How trees talk to each other | Suzanne Simard

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翻译人员: Huazhe Xie 校对人员: Yuan Ma
00:12
Imagine you're walking through a forest.
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想象你正穿行在森林中。
00:15
I'm guessing you're thinking of a collection of trees,
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我猜你想的是一大片树,
00:19
what we foresters call a stand,
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我们林业工作者称之为“林分”,
00:21
with their rugged stems and their beautiful crowns.
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它们有着遒劲的枝干 和美丽的树冠。
00:25
Yes, trees are the foundation of forests,
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是的,树是森林的基础,
00:28
but a forest is much more than what you see,
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但是森林可比你看到的复杂多了,
00:31
and today I want to change the way you think about forests.
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而今天我想改变一下你们对森林的看法。
00:35
You see, underground there is this other world,
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你知道吗,森林的地下是另外一个世界,
00:39
a world of infinite biological pathways
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一个拥有无限的生物通路的世界,
00:42
that connect trees and allow them to communicate
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这些通路把树木连接起来, 使得它们可以彼此沟通,
00:45
and allow the forest to behave as though it's a single organism.
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也使森林表现得好像一个单独的有机体。
00:50
It might remind you of a sort of intelligence.
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这可能会让你想到某种程度的智慧。
00:53
How do I know this?
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我是怎么知道这些的呢?
00:55
Here's my story.
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来听听我的故事吧。
00:57
I grew up in the forests of British Columbia.
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我是在不列颠哥伦比亚省(加拿大) 的森林中长大的。
01:01
I used to lay on the forest floor and stare up at the tree crowns.
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那时我总喜欢躺在森林的地面上, 向上望着那些树冠。
01:04
They were giants.
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它们都是巨人。
01:06
My grandfather was a giant, too.
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我的祖父也是个巨人。
01:07
He was a horse logger,
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他是一名伐木工,
01:09
and he used to selectively cut cedar poles from the inland rainforest.
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他以前曾在内陆雨林 有选择性地砍伐杉木。
01:13
Grandpa taught me about the quiet and cohesive ways of the woods,
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爷爷教会我了解树木间 安静而紧密连接的沟通方式,
01:17
and how my family was knit into it.
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以及我们家族是如何融入其中的。
01:21
So I followed in grandpa's footsteps.
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所以我也追随了爷爷的脚步。
01:23
He and I had this curiosity about forests,
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他和我都有关于森林的好奇心,
01:26
and my first big "aha" moment
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我的第一次“顿悟”时刻
01:28
was at the outhouse by our lake.
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是在我们湖边的外屋的时候。
01:31
Our poor dog Jigs had slipped and fallen into the pit.
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我们可怜的狗吉格斯 脚一滑跌进了一个坑里。
01:36
So grandpa ran up with his shovel to rescue the poor dog.
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爷爷匆忙抄起一把铁铲, 跑过去救那只可怜的狗。
01:39
He was down there, swimming in the muck.
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那狗掉进了深处,在淤泥里挣扎。
01:43
But as grandpa dug through that forest floor,
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但在爷爷挖开森林的地面的时候,
01:45
I became fascinated with the roots,
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我却被那些露出的树根深深地吸引了,
01:48
and under that, what I learned later was the white mycelium
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我后来发现了,在树根下面 有很多白色的菌丝,
01:51
and under that the red and yellow mineral horizons.
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再下面就是红色和黄色的矿质土层了。
01:55
Eventually, grandpa and I rescued the poor dog,
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当然最终,我和爷爷 救出了那只可怜的狗,
01:58
but it was at that moment that I realized
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但也就是在那时我意识到,
02:00
that that palette of roots and soil
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正是树根和土壤的混合
02:03
was really the foundation of the forest.
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构成了森林的基础。
02:06
And I wanted to know more.
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于是我就想了解更多。
02:08
So I studied forestry.
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所以我开始学习林业学。
02:11
But soon I found myself working alongside the powerful people
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但后来很快我发现我的工作 是在那些负责商业化采集的
02:15
in charge of the commercial harvest.
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那些有权有势的人周围。
02:17
The extent of the clear-cutting
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在森林中皆伐(将一片空地的树木全部砍除) 的范围
02:20
was alarming,
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已经敲响了警钟,
02:21
and I soon found myself conflicted by my part in it.
