How trees talk to each other | Suzanne Simard

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Prevodilac: Mile Živković Lektor: Milenka Okuka
00:12
Imagine you're walking through a forest.
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Zamislite da hodate kroz šumu.
00:15
I'm guessing you're thinking of a collection of trees,
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Pretpostavljam da mislite na skupinu drveća,
00:19
what we foresters call a stand,
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ono što mi šumari nazivamo grupom,
00:21
with their rugged stems and their beautiful crowns.
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sa njihovim robusnim stablima i predivnim krošnjama.
00:25
Yes, trees are the foundation of forests,
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Da, drveće je osnova šume,
00:28
but a forest is much more than what you see,
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ali šuma je mnogo više od onoga što vidite,
00:31
and today I want to change the way you think about forests.
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i danas želim da promenim način na koji razmišljate o šumama.
00:35
You see, underground there is this other world,
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Vidite, pod zemljom je ovaj drugi svet,
00:39
a world of infinite biological pathways
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svet beskonačnih bioloških puteva
00:42
that connect trees and allow them to communicate
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koji povezuju drveće i dozvoljavaju im da komuniciraju
00:45
and allow the forest to behave as though it's a single organism.
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i dozvoljavaju šumama da se ponašaju kao da su jedan organizam.
00:50
It might remind you of a sort of intelligence.
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Možda će vas podsetiti na neku vrstu inteligencije.
00:53
How do I know this?
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Kako znam ovo?
00:55
Here's my story.
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Evo moje priče.
00:57
I grew up in the forests of British Columbia.
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Odrasla sam u šumama Britanske Kolumbije.
01:01
I used to lay on the forest floor and stare up at the tree crowns.
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Ležala bih na tlu šume i zurila nagore u krošnje.
01:04
They were giants.
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Bile su ogromne.
01:06
My grandfather was a giant, too.
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I moj deda je bio ogroman.
01:07
He was a horse logger,
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On je bio drvoseča
01:09
and he used to selectively cut cedar poles from the inland rainforest.
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i birao bi posebna debla kedra i sekao ih u unutrašnjosti prašume.
01:13
Grandpa taught me about the quiet and cohesive ways of the woods,
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Deda me je naučio tihim i kohezivnim običajima šume
01:17
and how my family was knit into it.
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i tome da je moja porodica utkana u šumu.
01:21
So I followed in grandpa's footsteps.
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Nastavila sam dedinim koracima.
01:23
He and I had this curiosity about forests,
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On i ja smo se zanimali za šume
01:26
and my first big "aha" moment
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i moj prvi veliki "aha" trenutak
01:28
was at the outhouse by our lake.
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bio je pored poljskog toaleta blizu našeg jezera.
01:31
Our poor dog Jigs had slipped and fallen into the pit.
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Naš jadni pas Džigs se okliznuo i upao u jamu.
01:36
So grandpa ran up with his shovel to rescue the poor dog.
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Deda je dotrčao sa ašovom da spasi jadnog psa.
01:39
He was down there, swimming in the muck.
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Bio je tamo dole i plivao u prljavštini.
01:43
But as grandpa dug through that forest floor,
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Ali dok je deda kopao po šumskom tlu,
01:45
I became fascinated with the roots,
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fasciniralo me je korenje
01:48
and under that, what I learned later was the white mycelium
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i ono ispod njega, za šta sam kasnije saznala da je beli micelijum
01:51
and under that the red and yellow mineral horizons.
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i ispod toga, crveni i žuti mineralni horizonti.
01:55
Eventually, grandpa and I rescued the poor dog,
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Na kraju smo deda i ja spasili jadnog psa,
01:58
but it was at that moment that I realized
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ali tog trenutka sam shvatila
02:00
that that palette of roots and soil
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da je paleta korenja i zemljišta
02:03
was really the foundation of the forest.
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zapravo osnova šume.
02:06
And I wanted to know more.
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I želela sam da znam više.
02:08
So I studied forestry.
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Pa sam studirala šumarstvo.
02:11
But soon I found myself working alongside the powerful people
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Ali uskoro sam se zatekla kako radim pored moćnih ljudi
02:15
in charge of the commercial harvest.
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zaduženih za komercijalnu seču.
02:17
The extent of the clear-cutting
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Razmere krčenja šuma
02:20
was alarming,
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bile su uznemirujuće
02:21
and I soon found myself conflicted by my part in it.
