Karen Tse: How to stop torture

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Jeong-Lan Kinser ๊ฒ€ํ† : Jungsoo Kim
00:16
In 1994, I walked into a prison in Cambodia,
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1994๋…„์—, ์ €๋Š” ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์— ๊ฑธ์–ด ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”๊ณ ,
00:20
and I met a 12-year-old boy
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๊ณ ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹นํ•ด์™”์—ˆ๊ณ 
00:23
who had been tortured
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ ‘๊ทผ์ด ๊ฑฐ๋ถ€๋‹นํ•œ
00:25
and was denied access to counsel.
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12์‚ด ๋จน์€ ์†Œ๋…„์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:27
And as I looked into his eyes, I realized
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ์˜ ๋ˆˆ์„ ๋“ค์—ฌ๋‹ค๋ณด์•˜์„ ๋•Œ, ์ €๋Š”
00:29
that for the hundreds of letters I had written
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์ •์น˜์  ์ฃ„์ˆ˜๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ ์€ ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ ํ†ต์˜ ํŽธ์ง€์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด
00:31
for political prisoners, that I would never have
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ๋‹จ ํ•œ ์žฅ์˜ ํŽธ์ง€๋„
00:34
written a letter for him,
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์“ฐ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
00:36
because he was not a 12-year-old boy who
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•œ
00:38
had done something important for anybody.
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12์‚ด ๋จน์€ ์†Œ๋…„์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:40
He was not a political prisoner.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ •์น˜์ ์ธ ์ฃ„์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:42
He was a 12-year-old boy who had
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์ „๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ํ›”์นœ
00:44
stolen a bicycle.
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12์‚ด ๋จน์€ ์†Œ๋…„์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:46
What I also realized at that point was that
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๊ทธ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋˜ํ•œ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์€๊ฒƒ์€
00:48
it was not only Cambodia, but
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๋‹จ์ง€ ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„ ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ,
00:50
of the 113
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113๊ฐœ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค ์ค‘
00:52
developing countries that torture,
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93๊ฐœ์˜ ์ด ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์ด ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ์™€
00:54
93 of these countries have all passed laws
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๊ณ ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹นํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ
00:57
that say you have a right to a lawyer
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๊ฐ€์ง„๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•˜๋Š”
00:59
and you have a right not to be tortured.
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๋ฒ•๋ฅ ์„ ํ†ต๊ณผ์‹œ์ผฐ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:02
And what I recognized was that there was an
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ธ์ง€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
01:04
incredible window of opportunity for us
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๊ฐ€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•˜๊ณ 
01:06
as a world community to come together
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์กฐ์‚ฌ์˜ ๋„๊ตฌ๋กœ์„œ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์„ ์ข…๊ฒฐ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ์„œ
01:09
and end torture as an investigative tool.
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๊ต‰์žฅํ•œ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:12
We often think of torture as being
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ข…์ข… ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์„
01:14
political torture or reserved for
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์ •์น˜์ ์ธ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ์„œ ๋˜๋Š”
01:16
just the worst, but, in fact,
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ํ‰์•… ๋ฒ”์ฃ„ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ,
01:19
95 percent of torture today
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์‹ค์ƒ, ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  95ํผ์„ผํŠธ์˜ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์€
01:21
is not for political prisoners.
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์ •์น˜์  ์ฃ„์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:23
It is for people who are
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ
01:25
in broken-down legal systems,
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๋ง๊ฐ€์ง„ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ  ์กฐ์ง์—์„œ
01:27
and unfortunately because torture is
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ถˆํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ๋„ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์ด
01:29
the cheapest form of investigation --
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์กฐ์‚ฌ์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ €๋ ดํ•œ ํ˜•ํƒœ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—--
01:31
it's cheaper than having a legal system,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ  ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š”๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ €๋ ดํ•˜๊ณ ,
01:33
cheaper than having a lawyer
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ €๋ ดํ•˜๊ณ 
01:35
and early access to counsel --
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ์—๊ฒŒ์˜ ์ด๋ฅธ ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ณด๋‹ค ์ €๋ ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค--
01:37
it is what happens most of the time.
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์ง€์š”
01:39
I believe today that it is possible for us
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ˜„์žฌ ๋ฏฟ๋Š”๊ฒƒ์€ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๋กœ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€,
01:41
as a world community, if we make a decision,
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ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์—ฐํ•ฉํ•˜์—ฌ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์ผ์ƒ์—์„œ
01:44
to come together and end torture
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์กฐ์‚ฌ ๊ธฐ๊ตฌ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์„ ์ข…๊ฒฐ์‹œํ‚ค๋„๋ก
01:46
as an investigative tool in our lifetime,
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๋งŒ์ผ ๊ฒฐ์ •์„ ๋‚ด๋ฆฌ๋Š”๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:49
but it will require three things.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์„ธ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:51
First is the training, empowerment,
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์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๊ต์œก, ๊ถŒํ•œ์ด์–‘,
01:54
and connection of defenders worldwide.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„์ ์ธ ์˜นํ˜ธ์ž๋“ค์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
01:57
The second is insuring that there is
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๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ์—๊ฒŒ์˜
02:00
systematic early access to counsel.