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我很快意识到我所处位置的矛盾性。
02:25
Not only that, the spraying and hacking of the aspens and birches
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不仅如此,为了种植更具有商业价值的 松树和冷杉,
02:30
to make way for the more commercially valuable planted pines and firs
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从而喷死或者砍伐掉山杨和桦树的规模
02:35
was astounding.
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也非常让人震惊。
02:37
It seemed that nothing could stop this relentless industrial machine.
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看上去好像没什么能阻止 这些无情的工业机器了。
02:41
So I went back to school,
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所以我回到了学校,
02:44
and I studied my other world.
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转而研究我的“新世界”。
02:47
You see, scientists had just discovered in the laboratory in vitro
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你知道,科学家们那时已经在实验室的试管中发现了
02:51
that one pine seedling root
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一棵松树的幼苗根系
02:53
could transmit carbon to another pine seedling root.
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可以将碳转移到另一颗松树的幼苗根系上。
02:58
But this was in the laboratory,
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但这仅仅是在实验室里,
02:59
and I wondered, could this happen in real forests?
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所以我想: 这也会发生在真正的森林里吗?
03:03
I thought yes.
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我觉得是的。
03:05
Trees in real forests might also share information below ground.
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在真正的森林中, 树木可能还会在地下交流信息。
03:10
But this was really controversial,
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但这个想法其实挺有争议的,
03:11
and some people thought I was crazy,
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一些人觉得我疯了,
03:14
and I had a really hard time getting research funding.
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所以我筹集科研经费的那段日子 真的很艰难。
03:17
But I persevered,
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但我坚持了下来,
03:20
and I eventually conducted some experiments deep in the forest,
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而且我最终在森林的深处 成功做出了一些实验,
03:24
25 years ago.
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那是在25年前。
03:26
I grew 80 replicates of three species:
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那时我种了三种树,一共80棵:
03:29
paper birch, Douglas fir, and western red cedar.
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有纸皮桦、花旗松和西部红杉。
03:32
I figured the birch and the fir would be connected in a belowground web,
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我认为纸皮桦和花旗松 在地下的网络中应该是能交流的,
03:36
but not the cedar.
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但是西部红杉应该是不行的。
03:37
It was in its own other world.
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西部红杉比较“与世隔绝”。
03:40
And I gathered my apparatus,
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我收拾起我的设备仪器,
03:42
and I had no money, so I had to do it on the cheap.
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我那时没钱啊, 所以我决定得省着点。
03:45
So I went to Canadian Tire --
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所以我去了加拿大轮胎公司——
03:47
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:48
and I bought some plastic bags and duct tape and shade cloth,
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我买了一些塑料袋、 一些布基胶带和遮光布,
03:52
a timer, a paper suit, a respirator.
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一个计时器、一件纸套装和一个呼吸器。
03:56
And then I borrowed some high-tech stuff from my university:
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然后我又从我的大学借了一些 高科技的东西:
03:59
a Geiger counter, a scintillation counter, a mass spectrometer, microscopes.
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一个盖革计数器、一个闪烁计数器、 一个质谱仪和几个显微镜。
04:04
And then I got some really dangerous stuff:
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然后我又拿了一些非常危险的东西:
04:06
syringes full of radioactive carbon-14 carbon dioxide gas
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几支充满了放射性碳14 的二氧化碳气体的注射器,
04:11
and some high pressure bottles
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和几个高压气瓶,
04:13
of the stable isotope carbon-13 carbon dioxide gas.
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里面充满了稳定性同位素 碳13的二氧化碳气体。
04:17
But I was legally permitted.
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不过我这么做是合法的哦。
04:19
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:20
Oh, and I forgot some stuff,
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哦对了,我还忘说了几样东西,
04:23
important stuff: the bug spray,
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很重要的东西:喷雾杀虫剂、
04:25
the bear spray, the filters for my respirator.
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防熊喷雾剂和我呼吸器的过滤网。
04:29
Oh well.
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好了。
04:31
The first day of the experiment, we got out to our plot
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实验的第一天, 我们来到了实验地点,
04:34
and a grizzly bear and her cub chased us off.