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i uskoro sam se zatekla u konfliktnoj poziciji.
02:25
Not only that, the spraying and hacking of the aspens and birches
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Ne samo to, nego prskanje i orezivanje jasika i breza,
02:30
to make way for the more commercially valuable planted pines and firs
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kako bi se prokrčio put za isplativije sadnice borova i jela
02:35
was astounding.
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bilo je zapanjujuće.
02:37
It seemed that nothing could stop this relentless industrial machine.
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Činilo se da ništa ne može da zaustavi upornu industrijsku mašinu.
02:41
So I went back to school,
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Tako sam se vratila na školovanje
02:44
and I studied my other world.
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i izučavala sam svoj drugi svet.
02:47
You see, scientists had just discovered in the laboratory in vitro
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Vidite, naučnici su tek otkrili u laboratoriji in vitro
02:51
that one pine seedling root
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da jedan koren sadnice bora
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could transmit carbon to another pine seedling root.
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može da prenosi ugljenik na drugi koren sadnice bora.
02:58
But this was in the laboratory,
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Ali ovo je bilo u laboratoriji,
02:59
and I wondered, could this happen in real forests?
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i zapitala sam se, može li ovo da se desi u pravim šumama?
03:03
I thought yes.
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Mislila sam da može.
03:05
Trees in real forests might also share information below ground.
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Drveće u stvarnim šumama može da deli informacije pod zemljom.
03:10
But this was really controversial,
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Ali ovo je bilo zaista kontroverzno
03:11
and some people thought I was crazy,
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i neki ljudi su mislili da sam luda
03:14
and I had a really hard time getting research funding.
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i bilo mi je veoma teško da dobijem sredstva za istraživanje.
03:17
But I persevered,
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Ali bila sam istrajna
03:20
and I eventually conducted some experiments deep in the forest,
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i na kraju sam sprovela neke eksperimente duboko u šumi,
03:24
25 years ago.
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pre 25 godina.
03:26
I grew 80 replicates of three species:
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Uzgajila sam po 80 primeraka tri vrste:
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paper birch, Douglas fir, and western red cedar.
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papiraste breze, Daglasove jele i zapadnog crvenog kedra.
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I figured the birch and the fir would be connected in a belowground web,
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Pretpostavila sam da će breza i jela biti povezane mrežom pod zemljom,
03:36
but not the cedar.
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ali ne i kedar.
03:37
It was in its own other world.
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On je bio u sopstvenom svetu.
Skupila sam aparaturu
03:40
And I gathered my apparatus,
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03:42
and I had no money, so I had to do it on the cheap.
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i nisam imala novca, tako da sam morala to da uradim na jeftin način.
03:45
So I went to Canadian Tire --
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Otišla sam u prodavnicu opreme za majstore -
03:47
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:48
and I bought some plastic bags and duct tape and shade cloth,
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i kupila sam plastične kese i selotejp i tkaninu za prekrivanje,
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a timer, a paper suit, a respirator.
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tajmer, papirno odelo i respirator.
03:56
And then I borrowed some high-tech stuff from my university:
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Onda sam pozajmila neke moderne stvari sa svog univerziteta:
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a Geiger counter, a scintillation counter, a mass spectrometer, microscopes.
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Gajgerov brojač, scintilacioni brojač, maseni spektrometar, mikroskope.
04:04
And then I got some really dangerous stuff:
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Onda sam uzela neke zaista opasne stvari:
04:06
syringes full of radioactive carbon-14 carbon dioxide gas
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špriceve pune radioaktivnog gasa ugljenik-14 ugljenik dioksid
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and some high pressure bottles
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i boce pod visokim pritiskom
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of the stable isotope carbon-13 carbon dioxide gas.
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pune stabilnog izotopa gasa ugljenik-13 ugljenik dioksid.
04:17
But I was legally permitted.
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Ali sve je bilo legalno.
04:19
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:20
Oh, and I forgot some stuff,
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Da, ponešto sam zaboravila,
04:23
important stuff: the bug spray,
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bitne stvari: sprej protiv insekata,
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the bear spray, the filters for my respirator.
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sprej protiv medveda, filter za respirator.
04:29
Oh well.
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Šta sad.