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์กฐ์ง์ ์ธ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ์ ‘๊ทผ์ด ์กด์žฌํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์ฆํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:03
And the third is commitment.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์ „๋…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:06
So in the year 2000,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 2000๋…„์—
02:08
I began to wonder,
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์ €๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
02:11
what if we came together?
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๋งŒ์ผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—ฐํ•ฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด?
02:14
Could we do something
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์ด 93๊ฐœ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•ด
02:16
for these 93 countries?
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ?
02:18
And I founded International Bridges to Justice
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์กฐ์‚ฌ ๊ธฐ๊ตฌ๋กœ์„œ์˜
02:20
which has a specific mission of
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๊ณ ๋ฌธ์„ ์ข…๊ฒฐ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ 
02:22
ending torture as an investigative tool
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93๊ฐœ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋“ค์—
02:25
and implementing due process rights
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๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์„œ์—์„œ์™€ ๋ฒ•์ •์˜
02:27
in the 93 countries by placing trained lawyers
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์ดˆ๊ธฐ๋‹จ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›์€ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์„
02:30
at an early stage in police stations
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๋ฐฐ์น˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ์˜ํ•ด ์ •๋‹นํ•œ ๋ฒ•์ ˆ์ฐจ๋ฅผ ์ ์šฉํ•˜๋Š”
02:32
and in courtrooms.
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ํŠน์ •ํ•œ ์ž„๋ฌด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ์ •์˜๊ตฌํ˜„ ๋‹จ์ฒด<IBJ>๋ฅผ ์กฐ์งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:34
My first experiences, though, did come
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋งŒ, ์ €์˜ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์€
02:36
from Cambodia, and at the time I remember
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์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์—์„œ ์™”๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹œ ์ œ๊ฐ€
02:39
first coming to Cambodia and there were,
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์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์— ์ฒ˜์Œ ์˜ค๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๋ฉด,
02:41
in 1994, still less than
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1994๋…„์—๋Š”, ํฌ๋จธ ๋ฃจ์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ฃฝ์˜€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
02:43
10 attorneys in the country because
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๊ทธ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ
02:45
the Khmer Rouge had killed them all.
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10๋ช… ์ดํ•˜์˜ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ๋งŒ ์กด์žฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
02:47
And even 20 years later, there was only
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์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด 20๋…„ ์ดํ›„์—๋„,
02:49
10 lawyers in the country, so consequently
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๊ทธ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—๋Š” 10๋ช…์˜ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ๋ฐ–์— ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
02:51
you'd walk into a prison and
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๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋ฉด
02:53
not only would you meet 12-year-old boys,
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12์‚ด๋ฐ•์ด ์†Œ๋…„๋“ค๋งŒ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
02:55
you'd meet women and you'd say,
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์—ฌ์ธ๋“ค๋„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ณ ๋Š” ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
02:57
"Why are you here?" Women would say,
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"์™œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ฃ ?" ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ฉด ์—ฌ์ธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ,
02:59
"Well I've been here for 10 years because
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"๊ธ€์Ž„์š” ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ณณ์— 10๋…„๋™์•ˆ ์ง€๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:01
my husband committed a crime, but they can't find him."
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ œ ๋‚จํŽธ์ด ๋ฒ”์ฃ„๋ฅผ ์ €์งˆ๋ €๋Š”๋ฐ, ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์„œ์ฃ ."
03:03
So it's just a place where there was no rule of law.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ  ๋ฒ•์น™์ด ์—†๋Š” ์žฅ์†Œ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:06
The first group of defenders came together
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์˜ ์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๊ทธ๋ฃน์ด ์—ฐํ•ฉํ–ˆ๊ณ 
03:08
and I still remember, as I was training, I said,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ต์œก์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์„๋•Œ๋ฅผ ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ,
03:10
"Okay, what do you do for an investigation?"
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"์˜ค์ผ€์ด, ์กฐ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ์œ„ํ•ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜์‹œ๋‚˜์š”?"
03:12
And there was silence in the class, and finally
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๊ทธ ํ•™๊ธ‰์— ์นจ๋ฌต์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ , ๋งˆ์นจ๋‚ด,
03:14
one woman stood up, [inaudible name],
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ํ•œ ์—ฌ์ธ์ด ์ผ์–ด์„ฐ๊ณ , [๋“ฃ๊ธฐํž˜๋“  ์ด๋ฆ„],
03:16
and she said "Khrew," which means "teacher."
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ "์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜"์„ ๋œปํ•˜๋Š” "ํฌ๋ฅ˜"ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:19
She said, "I have defended more than
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "์ €๋Š” ๋ฐฑ๋ช…์ด์ƒ์„ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธํ–ˆ๊ณ 
03:22
a hundred people, and I've never had to do
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์–ด๋–ค ์กฐ์‚ฌ๋„ ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ํ• 
03:25
any investigation,
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ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:27
because they all come with confessions."
