Suzanne Talhouk: Don't kill your language

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Translator: khalid marbou Reviewer: Anwar Dafa-Alla
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譯者: NAN-KUN WU 審譯者: Li Li
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Good morning!
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早上好!
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Are you awake?
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你們醒著嗎?
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They took my name tag, but I wanted to ask you,
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他們拿走了我的名牌 但我想問大家
00:21
did anyone here write their name on the tag in Arabic?
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這裡有人是用阿拉伯語寫名牌的嗎?
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Anyone! No one? All right, no problem.
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有嗎!沒有? 好吧,沒事。
00:29
Once upon a time, not long ago,
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不久以前
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I was sitting in a restaurant with my friend, ordering food.
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我和朋友坐在餐廳裡點菜
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So I looked at the waiter and said,
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我望著侍應生說
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"Do you have a menu (Arabic)?"
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“你有菜單嗎?(阿拉伯語)”
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He looked at me strangely, thinking that he misheard.
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他很奇怪地望著我 好像聽錯了一樣
00:49
He said, "Sorry? (English)."
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他說,“對不起?(英語)”
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I said, "The menu (Arabic), please."
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我說,“菜單(阿拉伯語),謝謝”
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He replied, "Don't you know what they call it?"
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他回答說 "難道你不知道這個怎麼說?"
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"I do."
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“我知道。”
01:01
He said, "No! It's called "menu" (English), or "menu" (French)."
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他說,“你不知道! 這叫做“菜單”(英文),或者“菜單”(法文)”
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Is the French pronunciation correct?
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法語發音對嗎?
01:06
"Come, come, take care of this one!" said the waiter.
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“過來過來,這桌歸你管!” 這侍應生說。
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He was disgusted when talking to me, as if he was saying to himself,
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他和我說話的時候表現得很厭煩 就好像在心裡說
01:13
"If this was the last girl on Earth, I wouldn't look at her!"
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“如果這是地球上剩下的唯一一個女孩, 我也不會理她的!”
01:17
What's the meaning of saying "menu" in Arabic?
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用阿拉伯語說“菜單” 這個動作的意義是什麽?
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Two words made a Lebanese young man judge a girl as being backward
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這兩個字讓一個黎巴嫩的年輕男人覺得
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and ignorant.
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一個女孩落後而無知
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How could she speak that way?
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“她怎麼能那樣說話呢?”
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At that moment, I started thinking.
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在那一刻,我開始思考
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It made me mad.
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這讓我憤怒
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It definitely hurts!
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這當然很傷人!
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I'm denied the right to speak my own language in my own country?
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我在我自己的國家 被剝奪了說自己語言的權利?
01:44
Where could this happen?
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哪裡能有這樣的事?
01:46
How did we get here?
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這怎麼會發生的?
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Well, while we are here, there are many people like me,
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好吧,在這裡,有很多人和我一樣
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who would reach a stage in their lives, where they involuntarily give up
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他們來到了人生一個這樣的階段
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everything that has happened to them in the past,
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不得不放棄過去發生在他們身上的一切
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just so they can say that they're modern
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才能藉此說明他們是文明的
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and civilized.
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開化的
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Should I forget all my culture, thoughts,
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我應該忘記我所有的文化、思想、
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intellect and all my memories?
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才智,和我所有的回憶嗎?
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Childhood stories might be the best memories we have of the war!
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童年的故事可能是我們 對戰爭擁有的最好記憶了!
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Should I forget everything I learned in Arabic, just to conform?
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我應該爲了妥協而忘記所有我用阿拉伯語學到的東西嗎?就爲了成為芸芸眾生中的一員?
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To be one of them?
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這一切邏輯在哪裡?
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Where's the logic in that?
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除了這些想法以外, 我也試著去理解那個侍應生 他很殘忍地評判我,但我不想那樣評判他 阿拉伯語無法滿足現代的需要
02:26
Despite all that, I tried to understand him.
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它不符合科學、
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I didn't want to judge him with the same cruelty that he judged me.
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研究的需要
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The Arabic language doesn't satisfy today's needs.
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不是一門我們在大學裡習慣使用的語言
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It's not a language for science,
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不是我們在工作中用的語言
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research,
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我們如果要進行先進 研究計劃的時候不會使用它
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a language we're used to in universities,
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而且它也絕不是我們會在機場使用的語言
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a language we use in the workplace,
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如果我們說了阿拉伯語 他們會扒光我們的衣服來檢查
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a language we rely on if we were to perform an advanced research project,
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那麼我可以在哪裡說阿拉伯語呢? 我們大家都可以問這個問題!