04:31
The first day of the experiment, we got out to our plot
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Prvog dana eksperimenta, otišli smo do svog parčeta zemlje
04:34
and a grizzly bear and her cub chased us off.
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i oterali su nas grizli medvedica i njeno mladunče.
04:37
And I had no bear spray.
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A ja nisam imala sprej protiv medveda.
04:41
But you know, this is how forest research in Canada goes.
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Ali znate, tako to ide sa istraživanjem u šumi u Kanadi.
04:44
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:45
So I came back the next day,
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Vratila sam se narednog dana
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and mama grizzly and her cub were gone.
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i mama grizli i mladunče su nestali.
04:49
So this time, we really got started,
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Ovaj put smo se stvarno zaleteli
04:51
and I pulled on my white paper suit,
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i obukla sam belo papirno odelo,
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I put on my respirator,
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stavila respirator
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and then
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i onda
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I put the plastic bags over my trees.
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sam stavila plastične kese preko svog drveća.
05:03
I got my giant syringes,
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Uzela sam ogromne špriceve
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and I injected the bags
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i u kese ubrizgala
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with my tracer isotope carbon dioxide gases,
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gasove ugljen dioksida u vidu izotopa za praćenje,
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first the birch.
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prvo u brezu.
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I injected carbon-14, the radioactive gas,
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Ubrizgala sam radioaktivni gas, ugljenik-14
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into the bag of birch.
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u kesu sa brezom.
05:16
And then for fir,
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A za jelu,
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I injected the stable isotope carbon-13 carbon dioxide gas.
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ubrizgala sam stabilni izotop gasa ugljenik-13 ugljenik dioksid.
05:21
I used two isotopes,
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Koristila sam dva izotopa
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because I was wondering
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zato što sam se pitala
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whether there was two-way communication going on between these species.
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da li je postojala dvosmerna komunikacija između ove dve vrste.
05:29
I got to the final bag,
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Došla sam do poslednje kese,
05:32
the 80th replicate,
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do osamdesetog primerka
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and all of a sudden mama grizzly showed up again.
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i odjednom se opet pojavila mama grizli.
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And she started to chase me,
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I počela je da me juri
05:37
and I had my syringes above my head,
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i špricevi su mi bili nad glavom
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and I was swatting the mosquitos, and I jumped into the truck,
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i ubijala sam komarce i uskočila sam u kamionet
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and I thought,
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i pomislila sam:
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"This is why people do lab studies."
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"Zato ljudi rade istraživanja u laboratoriji."
05:46
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
05:49
I waited an hour.
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Čekala sam sat vremena.
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I figured it would take this long
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Pretpostavila sam da će ovoliko trebati
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for the trees to suck up the CO2 through photosynthesis,
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da drveće upije ugljen-dioksid putem fotosinteze,
05:55
turn it into sugars, send it down into their roots,
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pretvori ga u šećere, pošalje ga dole do korenja
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and maybe, I hypothesized,
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i možda, pretpostavljala sam,
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shuttle that carbon belowground to their neighbors.
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prebaci taj ugljenik pod zemljom do svojih suseda.
06:04
After the hour was up,
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Nakon što je prošao sat,
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I rolled down my window,
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spustila sam prozor,
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and I checked for mama grizzly.
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i proverila da li je grizli tu.
06:10
Oh good, she's over there eating her huckleberries.
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Super, eto je tamo i jede svoje borovnice.
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So I got out of the truck and I got to work.
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Izlazim iz kamioneta i vraćam se poslu.
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I went to my first bag with the birch. I pulled the bag off.
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Otišla sam do prve kese sa brezom, skinula sam kesu,
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I ran my Geiger counter over its leaves.
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prošla sam Gajgerovim brojačem preko njenog lišća.
06:23
Kkhh!
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Khhh!
06:25
Perfect.
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Savršeno.
06:26
The birch had taken up the radioactive gas.
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Breza je upila radioaktivni gas.
06:29
Then the moment of truth.
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Trenutak istine.
06:31
I went over to the fir tree.
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Otišla sam do drveta jele.
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I pulled off its bag.
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Skinula sam kesu.
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I ran the Geiger counter up its needles,
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Prevukla sam Gajgerov brojač preko iglica
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and I heard the most beautiful sound.
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i čula sam predivan zvuk.
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Kkhh!
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Khhh!