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突然一头灰熊和她的熊宝宝出现, 把我们赶跑了。
04:37
And I had no bear spray.
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然后我还没带防熊喷雾剂。
04:41
But you know, this is how forest research in Canada goes.
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但你知道吗,在加拿大 做森林研究其实就是这样的。
04:44
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
04:45
So I came back the next day,
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所以第二天我又回来了,
04:47
and mama grizzly and her cub were gone.
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灰熊妈妈和熊宝宝没在。
04:49
So this time, we really got started,
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这一次我们可以真正开始实验了,
04:51
and I pulled on my white paper suit,
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我穿上我的白纸套装工作服,
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I put on my respirator,
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带上呼吸器,
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and then
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然后
04:59
I put the plastic bags over my trees.
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给我的树都罩上了塑料袋。
05:03
I got my giant syringes,
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我拿出我那些大注射器,
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and I injected the bags
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往袋子里面注入了
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with my tracer isotope carbon dioxide gases,
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含有示踪同位素的 二氧化碳气体,
05:10
first the birch.
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首先是纸皮桦。
05:11
I injected carbon-14, the radioactive gas,
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我往罩纸皮桦的袋子里面打入了
05:14
into the bag of birch.
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有放射性碳14的气体。
05:16
And then for fir,
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然后是花旗松,
05:17
I injected the stable isotope carbon-13 carbon dioxide gas.
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我往他们的袋子中注射了 含有稳定性同位素碳13的二氧化碳。
05:21
I used two isotopes,
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我用了两种同位素,
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because I was wondering
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因为我不知道
05:24
whether there was two-way communication going on between these species.
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这两种树之间的交流是否是双向的。
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I got to the final bag,
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当我走向最后一个袋子时,
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the 80th replicate,
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也就是第80棵样本,
05:33
and all of a sudden mama grizzly showed up again.
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突然间,那头灰熊妈妈又出现了。
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And she started to chase me,
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然后她开始追我,
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and I had my syringes above my head,
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我把我们的那些注射器举过头顶,
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and I was swatting the mosquitos, and I jumped into the truck,
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扑打着周围无数的蚊子, 然后跳上了卡车,
然后我想,
05:43
and I thought,
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05:44
"This is why people do lab studies."
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“这就是为什么人们喜欢在实验室做实验的原因吧。”
05:46
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
05:49
I waited an hour.
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我等了一小时。
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I figured it would take this long
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我觉得这个时间差不多可以
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for the trees to suck up the CO2 through photosynthesis,
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让那些树通过光合作用吸收二氧化碳,
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turn it into sugars, send it down into their roots,
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转换生成糖, 再把糖送到它们的根,
05:58
and maybe, I hypothesized,
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然后也许,我也是猜测,
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shuttle that carbon belowground to their neighbors.
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把那些碳元素从地下传给它们的邻居。
06:04
After the hour was up,
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一小时的时间到了之后,
06:06
I rolled down my window,
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我摇下了车窗,
06:08
and I checked for mama grizzly.
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看看灰熊妈妈还在不在。
06:10
Oh good, she's over there eating her huckleberries.
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哦太棒了,她在挺远的地方吃她的蓝莓呢。
06:13
So I got out of the truck and I got to work.
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所以我下了卡车继续我的工作。
06:16
I went to my first bag with the birch. I pulled the bag off.
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我走到第一个罩上袋子的那棵桦树旁边。 把袋子扯了下来。
06:20
I ran my Geiger counter over its leaves.
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我在那棵树的叶子旁边用盖革计数器检测一下。
06:23
Kkhh!
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咔~~~
06:25
Perfect.
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完美。
06:26
The birch had taken up the radioactive gas.
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那棵桦树已经完全吸收了 放射性的二氧化碳。
06:29
Then the moment of truth.
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然后就是见证真相的时刻了。
06:31
I went over to the fir tree.
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我走向一棵花旗松。
06:33
I pulled off its bag.
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扯下树上那个袋子。
06:35
I ran the Geiger counter up its needles,
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在它的针叶旁边用盖革计数器进行检测,
06:37
and I heard the most beautiful sound.
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然后我又听到了那最悦耳的声音。
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Kkhh!