02:53
and it definitely isn't a language we use at the airport.
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你要我們用阿拉伯語 我們要在哪裡用呢?
02:56
If we did so, they'd strip us of our clothes.
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這是一種現狀
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Where can I use it, then? We could all ask this question!
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但還有另一個更重要的 現實問題值得我們思考
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So, you want us to use Arabic. Where are we to do so?
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阿拉伯語是母語
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This is one reality.
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研究表明,要掌握其他語言
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But we have another more important reality that we ought to think about.
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需要先掌握母語
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Arabic is the mother tongue.
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掌握母語是能用其他語言 進行創造性表達的先決條件
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Research says that mastery of other languages
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爲什麽?
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demands mastery of the mother tongue.
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紀伯倫·哈利勒·紀伯倫 (Gibran Khalil Gibran,黎巴嫩詩人)
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Mastery of the mother tongue is a prerequisite for creative expression in other languages.
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當他剛開始寫作的時候,用的是阿拉伯語 他所有的想法、想像力和哲學思考
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How?
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都是被他當年還是一個 村莊裡的小男孩時賦予的靈感
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Gibran Khalil Gibran,
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聞到的味道
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when he first started writing, he used Arabic.
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聽到的聲音
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All his ideas, imagination and philosophy
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以及思考的想法
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were inspired by this little boy in the village
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所以當他開始用英語寫作時 他有了足夠的儲備
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where he grew up, smelling a specific smell,
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甚至在他用英文寫作
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hearing a specific voice,
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你讀那些作品時,還是會聞到一樣的味道
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and thinking a specific thought.
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有一樣的感覺
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So, when he started writing in English, he had enough baggage.
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你想像得到,是同一個來自山裡的小男孩
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Even when he wrote in English,
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來自黎巴嫩山村裡的小男孩 在用英語寫作
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when you read his writings in English, you smell the same smell,
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這是一個無可爭議的例子
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sense the same feeling.
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第二,人們經常說 如果你要滅掉一個國家
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You can imagine that that's him writing in English,
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毀滅一個國家唯一的辦法
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the same boy who came from the mountain. From a village on Mount Lebanon.
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是消滅它的語言
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So, this is an example no one can argue with.
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這是發達社會意識到的一個現實
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Second, it's often said that if you want to kill a nation,
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德國、法國、日本、中國 這些國家都知道這個道理
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the only way to kill a nation,
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這是爲什麽他們都立法 來保護他們的語言
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is to kill its language.
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他們讓自己的母語變得神聖。
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This is a reality that developed societies are aware of.
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這是爲什麽他們在生產製作中使用母語 花很多錢來發展語言
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The Germans, French, Japanese and Chinese, all these nations are aware of this.
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我們比他們更知道這點嗎?
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That's why they legislate to protect their language.
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好吧
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They make it sacred.
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我們不發達
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That's why they use it in production, they pay a lot of money to develop it.
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還不知道這種先進的想法
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Do we know better than them?
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但我們想要追上這個文明世界的腳步
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All right,
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有些國家曾經和我們的現狀一樣
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we aren't from the developed world,
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但努力發展做科學研究
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this advanced thinking hasn't reached us yet,
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趕上發達國家腳步
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and we would like to catch up with the civilized world.
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比如土耳其,馬來西亞,以及其他一些國家
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Countries that were once like us, but decided to strive for development,
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他們在攀登階梯的時候 都保持了自己的語言
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do research,
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像鑽石一樣保護語言
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and catch up with those countries,
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他們始終和母語緊密聯繫
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such as Turkey, Malaysia and others,
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如果你在土耳其或其他地方買的產品
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they carried their language with them as they were climbing the ladder,
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沒有土耳其文標籤
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protected it like a diamond.
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那一定不是當地產的
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They kept it close to them.
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你不相信這是當地產的
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Because if you get any product from Turkey or elsewhere
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他們需要回到消費者的心理
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and it's not labeled in Turkish,
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理解一個毫無頭緒的消費者 就像我們大多數時候一樣
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then it isn't a local product.
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所以爲了創新和生產 他們需要保護自己的語言
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You wouldn't believe it's a local product.