06:42
It was the sound of birch talking to fir,
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To je bio zvuk razgovora breze i jele
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and birch was saying, "Hey, can I help you?"
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i breza je govorila: "Hej, mogu li da ti pomognem?"
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And fir was saying, "Yeah, can you send me some of your carbon?
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A jela je govorila: "Da, možeš li mi poslati nešto ugljenika?
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Because somebody threw a shade cloth over me."
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Pošto je neko prebacio tkaninu preko mene."
06:56
I went up to cedar, and I ran the Geiger counter over its leaves,
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Došla sam do kedra i prešla sam Gajgerovim brojačem preko lišća
07:00
and as I suspected,
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i kao što sam i sumnjala,
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silence.
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tišina.
07:04
Cedar was in its own world.
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Kedar je bio u svom svetu.
07:06
It was not connected into the web interlinking birch and fir.
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Nije bio povezan u mrežu koja je spajala brezu i jelu.
07:11
I was so excited,
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Bila sam tako uzbuđena,
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I ran from plot to plot and I checked all 80 replicates.
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trčala sam od zasada do zasada i proverila sam svih 80 komada.
07:18
The evidence was clear.
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Dokazi su bili jasni.
07:20
The C-13 and C-14 was showing me
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C-13 i C-14 su mi pokazivali
07:23
that paper birch and Douglas fir were in a lively two-way conversation.
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da papirasta breza i Daglasova jela vode živahan dvostrani razgovor.
07:27
It turns out at that time of the year,
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Ispostavlja se da u to doba godine,
07:29
in the summer,
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tokom leta,
07:31
that birch was sending more carbon to fir than fir was sending back to birch,
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ta breza šalje više ugljenika jeli nego što je jela vraćala brezi,
07:34
especially when the fir was shaded.
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naročito kad je jela bila u senci.
07:37
And then in later experiments, we found the opposite,
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U kasnijim eksperimentima otkrili smo suprotno,
07:40
that fir was sending more carbon to birch than birch was sending to fir,
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da je jela slala više ugljenika brezi nego što je breza jeli,
07:43
and this was because the fir was still growing while the birch was leafless.
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a to je zato što je jela još rasla dok breza nije imala listova.
07:47
So it turns out the two species were interdependent,
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Ispostavlja se da su dve vrste zavisne jedna od druge,
07:50
like yin and yang.
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poput jina i janga.
07:52
And at that moment, everything came into focus for me.
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U tom trenutku, sve mi se razbistrilo.
07:55
I knew I had found something big,
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Znala sam da sam otkrila nešto veliko,
07:58
something that would change the way we look at how trees interact in forests,
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nešto što bi promenilo način na koji gledamo interakciju drveća u šumama,
08:03
from not just competitors
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ne kao suparnike
08:05
but to cooperators.
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već kao članove tima.
08:07
And I had found solid evidence
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Takođe sam otkrila jake dokaze
08:10
of this massive belowground communications network,
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za ovu ogromnu podzemnu mrežu za komunikacije,
08:13
the other world.
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za drugi svet.
08:15
Now, I truly hoped and believed
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Zaista sam se nadala i verovala
08:17
that my discovery would change how we practice forestry,
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da će moje otkriće izmeniti to kako se bavimo šumarstvom,
08:21
from clear-cutting and herbiciding
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od krčenja i prskanja herbicidima
08:23
to more holistic and sustainable methods,
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do drugih metoda koji su više holistički i održivi,
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methods that were less expensive and more practical.
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metoda koje su jeftinije i praktičnije.
08:29
What was I thinking?
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Gde mi je bila pamet?
08:31
I'll come back to that.
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Vratiću se na to.
08:35
So how do we do science in complex systems like forests?
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Kako da se bavimo naukom u kompleksnim sistemima poput šuma.
08:40
Well, as forest scientists, we have to do our research in the forests,
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Kao naučnici za šume, moramo da istražujemo u šumama
08:44
and that's really tough, as I've shown you.
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a to je zaista teško, kao što sam vam pokazala.
08:46
And we have to be really good at running from bears.
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I moramo da budemo sjajni u bežanju od medveda.
08:50
But mostly, we have to persevere
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Ali pre svega moramo biti istrajni,
08:52
in spite of all the stuff stacked against us.
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uprkos svim stvarima koje su protiv nas.
