Karen Tse: How to stop torture

Translator: rozana reffit Reviewer: Helena Bedalli

In 1994, I walked into a prison in Cambodia,

Ne vitin 1994, shkova te bej nje vizite ne burgun e Cambodia,

and I met a 12-year-old boy

dhe u takova me nje djale 12-vjecar

who had been tortured

i cili ishte torturuar

and was denied access to counsel.

dhe i ishin hequr te drejtat per mbrojtje ligjore.

And as I looked into his eyes, I realized

Dhe, ndersa une hodha syte tek ai, e kuptova

that for the hundreds of letters I had written

qe per qindra ato letra qe kisha shkruar

for political prisoners, that I would never have

per te burgosurit politik, asnjehere nuk do te kisha

written a letter for him,

patur mundesine te shkruaja nje leter per kete 12-vjecar,

because he was not a 12-year-old boy who

sepse ai ishte jo vetem nje djale 12 vjecar i cili

had done something important for anybody.

nuk kishte bere ndonjehere ndonje faj te rende.

He was not a political prisoner.

Ai nuk ishte i burgosur politik.

He was a 12-year-old boy who had

Ai ishte nje djale 12-vjecar i cili kishte

stolen a bicycle.

vjedhur nje biciklete.

What I also realized at that point was that

Mesa kuptova ne ato momente,

it was not only Cambodia, but

jo vetem Cambodia, por

of the 113

nga 113

developing countries that torture,

vende te zhvilluara qe lejonin torturat,

93 of these countries have all passed laws

93 prej ketyre vendeve kishin vene ligjet ne veprim

that say you have a right to a lawyer

qe cdo njeri ka te drejten per avokat mbrojtes

and you have a right not to be tortured.

per tu mbrojtur nga torturat.

And what I recognized was that there was an

Dhe, me sa dallova une, gjendeshe nje

incredible window of opportunity for us

dritare me mundesi te medha per ne

as a world community to come together

duke qendruar si komunitetin boterror, te mblidhemi se bashku

and end torture as an investigative tool.

dhe ti japim fund torturave si mjet investigues.

We often think of torture as being

Ne zakonisht paramendojme torturen sikur eshte

political torture or reserved for

nje torture politike, ose e rezervuar per

just the worst, but, in fact,

qenie me e keqe, por faktikisht,

95 percent of torture today

95 perqind e torturave sot

is not for political prisoners.

nuk jane burgosje politike.

It is for people who are

Ato jane per njerez te cilet jane

in broken-down legal systems,

ne nje sistem politik, jo funksionar.

and unfortunately because torture is

dhe fatkeqsisht, sepse tortura esht

the cheapest form of investigation --

forma me e pakushtushme investigore--

it's cheaper than having a legal system,

eshte dhe me e pakushtushme se duke patur nje sistem politik.

cheaper than having a lawyer

me e lire sesa te marrish nje avokat mbrojtes

and early access to counsel --

ne fazat e para te ceshtjesh per tu konsultuar--

it is what happens most of the time.

eshte pra cfare ndodh shumicen e rasteve.

I believe today that it is possible for us

Une jam e vendosur qe ne ditet e sotme eshte mese e mundshme per ne

as a world community, if we make a decision,

si nje komunitet boterror, qe ne qofte se marrem nje vendim,

to come together and end torture

te mblidhemi se bashku dhe ti japim fund tortures

as an investigative tool in our lifetime,

duke u perdorur si mjet investigor gjate kohes te jetes tone.

but it will require three things.

por na duhen tre gjera kryesore.

First is the training, empowerment,

Se pari, eshte trenjimi, fuqizimi,

and connection of defenders worldwide.

dhe mardheniet e avokateve ligjore ne te gjithe boten.

The second is insuring that there is

Se dyti te sigurohemi qe eshte

systematic early access to counsel.

dhe te jepet e drejta per konsultim ligjor qe ne fazat e para.

And the third is commitment.

Dhe se treti eshte dedikimi.

So in the year 2000,

Keshtu qe ne vitin 2000,

I began to wonder,

Une fillova te pyesja veten,

what if we came together?

po sikur ne te mblidhemi se bashku?

