Max Little: A test for Parkinson's with a phone call

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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翻译人员: Li Li 校对人员: Yuguo Zhang
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So, well, I do applied math,
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话说,我是学应用数学的
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and this is a peculiar problem
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对于每一个学应用数学的人来说
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for anyone who does applied math, is that
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有一个特殊的难题,就是
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we are like management consultants.
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我们和管理顾问都很像
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No one knows what the hell we do.
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没人知道我们是干嘛的
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So I am going to give you some -- attempt today
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所以我今天会给你们一些实例
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to try and explain to you what I do.
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来解释我们是干什么的
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So, dancing is one of the most human of activities.
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嗯,跳舞是人类众多的活动之一
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We delight at ballet virtuosos and tap dancers
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我们会因芭蕾舞大师和踢踏舞蹈者而感到欣悦
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you will see later on.
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稍后你们就会知道了
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Now, ballet requires an extraordinary level of expertise
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如今芭蕾需要非凡的专业知识
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and a high level of skill,
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和杰出的专业技巧
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and probably a level of initial suitability
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甚至一定的初级适应性
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that may well have a genetic component to it.
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这可能就是所说的天赋
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Now, sadly, neurological disorders such as Parkinson's disease
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不过,可悲的是,神经系统疾病,例如帕金森症
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gradually destroy this extraordinary ability,
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慢慢地在摧毁这一卓越的才能
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as it is doing to my friend Jan Stripling, who was
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这正发生在我的朋友Jan Striling身上
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a virtuoso ballet dancer in his time.
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他曾是他那个时代的芭蕾舞大师
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So great progress and treatment has been made over the years.
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这些年他接受过很多治疗也有很大的进步
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However, there are 6.3 million people worldwide
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然而,世上有630万的人
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who have the disease, and they have to live with
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患有这种疾病,而且他们还得忍受
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incurable weakness, tremor, rigidity
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无法治愈的虚弱,震颤,僵化
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and the other symptoms that go along with the disease,
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等其他伴随而来的症状的折磨
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so what we need are objective tools
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所以我们需要客观的工具
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to detect the disease before it's too late.
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在病重之前将之检测出来
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We need to be able to measure progression objectively,
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我们需要客观地测量进展
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and ultimately, the only way we're going to know
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最后,想要知道何时有治愈之方的唯一方法
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when we actually have a cure is when we have
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就是当我们
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an objective measure that can answer that for sure.
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拥有了能准确回答那些问题的客观测量法
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But frustratingly, with Parkinson's disease
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但令人泄气的是,帕金森症
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and other movement disorders, there are no biomarkers,
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和其他运动障碍疾病,都没有生物标志物
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so there's no simple blood test that you can do,
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所以你没法做简单的血液检查
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and the best that we have is like
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我们能做到的最好的
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this 20-minute neurologist test.
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就是像这个20分钟的神经学测试
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You have to go to the clinic to do it. It's very, very costly,
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你必须得到诊所去,而且花费相当相当大
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and that means that, outside the clinical trials,
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这也意味着,在临床试验之外
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it's just never done. It's never done.
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从来没人做过这个测试,从来没有
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But what if patients could do this test at home?
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但如果病人能在家完成这个测试呢?
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Now, that would actually save on a difficult trip to the clinic,
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这也能为病人节省下那段去诊所的路程
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and what if patients could do that test themselves, right?
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如果病人能独立完成这个测试呢?
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No expensive staff time required.
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就不需要花大量的钱去雇佣员工
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Takes about $300, by the way,
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顺便提下,如果去神经科诊所做的话
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in the neurologist's clinic to do it.
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这个费用要300美金
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So what I want to propose to you as an unconventional way
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所以我想向你们提出一个非常规的的方法
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in which we can try to achieve this,
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一个我们能尝试去达到目的的方法
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because, you see, in one sense, at least,
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因为你也知道,在某种意义上,至少
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we are all virtuosos like my friend Jan Stripling.