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๊ณ ๋ฐฑํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"
03:29
And we talked about, as a class, the fact that
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•™๊ธ‰ ์ „์ฒด๋กœ,
03:32
number one, the confessions
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์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ๋Š”, ๊ณ ๋ฐฑ์ด ์˜์กดํ•  ๋งŒํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด
03:34
might not be reliable, but number two,
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์•„๋‹์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ๋Š”,
03:36
we did not want to encourage the police
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๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์ด ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ณ„์† ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„, ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ
03:38
to keep doing this, especially
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ด์ œ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ ์— ์œ„๋ฐฐ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
03:40
as it was now against the law.
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์žฅ๋ คํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:42
And it took a lot of courage for these
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์ด
03:44
defenders to decide that they would
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์ด ๋ฒ•๋ฅ ์„ ์ ์šฉ์‹œํ‚ค๋Š”๋ฐ
03:46
begin to stand up and support each other
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์„œ๋กœ ์ผ์–ด์„œ์„œ ์ง€์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„
03:48
in implementing these laws.
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๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ์šฉ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ์ˆ˜๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:51
And I still remember the first cases where
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์•„์ง๋„ ์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋“ค์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
03:53
they came, all 25 together, she would
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25๋ช…์ด ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ „๋ถ€ ์™”๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€
03:55
stand up, and they were in the back, and
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์ผ์–ด์„ฐ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋’ค์— ์žˆ์–ด์„œ,
03:57
they would support her, and the judges kept
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ์ง€์›ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ ํŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ,
03:59
saying, "No, no, no, no, we're going to do things
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"์•„๋ƒ, ์•„๋ƒ, ์•„๋ƒ, ์•„๋ƒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”
04:01
the exact same way we've been doing them."
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์™”๋˜ ๋˜‘๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ์ผ๋“ค์„ ํ•  ์˜ˆ์ •์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"
04:03
But one day the perfect case came, and it
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฃจ๋Š” ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜์™”๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
04:05
was a woman who was a vegetable seller,
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์•ผ์ฑ„์žฅ์ˆ˜์˜€๋˜ ํ•œ ์—ฌ์ธ์ด,
04:07
she was sitting outside of a house.
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์ง‘์˜ ๋ฐ”๊นฅ์ชฝ์— ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:09
She said she actually saw the person
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
04:12
run out who she thinks stole
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๊ทธ ์–ด๋–ค ๋ณด์„์ด์—ˆ๋“ ์ง€๋ฅผ
04:14
whatever the jewelry was, but the police
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ํ›”์นœ ๋‹ฌ๋ ค๋‚˜๊ฐ„ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋ณด์•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ
04:16
came, they got her, there was nothing on her.
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๊ทธ ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์ด ์™€์„œ ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ์žก์•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋…€์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:18
She was pregnant at the time. She had
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‹น์‹œ์— ์ž„์‹ ์„ ํ–ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š”
04:20
cigarette burns on her. She'd miscarried.
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๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๋ชธ์— ๋‹ด๋ฐฐ ํ™”์ƒ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์œ ์‚ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:22
And when they brought her case
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋ฅผ
04:24
to the judge, for the first time he stood up
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ํŒ์‚ฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๊ฐ”์„๋•Œ, ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ผ์–ด์„œ์„œ
04:26
and he said, "Yes, there's no evidence
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๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "๋งž์•„, ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ ์ž๋ฐฑ์„ ์ œ์™ธํ•˜๊ณ ๋Š”
04:28
except for your torture confession
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์ฆ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ์—†์œผ๋‹ˆ
04:30
and you will be released."
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฉด๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
04:32
And the defenders began to take cases
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋“ค์„
04:34
over and over again and
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๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ 
04:36
you will see, they have step by step began
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ณด์‹ค๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•œ ๋ฐœ์ž๊ตญ ํ•œ ๋ฐœ์ž๊ตญ
04:39
to change the course of history in Cambodia.
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์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์—์„œ์˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ ๊ณผ์ •์„ ๋ฐ”๊พธ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:42
But Cambodia is not alone.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„๋Š” ํ˜ผ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:44
I used to think, well is it Cambodia?
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์ €๋Š” ์ข…์ข… ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ, ๊ธ€์Ž„, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์ธ๊ฐ€?
04:46
Or is it other countries?
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๋˜๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค์ธ๊ฐ€?
04:48
But it is in so many countries.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๋งŽ์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋“ค์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:51
In Burundi I walked into a prison and it wasn't
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๋ถ€๋ฃฌ์ด์—์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์— ๊ฑธ์–ด๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”๋Š”๋ฐ
04:53
a 12-year-old boy, it was an 8-year-old boy
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12์‚ด๋จน์€ ์†Œ๋…„์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ 8์‚ด๋จน์€ ์†Œ๋…„์ด
04:56
for stealing a mobile phone.