08:55
And we have to follow our intuition and our experiences
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I moramo da pratimo svoju intuiciju i svoja iskustva
08:57
and ask really good questions.
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i postavljamo zaista dobra pitanja.
09:00
And then we've got to gather our data and then go verify.
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Onda moramo da skupimo podatke i potvrdimo ih.
09:03
For me, I've conducted and published hundreds of experiments in the forest.
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Za mene, sprovela sam i objavila stotine eksperimenata u šumi.
09:09
Some of my oldest experimental plantations are now over 30 years old.
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Neke od mojih najstarijih eksperimentalnih plantaža sada imaju preko 30 godina.
09:14
You can check them out.
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Možete ih pogledati.
09:15
That's how forest science works.
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Tako radi nauka o šumi.
09:18
So now I want to talk about the science.
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Sada želim da pričam o nauci.
09:20
How were paper birch and Douglas fir communicating?
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Kako su komunicirale papirasta breza i Daglasova jela?
09:23
Well, it turns out they were conversing not only in the language of carbon
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Ispostavlja se da su pričale ne samo jezikom ugljenika
09:28
but also nitrogen and phosphorus
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već i azota i fosfora
09:31
and water and defense signals and allele chemicals and hormones --
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i vode i odbrambenih signala i hemikalija alela i hormona -
09:35
information.
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informacije.
09:38
And you know, I have to tell you, before me, scientists had thought
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Znate, moram da vam kažem, pre mene, naučnici su mislili
09:41
that this belowground mutualistic symbiosis called a mycorrhiza
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da su ovde uključene zajedničke podzemne simbioze
09:44
was involved.
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zvane mikorize.
09:46
Mycorrhiza literally means "fungus root."
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Mikoriza bukvalno znači "koren gljive".
09:50
You see their reproductive organs when you walk through the forest.
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Vidite njihove reproduktivne organe kada hodate kroz šumu.
09:54
They're the mushrooms.
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To su gljive.
09:56
The mushrooms, though, are just the tip of the iceberg,
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Ipak, gljive su samo vrh ledenog brega,
09:59
because coming out of those stems are fungal threads that form a mycelium,
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jer iz tih stabljika rastu vlakna gljiva koja stvaraju micelijum
10:03
and that mycelium infects and colonizes the roots
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i taj micelijum zarazi i koloniše korenje
10:06
of all the trees and plants.
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sveg drveća i biljaka.
10:08
And where the fungal cells interact with the root cells,
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Tu gde dolazi do interakcije ćelija gljiva i korenja,
10:11
there's a trade of carbon for nutrients,
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trampi se ugljenik za hranljive materije
10:13
and that fungus gets those nutrients by growing through the soil
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i ta gljiva dobija te hranljive materije tako što raste kroz tlo
10:16
and coating every soil particle.
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i prekriva svaku česticu tla.
10:19
The web is so dense that there can be hundreds of kilometers of mycelium
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Mreža je toliko gusta da može postojati stotine kilometara micelijuma
10:24
under a single footstep.
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pod jednim otiskom stopala.
10:26
And not only that, that mycelium connects different individuals in the forest,
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Ne samo to, taj micelijum povezuje različite jedinke u šumi,
10:32
individuals not only of the same species but between species, like birch and fir,
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ne samo jedinke iste vrste nego između vrsta, poput breze i jele
10:37
and it works kind of like the Internet.
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i to funkcioniše poput interneta.
10:41
You see, like all networks,
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Vidite, poput svih mreža,
10:43
mycorrhizal networks have nodes and links.
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mreža mikoriza ima čvorove i veze.
10:46
We made this map by examining the short sequences of DNA
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Ovu mapu smo napravili ispitujući kratke delove DNK
10:50
of every tree and every fungal individual in a patch of Douglas fir forest.
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svakog drveta i svake jedinke gljive u delu šume Daglasove jele.
10:56
In this picture, the circles represent the Douglas fir, or the nodes,
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Na ovoj slici krugovi predstavljaju Daglasove jele, tj. čvorove,
10:59
and the lines represent the interlinking fungal highways, or the links.
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a linije predstavljaju povezane puteve gljiva, tj. veze.
11:05
The biggest, darkest nodes are the busiest nodes.
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Najveći, najtamniji čvorovi su i najprometniji.