Could we do something

A mund te bejme dicka?

for these 93 countries?

per keto 93 vende?

And I founded International Bridges to Justice

Keshtu qe themelova Ura Internacionale per Drejtesi

which has a specific mission of

te cilat kishin nje ceshtje kryesore dhe specifike

ending torture as an investigative tool

ti jepnin fund tortures qe perdorej si mjet investigor

and implementing due process rights

dhe te fillonin te hidhnin hapat e para per nje proces per te drejtata

in the 93 countries by placing trained lawyers

ne te gjitha keto 93 vende duke vendosur avokate ligjore te trenjuar

at an early stage in police stations

ne fazat fillestare ne departamentet e policise

and in courtrooms.

dhe ne seancat e ceshtjeve te gjykates.

My first experiences, though, did come

Punimet e mia te para, edhe pse, linden

from Cambodia, and at the time I remember

nga Cambodia, dhe po ne ate kohe me kujtohet

first coming to Cambodia and there were,

kur arrita ne Cambodia dhe ishin

in 1994, still less than

ne vitete 1994, akoma me pak se

10 attorneys in the country because

10 gjykatse gjithsej ne vend sepse

the Khmer Rouge had killed them all.

Khmer Rouge i kishte zhdukur te gjithe.

And even 20 years later, there was only

Edhe pas 20 vjeteve me vone, gjendeshe vetem

10 lawyers in the country, so consequently

10 avokate mbrojtes ne te gjithe vendin, si rrjedhoje

you'd walk into a prison and

ne qoftese do te planifikoje te te beje nje takim ne burg dhe

not only would you meet 12-year-old boys,

jo vetem qe do te takoje djale 12-vjecar,

you'd meet women and you'd say,

po gjithashtu do te takoje dhe gra te cilate theshin,

"Why are you here?" Women would say,

ne jemi ketu sepse

"Well I've been here for 10 years because

jemi burgosur per 10 vjete per

my husband committed a crime, but they can't find him."

arsye te burit tim i cili veproi jashte ligjit dhe me pas u zhduk.

So it's just a place where there was no rule of law.

Pra eshte nje vend ku nuk ka rregulla ligjore.

The first group of defenders came together

Grupi i pare i avokateve te mbrojtjes u mblodh se bashku

and I still remember, as I was training, I said,

dhe akoma me kujtohet, gjate trenjimit, une u ngrita dhe thashe

"Okay, what do you do for an investigation?"

"Pra, cfare beni you gjate nje investigimi?"

And there was silence in the class, and finally

Dhe, qetesia rra ne klase, dhe perfundimisht

one woman stood up, [inaudible name],

nje grua u ngrit ne kembe(pa emer),

and she said "Khrew," which means "teacher."

dhe tha"Khrew," e cila do te thote"mesuese."

She said, "I have defended more than

Ajo shtoi," Une kam mbrojtur me shume se

a hundred people, and I've never had to do

njeqind njerrez, dhe asnjehere nuk mu nevojit

any investigation,

te beja investigime,

because they all come with confessions."

sepse te gjithe keta njerrez vijne me fakte deshmuese."

And we talked about, as a class, the fact that

Por ne biseduam, si klase, faktin qe

number one, the confessions

se pari, ngjarjet deshmuese

might not be reliable, but number two,

nuk mund te ishin te gjitha te verteta, por, dhe se dyti,

we did not want to encourage the police

ne nuk do ti japim me shume kurajo policise rregullore

to keep doing this, especially

te vazhdoje te beje te njejtat veprime, vecanerisht

as it was now against the law.

tani qe eshe jashti ligjit.

And it took a lot of courage for these

Dhe, ne na duhej shume kurajo per keto

defenders to decide that they would

avokate te mbrojtjes te vendsonin qe

begin to stand up and support each other

ata do te fillonin te ngiheshin se bashku dhe te ndihmonin

in implementing these laws.

per te filluar zbatimin e ketyre ligjeve.

