
14:48
And if you're an educator in any way,
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๊ต์œก์— ๊ด€๋ จ๋œ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๋ถ„๋“ค์€
14:51
again, look at how religions are spreading ideas.
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์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ์ „ํŒŒํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ์‚ดํŽด๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
14:54
You may not agree with the ideas,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ข…๊ต์˜ ๊ต๋ฆฌ์— ๋™์˜ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด์ง€๋งŒ
14:56
but my goodness, they're highly effective mechanisms for doing so.
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์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ต๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ „ํŒŒํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ํšจ์œจ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:59
So really my concluding point
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด
15:01
is you may not agree with religion,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๊ฒƒ์€
15:03
but at the end of the day,
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด์œผ๋กœ
15:05
religions are so subtle, so complicated,
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๋งค์šฐ ๋ฏธ๋ฌ˜ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ณต์žกํ•˜๊ณ 
15:07
so intelligent in many ways
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์˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
15:09
that they're not fit to be abandoned to the religious alone;
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์‹ ์ž๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋งŒ ๊ท€์†๋˜๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์•„๊น๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:12
they're for all of us.
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์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:14
Thank you very much.
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๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:16
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
15:33
Chris Anderson: Now this is actually a courageous talk,
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CA(ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์•ค๋”์Šจ): ์ด๋ฒˆ ๊ฐ•์˜๋Š” ์ž์นซํ•˜๋ฉด ์ผ๋ถ€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐ”ํŠผ์”จ๋ฅผ
15:35
because you're kind of setting up yourself in some ways
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์›ƒ์Œ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
15:37
to be ridiculed in some quarters.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์šฉ๊ฐํ•œ ๊ฐ•์˜๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:39
AB: You can get shot by both sides.
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AB(์•Œ๋žœ ๋“œ ๋ฐ”ํŠผ): ๋„ค, ์–‘์ชฝ์—์„œ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:41
You can get shot by the hard-headed atheists,
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์™„๊ณ ํ•œ ๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์ž๋“ค๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์„ ๋ฐ›์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ ,
15:43
and you can get shot by those who fully believe.
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๋…์‹คํ•œ ์‹ ์ž๋กœ ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ๋„ ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์„ ๋‹นํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ฃ .
15:46
CA: Incoming missiles from North Oxford at any moment.
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CA: ์–ด๋Š ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์— ๋ถ ์˜ฅ์Šคํฌ๋“œ์—์„œ ๋ฏธ์‚ฌ์ผ์ด ๋‚ ๋ผ์˜ฌ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋„ค์š”.
15:48
AB: Indeed.
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AB: ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:50
CA: But you left out one aspect of religion
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CA: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
15:53
that a lot of people might say
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์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด
15:55
your agenda could borrow from,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ 
15:57
which is this sense --
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๋งํ• ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š”
15:59
that's actually probably the most important thing to anyone who's religious --
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์˜์  ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด๋ผํ• ๊นŒ
16:01
of spiritual experience,
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์ž์‹ ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ํฐ ๊ทธ ๋ฌด์—‡๊ณผ์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„
16:03
of some kind of connection
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๋ฐ”ํŠผ๊ฐ€ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ 
16:05
with something that's bigger than you are.
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๋งํ•  ์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
16:07
Is there any room for that experience in Atheism 2.0?
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๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก 2.0์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์˜์  ๊ฒฝํ—˜ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ๋Œ€์ฒดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
16:10
AB: Absolutely. I, like many of you, meet people
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AB: ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ด์ฃ . ์ €๋„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
16:13
who say things like, "But isn't there something bigger than us,
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋” ํฐ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š๋ƒ?"
16:16
something else?"
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๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜์ง€์š”.
16:18
And I say, "Of course." And they say, "So aren't you sort of religious?"
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌผ๋ก  ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ "๊ทธ๊ฑด ์ข…๊ต์ ์ธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ฃ .
16:21
And I go, "No." Why does that sense of mystery,
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์ €๋Š” "์•„๋‹ˆ์š”."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:24
that sense of the dizzying scale of the universe,
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์šฐ์ฃผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์‹ ๋น„์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ฐ์ •๊ณผ ์šฐ์ฃผ์˜ ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ทœ๋ชจ๋ฅผ ๋Š๋ผ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด
16:27
need to be accompanied by a mystical feeling?