11:09
We call those hub trees,
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Njih zovemo centralnim drvećem,
11:11
or more fondly, mother trees,
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ili prisnije, drvećem-majkama,
11:13
because it turns out that those hub trees nurture their young,
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jer se ispostavlja da to centralno drveće pazi na svoj podmladak,
11:18
the ones growing in the understory.
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na one koji rastu pod njima.
11:21
And if you can see those yellow dots,
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Ako možete da vidite te žute tačke,
11:23
those are the young seedlings that have established within the network
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to su mlade sadnice koje su se utvrdile unutar mreže
11:26
of the old mother trees.
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starog drveća-majki.
11:28
In a single forest, a mother tree can be connected to hundreds of other trees.
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U jednoj šumi, drvo-majka može biti povezano sa stotinama drugog drveća.
11:33
And using our isotope tracers,
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Koristeći praćenje putem izotopa,
11:36
we have found that mother trees
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otkrili smo da drveće-majke
11:37
will send their excess carbon through the mycorrhizal network
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šalje višak ugljenika kroz mrežu mikoriza
11:40
to the understory seedlings,
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do sadnica ispod njih,
11:42
and we've associated this with increased seedling survival
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a ovo smo povezali sa porastom u preživljavanju sadnica
11:45
by four times.
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povećanim za četiri puta.
11:47
Now, we know we all favor our own children,
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Svi znamo da više volimo sopstvenu decu
11:51
and I wondered, could Douglas fir recognize its own kin,
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i zapitala sam se, može li Daglasova jela da prepozna sopstvenu vrstu,
11:55
like mama grizzly and her cub?
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poput mame grizli i njenog mladunčeta?
11:58
So we set about an experiment,
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Započeli smo eksperiment
12:00
and we grew mother trees with kin and stranger's seedlings.
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i zasadili smo drveće-majke sa njihovim i tuđim sadnicama.
12:04
And it turns out they do recognize their kin.
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Ispostavlja se da zaista prepoznaju svoj rod.
12:07
Mother trees colonize their kin with bigger mycorrhizal networks.
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Drveće-majke kolonizuje svoj rod uz pomoć veće mreže mikoriza.
12:12
They send them more carbon below ground.
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Šalje im više ugljenika pod zemljom.
12:14
They even reduce their own root competition
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Čak i smanjuje konkurenciju u smislu sopstvenog korenja
12:17
to make elbow room for their kids.
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kako bi napravilo više prostora za svoju decu.
12:20
When mother trees are injured or dying,
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Kada je drveće-majke povređeno ili umire,
12:23
they also send messages of wisdom on to the next generation of seedlings.
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takođe šalje mudre poruke narednoj generaciji sadnica.
12:29
So we've used isotope tracing
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Koristili smo praćenje izotopom
12:30
to trace carbon moving from an injured mother tree
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da bismo pratili kretanje ugljenika od povređenog drveta majke
12:33
down her trunk into the mycorrhizal network
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kroz njeno deblo do mreže mikoriza
12:35
and into her neighboring seedlings,
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i do susednih sadnica,
12:38
not only carbon but also defense signals.
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ne samo ugljenik već i odbrambeni signali.
12:41
And these two compounds
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Ova dva sastojka
12:43
have increased the resistance of those seedlings to future stresses.
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povećala su otpornost tih sadnica na buduće stresove.
12:47
So trees talk.
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Tako da drveće priča.
12:50
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
12:52
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
12:57
Through back and forth conversations,
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Kroz razgovor,
12:59
they increase the resilience of the whole community.
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ono povećava otpornost čitave zajednice.
13:03
It probably reminds you of our own social communities,
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To vas verovatno podseća na naše društvene zajednice
13:06
and our families,
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i naše porodice,
13:07
well, at least some families.
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pa, makar na neke porodice.
13:09
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:11
So let's come back to the initial point.
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Vratimo se na početak.
13:14
Forests aren't simply collections of trees,
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Šume nisu samo skupine drveća,
13:16
they're complex systems with hubs and networks
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one su složeni sistemi centara i mreža,
13:20
that overlap and connect trees and allow them to communicate,
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koje se preklapaju i povezuju drveće i omogućavaju im komunikaciju
13:24
and they provide avenues for feedbacks and adaptation,
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i pružaju im mesta za povratne informacije i adaptaciju
13:27
and this makes the forest resilient.