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我们都是像我朋友Jan Stripling一样的艺术大师
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So here we have a video of the vibrating vocal folds.
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我这里有一个关于声襞颤动的视频
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Now, this is healthy and this is somebody making speech sounds,
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这个是健康状态下的某人在发声
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and we can think of ourselves as vocal ballet dancers,
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我们把自己想当作是声音的芭蕾舞者
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because we have to coordinate all of these vocal organs
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因为当我们发声时
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when we make sounds, and we all actually
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我们得去协调这些发声器官,确实
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have the genes for it. FoxP2, for example.
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这些是与生俱来的,例如Foxp2基因
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And like ballet, it takes an extraordinary level of training.
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而且和芭蕾一样,这也需要经过特殊地训练
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I mean, just think how long it takes a child to learn to speak.
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可以想一想,小孩学说话得花多长时间
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From the sound, we can actually track
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从声音里,我们可以追寻到
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the vocal fold position as it vibrates,
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声襞颤动时的位置
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and just as the limbs are affected in Parkinson's,
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正如帕金森能影响我们四肢
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so too are the vocal organs.
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它也能影响我们发声器官
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So on the bottom trace, you can see an example of
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你可以看到底部的颤动轨迹
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irregular vocal fold tremor.
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是一种不规则的声襞颤动
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We see all the same symptoms.
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我们看到了一样的症状
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We see vocal tremor, weakness and rigidity.
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声音颤动,虚弱,和僵化
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The speech actually becomes quieter and more breathy
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讲话会变得小声而且之后伴随更多气息音
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after a while, and that's one of the example symptoms of it.
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这些都是症状的例子
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So these vocal effects can actually be quite subtle,
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事实上,这些声效大部分时候挺难以捉摸的
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in some cases, but with any digital microphone,
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但只要有任何一款数码麦克风
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and using precision voice analysis software
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搭上精密的声音分析软件
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in combination with the latest in machine learning,
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再组合用上最新的目前已非常先进的
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which is very advanced by now,
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机器研究
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we can now quantify exactly where somebody lies
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现在我们就能准确地定量
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on a continuum between health and disease
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他人处于健康和疾病这一直线上的位置
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using voice signals alone.
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这仅仅只需要语音信号而已
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So these voice-based tests, how do they stack up against
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那么这些以语音为基础的测试,他们会怎样
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expert clinical tests? We'll, they're both non-invasive.
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与专业的临床测试展开较量呢?其实他们都是无创技术
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The neurologist's test is non-invasive. They both use existing infrastructure.
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神经学测试是无创性的,而且他们都使用现有的基础设备
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You don't have to design a whole new set of hospitals to do it.
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你无需去设计一系列新的医院来完成测试
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And they're both accurate. Okay, but in addition,
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他们也都具有精确性。虽然这么说,但是
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voice-based tests are non-expert.
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基于语音的测试却不是专家级别的
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That means they can be self-administered.
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这意味着患者能自己搞定
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They're high-speed, take about 30 seconds at most.
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而且速度也快,最多只要30秒
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They're ultra-low cost, and we all know what happens.
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价格很低,我们也知道是怎么一回儿事
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When something becomes ultra-low cost,
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一旦价格低廉
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it becomes massively scalable.
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它也就能被大规模地扩展
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So here are some amazing goals that I think we can deal with now.
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我这儿有些现在能拿出来说的伟大的目标
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We can reduce logistical difficulties with patients.
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我们能减少和病人有关的后勤问题
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No need to go to the clinic for a routine checkup.
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没必要去诊所做例行的检查
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We can do high-frequency monitoring to get objective data.
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我们能进行高频率的监测以获取客观数据
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We can perform low-cost mass recruitment for clinical trials,
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我们能为临床试验组织大量征召且耗费很低
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and we can make population-scale screening
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我们也能使人数的规模的展示
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feasible for the first time.