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ํ•ธ๋“œํฐ์„ ํ›”์นœ ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:58
Or a woman, I picked up her baby,
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๋˜๋Š” ํ•œ ์—ฌ์ธ์ด, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๊ท€์—ฌ์šด ์•„๊ธฐ์ธ
05:00
really cute baby, I said "Your baby is so cute."
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๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ์•„๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ "๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์•„๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๊ท€์—ฝ๊ตฐ์š”."
05:03
It wasn't a baby, she was three.
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์•„๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”, ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ์„ธ ์‚ด์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:05
And she said "Yeah, but she's why I'm here,"
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "๋งž์•„์š”, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋…€๋•Œ ๋ฌธ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์™€ ์žˆ์–ด์š”,"
05:07
because she was accused of stealing
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋…€์˜ ๊ธฐ์ €๊ท€ ๋‘๊ฐœ์™€
05:09
two diapers and an iron for her baby and
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๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ํ›”์นœ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธฐ์†Œ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ 
05:11
still had been in prison.
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์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:13
And when I walked up to the prison director,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์˜ ๊ฐ๋…์ธ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฑธ์–ด๊ฐ”์„๋•Œ,
05:15
I said, "You've got to let her out.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋„๋ก ํ•ด์•ผ๋งŒ ํ•ด์š”
05:17
A judge would let her out."
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ํŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋…€๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฑฐ์—์š”"
05:19
And he said, "Okay, we can talk about it,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "์ข‹์•„์š”, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์žˆ์–ด์š”,
05:21
but look at my prison. Eighty percent
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์„ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”.
05:23
of the two thousand people here
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ๋Š” 2์ฒœ๋ช…์˜ 80ํผ์„ผํŠธ๊ฐ€
05:25
are without a lawyer. What can we do?"
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”?"
05:27
So lawyers began to courageously
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์€ ์šฉ๊ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ
05:29
stand up together to organize a system
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋“ค์„ ์ทจํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”
05:32
where they can take cases.
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์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์„ ์กฐ์งํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ์—ฐํ•ฉํ•˜์—ฌ ์„œ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:34
But we realized that it's not only the training
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ต์œก๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
05:36
of the lawyers, but the connection
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์˜ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์ด
05:38
of the lawyers that makes a difference.
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์ฐจ์ด์ ์„ ๋งŒ๋“ ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:40
For example, in Cambodia, it was that
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ๋“ค์–ด, ์บ„๋ณด๋””์•„์—์„œ๋Š”,
05:42
[inaudible name] did not go alone
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[์•Œ์•„๋“ค์„์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ์ด๋ฆ„]์ด ํ˜ผ์ž ๊ฐ„๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
05:44
but she had 24 lawyers with her
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๊ทธ๋…€์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” 24๋ช…์˜
05:46
who stood up together. And in the same way,
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๋™๋ฃŒ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:48
in China, they always tell me,
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๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ, ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š”, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ,
05:50
"It's like a fresh wind in the desert
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—ฐํ•ฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๋•Œ๋Š”
05:52
when we can come together."
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์‚ฌ๋ง‰์—์„œ์˜ ์‹ ์„ ํ•œ ๋ฐ”๋žŒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™๋‹ค"
05:54
Or in Zimbabwe, where I remember Innocent,
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๋˜๋Š” ์ง๋ฐ”๋ธŒ์›จ์—์„œ๋Š”, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๋ฌด์ฃ„์ธ,
05:56
after coming out of a prison where everybody
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๊ฐ์˜ฅ์—์„œ ๋‚˜์˜จ ํ›„์— ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด
05:58
stood up and said, "I've been here
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์„œ์„œ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์—
06:00
for one year, eight years, 12 years
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1๋…„, 8๋…„, 12๋…„์„
06:02
without a lawyer,"
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ์ด ์—†์ด ์ง€๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,"
06:04
he came and we had a training together
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์™€์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ต์œก์„ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋ฐ›์•˜๊ณ 
06:06
and he said, "I have heard it said" --
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑธ ๋“ค์—ˆ์–ด์š”"--
06:09
because he had heard people mumbling
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ค‘์–ผ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
06:11
and grumbling -- "I have heard it said that
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๋ถˆํ‰ํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค -- "์ €๋Š” ๋งํ•ด์ง€๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
06:13
we cannot help to create justice
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
06:16
because we do not have the resources."
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์ •์˜๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ์กฐํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ๋„์šธ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"
06:18
And then he said, "But I want you to know
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ž ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
06:20
that the lack of resources
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๋ฆฌ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ๋ถ€์กฑํ•œ๊ฒƒ์€
06:23
is never an excuse for injustice."