And I still remember the first cases where

Dhe, Akoma me kujtohet ceshtjet e para ligjore, ku

they came, all 25 together, she would

te gjithe ata,25 veta, se bashku errdhen,

stand up, and they were in the back, and

dhe qendruan mbrapa te denuarit,

they would support her, and the judges kept

per te perkrahur ate dhe gjykatsi vazhdoi te dheshte,

saying, "No, no, no, no, we're going to do things

"Jo,jo,jo,jo, ne nuk do te vazhdojme te bejme

the exact same way we've been doing them."

te njejtat gjerra ashtu si kemi vepruar me pare."

But one day the perfect case came, and it

Por, nje dite ceshtja ligjore dhe me specifike me rra ne doren time, dhe

was a woman who was a vegetable seller,

ishte nje grua e cila ishte shitse frutash,

she was sitting outside of a house.

dhe ishte ulur jashte nje shtepie.

She said she actually saw the person

Ajo deshmoi qe e pa personin qe

run out who she thinks stole

qe vrapoi dhe qe vodhi te gjitha ato

whatever the jewelry was, but the police

ato varse dhe gjerrdhane, por policia

came, they got her, there was nothing on her.

Por ne vend, me moren mua dhe une nuk kisha anje gje.

She was pregnant at the time. She had

Ajo ishte shtatezane ne ate kohe. Ajo

cigarette burns on her. She'd miscarried.

kishte te djegurra cigarresh ne trupin e saj. Pak me vone e deshtoi femijen.

And when they brought her case

Dhe kurr i errdhi rradha per ne gjyq

to the judge, for the first time he stood up

tek gjykatsi, per here te pare ai u ngrit ne kembe

and he said, "Yes, there's no evidence

dhe tha,"Po, eshte mese e sigurte qe nuk ka evidenca

except for your torture confession

pervecse torturave qe ne po shikojme

and you will be released."

dhe ti mund te shkosh, je e lire."

And the defenders began to take cases

Dhe, pas asaj ceshtje, avokatet filluan te merreshin, me ceshtje

over and over again and

dhe me shume ceshtje

you will see, they have step by step began

dhe sic e shikoni, ata filluan me hapa njerra pas tjetres

to change the course of history in Cambodia.

te ndryshonin historine kombetare te Cambodias.

But Cambodia is not alone.

Megjithate, Cambodia nuk eshte vetem.

I used to think, well is it Cambodia?

Nje here e nje kohe, mendoja qe, "A eshte Cambodia?

Or is it other countries?

Apo jane vendet e tjerra?

But it is in so many countries.

Po me sinqeritet them qe kjo situate gjendet dhe ne me shume vende te tjerra.

In Burundi I walked into a prison and it wasn't

Ne Burundi, Shkova tek nje burg dhe

a 12-year-old boy, it was an 8-year-old boy

nuk pashe nje djale 12-vjecar, por ishte nje djale 8-vjecar

for stealing a mobile phone.

i cili kishte marre pa leje nje celular.

Or a woman, I picked up her baby,

Apo nje grua, te cilen e pashe me nje femije te vogel,

really cute baby, I said "Your baby is so cute."

shume femije te bukur, dhe i thashe," femija juaj eshte shume i bukur."

It wasn't a baby, she was three.

Faktikisht ai femija ishte vetem 3 vjet.

And she said "Yeah, but she's why I'm here,"

Dhe gruaja shtoi," Po, per arsyen e kesaj femije jam ketu,"

because she was accused of stealing

sepse ajo ishte akuzuar per vjedhjen e

two diapers and an iron for her baby and

dy bebelinave dhe nje hekur hekurosje

still had been in prison.

dhe e kishin futur ne burg.

And when I walked up to the prison director,

Dhe, kur ju afrova drejtorit te burgut,

I said, "You've got to let her out.

I thashe, "Duhet te lirosh kete grua,

A judge would let her out."

Nje gjyqtar do ta lironte."

And he said, "Okay, we can talk about it,

Dhe ai tha, " Mire, do te bisedojme rreth kesaj,

but look at my prison. Eighty percent

po pa hidh syte ne kete burg. Tetedhjete perqind

of the two thousand people here

prej dy mije te burgosurve ketu

are without a lawyer. What can we do?"

nuk kane avokat. Si mund te veprojme?