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咔~~~
06:42
It was the sound of birch talking to fir,
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这就是纸皮桦对花旗松说话的声音,
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and birch was saying, "Hey, can I help you?"
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纸皮桦说: “嘿,我能帮你点什么?”
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And fir was saying, "Yeah, can you send me some of your carbon?
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然后花旗松回应它: “啊对了,你能给我点你的碳吗?
06:52
Because somebody threw a shade cloth over me."
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因为刚才有人用遮光布 把我罩住了。”
06:56
I went up to cedar, and I ran the Geiger counter over its leaves,
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接着我又走到西部红杉旁边, 我用盖革计数器在它的叶子旁边检测了一下,
07:00
and as I suspected,
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结果正如我猜测的一样,
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silence.
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一片寂静。
07:04
Cedar was in its own world.
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西部红杉还真的是与世隔绝的。
07:06
It was not connected into the web interlinking birch and fir.
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它并没有连接到纸皮桦与花旗松 互连的网络中。
07:11
I was so excited,
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我特别激动,
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I ran from plot to plot and I checked all 80 replicates.
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我在那80棵样本之间跑来跑去, 对所有的树都进行了检测。
07:18
The evidence was clear.
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最后的结果显而易见。
07:20
The C-13 and C-14 was showing me
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碳13和碳14的流向告诉我
07:23
that paper birch and Douglas fir were in a lively two-way conversation.
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纸皮桦和花旗松之间的交流是双向的。
07:27
It turns out at that time of the year,
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结果还表明在每年的这个时间,
07:29
in the summer,
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在夏天的时候,
07:31
that birch was sending more carbon to fir than fir was sending back to birch,
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纸皮桦给花旗松送的碳 比花旗松反送给它的要多,
07:34
especially when the fir was shaded.
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特别是当花旗松见不到阳光的时候。
07:37
And then in later experiments, we found the opposite,
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而在随后的实验中, 我们发现了相反的情况,
07:40
that fir was sending more carbon to birch than birch was sending to fir,
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花旗松给纸皮桦送的碳 比纸皮桦给它的碳多,
07:43
and this was because the fir was still growing while the birch was leafless.
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这是因为当纸皮桦树叶掉光了的时候, 花旗松还在不停的生长。
07:47
So it turns out the two species were interdependent,
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这就说明这两种树其实是相互依赖的,
07:50
like yin and yang.
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就像“阴”和“阳”。
07:52
And at that moment, everything came into focus for me.
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在那个时候,事情开始变得清晰起来。
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I knew I had found something big,
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我知道我有了重大发现,
07:58
something that would change the way we look at how trees interact in forests,
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这个发现可以改变我们对 森林中树木互动方式的看法,
08:03
from not just competitors
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树木之间不仅有竞争关系,
08:05
but to cooperators.
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同时也有合作关系。
08:07
And I had found solid evidence
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并且我当时已经找到了
08:10
of this massive belowground communications network,
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关于在那个世界中, 树木的巨大地下交流网络的
08:13
the other world.
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确凿的证据。
08:15
Now, I truly hoped and believed
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现在,我真诚地希望和相信
08:17
that my discovery would change how we practice forestry,
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我的发现能够改变我们的林业实践活动,
08:21
from clear-cutting and herbiciding
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能够让我们放弃皆伐和大范围的使用除草剂,
08:23
to more holistic and sustainable methods,
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转而采用一些更全面和更可持续的方法。
08:26
methods that were less expensive and more practical.
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这些方法更经济,也更实用。
08:29
What was I thinking?
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当时我在想什么呢?
08:31
I'll come back to that.
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我等一下会说到。
08:35
So how do we do science in complex systems like forests?
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那么,在像森林这样复杂的系统中 应该怎么做科学研究呢?
08:40
Well, as forest scientists, we have to do our research in the forests,
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其实,作为林业学家, 我们就是要实实在在地在森林里做研究,
08:44
and that's really tough, as I've shown you.
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即使,就像我刚才给你们讲的, 你所面对的环境会非常恶劣。
08:46
And we have to be really good at running from bears.
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我们要非常擅长于 逃脱熊的追赶。
08:50
But mostly, we have to persevere
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但在大多数时间里,我们必须要坚持不懈,
08:52
in spite of all the stuff stacked against us.