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์ ˆ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ถ€๋‹นํ•จ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ณ€๋ช…์ด ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๋ฉด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:25
And with that, he successfully
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋”๋ถˆ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋Š” ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์œผ๋กœ
06:27
organized 68 lawyers who have been
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์ฒด๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋ฅผ ํƒํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜
06:30
systematically taking the cases.
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68๋ช…์˜ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์„ ์กฐ์งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:32
The key that we see, though, is training
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๋Š” ์š”์ ์€ ํ›ˆ๋ จ์ด๊ณ 
06:35
and then early access.
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๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธฐ ์ ‘๊ทผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:37
I was recently in Egypt, and was inspired
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์ €๋Š” ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์ด์ง‘ํŠธ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๊ณ 
06:39
to meet with another group of lawyers,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ทธ๋ฃน์˜ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์–ป์—ˆ๊ณ 
06:41
and what they told me is that they said,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์— ์ œ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ์—ˆ๋˜ ๋ง์€,
06:43
"Hey, look, we don't have police
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"ํ—ค์ด, ๋ณด๋ผ๊ตฌ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด์ œ ๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์ด ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์— ์—†์–ด
06:45
on the streets now. The police are
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๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์ด
06:47
one of the main reasons why we had
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ˜๋ช…์„ ๊ฐ–๊ฒŒ๋œ ์ฃผ์š”ํ•œ ์ด์œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์•ผ.
06:49
the revolution. They were torturing everybody
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„
06:51
all the time."
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๊ณ ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด"
06:53
And I said, "But there's been tens of millions
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ  ์ฒด๊ณ„์˜
06:55
of dollars that have recently gone in
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๋ฐœ๋‹ฌ์— ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ํˆฌ์ž…๋œ
06:57
to the development of the legal system here.
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๋ฏธํ™”๋Š” ์ˆ˜์ฒœ ๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ์•ผ
06:59
What's going on?"
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๋ฌด์Šจ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ง€?
07:01
I met with one of the development agencies,
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์ €๋Š” ๋ฐœ๋‹ฌ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๊ณ 
07:04
and they were training prosecutors
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฒ€์ฐฐ๊ด€๊ณผ ํŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์„ ํ›ˆ๋ จ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
07:06
and judges, which is the normal bias,
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ์„œ,
07:08
as opposed to defenders.
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๋ณดํ†ต ํŽธ๊ฒฌ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฑฐ์ง€์š”
07:10
And they showed me a manual which
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฒŒ
07:12
actually was an excellent manual.
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์„ค๋ช…์„œ๋ฅผ ๋ถ€์—ฌ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:14
I said, "I'm gonna copy this."
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณต์‚ฌํ• ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"
07:16
It had everything in it. Lawyers can come
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์—๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์–ด์š”. ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์€
07:18
at the police station. It was perfect.
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๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์„œ์— ์˜ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์™„๋ฒฝํ–ˆ์–ด์š”
07:20
Prosecutors were perfectly trained.
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๊ฒ€์ฐฐ๊ด€๋“ค์€ ์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ต์œก์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:22
But I said to them, "I just have one question,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "์ €๋Š” ๋‹จ์ง€ ํ•œ๊ฐœ์˜ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ,
07:24
which is, by the time that everybody got to
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฒ€์ฐฐ๊ด€์˜ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ๊ฐ”์„๋•Œ์—,
07:26
the prosecutor's office, what had happened to them?"
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๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์Šจ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์ง€?
07:28
And after a pause, they said,
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์ž ๊น ๋ง์„ค์ž„๋์—, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ,
07:30
"They had been tortured."
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"๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹นํ–ˆ์–ด์š”"
07:32
So the pieces are,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์กฐ๊ฐ๋“ค์€
07:34
not only the training of the lawyers, but
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์„ ๊ต์œกํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ ๋ฟ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ,
07:36
us finding a way to systematically implement
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋„ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ์—๊ฒŒ์˜ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ ์ ‘๊ทผ์„ ์ฒด๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ
07:39
early access to counsel, because they are
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์ ์šฉํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ๊ต์œก์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
07:42
the safeguard in the system
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์„ ๋‹นํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”
07:44
for people who are being tortured.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ฒด๊ณ„์—์„œ ์•ˆ์ „์žฅ์น˜ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:47
And as I tell you this, I'm also aware of the
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ ํ•จ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ
07:49
fact that it sounds like, "Oh, okay, it sounds
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"์˜ค, ๋งž์•„, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๋Š”๊ตฐ,
07:51
like we could do it, but can we really do it?"
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ?" ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋“ค๋ฆฐ๋‹ค๋Š”๊ฑธ ์ธ์ง€ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:54
Because it sounds big.
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋“ค๋ฆฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:56
And there are many reasons why I believe it's possible.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๋Œ€๋‹จํžˆ ๋งŽ์€ ์ด์œ ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
07:59
The first reason is the people on the ground
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์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ ์„ ์ฐฝ์กฐํ•˜๋Š”
08:02
who find ways of creating miracles
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๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์ฐพ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
08:05
because of their commitment.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์ „๋… ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:07
It's not only Innocent, who I told you about
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ง๋ฐ”๋ธŒ์›จ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฐ
08:10
in Zimbabwe, but defenders all over the world
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๋ฌด์ฃ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ๋ฟ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ์กฐ๊ฐ๋“ค์„
08:13
who are looking for these pieces.
