Christopher deCharms: A look inside the brain in real time

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Translator: Farrukh Yakubov Reviewer: Nafissa Yakubova
00:12
Hi. I'm going to ask you to raise your arms and wave back,
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Salom. Men sizlardan qullaringizni ko'tarib silkitishni so'rayman
00:15
just the way I am -- kind of a royal wave.
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men qilayotganday -- shoxona to'lqin kabi.
00:18
You can mimic what you can see.
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Siz ko'rayotgan narsani qila olasiz.
00:20
You can program the hundreds of muscles in your arm.
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Siz qo'lingizdagi yuzlab muskullarni dasturlay olasiz.
00:23
Soon, you'll be able to look inside your brain and program,
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Tez orada, siz miyangizning ichiga qaray olasiz va
00:28
control the hundreds of brain areas that you see there.
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siz ko'radigan yuzlab miya sohalarini dasturlab boshqara olasiz.
00:30
I'm going to tell you about that technology.
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Men shu texnologiya haqida aytmoqchiman.
00:33
People have wanted to look inside the human mind,
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Odamlar odam ongining, miyasining ichiga
00:34
the human brain, for thousands of years.
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qarashni minglab yillardan buyon istashadi.
00:37
Well, coming out of the research labs just now, for our generation, is the possibility to do that.
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Ilmiy-tadqiqot laborotoriyalar tufayli, hozirda bizning avlod uchun buni amalga oshirish imkoniyati mavjud.
00:42
People envision this as being very difficult.
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Odamlar buni juda qiyin deb tasavvur qilishadi.
00:44
You had to take a spaceship, shrink it down, inject it into the bloodstream.
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Fazo kemasini olib, uni kichraytirib, qonga kiritishingiz kerak.
00:48
It was terribly dangerous. (Laughter)
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U juda ham havfli edi.
00:50
You could be attacked by white blood cells in the arteries.
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Siz arteriyalarda oq qon hujayralari tomonidan hujumga uchrashingiz mumkun.
00:53
But now, we have a real technology to do this.
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Lekin hozirda, bizda buni amalga oshirish uchun haqiqiy texnologiya bor.
00:57
We're going to fly into my colleague Peter's brain.
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Biz mening hamkasbim Peterning miyasiga uchamiz.
00:59
We're going to do it non-invasively using MRI.
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Biz buni MRI yordamida miyaga kirmagan holda qilamiz.
01:02
We don't have to inject anything. We don't need radiation.
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Biz xech narsa kiritishimiz kerak emas. Bizga radiatsiya ham kerak emas.
01:06
We will be able to fly into the anatomy of Peter's brain -- literally, fly into his body --
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Biz Peterning miyasi ichiga uchib kira olamiz -- huddi uning tanasiga uchib kirganday --
01:11
but more importantly, we can look into his mind.
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muhimrog'i, biz uning ongiga qaray olamiz.
01:13
When Peter moves his arm, that yellow spot you see there
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Peter qo'lini harakatlantirganda, siz kurayotgan sariq nuqta
01:16
is the interface to the functioning of Peter's mind taking place.
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Peterning ongi jaroyoni sodir bulayotgan joyni ko'rsatadi.
01:20
Now you've seen before that with electrodes you can control robotic arms,
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Siz ilgari, electrodlar bilan robot qo'llarini boshqarsa bulishini ko'rgansiz,
01:23
that brain imaging and scanners can show you the insides of brains.
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miya tasvirlash va skanerlar sizga miya ichini ko'rsata oladi.
01:27
What's new is that that process has typically taken days or months of analysis.
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Yangilik shuki, jarayonni tadqiq qilishga birnecha kun yoki oylar ketgan.
01:32
We've collapsed that through technology to milliseconds,
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Biz texnologiya orqali millisekundlarga erishdik,
01:35
and that allows us to let Peter to look at his brain in real time as he's inside the scanner.
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yani, Peter skaner ichida bulganda uz miyasi ichiga qaray oladi.
01:39
He can look at these 65,000 points of activation per second.
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U sekundiga 65000 aktiv nuqtalarni ko'ra oladi.
01:44
If he can see this pattern in his own brain, he can learn how to control it.
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Agar u o'z miyasidagi ketma-ketlikni ko'ra olsa, u uni qanday boshqarishni o'rgana oladi.
01:48
There have been three ways to try to impact the brain:
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Miyaga ta'sir qilishning uch usuli bor edi:
01:51
the therapist's couch, pills and the knife.
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terapist kushetkasi, dorilar va pichoq.