So lawyers began to courageously

Keshtu, qe avokatet filluan me kurajo te madhe

stand up together to organize a system

te mbidheshin se bashku dhe organizuan nje sistem

where they can take cases.

ku mund te merrnin ceshtje njera pas tjetres.

But we realized that it's not only the training

Por, ne kuptuam qe nuk ishte vetem trajnimi

of the lawyers, but the connection

i avokateve, por maredheniet

of the lawyers that makes a difference.

e avokateve me njeri-tjetrin bejne ndryshim te madh.

For example, in Cambodia, it was that

Per shembull, ne Cambodia, ndodhi qe

[inaudible name] did not go alone

( emer i paqarte) nuk u paraqit vetem

but she had 24 lawyers with her

por ajo kishte 24 avokate me vete

who stood up together. And in the same way,

te cilet punuan se bashku. Dhe po ne te njejten menyre,

in China, they always tell me,

ne Kine, mesa me thone,

"It's like a fresh wind in the desert

" Eshte si era ne shkretetire

when we can come together."

kur mblidhesh se bashku per te ndryshuar dicka."

Or in Zimbabwe, where I remember Innocent,

Apo ne Zimbabwe, mesa me kujtohet I pafajshmi,

after coming out of a prison where everybody

pasi dilte nga burgu

stood up and said, "I've been here

te gjithe mblidheshin se bashku dhe therrisnin, "Une kam qene ketu

for one year, eight years, 12 years

per nje vit,tete vjet, 12 vjet

without a lawyer,"

pa avokat mbrojtes,"

he came and we had a training together

ai erdhi dhe ne patem nje trajnim se bashku

and he said, "I have heard it said" --

dhe ai tha,"Kam degjuar qe"--

because he had heard people mumbling

sepse kish degjuar njerezit duke mermeritur

and grumbling -- "I have heard it said that

--" Kam degjuar

we cannot help to create justice

se nuk mund te vazhdojme te krijojme drejtesi

because we do not have the resources."

sepse nuk kemi burimet e duhura."

And then he said, "But I want you to know

Dhe me pas ai tha, " Por dua qe te jesh ne dijeni

that the lack of resources

qe mungesa e burimeve ndihmese

is never an excuse for injustice."

nuk mund te jete asnjehere justifikim per padrejtesi."

And with that, he successfully

Dhe me ate fjale, ai me plot sukses

organized 68 lawyers who have been

organizoi se bashku 68 avokate te cilet kane

systematically taking the cases.

marre klasa sistematikisht

The key that we see, though, is training

Pika kryesrore qe ne shikojme ketu, eshte trajnimi

and then early access.

dhe dhenia e te drejtes per konsultim ligjor dhe mbrojtes.

I was recently in Egypt, and was inspired

Kohet e fundit bera visite ne Egjipt, dhe u frymezova mjaft

to meet with another group of lawyers,

nga takimi me nje tjeter grup avokatesh,

and what they told me is that they said,

te cilet me treguan qe

"Hey, look, we don't have police

" Shiko, ne nuk kemi policine

on the streets now. The police are

neper rruge me. Policia eshte

one of the main reasons why we had

dhe ishte nje nga arsyet krysore qe ne

the revolution. They were torturing everybody

patem revolucion. Ata po torturonin te gjithe

all the time."

ne cdo lloj rasti."

And I said, "But there's been tens of millions

Dhe me pas ai tha, "Kane qene me dhjetra milione

of dollars that have recently gone in

dollare te cilat kane shkuar

to the development of the legal system here.

per zhvillimin e nje sistemi me te mire ligjor.

What's going on?"

"Cpo behet?"

I met with one of the development agencies,

U takova me nje nga agjensite e zhvillimit,

and they were training prosecutors

dhe ata po trajnonin prokuroret

and judges, which is the normal bias,

dhe gjykatesit, qe normalisht jane ne nje ane

as opposed to defenders.

kundrejt avokateteve mbrojtes.