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即使所有的事情都跟我们作对。
08:55
And we have to follow our intuition and our experiences
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我们必须要遵从自己的直觉和经验,
08:57
and ask really good questions.
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然后提出有价值的问题。
09:00
And then we've got to gather our data and then go verify.
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之后我们还得收集并且核实数据。
09:03
For me, I've conducted and published hundreds of experiments in the forest.
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对我来说,我在森林中已经进行和发表过 上百次的实验了。
09:09
Some of my oldest experimental plantations are now over 30 years old.
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有一些我最早进行实验的种植园 到现在已经超过30年了。
09:14
You can check them out.
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你可以去看看它们。
09:15
That's how forest science works.
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这才是搞林业学应该做的事。
09:18
So now I want to talk about the science.
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那么现在我想谈一谈科学本身了。
09:20
How were paper birch and Douglas fir communicating?
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纸皮桦和花旗松到底是怎么交流的呢?
09:23
Well, it turns out they were conversing not only in the language of carbon
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实际上,它们不仅仅使用碳元素 作为它们交流的语言,
09:28
but also nitrogen and phosphorus
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其实还有氮元素和磷元素,
09:31
and water and defense signals and allele chemicals and hormones --
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还有水、防卫信号、 等位基因化学物和激素——
09:35
information.
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这些都是信息。
09:38
And you know, I have to tell you, before me, scientists had thought
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你知道吗,我得告诉你们, 在我之前的科学家们都认为
09:41
that this belowground mutualistic symbiosis called a mycorrhiza
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这种地下的互惠共生现象 是因为一种菌根
09:44
was involved.
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介入其中的。
09:46
Mycorrhiza literally means "fungus root."
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菌根的字面意思就是“真菌的根部”。
09:50
You see their reproductive organs when you walk through the forest.
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当你穿行在森林中时 你经常都能看到它们的繁殖器官。
09:54
They're the mushrooms.
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它们就是蘑菇。
09:56
The mushrooms, though, are just the tip of the iceberg,
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而其实那些蘑菇 仅仅是冰山一角,
09:59
because coming out of those stems are fungal threads that form a mycelium,
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因为从那些树干里冒出来的 菌丝生成了菌丝体,
10:03
and that mycelium infects and colonizes the roots
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菌丝体会感染和占领
10:06
of all the trees and plants.
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树木和植物的根。
10:08
And where the fungal cells interact with the root cells,
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在真菌细胞和 根细胞交流的地方,
10:11
there's a trade of carbon for nutrients,
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时时刻刻都发生着为了获取营养的碳交易,
10:13
and that fungus gets those nutrients by growing through the soil
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真菌靠着在土地里生长 并且覆盖住所有的土壤颗粒
10:16
and coating every soil particle.
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来获取养分。
10:19
The web is so dense that there can be hundreds of kilometers of mycelium
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这个网络无比密集以至于 在你每走过一步脚下的菌丝连起来
10:24
under a single footstep.
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可以有几百公里长。
10:26
And not only that, that mycelium connects different individuals in the forest,
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不仅如此,菌丝跟森林中 其它的个体也都有联系,
10:32
individuals not only of the same species but between species, like birch and fir,
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这种联系不仅仅在单一的种类中存在, 在不同种类之间也存在,比如纸皮桦和花旗松。
10:37
and it works kind of like the Internet.
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而且它的工作原理就像是互联网一样。
10:41
You see, like all networks,
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你们看,就像所有的网络一样,
10:43
mycorrhizal networks have nodes and links.
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真菌的网络中也有节点和链接。
10:46
We made this map by examining the short sequences of DNA
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我们在一片花旗松森林中的 所有树和所有真菌中
10:50
of every tree and every fungal individual in a patch of Douglas fir forest.
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提取了它们的DNA短序列 并且制作了这份遗传图。
10:56
In this picture, the circles represent the Douglas fir, or the nodes,
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在这张图片上,圆圈, 也就是那些节点,代表花旗松,
10:59
and the lines represent the interlinking fungal highways, or the links.
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直线,也就是那些链接, 代表着互相连接的真菌干线。
11:05
The biggest, darkest nodes are the busiest nodes.