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์ฐพ๊ณ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ „์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์˜ ์ „๋…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:16
We have a program called JusticeMakers,
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” JusticeMakers(์ •์˜ ์ œ์กฐ์ž)๋ผ๋Š” ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ 
08:19
and we realized there are people that are
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์šฉ๊ธฐ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ผ๋“ค์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜๋Š”
08:21
courageous and want to do things, but
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์ง€๋งŒ
08:23
how can we support them?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง€์›ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”?
08:25
So it's an online contest where it's only
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งŒ์ผ ํ˜์‹ ์ ์ธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ
08:27
five thousand dollars if you come up with
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์ •์˜๋ฅผ ์ ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ณ ์•ˆํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ
08:29
and innovative way of implementing justice.
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์ƒ๊ธˆ 5์ฒœ๋ถˆ์„ ์ฃผ๋Š” ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ ์ปจํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:31
And there are 30 JusticeMakers
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  30๋ช…์˜ JusticeMakers๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
08:33
throughout the world, from Sri Lanka
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์ „์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ, ์Šค๋ฆฌ๋ž‘์นด์—์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ
08:35
to Swaziland to the DRC, who with
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์Šค์œ„์Šค์—, DRC๊นŒ์ง€,
08:38
five thousand dollars do amazing things,
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5์ฒœ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ 
08:41
through SMS programs,
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SMS ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ,
08:43
through paralegal programs,
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์ค€๋ฒ•๋ฅ ๊ฐ€ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ,
08:45
through whatever they can do.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฌด์Šจ์ผ์ด๋“ ์ง€๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด์„œ ๋†€๋ž„๋งŒํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:47
And it's not only these JusticeMakers,
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋‹จ์ง€ ์ด JusticeMakers๋“ค ๋ฟ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ,
08:51
but people we courageously see
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๊ณ 
08:53
figure out who their networks are
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๊ทธ ๋„คํŠธ์›Œํฌ๋ฅผ ์ „์ง„์‹œํ‚ฌ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„
08:56
and how they can move it forward.
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์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์šฉ๊ธฐ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋ณด๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
08:58
So in China, for instance, great laws
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ๋“ค์–ด, ์ค‘๊ตญ์—์„œ๋Š”
09:00
came out where it says police cannot
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๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๊ณ ๋ฌธํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
09:03
torture people or they will be punished.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ฒ˜๋ฒŒ๋ฐ›๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ ์ด ๋‚˜์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:06
And I was sitting side by side with one of our
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ ์•„์ฃผ ์šฉ๊ธฐ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์™€
09:09
very courageous lawyers, and said,
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๋‚˜๋ž€ํžˆ ์•‰์•„์„œ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ,
09:12
"How can we get this out? How can we
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"์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฉ์ถœ์‹œํ‚ค์ฃ ?
09:14
make sure that this is implemented?
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ ์šฉ๋˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?
09:16
This is fantastic." And he said to me,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค" ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ž ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ,
09:18
"Well, do you have money?" And I said,
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"๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๋ˆ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹ ๊ฐ€์š”?" ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ,
09:20
"No." And he said, "That's okay,
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"์•„๋‹ˆ์š”" ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ž ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์š”,
09:22
we can still figure it out."
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฑธ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”"
09:24
And on December 4, he organized
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 12์›” 4์ผ, ๊ทธ๋Š”
09:26
three thousand members
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๊ณต์‚ฐ๋‹น ์ฒญ๋…„ ์—ฐ๋งน(Youth Communist League)์˜
09:28
of the Youth Communist League,
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3์ฒœ๋ช…์˜ ์ผ์›๋“ค์„,
09:30
from 14 of the top law schools,
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์ƒ์œ„ 14๊ฐœ์˜ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ  ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ
09:32
who organized themselves, developed
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๊ทธ๋“ค ์ž์‹ ๋“ค์„ ์กฐ์งํ•˜๊ณ 
09:34
posters with the new laws, and went
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๋ฒ•๋ฅ ๋กœ ํฌ์Šคํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ ,
09:36
to the police stations and began what he says
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๊ฒฝ์ฐฐ์„œ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ
09:38
is a non-violent legal revolution
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์‹œ๋ฏผ์˜ ๊ถŒ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ณดํ˜ธํ•˜๋Š”
09:41
to protect citizen rights.
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๋น„ํญ๋ ฅ ๋ฒ•๋ฅ  ํ˜๋ช…์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:44
So I talked about the fact that we need
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์„ ํ›ˆ๋ จ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ 
09:46
to train and support defenders.