And they showed me a manual which

Ata me treguan nje manual

actually was an excellent manual.

me qe ra fjala, absolutisht shume i mire.

I said, "I'm gonna copy this."

Thashe, " Dua ta kopjoj kete"

It had everything in it. Lawyers can come

sepse gjendeshin te gjitha cfare duheshin. Avokatet mund te vine

at the police station. It was perfect.

ne stacionin e policise. Ishte gje e perkryer.

Prosecutors were perfectly trained.

Prokuroret ishin absolutisht mjaft te trajnuar.

But I said to them, "I just have one question,

Megjithate bera nje pyetje,"

which is, by the time that everybody got to

derisa njerezit arrinin ne

the prosecutor's office, what had happened to them?"

zyren e prokurorit, cfare i kishte ndodhur atyre?"

And after a pause, they said,

Dhe pas nje qetesije te vogel, ata thane,

"They had been tortured."

" Ata jane te gjithe te torturuar."

So the pieces are,

Keshtu per ta permbledhur,

not only the training of the lawyers, but

jo vetem trajnimi i avokateve, por

us finding a way to systematically implement

gjetem nje rruge te vepronim sistematikisht

early access to counsel, because they are

per tju dhene mundesine per konsultim mbrojtes ligjor te hershem,

the safeguard in the system

sepse ata jane drejtuset sigurues te ketij sistemi

for people who are being tortured.

per te gjithe ata njerez qe jane torturuar.

And as I tell you this, I'm also aware of the

Dhe ndera une po ju tregoj, jam mese e bindur

fact that it sounds like, "Oh, okay, it sounds

qe do te thuhet, " Ehh, mire, duket

like we could do it, but can we really do it?"

si lehte qe ne mund te bejme dicka, por a eshte e vertet a po jo, a mundemi ne?"

Because it sounds big.

Sepse duket si rruge shume e veshtire.

And there are many reasons why I believe it's possible.

Une me pa tjeter jam a bindur dhe kam shume arsye qe mund te realizohet.

The first reason is the people on the ground

Arsyeja e pare eshte mbledhja e njerzve

who find ways of creating miracles

te cilet gjejne menyra nga me te ndryshmet per te krijuar mrekullira

because of their commitment.

me dedikimin e tyre.

It's not only Innocent, who I told you about

Nuke eshte vetem pafajsija, per te cilen you tregova

in Zimbabwe, but defenders all over the world

ne Zimbabwe, por dhe avokatet mbrojtes ne te gjithe boten

who are looking for these pieces.

te cilet kerkojne te merren me ceshtje te tilla.

We have a program called JusticeMakers,

Ne kemi krijuar nje program i cili quhet," DrejtesiVenes,

and we realized there are people that are

dhe ne e kuptuam qe ne kete bote ka njerez te tille

courageous and want to do things, but

qe jane me shume kurajo te madhe dhe duan te bejne gjera, por

how can we support them?

si mund ti perkrahim ne ata?

So it's an online contest where it's only

Me qe ra fjala, eshte nje konkurs ne internet

five thousand dollars if you come up with

vetem pese mije dollare ne qofte se krijon

and innovative way of implementing justice.

nje novacion ne vendosjen e drejtesise.

And there are 30 JusticeMakers

The gjenden 30 DrejtesiVenes

throughout the world, from Sri Lanka

ne te gjithe boten, qe nga Sri Lanka

to Swaziland to the DRC, who with

deri ne Swaziland, dhe akoma me tej ne DRC, te cilet

five thousand dollars do amazing things,

me pese mije dollare bejne gjera te mrekullueshme,

through SMS programs,

nepermjet programeve SMS,

through paralegal programs,

dhe nepermjet programeve parajuridike,

through whatever they can do.

dhe cdo gje qe mund te bejne.

And it's not only these JusticeMakers,

Dhe nuk jane vetem keta Avokate te drejtesise,

but people we courageously see

por dhe njerez te tjere kurajoze qe shikojne

figure out who their networks are

te zgjidhin nepermjet mardhenieve te tyre

and how they can move it forward.

dhe te ecin gjithmone perpara.