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如果我說,“自由,尊嚴,獨立(阿拉伯語)”
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They'd go back to being consumers,
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你會想到什麽?
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clueless consumers, like we are most of the time.
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沒什麼共鳴,是吧?
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So, in order for them to innovate and produce, they had to protect their language.
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不管是誰,怎樣,爲什麽
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If I say, "Freedom, sovereignty, independence (Arabic),"
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語言不僅僅是爲了說話 不僅是我們嘴裡蹦出來的詞彙
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what does this remind you of?
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語言體現了我們人生中特定的階段
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It doesn't ring a bell, does it?
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以及和情緒聯繫在一起的名詞
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Regardless of the who, how and why.
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所以當我們說“自由,尊嚴,獨立”
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Language isn't just for conversing, just words coming out of our mouths.
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你們每個人都在自己腦海中畫了一幅畫
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Language represents specific stages in our lives,
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裡面有對某個特殊歷史階段中
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and terminology that is linked to our emotions.
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特殊一天的特殊感覺
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So when we say, "Freedom, sovereignty, independence,"
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語言並不是兩三個單詞拼湊在一起
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each one of you draws a specific image in their own mind,
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語言是關於我們怎樣思考
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there are specific feelings
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我們怎麼看其他人、 以及其他人怎麼看我們的想法 才智是指什麽?
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of a specific day in a specific historical period.
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你會怎麼說這個人是否理解了?
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Language isn't one, two or three words or letters put together.
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所以,如果我說,“自由,尊嚴,獨立(英語)”
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It's an idea inside that relates to how we think,
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或者,你的兒子到你面前說
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and how we see each other and how others see us.
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“爸爸,你經歷過自由(英語)標語的時代嗎?”
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What is our intellect?
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你會怎樣感覺?
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How do you say whether this guy understands or not?
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如果你不覺得有問題,
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So, if I say, "Freedom, sovereignty, independence (English),"
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那麼我最好現在就走,放棄徒勞的演說
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or if your son came up to you and said,
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我的意思是,這些話應該 提醒我們想起一些特別的事
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"Dad, have you lived through the period of the freedom (English) slogan?"
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我有一位說法語的朋友嫁給了一個法國人
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How would you feel?
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有一次我問她近況如何
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If you don't see a problem,
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她說 “一切都很好,
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then I'd better leave, and stop talking in vain.
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但就有一次,我花了整個晚上去向他解釋 ‘toqborni’的意思。” (阿拉伯語,直譯為“請把我埋起來”,意思是我深愛著你)
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The idea is that these expressions remind us of a specific thing.
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(笑聲)
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I have a francophone friend who's married to a French man.
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(掌聲)
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I asked her once how things were going.
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這個可憐的女人不小心和他說了“toqborni”
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She said, "Everything is fine,
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然後花了一整個晚上來解釋。
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but once, I spent a whole night asking and trying to translate
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她丈夫感到非常困惑: “怎麼會有人這麼殘忍呢?
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the meaning of the word 'toqborni' for him."
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她想自殺嗎?
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(Laughter)
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‘把我埋起來’(英語)?”
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(Applause)
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這是例子之一。
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The poor woman had mistakenly told him "toqborni,"
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這讓我們覺得,她不可能把意思解釋清楚。
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and then spent the whole night trying to explain it to him.
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因為他理解不了
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He was puzzled by the thought: "How could anyone be this cruel?
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而且他也確實理解不了: 思維的方式不一樣。
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Does she want to commit suicide?
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她和我說: “他和我一起聽Fairuz(黎巴嫩歌手), 有天晚上,我試著給他翻譯
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'Bury me?' (English)"
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這樣他就能體會我聽Fairuz的感覺。”
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This is one of the few examples.
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這個可憐的女人試著去翻譯這些話:
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It made us feel that she's unable to tell that word to her husband,
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“從他們那裡,我伸出手,把你偷來 ——”
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since he won't understand,
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(笑聲)
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and he's right not to; his way of thinking is different.
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現在來句難的:
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She said to me, "He listens to Fairuz with me,
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“因為你屬於他們,我收回手,把你留下”
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and one night, I tried to translate for him
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(笑聲)
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so he can feel what I feel when I listen to Fairuz."