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i ovo šumu čini otpornom.
13:30
That's because there are many hub trees and many overlapping networks.
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To je zato što postoji mnogo centralnog drveća
i mreža koje se preklapaju.
13:34
But they're also vulnerable,
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Ali takođe su i osetljive,
13:36
vulnerable not only to natural disturbances
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ne samo na prirodne poremećaje,
13:40
like bark beetles that preferentially attack big old trees
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poput buba potkornjaka koje više vole veće, starije drveće
13:43
but high-grade logging and clear-cut logging.
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već i na preveliku seču drveća, poput krčenja šuma.
13:47
You see, you can take out one or two hub trees,
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Vidite, možete skloniti dva ili tri centralna drveta
13:50
but there comes a tipping point,
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ali postoji određena granica,
13:52
because hub trees are not unlike rivets in an airplane.
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pošto je centralno drveće nešto nalik zakivcima na avionu.
13:55
You can take out one or two and the plane still flies,
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Možete da izvadite jedan ili dva i avion će još leteti,
13:59
but you take out one too many,
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ali ako izvadite previše njih
14:01
or maybe that one holding on the wings,
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ili onaj koji pridržava krila,
14:03
and the whole system collapses.
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ceo sistem će propasti.
14:07
So now how are you thinking about forests? Differently?
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Da li sada drugačije razmišljate o šumama?
14:09
(Audience) Yes.
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(Publika) Da.
14:11
Cool.
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Kul.
14:13
I'm glad.
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Drago mi je.
14:14
So, remember I said earlier that I hoped that my research,
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Sećate se da sam ranije rekla da sam se nadala da će moje istraživanje,
14:18
my discoveries would change the way we practice forestry.
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da će moja otkrića izmeniti način na koji se bavimo šumarstvom.
14:22
Well, I want to take a check on that 30 years later here in western Canada.
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Želela sam da proverim to 30 godina kasnije ovde u Zapadnoj Kanadi.
14:34
This is about 100 kilometers to the west of us,
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Ovo je oko 100 kilometara zapadno od nas,
14:37
just on the border of Banff National Park.
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tik uz granicu Nacionalnog parka Banf.
14:41
That's a lot of clear-cuts.
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To je dosta krčenja.
14:43
It's not so pristine.
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Nije baš sjajno.
14:45
In 2014, the World Resources Institute reported that Canada in the past decade
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Godine 2014, Svetski institut za resurse izjavio je da je Kanada protekle decenije
14:51
has had the highest forest disturbance rate of any country worldwide,
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imala najveću stopu remećenja šuma od svih zemalja širom sveta,
14:55
and I bet you thought it was Brazil.
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a kladim se da ste mislili da je to Brazil.
14:59
In Canada, it's 3.6 percent per year.
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U Kanadi, to je 3,6 procenata godišnje.
15:02
Now, by my estimation, that's about four times the rate that is sustainable.
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Po mojoj proceni, to je oko četiri puta više od stope koja je održiva.
15:09
Now, massive disturbance at this scale is known to affect hydrological cycles,
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Masivno remećenje na ovom nivou zna da utiče na vodene cikluse,
15:13
degrade wildlife habitat,
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da smanji prisustvo životinjskog sveta
15:15
and emit greenhouse gases back into the atmosphere,
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i da emituje gasove staklene bašte nazad u atmosferu
15:18
which creates more disturbance and more tree diebacks.
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što prouzrokuje još remećenja i još uginulog drveća.
15:23
Not only that, we're continuing to plant one or two species
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Ne samo to, nastavljamo da sadimo jednu ili dve vrste
15:26
and weed out the aspens and birches.
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i istrebljujemo jasike i breze.
15:29
These simplified forests lack complexity,
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Ovim pojednostavljenim šumama nedostaje kompleksnost
15:31
and they're really vulnerable to infections and bugs.
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i veoma su ranjive na infekcije i parazite.
15:35
And as climate changes,
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A kako se menja klima,
15:37
this is creating a perfect storm
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ovo stvara savršenu situaciju
15:41
for extreme events, like the massive mountain pine beetle outbreak
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za ekstremne događaje, poput pojave velikog broja planinskih potkornjaka
15:45
that just swept across North America,
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koji su u preplavili Severnu Ameriku
15:47
or that megafire in the last couple months in Alberta.