So in China, for instance, great laws

Keshtu pra, ne Kine, per shembull, ligje te medha

came out where it says police cannot

hyne ne fuqi sipas te cilave policia e ka te ndaluar

torture people or they will be punished.

te torturoje njerzit denohet per kete.

And I was sitting side by side with one of our

Isha ulur ne krah me nje nga

very courageous lawyers, and said,

avokatet me kurajoze i cili tha,

"How can we get this out? How can we

"Si mund te dalim prej kesaj situate? Si mund

make sure that this is implemented?

te bejme te mundur qe ky lloj ligji te hyje ne fuqi?

This is fantastic." And he said to me,

Sepse kjo eshte fantastike. " Dhe me pas ai tha,

"Well, do you have money?" And I said,

" Ah, a ke para?" Dhe me pas vazhdoi,

"No." And he said, "That's okay,

"Jo." U pergjigj, " Nuk ka gje,

we can still figure it out."

sepse ne perseri do te gjejme nje rrugezgjidhje."

And on December 4, he organized

Dhe ne daten 4 Dhjetor, ai organizoi

three thousand members

tre mije anetare

of the Youth Communist League,

te rinise Komuniste,

from 14 of the top law schools,

nga 14 shkollat juridike me te mira,

who organized themselves, developed

te cilet u mblodhen se bashku, dhe zhvilluan

posters with the new laws, and went

pankarta me ligjet e reja, dhe shkuan

to the police stations and began what he says

ne departamentet e policise dhe filluan, ate qe ai e quan,

is a non-violent legal revolution

nje revolucion legal jo me force

to protect citizen rights.

per te mbrojtur te drejtat e qytetareve.

So I talked about the fact that we need

Fillova te bisedoja qe ne kishim nevoje

to train and support defenders.

per te trajnuar dhe perkrahur avokatet mbrojtes.

We need to systematically implement

Ne duhet te veprojme sistematikisht

early access to counsel.

per te drejten per konsultim ligjor te hershem.

But the third and most important thing is that

Por, e treta, dhe me e rendesishmja nga te gjitha eshte

we make a commitment to this.

dedikimi qe do te bejme ne rreth kesaj gjeje.

And people often say to me, "You know,

Dhe njerzit zakonisht me thone, " A e di ti qe,

this is great, but it's wildly idealistic.

kjo eshte gje shume e mire, por eshte absolutisht ideale.

Never going to happen."

Asnjehere nuk mund te realizohet."

And the reason that I think that

Dhe arsyeja pse e mendoj qe

those words are interesting is because

keto fjale jane interesante eshte sepse

those were the same kinds of words

jane po te njejtat fjale

that were used for people who decided

qe ishin perdorur per njerzit te cilen vendosen

they would end slavery, or end apartheid.

qe do ti jepnin fund skllaverise, ose apartedit.

It began with a small group of people

Filloi me grupe shume te vogla

who decided they would commit.

qe vendosen te dedikoheshin .

Now, there's one of our favorite poems

Tani, kjo nje nga poezite e preferuara

from the defenders, which they share

nga avokatet mbrojtes, qe e ndajne

from each other, is:

midis tyre :

"Take courage friends, the road is often long,

" Kurajo, shoke, rruga eshte gjithmone e gjate,

the path is never clear,

rruga s'eshte kurre e qarte,

and the stakes are very high,

dhe pengesat jane shume te larta,

but deep down, you are not alone."

por ne fund, nuk jeni vetem."

And I believe that if we can come together

Dhe une mendoj qe ne mund te organizohemi

as a world community to support not only

si nje komunitet boteror te perkrahim jo vetem

defenders, but also everyone in the system

avokatet mbrojetes, por te gjithe te tjeret brenda ketij sistemi

who is looking towards it,

te cilet perkrahin ate,

we can end torture as an investigative tool.

per ti dhene fund torturave si mjet investigues.

I end always, because I'm sure the questions are --

Gjithmone i jap fund, sepse jam e sigurt pyetjet jane-

and I'd be happy to talk to you

dhe jam shume e lumtur te flas me ju

at any point -- "But what can I really do?"

ne cdo pike --" Po cfare mund te bej une?"