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幫我翻譯這句話。
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The poor woman tried to translate this for him:
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(掌聲)
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"From them I extended my hands and stole you --"
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那麼,我們做了什麽去保護阿拉伯語呢?
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(Laughter)
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我們把對語言的重視轉化成文明社會的需要
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And here's the pickle:
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然後我們爲了保護阿拉伯語開始了活動。
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"And because you belong to them, I returned my hands and left you."
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儘管很多人和我說, "你爲什麽要去自討苦吃呢?
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(Laughter)
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忘記這頭疼的事,去享受生活吧。”
08:54
Translate that for me.
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沒事!
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(Applause)
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這個保護阿語活動有一個口號:
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So, what have we done to protect the Arabic language?
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“我從東方對你說話,你卻用西方的方式回答我”
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We turned this into a concern of the civil society,
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我們沒有說: “不!我們不接受這樣或者那樣。”
09:11
and we launched a campaign to preserve the Arabic language.
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我們沒有用那樣的方式, 因為那樣更沒有人會理解我們了
09:14
Even though many people told me, "Why do you bother?
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而且當別人用那樣的方式和我說話時 我討厭阿拉伯語。 我們說——
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Forget about this headache and go have fun."
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(掌聲)
09:20
No problem!
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我們想要改變現狀
09:22
The campaign to preserve Arabic launched a slogan that says,
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而且需要這樣確信 這種表達方式反映了 我們的夢想、激情和日常生活
09:25
"I talk to you from the East, but you reply from the West."
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如同我們一樣表達和思考
09:28
We didn't say, "No! We do not accept this or that."
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所以我們說 “我從東方對你說話,而你卻從西方回答”
09:36
We didn't adopt this style because that way, we wouldn't be understood.
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這句話正中目標
09:41
And when someone talks to me that way, I hate the Arabic language.
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很簡單,卻很有創意和說服力
09:44
We say--
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在那之後,我們又發起了另一個活動
09:46
(Applause)
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是在地上用字母構成場景
09:49
We want to change our reality,
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你在外面看到其中一個例子
09:51
and be convinced in a way that reflects our dreams, aspirations and day-to-day life.
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那是一個字母被黑色和黃色膠帶包圍
09:56
In a way that dresses like us and thinks like we do.
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上面寫著“不要殺死你的語言!”
10:01
So, "I talk to you from the East, but you reply from the West"
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爲什麽? 真的,不要殺死你的語言。
10:04
has hit the spot.
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我們真的不該殺死我們的語言。
10:06
Something very easy, yet creative and persuasive.
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如果我們失去了我們的語言 就要去尋找另一個身份
10:10
After that, we launched another campaign
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尋找自己的存在
10:14
with scenes of letters on the ground.
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我們會需要一切從頭開始
10:17
You've seen an example of it outside,
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這中間的意義絕不僅僅是 失去成為現代文明社會的機會
10:20
a scene of a letter surrounded by black and yellow tape
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之後,我們發佈了男孩女孩們 身穿阿拉伯字母的照片
10:24
with "Don't kill your language!" written on it.
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很“酷”的男孩和女孩的照片
10:27
Why? Seriously, don't kill your language.
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我們很酷!
10:31
We really shouldn't kill our language.
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如果有人說 "哈!你用了一個英語的詞!"
10:34
If we were to kill the language, we'd have to find an identity.
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我會回答, “不!我只是把'cool'這個詞收為己用了。”
10:39
We'd have to find an existence.
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如果他們要反對就讓他們去吧, 但請給我一個更好 更貼合現實的詞
10:41
We'd go back to the beginning.
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我會繼續說“網際網路”(internet)
10:43
This is beyond just missing our chance of being modern and civilized.
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我不會說, “我要去上世界萬維網” (笑聲)
10:51
After that we released photos of guys and girls wearing the Arabic letter.
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因為那不現實! 我們不該自欺欺人。
10:57
Photos of "cool" guys and girls.
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但是到了這裡, 我們都該相信
11:00
We are very cool!
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不能允許任何“重要人物”
11:02
And to whoever might say, "Ha! You used an English word!"
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或者認為在語言問題上統治我們的人
11:07
I say, "No! I adopt the word 'cool.'"
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來控制我們,逼我們用 他們想要的方式去思考和感受。
11:11
Let them object however they want, but give me a word that's nicer
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創新是關鍵。
11:14
and matches the reality better.