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ili onaj ogromni požar pre nekoliko meseci u Alberti.
15:52
So I want to come back to my final question:
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Želim da se vratim na svoje poslednje pitanje:
15:56
instead of weakening our forests,
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umesto da oslabljujemo svoje šume,
15:58
how can we reinforce them and help them deal with climate change?
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kako da ih ojačamo i pomognemo im da se nose sa klimatskim promenama?
16:03
Well, you know, the great thing about forests as complex systems
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Znate, sjajna stvar kod šuma kao kompleksnih sistema
16:07
is they have enormous capacity to self-heal.
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je da imaju ogroman kapacitet da se same leče.
16:11
In our recent experiments,
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U našim skorašnjim eksperimentima,
16:13
we found with patch-cutting and retention of hub trees
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otkrili smo da uz mestimičnu seču i održavanje centralnog drveća
16:16
and regeneration to a diversity of species and genes and genotypes
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i regeneracije s ciljem raznolikosti vrsta i gena i genotipa,
16:20
that these mycorrhizal networks, they recover really rapidly.
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ove mreže mikoriza se vraćaju u život prilično brzo.
16:25
So with this in mind, I want to leave you with four simple solutions.
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S ovim na umu, ostaviću vas sa četiri jednostavna rešenja.
16:30
And we can't kid ourselves that these are too complicated to act on.
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Ne možemo se zavaravati da su previše komplikovana za delanje.
16:35
First, we all need to get out in the forest.
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Pre svega, moramo izaći u šumu.
16:39
We need to reestablish local involvement in our own forests.
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Moramo da ponovo uspostavimo lokalni udeo u sopstvenim šumama.
16:44
You see, most of our forests now
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Vidite, u većini sadašnjih šuma
16:45
are managed using a one-size-fits-all approach,
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upravlja se jednim istim pristupom,
16:48
but good forest stewardship requires knowledge of local conditions.
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ali dobro vođenje šuma zahteva poznavanje lokalnih uslova.
16:54
Second, we need to save our old-growth forests.
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Drugo, moramo da sačuvamo naše starije šume.
16:59
These are the repositories of genes and mother trees and mycorrhizal networks.
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To su skladišta gena i drveća-majki i mreža mikoriza.
17:06
So this means less cutting.
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To znači manje sečenja.
17:08
I don't mean no cutting, but less cutting.
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Ne mislim na ukidanje sečenja, već manje sečenja.
17:11
And third, when we do cut,
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Treće, kada sečemo,
17:14
we need to save the legacies,
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moramo da sačuvamo nasledstva,
17:17
the mother trees and networks,
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drveće-majke i mreže
17:18
and the wood, the genes,
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i drvo, gene,
17:20
so they can pass their wisdom onto the next generation of trees
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tako da mogu da proslede svoju mudrost na narednu generaciju drveća,
17:24
so they can withstand the future stresses coming down the road.
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kako bi ona mogla da izdrži buduće pritiske koji nailaze.
17:28
We need to be conservationists.
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Moramo da čuvamo prirodu.
17:31
And finally, fourthly and finally,
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Konačno, četvrto i poslednje,
17:35
we need to regenerate our forests with a diversity of species
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moramo da regenerišemo svoje šume sa varijetetom vrsta
17:38
and genotypes and structures
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i genotipa i struktura
17:41
by planting and allowing natural regeneration.
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tako što ćem saditi i dozvoliti prirodnu regeneraciju.
17:44
We have to give Mother Nature the tools she needs
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Moramo da Majci Prirodi damo alatke koje su joj neophodne
17:47
to use her intelligence to self-heal.
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da koristi svoju inteligenciju da se leči sama.
17:51
And we need to remember that forests aren't just a bunch of trees
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I moramo da zapamtimo da šume nisu samo gomile drveća
17:54
competing with each other,
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koje se takmiči među sobom,
17:55
they're supercooperators.
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one sarađuju međusobno.
17:58
So back to Jigs.
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Vraćamo se Džigsu.
18:00
Jigs's fall into the outhouse showed me this other world,
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Džigsov pad u poljski toalet pokazao mi je ovaj drugi svet
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and it changed my view of forests.
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i promenio moj pogled na šume.
18:07
I hope today to have changed how you think about forests.
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Nadam se da ste danas promenili način na koji posmatrate šume.
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Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
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(Applause)
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