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在第一时间变得可行
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We have the opportunity to start to search
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我们也有机会开始寻找
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for the early biomarkers of the disease before it's too late.
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这种疾病在病入膏肓前的早期生物标志物
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So, taking the first steps towards this today,
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所以,从今天开始朝这个方向迈出第一步
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we're launching the Parkinson's Voice Initiative.
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我们开始了Parkinson's Voice Initiative(帕金森主创声音测试)这个项目
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With Aculab and PatientsLikeMe, we're aiming
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和Aculab还有PatientsLikeMe一起合作,我们希望
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to record a very large number of voices worldwide
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记录下大量世界各地的声音
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to collect enough data to start to tackle these four goals.
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收集足够的数据来达到这四个目标
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We have local numbers accessible to three quarters
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我们的市话号码能接通地球上
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of a billion people on the planet.
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7亿5000万人的来电
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Anyone healthy or with Parkinson's can call in, cheaply,
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任何健康或者患有帕金森疾病的人都能打进来,很便宜
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and leave recordings, a few cents each,
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留下录音,每次只要几分钱
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and I'm really happy to announce that we've already hit
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我很高兴宣布我们仅在8小时内
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six percent of our target just in eight hours.
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就达到了我们目标的6%
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Thank you. (Applause)
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谢谢(掌声)
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
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Tom Rielly: So Max, by taking all these samples of,
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Tom Rielly: Max,靠着这些采样
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let's say, 10,000 people,
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不妨说,在一万人中
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you'll be able to tell who's healthy and who's not?
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你能够辨别出谁是健康的,谁是患病的?
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What are you going to get out of those samples?
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你又想从这些采样中得出什么呢?
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Max Little: Yeah. Yeah. So what will happen is that,
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Max Little:对,是的。所以是这样的
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during the call you have to indicate whether or not
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在来电期间,你得告诉我们
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you have the disease or not, you see. TR: Right.
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你是否患有这种疾病。TR:嗯
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ML: You see, some people may not do it. They may not get through it.
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ML:要知道,有些人可能不会打给我们,或者没接通
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But we'll get a very large sample of data that is collected
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但我们还是会得到大量
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from all different circumstances, and it's getting it
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来自不同环境下的采样数据
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in different circumstances that matter because then
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而且重点是不同的环境,因为这样
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we are looking at ironing out the confounding factors,
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我们才能消除掉那些混淆的因素
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and looking for the actual markers of the disease.
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寻求这种疾病真正的标记
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TR: So you're 86 percent accurate right now?
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TR:所以你现在拥有86%的准确率了?
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ML: It's much better than that.
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ML:已经远远不止了
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Actually, my student Thanasis, I have to plug him,
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事实上,我的学生Thanasis,我得提一下他
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because he's done some fantastic work,
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因为他做出一些出色的成果
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and now he has proved that it works over the mobile telephone network as well,
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现在他已经证明了在移动电话网上也能进行这个项目
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which enables this project, and we're getting 99 percent accuracy.
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所以现在我们接近99%的准确率了
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TR: Ninety-nine. Well, that's an improvement.
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TR:九十九,好吧,这还挺了不起的
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So what that means is that people will be able to —
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所以这也意味着人们能——
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ML: (Laughs)
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ML:(笑)
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TR: People will be able to call in from their mobile phones
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TR:人们能用手机打进你们的电话
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and do this test, and people with Parkinson's could call in,
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然后做这项测试,帕金森病人也能打通电话
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record their voice, and then their doctor can check up
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然后记录下声音,之后他们的医生就能检查他们的进展
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on their progress, see where they're doing in this course of the disease.
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确定他们处于这种疾病的哪个阶段
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ML: Absolutely.
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ML:就是这样
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TR: Thanks so much. Max Little, everybody.
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TR:非常感谢,Max Little和所有人
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ML: Thanks, Tom. (Applause)
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ML:谢谢你Tom(掌声)
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