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์‹ ๋ น์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๊ฐ์ •์ด ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:30
Science and just observation
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๊ณผํ•™๊ณผ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•œ ๊ด€์ฐฐ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ๋„
16:32
gives us that feeling without it,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฐ์ •์„ ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ๋Š๋‚„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
16:34
so I don't feel the need.
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์ €๋Š” ์‹ ๋ น์˜ ํ•„์š”์„ฑ์„ ๋ชป ๋Š๋‚๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:36
The universe is large and we are tiny,
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์ข…๊ต๋ผ๋Š” ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ์ƒ๋ถ€ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋”๋ผ๋„
16:38
without the need for further religious superstructure.
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์šฐ์ฃผ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์ž‘์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:42
So one can have so-called spiritual moments
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜์ ์ธ ์กด์žฌ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฏฟ์Œ์ด ์—†์ด๋„
16:44
without belief in the spirit.
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์†Œ์œ„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ์˜์ ์ธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€์š”.
16:46
CA: Actually, let me just ask a question.
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CA: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ํ•˜์ฃ .
16:48
How many people here would say
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๊ณ„์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค ์ค‘์—์„œ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด
16:50
that religion is important to them?
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์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ์ž์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?
16:54
Is there an equivalent process
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ฐ”ํŠผ์”จ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์ž๋ฅผ ์ƒ๋Œ€๋กœ
16:57
by which there's a sort of bridge
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๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ
16:59
between what you're talking about and what you would say to them?
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๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์†์„ ๋“œ์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ๋ง์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€์š”?
17:02
AB: I would say that there are many, many gaps in secular life
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AB: ์ €๋Š” ์„ธ์†์ ์ธ ์‚ถ์—๋Š” ์ถฉ์กฑ๋˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
17:04
and these can be plugged.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ตฌ๋ฉ๋“ค์„ ๋ฉ”์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:06
It's not as though, as I try to suggest,
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์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ์œผ๋ฉด
17:08
it's not as though either you have religion
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์ข…๊ต์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„
17:10
and then you have to accept all sorts of things,
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์ˆ˜๋ฝํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ณ ,
17:12
or you don't have religion
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์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ข…๊ต์˜
17:14
and then you're cut off from all these very good things.
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์ข‹์€ ์ ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š”๊ฑด ์•„๋‹ˆ์ฃ .
17:17
It's so sad that we constantly say,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
17:20
"I don't believe so I can't have community,
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"๋‚˜๋Š” ์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ๋ฏฟ์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์†ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ๋„ ์—†๊ณ ,
17:22
so I'm cut off from morality,
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๋„๋•์„ฑ๋„ ์—†๊ณ , ์„ฑ์ง€ ์ˆœ๋ก€๋„ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค"
17:24
so I can't go on a pilgrimage."
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๋ผ๋Š” ๋ง์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ์Šฌํ”ˆ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:26
One wants to say, "Nonsense. Why not?"
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์ €๋Š” "๋ง๋„ ์•ˆ๋ผ์š” - ์™œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๊ฑธ ๋ชปํ•ด์š”?" ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ฃ .
17:28
And that's really the spirit of my talk.
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์ œ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์˜ ๊ทผ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ์˜๋„๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:30
There's so much we can absorb.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐฐ์šธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:32
Atheism shouldn't cut itself off from the rich sources of religion.
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๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์ž๋“ค์€ ์ข…๊ต์˜ ํ’๋ถ€ํ•œ ์ž์›์„ ์†Œ์™ธํ•˜๋ฉด ์•ˆ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:35
CA: It seems to me that there's plenty of people in the TED community
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CA: TED ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์ž๊ฐ€
17:38
who are atheists.
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๋งŽ์€๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ์š”.
17:40
But probably most people in the community
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ TED ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€
17:42
certainly don't think that religion is going away any time soon
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์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์ง„๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉฐ
17:45
and want to find the language
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ƒํ˜ธ ๊ฑด์„ค์ ์ธ
17:47
to have a constructive dialogue
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๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ์•„
17:50
and to feel like we can actually talk to each other
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์‹ค์ง€๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ณ 
17:52
and at least share some things in common.
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์ตœ์†Œํ•œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๊ณตํ†ต์ ์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๊ฒŒ ๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ž๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:54
Are we foolish to be optimistic
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์ข…๊ต๊ฐ€
17:56
about the possibility of a world
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๋ถ„๋‹จ์ด๋‚˜ ์ „์Ÿ์„ ์ดˆ๋ž˜ํ•˜๋Š”
17:58
where, instead of religion being the great rallying cry
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ํ•จ์„ฑ์ด ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋ฉฐ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ฐจ์ด์ ์—
18:01
of divide and war,
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๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋†“์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์„ธ์ƒ์ด ๊ฑด์ถ•๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ
18:03
that there could be bridging?