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์ง€์›ํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:48
We need to systematically implement
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ดˆ๊ธฐ์˜ ์ ‘๊ทผ์„
09:50
early access to counsel.
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์ฒด๊ณ„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ ์šฉํ•  ํ•„์š”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:52
But the third and most important thing is that
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์„ธ๋ฒˆ์งธ์ด๊ณ  ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
09:54
we make a commitment to this.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๊ฒƒ์— ์ „๋…ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:56
And people often say to me, "You know,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ œ๊ฒŒ ์ข…์ข… ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ, "์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”,
09:58
this is great, but it's wildly idealistic.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฑด ์•ผ์ƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ด์ƒ์ ์ด์˜ˆ์š”
10:00
Never going to happen."
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์ ˆ๋Œ€๋กœ ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์„๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"
10:02
And the reason that I think that
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ๊ทธ์ด์œ ๋Š”
10:04
those words are interesting is because
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๊ทธ ๋ง๋“ค์€ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด
10:06
those were the same kinds of words
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋…ธ์˜ˆ์ œ๋„๋ฅผ ์ข…๊ฒฐ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ ,
10:08
that were used for people who decided
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์•„ํŒŒ๋ฅดํŠธํ—ค์ดํŠธ(์˜ˆ์ „ ๋‚จ์•„ํ”„๋ฆฌ์นด๊ณตํ™”๊ตญ์˜ ์ธ์ข… ์ฐจ๋ณ„์ •์ฑ…)์„ ์ข…๊ฒฐ์‹œํ‚ฌ๊ฒƒ์„
10:10
they would end slavery, or end apartheid.
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๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ด์šฉํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:12
It began with a small group of people
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ „๋…ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ
10:14
who decided they would commit.
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์†Œ์ˆ˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋กœ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:16
Now, there's one of our favorite poems
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์ž, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์„œ๋กœ ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค์ด
10:18
from the defenders, which they share
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๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š”
10:20
from each other, is:
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์‹œ๋“ค์ค‘์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค:
10:22
"Take courage friends, the road is often long,
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"์นœ๊ตฌ๋“ค์•„ ์šฉ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํƒํ•ด, ๊ธธ์€ ์ข…์ข… ๋ฉ€๊ณ ,
10:24
the path is never clear,
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ํ–‰๋กœ๋Š” ์ ˆ๋Œ€๋กœ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ ,
10:26
and the stakes are very high,
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์œ„๊ธฐ๋Š” ๊ต‰์žฅํžˆ ๋†’์ง€,
10:28
but deep down, you are not alone."
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊นŠ์€๊ณณ์—์„œ๋Š”, ๋„ˆ๋Š” ํ˜ผ์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์•ผ"
10:30
And I believe that if we can come together
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฏฟ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๋งŒ์ผ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
10:33
as a world community to support not only
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๋ณ€ํ˜ธ์ธ๋“ค ๋ฟ๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ,
10:35
defenders, but also everyone in the system
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์ฒด๊ณ„์ชฝ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ทธ์•ˆ์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์ง€์›ํ•˜๋Š”
10:38
who is looking towards it,
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์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๋กœ์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—ฐํ•ฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
10:40
we can end torture as an investigative tool.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์กฐ์‚ฌ ๊ธฐ๊ตฌ๋กœ์„œ์˜ ๊ณ ๋ฌธ์„ ์ข…๊ฒฐ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
10:43
I end always, because I'm sure the questions are --
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์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋งˆ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์งˆ๋ฌธ๋“ค์ด--
10:45
and I'd be happy to talk to you
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์ €๋Š” ์–ด๋Š ์ง€์ ์—์„œ๋“ ์ง€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์„
10:47
at any point -- "But what can I really do?"
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ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ--"ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ •๋ง ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์ง€"
10:49
Well, I would say this. First of all,
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ €๋Š” ์ด๊ฑธ ๋งํ•˜๋ ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ €,
10:51
you know what you can do. But second of all,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ,
10:53
I would leave you with the story of Vishna,
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์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ์ •์˜๋กœ์˜ ๊ตญ์ œ์ ์ธ ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ
10:55
who actually was my inspiration
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์ €์˜ ์˜๊ฐ์ด์—ˆ๋˜
10:58
for starting International Bridges to Justice.
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๋น„์‰ฌ๋‚˜์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋กœ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ๋– ๋‚˜๋ ค ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:00
Vishna was a 4-year-old boy when I met him
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๋น„์‰ฌ๋‚˜๋Š” ์นธ๋‹ฌ ์ง€๋ฐฉ์˜
11:03
who was born in a Cambodian prison
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์บ„๋ณด๋””์•ˆ ๊ฐ์˜ฅ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์„๋•Œ
11:05
in Kandal Province. But because he was
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4์‚ด๋ฐ•์ด ์†Œ๋…„์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š”
11:08
born in the prison, everybody loved him,
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๊ฐ์˜ฅ์•ˆ์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—,
11:10
including the guards, so he was the only one
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๊ฐ€๋“œ๋ฅผ ํฌํ•จํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
11:12
who was allowed to come
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์ฐฝ์‚ด์„ ๋“œ๋‚˜๋“ค๋„๋ก ํ—ˆ๋ฝ๋ฐ›์€
11:14
in and out of the bars.