Well, I would say this. First of all,

Atehere, do te pergjigjesha keshtu. Mbi te gjitha,

you know what you can do. But second of all,

you e dini se cfare mund te beni. Por e dyta eshte,

I would leave you with the story of Vishna,

do tju tregoj historine e Vishnes,

who actually was my inspiration

e cila me dha nje frymezim te madh

for starting International Bridges to Justice.

per te filluar kete Ure te Drejtesise Internacionale.

Vishna was a 4-year-old boy when I met him

Vishna ishte nje djale 4-vjecar, kur e takova

who was born in a Cambodian prison

dhe ai ishte lindur ne burgun e Cambodies

in Kandal Province. But because he was

ne Provincen e Kandalit. Por ngaqe kishte

born in the prison, everybody loved him,

lindur ne burg, te gjithe njerezit e donin ate,

including the guards, so he was the only one

duke perfshire dhe rojet e burgut, ai ishte i vetmi njeri

who was allowed to come

i cili ishte i lejuar te vinte

in and out of the bars.

brenda dhe jashte hekurave te burgut.

So, you know, there's bars. And by the time

Pra, e dini, ka hekura. Po ne ate kohe,

that Vishna was getting bigger,

kur Vishna po rritej me shume,

which means what gets bigger? Your head gets bigger.

cfare po rritej me te? Koka po i behej me e madhe.

So he would come to the first bar,

Keshtu, ai kalonte hekurat e para,

the second bar and then the third bar,

dhe pastaj te dytat, hekurat e treta,

and then really slowly move his head

dhe astaj shume ngadale zhvendos koken

so he could fit through, and come back,

qe te mund ta nxinte dhe dilte

third, second, first. And he would

te tretat, te dytat, te parat.

grab my pinkie, because what he wanted

Ai me kapte gishten e vogel, sepse ai donte

to do every day is he wanted to go visit.

qe ti bente keto vizita cdo dite.

You know, he never quite made it to

You e dini, ai jo gjithmone arrinte

all of them every day, but he wanted to visit

ti bente cdo dite, por ai donte ti vizitonte

all 156 prisoners. And I would lift him,

te gjithe 156 te burgosurit. Une do ta ngrija ate,

and he would put his fingers through.

dhe ai do te kalonte gishtat e tij permes hekurave.

Or if they were dark cells, it was like iron

Dhe nese qelite ishin te errta, me llamarine

corrugated, and he would put his fingers through.

te valezuar, ai do te kalonte gishtat ne mes tyre.

And most of the prisoners said that he was

Shumica e te burgosurve thonin qe ai ishte

their greatest joy and their sunshine, and they

gezimi i tyre me i madh, drita e diellit,

looked forward to him. And I was like,

dhe me zor e prisnin ate. Dhe une u thosha,

here's Vishna. He's a 4-year-old boy.

ja ku eshte Vishna. Ai eshte nje djale 4 vjec.

He was born in a prison with almost nothing,

Ai ka lindur ne burg dhe s'ka asgje,

no material goods, but he had a sense of

pa te mira materiale, por ama ai ka nje ndjenje te forte

his own heroic journey, which I believe

ne udhetimin e tij heroik, qe besoj

we are all born into. He said,

te gjithe kemi lindur me ate lloj besimi. Ai tha,

"Probably I can't do everything.

" Une, ndoshta nuk mund te bej gjithcka.

But I'm one. I can do something.

Por jam nje. Une mund te bej dicka.

And I will do the one thing that I can do."

Dhe do te bej ate gje qe mund te bej."

So I thank you for having the prophetic

Keshtu qe ju falenderoj qe keni

imagination to imagine the shaping

imagjinaten profetike per te formuar

of a new world with us together,

nje bote te re duke na perfshire dhe ne se bashku,

and invite you into this journey with us.

dhe ju ftoj ne kete udhetim me ne.

Thank you.

Faleminerit.

(Applause)

(Duartokritje)

Thank you.

Faleminderit.

(Applause)

Duartokritje

Thank you.

Faleminderit.

(Applause)

Duartokritje