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๋ฐ”๋ž€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋ฆฌ์„์€ ์ผ์ผ๊นŒ์š”?
18:05
AB: No, we need to be polite about differences.
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AB: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๊ณต์†ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฃจ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:08
Politeness is a much-overlooked virtue.
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๊ณต์†ํ•จ์€ ์ž์ฃผ ๊ฐ„๊ณผ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฏธ๋•์ด์ง€์š”.
18:10
It's seen as hypocrisy.
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๊ณต์†ํ•จ์€ ์œ„์„ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ„์ฃผ๋˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:12
But we need to get to a stage when you're an atheist
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ฌด์‹ ๋ก ์ž๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์ •ํ•  ๋•Œ ๋ˆ„๊ฐ€
18:14
and someone says, "Well you know, I did pray the other day,"
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"๋‚˜๋ง์•ผ, ๋ช‡์ผ์ „์— ๊ธฐ๋„ํ–ˆ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด
18:17
you politely ignore it.
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๊ณต์†ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ง์„ ๋ฌด์‹œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹จ๊ณ„์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:19
You move on.
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๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ  ๋„˜์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
18:21
Because you've agreed on 90 percent of things,
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
18:24
because you have a shared view on so many things,
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๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒฌํ•ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— 90%๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ๋™์˜ํ•˜๋Š” ์ƒํ™ฉ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
18:26
and you politely differ.
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๊ณต์†ํžˆ ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ์ธ์ •ํ•˜์ž๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:28
And I think that's what the religious wars of late have ignored.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทผ๋ž˜์˜ ์ข…๊ต ์ „์Ÿ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์‹คํŒจํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:32
They've ignored the possibility of harmonious disagreement.
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์˜๊ฒฌ ์ฐจ์ด๋ฅผ ์กฐํ™”๋กญ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค๋ฃฐ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ์„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด์ฃ .
18:36
CA: And finally, does this new thing that you're proposing
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CA: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ธ๋ฐ์š”,
18:38
that's not a religion but something else,
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๋ฐ”ํŠผ์”จ๊ฐ€ ์ œ์•ˆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข…๊ต๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ  ๋ญ ์ข€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ
18:40
does it need a leader,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์— ์ง€๋„์ž๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ๊ฐ€์š”?
18:42
and are you volunteering to be the pope?
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ฐ”ํŠผ์”จ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์˜ ๊ตํ™ฉ์ด ๋˜๊ฒ ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ž์›ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”?
18:44
(Laughter)
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18:46
AB: Well, one thing that we're all very suspicious of
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AB: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ์–ด๋–ค ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋ฆฌ๋”๊ฐ€ ๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„
18:48
is individual leaders.
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์˜์‹ฌ์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šด ๋งˆ์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:50
It doesn't need it.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ง€๋„์ž๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:52
What I've tried to lay out is a framework
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ํ…Œ๋‘๋ฆฌ๋งŒ ์ œ์•ˆํ•˜๊ณ 
18:54
and I'm hoping that people can just fill it in.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ์ž๊ฐ€ ๊ณต๋ฐฑ์„ ์ฑ„์šฐ๋ฉด ๋˜์ง€์š”.
18:57
I've sketched a sort of broad framework.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ฒด๊ณ„ ๊ฐ™์€๊ฒƒ์„ ์Šค์ผ€์น˜ํ–ˆ์„ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:59
But wherever you are, as I say, if you're in the travel industry, do that travel bit.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์•ž์„œ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ๋Œ€๋กœ ์—ฌํ–‰์‚ฐ์—…์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜์‹œ๊ฑด
19:02
If you're in the communal industry, look at religion and do the communal bit.
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์–ด๋–ค ๊ณต๋™์ฒด์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜์‹œ๊ฑด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ์ž๊ฐ€ ์ข…๊ต๋ฅผ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์ ์ ˆํ•œ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ๋”ฐ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์ฃ .
19:05
So it's a wiki project.
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ์œ„ํ‚ค ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
19:07
(Laughter)
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19:09
CA: Alain, thank you for sparking many conversations later.
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CA: ์ข‹์€ ๊ฐ•์—ฐ๊ณผ ์žฌ์น˜์žˆ๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:12
(Applause)
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