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์œ ์ผํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:16
So, you know, there's bars. And by the time
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”, ์ฐฝ์‚ด์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:18
that Vishna was getting bigger,
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๋น„์‰ฌ๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ๋” ํฌ๊ฒŒ ์ž๋ผ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์„๋•Œ,
11:20
which means what gets bigger? Your head gets bigger.
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์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋” ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋‚˜์š”? ๋จธ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋” ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:22
So he would come to the first bar,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ฐฝ์‚ด์— ์˜ค๊ณค ํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
11:24
the second bar and then the third bar,
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๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ฐฝ์‚ด, ๊ทธ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ์„ธ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ฐฝ์‚ด,
11:26
and then really slowly move his head
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋‹ค์Œ์—๋Š” ์ •๋ง ์ฒœ์ฒœํžˆ ๊ทธ์˜ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์›€์ง์—ฌ์„œ
11:28
so he could fit through, and come back,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งž๊ฒŒ ํ†ต๊ณผํ•˜๊ณ 
11:30
third, second, first. And he would
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์„ธ๋ฒˆ์งธ, ๋‘๋ฒˆ์งธ, ์ฒซ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„ ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:32
grab my pinkie, because what he wanted
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋‚˜์˜ ์ƒˆ๊นจ ์†๊ฐ€๋ฝ์„ ์žก์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฐ€
11:34
to do every day is he wanted to go visit.
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๋งค์ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ–ˆ๋˜๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•˜๋Š”๊ฒƒ ์ด์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:36
You know, he never quite made it to
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์žˆ์ž–์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ๋งค์ผ
11:38
all of them every day, but he wanted to visit
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ฃ„์ˆ˜๋“ค์„ ๋งŒ๋‚˜์ง€๋Š” ๋ชปํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋Š”
11:40
all 156 prisoners. And I would lift him,
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156๋ช…์˜ ์ฃ„์ˆ˜๋“ค์„ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:42
and he would put his fingers through.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ์˜ ์†๊ฐ€๋ฝ์„ ํ†ต๊ณผ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ ๋Š” ํ–ˆ์ง€์š”
11:44
Or if they were dark cells, it was like iron
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๋˜๋Š” ๋งŒ์ผ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋‘์šด ๊ฐ๋ฐฉ์— ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
11:46
corrugated, and he would put his fingers through.
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๊ณจ์ด์ง„ ๋‹ค๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ ๊ฐ™์•„์„œ, ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ทธ์˜ ์†๊ฐ€๋ฝ์„ ํ†ต๊ณผ์‹œํ‚ค๊ณ ๋Š” ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
11:48
And most of the prisoners said that he was
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ๊ฐ„์ˆ˜๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ ๊ทธ๋Š”
11:50
their greatest joy and their sunshine, and they
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๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ปค๋‹ค๋ž€ ๊ธฐ์จ์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ํ–‡์‚ด์ด๋ฉฐ,
11:52
looked forward to him. And I was like,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋Œ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ,
11:54
here's Vishna. He's a 4-year-old boy.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๋น„์‰ฌ๋‚˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” 4์‚ด๋ฐ•์ด ์†Œ๋…„์ด๋‹ค
11:56
He was born in a prison with almost nothing,
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†์ด
11:58
no material goods, but he had a sense of
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๋ฌผ์งˆ์ ์ธ ์†Œ์œ ๋ฌผ์—†์ด ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋‹ค, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋Š”
12:00
his own heroic journey, which I believe
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๊ทธ ์Šค์Šค๋กœ์˜ ์˜์›…์ ์ธ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฏฟ๊ธฐ์— ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ชจ๋‘์˜ ์ถœ์ƒํ•œ
12:02
we are all born into. He said,
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ํ–‰๋กœ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธธ,
12:04
"Probably I can't do everything.
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"์•„๋งˆ ์ €๋Š” ์ „๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๋‹ค ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์„๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:06
But I'm one. I can do something.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ํ•œ๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์š”
12:08
And I will do the one thing that I can do."
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ ํ•œ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ํ•  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"
12:10
So I thank you for having the prophetic
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜
12:12
imagination to imagine the shaping
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ํ˜•์„ฑ์„ ์ƒ์ƒํ•˜๋Š”
12:15
of a new world with us together,
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์˜ˆ์–ธ์ ์ธ ์ƒ์ƒ์„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๊ฐ€์ง„๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ์‚ฌ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ,
12:17
and invite you into this journey with us.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ด ํ–‰๋กœ์— ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:19
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:21
(Applause)
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12:29
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:31
(Applause)
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12:33
Thank you.
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๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
12:35
(Applause)
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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