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那些最大的、颜色最深的节点 就是最繁忙的、连接最多的节点。
11:09
We call those hub trees,
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我们把它们称作中心树,
11:11
or more fondly, mother trees,
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或者更亲切地称之为母树。
11:13
because it turns out that those hub trees nurture their young,
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因为事实证明 这些中心树哺育着它们的小树,
11:18
the ones growing in the understory.
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那些小树都处在林下叶层。
11:21
And if you can see those yellow dots,
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如果你们看见那些黄色的点,
11:23
those are the young seedlings that have established within the network
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那些就表示幼苗, 这些幼苗在这个网络中
11:26
of the old mother trees.
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已经和它们的母树建立了联系。
11:28
In a single forest, a mother tree can be connected to hundreds of other trees.
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在一片森林中,一棵母树可以和 其它几百棵树建立联系。
11:33
And using our isotope tracers,
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通过使用同位素示踪剂进行检测,
11:36
we have found that mother trees
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我们发现那些母树
11:37
will send their excess carbon through the mycorrhizal network
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会把它们多余的碳元素 通过菌根的网络
11:40
to the understory seedlings,
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传给处在林下叶层的幼苗,
11:42
and we've associated this with increased seedling survival
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我们发现这种方式可以让 幼苗的存活率
11:45
by four times.
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增加四倍。
11:47
Now, we know we all favor our own children,
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现在我们都知道, 我们爱自己的孩子,
11:51
and I wondered, could Douglas fir recognize its own kin,
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所以我想,花旗松能认出来自己的孩子吗?
11:55
like mama grizzly and her cub?
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就想灰熊妈妈和她的熊宝宝一样?
11:58
So we set about an experiment,
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因此我们又设计了一个实验,
12:00
and we grew mother trees with kin and stranger's seedlings.
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我们把母树和它们的孩子、 以及一些陌生的幼苗种在一起。
12:04
And it turns out they do recognize their kin.
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事实证明它们认识它们的孩子。
12:07
Mother trees colonize their kin with bigger mycorrhizal networks.
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母树通过更大的菌根网络 来覆盖住自己孩子们所在的区域。
12:12
They send them more carbon below ground.
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在地下,它们给孩子们会送去更多的碳。
12:14
They even reduce their own root competition
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它们甚至会减少它们自己和其它树根部的竞争
12:17
to make elbow room for their kids.
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来为它们的孩子们创造更多的活动空间。
12:20
When mother trees are injured or dying,
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当母树受伤或即将枯死的时候,
12:23
they also send messages of wisdom on to the next generation of seedlings.
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它们还会把智慧信息传给下一代的幼苗。
12:29
So we've used isotope tracing
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我们使用同位素示踪法
12:30
to trace carbon moving from an injured mother tree
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来追踪碳的走向,从一棵受伤的母树
12:33
down her trunk into the mycorrhizal network
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树干的地方一直向下到地下的真菌网络,
12:35
and into her neighboring seedlings,
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再到它周围的幼苗中,
12:38
not only carbon but also defense signals.
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不仅仅是碳元素,还有防卫信号的走向。
12:41
And these two compounds
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这两种混合物
12:43
have increased the resistance of those seedlings to future stresses.
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可以给这些幼苗增加抵抗力 来面对未来的压力。
12:47
So trees talk.
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所以树是会说话的。
12:50
(Applause)
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(掌声)
12:52
Thank you.
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谢谢。
12:57
Through back and forth conversations,
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通过反反复复的对话,
12:59
they increase the resilience of the whole community.
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它们增强了整个团体的恢复力。
13:03
It probably reminds you of our own social communities,
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这可能会使你联想到 我们人类的社会群体,
13:06
and our families,
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和我们的家庭,
13:07
well, at least some families.
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当然,至少有些家庭是这样团结的。
13:09
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
13:11
So let's come back to the initial point.
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那么,让我们回到最初的话题吧。
13:14
Forests aren't simply collections of trees,
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森林不是简简单单的树的“集合”,
13:16
they're complex systems with hubs and networks
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森林是拥有枢纽和网络的复杂系统,
13:20
that overlap and connect trees and allow them to communicate,
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它可以承载树木并且把树连接起来, 使得它们可以互相沟通,
13:24
and they provide avenues for feedbacks and adaptation,
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它给树木提供了互相反馈的渠道 和适应的方式,
13:27
and this makes the forest resilient.