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即便我們不能去太空,不能造火箭什麽的
11:17
I will keep on saying "Internet"
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我們仍然可以有創意。
11:19
I wouldn't say: "I'm going to the world wide web"
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在這一刻,你們每個人都是一個創新的課題 你母語中蘊含的創造力就是我們該遵循的道路
11:22
(Laughs)
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讓我們從現在開始
11:24
Because it doesn't fit! We shouldn't kid ourselves.
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讓我們寫一部小說,拍一部短片
11:27
But to reach this point, we all have to be convinced
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一本小說就可能讓我們重新聞名全球
11:31
that we shouldn't allow anyone who is bigger
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它可能讓阿拉伯語重回世界第一語言
11:34
or thinks they have any authority over us when it comes to language,
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誰說沒有出路;我們有辦法!
11:37
to control us or make us think and feel what they want.
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但是我們必須知道而且確信,我們有辦法
11:43
Creativity is the idea.
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而且我們有責任去實行
11:47
So, if we can't reach space or build a rocket and so on,
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讓我來總結,你今天可以做什麽?
11:50
we can be creative.
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現在,推特,誰現在在發推特?
11:52
At this moment, every one of you is a creative project.
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拜託,我請求你, 儘管我已經到時間了
11:55
Creativity in your mother tongue is the path.
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不管你寫的是阿拉伯語,英語,法語還是中文
11:58
Let's start from this moment.
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但請不要在發阿拉伯文時夾雜拉丁字母和數字!
12:02
Let's write a novel or produce a short film.
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(掌聲)
12:04
A single novel could make us global again.
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那是場災難! 那不是一種語言
12:07
It could bring the Arabic language back to being number one.
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你會以一種虛擬的語言進入一個虛擬世界
12:12
So, it's not true that there's no solution; there is a solution!
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但是我們必須知道而且確信,我們有辦法
12:16
But we have to know that, and be convinced that a solution exists,
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這是我們可以做的第一件事
12:20
that we have a duty to be part of that solution.
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而且我們有責任去實行
12:23
In conclusion, what can you do today?
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讓我來總結,你今天可以做什麽?
12:26
Now, tweets, who's tweeting?
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現在,推特,誰現在在發推特?
12:32
Please, I beg of you, even though my time has finished,
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拜託,我請求你, 儘管我已經到時間了
12:37
either Arabic, English, French or Chinese.
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不管你寫的是阿拉伯語,英語,法語還是中文
12:42
But don't write Arabic with Latin characters mixed with numbers!
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但請不要在發阿拉伯文時夾雜拉丁字母和數字!
12:48
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
12:52
It's a disaster! That's not a language.
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那是場災難! 那不是一種語言
12:55
You'd be entering a virtual world with a virtual language.
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你會以一種虛擬的語言進入一個虛擬世界
12:59
It's not easy to come back from such a place and rise.
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從那個虛擬的地方回來然後重新崛起可不容易
13:02
That's the first thing we can do.
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這是我們可以做的第一件事
13:04
Second, there are many other things that we can do.
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第二,還有很多事情可以做
13:07
We're not here today to convince each other.
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我們今天來到這裡不是爲了說服彼此
13:09
We're here to bring attention to the necessity of preserving this language.
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而是爲了讓大家注意到 保護這門語言的重要性
13:13
Now I will tell you a secret.
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現在我要告訴你一個秘密
13:17
A baby first identifies its father
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嬰兒通過語言
13:22
through language.
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來初次認出父親
13:24
When my daughter is born, I'll tell her, "This is your father, honey (Arabic)."
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當我的女兒出生時,我會和她說: “這是你的爸爸,親愛的”(阿拉伯語)
13:29
I wouldn't say, "This is your dad, honey (English)."
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我不會說: “這是你的爸爸,親愛的”(英語)
13:34
And in the supermarket, I promise my daughter Noor,
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在超級市場,我向我女兒Noor保證
13:37
that if she says to me, "Thanks (Arabic),"
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如果她和我說“謝謝”(阿拉伯語)
13:40
I won't say, "Dis, 'Merci, Maman,'" and hope no one has heard her.
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我不會說,“你該說,'謝謝你,媽媽'”(法語) 然後希望沒人剛才聽到她說阿拉伯語
13:44
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
13:55
Let's get rid of this cultural cringe.
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讓我們擺脫文化上的卑躬屈膝。
14:01
(Applause)
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