01:55
This is a fourth alternative that you are soon going to have.
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Bu esa sizda yaqinda buladigan to'rtinchi alternativ.
01:59
We all know that as we form thoughts, they form deep channels in our minds and in our brains.
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Bizga ma'lumki, bizda paydo bulgan fikrlar bizning miyamizda chuqur izlar qoldiradi.
02:04
Chronic pain is an example. If you burn yourself, you pull your hand away.
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Surunkali og'riq bir misol. Agar qulingizni kuydirdangiz, uni tortib olasiz.
02:08
But if you're still in pain in six months' or six years' time,
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Lekin agar siz olti oy yoki olti yil vaqt davomida hanuz og'riqda bulsangiz,
02:12
it's because these circuits are producing pain that's no longer helping you.
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uning sababi og'riq hosil qilayotgan holatlar sizga yordam bermayotganidir.
02:16
If we can look at the activation in the brain that's producing the pain,
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Agar biz og'riq hosil qilaytgan miyadagi jarayonga qaray olsak,
02:19
we can form 3D models and watch in real time the brain process information,
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biz 3 koordinata tekisligida nusha yasab, miyadagi ayni vaqtdagi axborot jarayonini kuzata olamiz,
02:24
and then we can select the areas that produce the pain.
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va biz og'riq hosil qilayotgan sohalarni belgilay olamiz.
02:27
So put your arms back up and flex your bicep.
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Qo'llaringizni orqaga kutaring va eging.
02:30
Now imagine that you will soon be able to look inside your brain
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Endi miyangizni ichini kura olishingizni
02:34
and select brain areas to do that same thing.
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va huddi shu ishni qilish uchun miya sohalarini tanlashni tasavvur qiling.
02:36
What you're seeing here is, we've selected the pathways in the brain of a chronic pain patient.
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Siz ko'rayotgan narsa, biz surunkali og'rig'i bor bemorning miyasidagi sohalarni tanladik.
02:40
This may shock you, but we're literally reading this person's brain in real time.
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Bu sizni hayratlantirishi mumkun, lekin biz bu odamning miyasini ayni vaqtda o'qiyapmiz.
02:44
They're watching their own brain activation,
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Ular o'z miyasining jarayonlarini kuzatishmoqda,
02:46
and they're controlling the pathway that produces their pain.
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va ular og'riq hosil qilayotgan sohalarni boshqarishmoqda.
02:50
They're learning to flex this system that releases their own endogenous opiates.
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Ular ularning o'z ichki tinchlantiruvchi vositalar sistemasini tuzatishmoqda.
02:54
As they do it, in the upper left is a display
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Ular shunday qilishlari bilan, yuqoridagi chapdagi ekran
02:57
that's yoked to their brain activation of their own pain being controlled.
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ularning o'z og'riqlarining miyadagi jarayoni boshqarilishiga bog'langan.
03:01
When they control their brain, they can control their pain.
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Ular miyasini boshqarishganda, ular og'riqni boshqara olishadi.
03:05
This is an investigational technology,
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Bu tadqiqiy texnologiya,
03:07
but, in clinical trials, we're seeing a 44 to 64 percent decrease in chronic pain patients.
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lekin klinik tajribalarda biz surunkali bemorlarda og'riqning 44 dan 64 foiz gacha kamayishini kuzatyapmiz.
03:12
This is not "The Matrix." You can only do this to yourself. You take control.
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Bu "Matritsa" emas. O'zingiz uchun faqaq siz qila olasiz. Siz boshqarasiz.
03:17
I've seen inside my brain. You will too, soon.
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Men uz miyam ichini kurganman. Siz ham yaqinda kurasiz.
03:21
When you do, what do you want to control?
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Ushanda, nimani boshqarishni istaysiz?
03:24
You will be able to look at all the aspects that make you yourself, all your experiences.
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Siz uzingiz bajarayotgan barcha narsani kura olasiz, barcha jarayonlarni.
03:29
These are some of the areas we're working on today that I don't have time to go into in detail.
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Bular biz shu kunlarda ishlayotgan bazi sohalar, va to'laroq ma'lumot berishga vaqt yetarli emas.
03:34
But I want to leave with you the big question.
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lekin men sizni muhim savol bilan qoldirmoqchiman.
03:37
We are the first generation that's going to be able to enter into,
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Biz texnologiyadan foydalanib, odam ongi va miyasiga
03:40
using this technology, the human mind and brain.
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kira olish imkoniyatiga ega birinchi avlodmiz.
03:43
Where will we take it?
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Biz buni nima qilamiz?
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