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也使得森林的恢复力变得更强。
13:30
That's because there are many hub trees and many overlapping networks.
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这是因为在森林中存在着许多的中心树 和重重叠叠的网络。
13:34
But they're also vulnerable,
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但森林也还是很脆弱的,
13:36
vulnerable not only to natural disturbances
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之所以脆弱不仅仅是因为 它们会受到自然界的干扰,
13:40
like bark beetles that preferentially attack big old trees
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比如树皮甲虫会时不时地攻击 粗壮的老树,
13:43
but high-grade logging and clear-cut logging.
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而是因为高强度伐木和皆伐的影响。
13:47
You see, you can take out one or two hub trees,
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你们看,我们可以拿走一两颗中心树,
13:50
but there comes a tipping point,
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但这样就会达到森林承受极限了,
13:52
because hub trees are not unlike rivets in an airplane.
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因为森林里的中心树 就像是飞机里的铆钉。
13:55
You can take out one or two and the plane still flies,
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你卸下一两个铆钉的话, 飞机还能飞,
13:59
but you take out one too many,
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但是如果你一次卸下太多,
14:01
or maybe that one holding on the wings,
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或是仅仅卸下固定机翼的那一颗铆钉,
14:03
and the whole system collapses.
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整个系统就要崩溃了。
14:07
So now how are you thinking about forests? Differently?
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那么现在你们对森林的看法是怎样的了? 有些改变了吧?
14:09
(Audience) Yes.
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(观众)是的。
14:11
Cool.
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真棒。
14:13
I'm glad.
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我太高兴了。
14:14
So, remember I said earlier that I hoped that my research,
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你们还记得吧,我之前说过 我希望我的研究,
14:18
my discoveries would change the way we practice forestry.
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我的探索可以改变一些 我们的林业实践的方式。
14:22
Well, I want to take a check on that 30 years later here in western Canada.
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我想在30年后,在西加拿大的这个地方做个检测。
14:34
This is about 100 kilometers to the west of us,
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这里大概是在西边距我们 100公里的地方,
14:37
just on the border of Banff National Park.
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就在班夫国家公园的边上。
14:41
That's a lot of clear-cuts.
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在那里到处都发生着皆伐。
14:43
It's not so pristine.
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现在不是原始社会了。
14:45
In 2014, the World Resources Institute reported that Canada in the past decade
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2014年,据世界资源研究所报道, 加拿大在过去十年中的
14:51
has had the highest forest disturbance rate of any country worldwide,
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森林破坏率已经达到了世界最高, 比任何一个国家都高,
14:55
and I bet you thought it was Brazil.
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我打赌你现在肯定想到了巴西。
14:59
In Canada, it's 3.6 percent per year.
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在加拿大,森林破坏率是每年3.6%。
15:02
Now, by my estimation, that's about four times the rate that is sustainable.
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据我推算,这大概是 可持续发展的砍伐率的四倍了。
15:09
Now, massive disturbance at this scale is known to affect hydrological cycles,
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大规模高强度的砍伐 已经严重影响到了水循环,
15:13
degrade wildlife habitat,
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破坏了野生动物的栖息地,
15:15
and emit greenhouse gases back into the atmosphere,
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而且又向大气中 释放了很多温室气体,
15:18
which creates more disturbance and more tree diebacks.
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这也会使更多的树木枯死, 造成更严重的破坏。
15:23
Not only that, we're continuing to plant one or two species
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不仅如此,我们还在继续种植着 那一两种单一的树木,
15:26
and weed out the aspens and birches.
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还继续着把山杨和桦树清除出去。
15:29
These simplified forests lack complexity,
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这种单一的树木种类使森林缺少了多样性,
15:31
and they're really vulnerable to infections and bugs.
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这让它们在传染病和虫害面前 根本不堪一击。
15:35
And as climate changes,
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随着气候变化,
15:37
this is creating a perfect storm
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这也将会为一些极端事件
15:41
for extreme events, like the massive mountain pine beetle outbreak
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带来一场疯狂的风暴, 比如刚刚席卷整个北美洲的
15:45
that just swept across North America,
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山松甲虫大爆发,
15:47
or that megafire in the last couple months in Alberta.
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还有过去几个月在阿尔伯塔的森林大火。
15:52
So I want to come back to my final question:
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所以现在我想提 我的最后一个问题:
15:56
instead of weakening our forests,
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与破坏我们的森林相反,
15:58
how can we reinforce them and help them deal with climate change?
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我们怎么才能让它们变得更强大, 怎么才能帮助它们应对气候变化呢?
16:03
Well, you know, the great thing about forests as complex systems
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其实你们知道吗,森林作为一个复杂的系统 最好的一点就是
16:07
is they have enormous capacity to self-heal.
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它们拥有相当强大的自愈能力。
16:11
In our recent experiments,
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在我们最近几个实验中,
16:13
we found with patch-cutting and retention of hub trees
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我们发现小规模的砍伐, 把中心树保护好,
16:16
and regeneration to a diversity of species and genes and genotypes
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物种多样性、 基因和基因型多样性的再生,
16:20
that these mycorrhizal networks, they recover really rapidly.
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加上这些真菌网络的存在, 会使森林的恢复速度变得无比迅速。
16:25
So with this in mind, I want to leave you with four simple solutions.
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所以出于这种考虑, 我想提出四个简单的解决方法。
16:30
And we can't kid ourselves that these are too complicated to act on.
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而且我们一定不能自欺欺人, 因为这些做起来其实也挺复杂的。
16:35
First, we all need to get out in the forest.
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首先,我们都得走出家门,走进森林。
16:39
We need to reestablish local involvement in our own forests.
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我们需要重新使当地的居民 融入到我们森林中去。
16:44
You see, most of our forests now
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其实,现在我们的大部分林业实践
16:45
are managed using a one-size-fits-all approach,
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采用的都是一体通用的方法,
16:48
but good forest stewardship requires knowledge of local conditions.
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但是优秀的森林管理员是需要具备 关于当地环境情况的知识的。
16:54
Second, we need to save our old-growth forests.
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第二,我们需要保护好我们的古老森林。
16:59
These are the repositories of genes and mother trees and mycorrhizal networks.
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保护好它们就是保护好了森林的基因库、 保护好了母树和菌根网络。
17:06
So this means less cutting.
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这就意味着我们需要减少砍伐。
17:08
I don't mean no cutting, but less cutting.
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我不是说不伐树了,而是少伐。
17:11
And third, when we do cut,
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第三,当我们伐木时,
17:14
we need to save the legacies,
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我们需要保护森林的“遗产”——
17:17
the mother trees and networks,
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母树和菌根网络,
17:18
and the wood, the genes,
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还有树干和基因,
17:20
so they can pass their wisdom onto the next generation of trees
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这样它们就能把它们的智慧 传给下一代的树木,
17:24
so they can withstand the future stresses coming down the road.
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这样整个森林就能禁得起 未来将会面对的重重困难了。
17:28
We need to be conservationists.
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我们都需要做自然环境保护者。
17:31
And finally, fourthly and finally,
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最后,第四点,也是最后一点,
17:35
we need to regenerate our forests with a diversity of species
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我们需要通过人工种植和自然再生的方式,
17:38
and genotypes and structures
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增加森林的物种多样性、
17:41
by planting and allowing natural regeneration.
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基因型多样性和结构多样性。
17:44
We have to give Mother Nature the tools she needs
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我们需要给大自然母亲 她需要的工具,
17:47
to use her intelligence to self-heal.
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好让她用自己的智慧来进行自愈。
17:51
And we need to remember that forests aren't just a bunch of trees
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我们需要明白, 森林不仅仅是一堆树
17:54
competing with each other,
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在互相竞争,
17:55
they're supercooperators.
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它们是无比优秀的合作者。
17:58
So back to Jigs.
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让我们的话题回到吉格斯。
18:00
Jigs's fall into the outhouse showed me this other world,
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那次吉格斯掉进了坑里的经历 让我见识到了另一个世界,
18:04
and it changed my view of forests.
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而这件事完全改变了我对森林的看法。
18:07
I hope today to have changed how you think about forests.
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我希望今天我也能改变 你们的一些关于森林的印象。
18:10
Thank you.
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谢谢。
18:12
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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