Alec Soth + Stacey Baker: This is what enduring love looks like

Translator: Nika Smotlak Reviewer: Nika Kotnik

Alec Soth: So about 10 years ago, I got a call from a woman in Texas,

Alec Soth: Pred 10 leti me je poklicala ženska iz Texasa,

Stacey Baker,

Stacey Baker.

and she'd seen some of my photographs in an art exhibition

Videla je nekatere moje fotografije v umetniški galeriji

and was wondering if she could commission me to take a portrait of her parents.

in se je spraševala, če bi lahko naredil portret njenih staršev.

Now, at the time I hadn't met Stacey, and I thought this was some sort of

Takrat nisem še poznal Stacey in sem mislil da je neke vrste

wealthy oil tycoon and I'd struck it rich,

premožni naftni tajkun ter da bom postal bogat.

but it was only later that I found out

Šele pozneje sem izvedel,

she'd actually taken out a loan to make this happen.

da si je sposodila denar, da je to omogočila.

I took the picture of her parents,

Fotografiral sem njene starše,

but I was actually more excited about photographing Stacey.

vendar me je fotografiranje Stacey bolj navduševalo.

The picture I made that day

Fotografija, ki sem jo posnel

ended up becoming one of my best-known portraits.

tistega dne, je postala ena izmed mojih najbolj znanih portretov.

At the time I made this picture, Stacey was working as an attorney

V obdobju ko sem naredil to fotografijo, je Stacey kot odvetnica delala

for the State of Texas.

za zvezno državo Texas.

Not long after, she left her job to study photography in Maine,

Kmalu za tem je dala odpoved zato da bi študirala fotografijo v Mainu.

and while she was there, she ended up meeting

Medtem ko je bila tam je spoznala

the director of photography at the New York Times Magazine

direktorja fotografije pri New York Times Magazinu.

and was actually offered a job.

Ponudil ji je delovno mesto.

Stacey Baker: In the years since, Alec and I have done

Stacey Baker: Od takrat sva skupaj z Alecom naredila

a number of magazine projects together,

nekaj projektov za revijo

and we've become friends.

in sva postala prijatelja.

A few months ago, I started talking to Alec about a fascination of mine.

Nekaj mesecev nazaj, sem začela Alecu govoriti o temi, ki me je zanimala.

I've always been obsessed with how couples meet.

Od zmeraj me je zanimalo kako se pari spoznajo.

I asked Alec how he and his wife Rachel met,

Vprašala sem Aleca kako sta se z ženo spoznala.

and he told me the story of a high school football game

Povedal mi je zgodbo o srednješolski nogometni tekmi,

where she was 16 and he was 15,

ko je bila ona stara 16 let, on pa 15.

and he asked her out.

Povabil jo je na zmenek.

He liked her purple hair.

Všeč so mu bili njeni vijolični lasje.

She said yes, and that was it.

Ona je rekla da, in to je bilo to.

I then asked Alec if he'd be interested in doing a photography project

Nato sem vprašala Aleca če bi ga zanimalo izpeljati

exploring this question.

fotografski projekt na to temo.

AS: And I was interested in the question, but I was actually much more interested

AS: Zanimalo me je to vprašanje, vendar me je veliko bolj zanimal

in Stacey's motivation for asking it,

Staceyjin razlog za to vprašanje.

particularly since I'd never known Stacey to have a boyfriend.

Predvsem zato, ker nisem nikoli vedel, da bi Stacey kdaj imela fanta.

So as part of this project, I thought it'd be interesting

Pomislil sem, da bi bilo zanimivo, če bi v sklopu projekta

if she tried to meet someone.

poskusila spoznati nekoga.

So my idea was to have Stacey here go speed dating

Moja zamisel je bila, da bi se Stacey udeležila hitrih zmenkov

in Las Vegas on Valentine's Day.

v Las Vegasu, na Valentinovo.

(Laughter) (Applause) (Music)

(Smeh) (Aplavz) (Glasba)

SB: We ended up at what was advertised as the world's largest speed dating event.

SB: Prišli smo na kar je bilo oglaševano, kot največji dogodek hitrih zmenkov.

I had 19 dates

Imela sem 19 zmenkov

and each date lasted three minutes.

in vsak zmenek je trajal tri minute.

Participants were given a list of ice- breaker questions to get the ball rolling,

Udeleženci so dobili seznam vprašanj s katerimi začeti in nadaljevati pogovor

things like, "If you could be any kind of animal, what would you be?"

na primer: "Če bi lahko bil katerakoli žival, katera žival bi bil?"

That sort of thing.

Take vrste vprašanj.

My first date was Colin.

Moj prvi zmenek je bil Colin.

He's from England,

Prihaja iz Anglije in nekoč se je

and he once married a woman he met after placing an ad for a Capricorn.

poročil z žensko, ki jo je spoznal potem, ko je objavil oglas za kozoroga.

Alec and I saw him at the end of the evening,

Z Alecom sva ga videla proti koncu večera

and he said he'd kissed a woman in line at one of the concession stands.

in rekel nama je, da je poljubil žensko, ki je stala v vrsti pred blagajno.

Zack and Chris came to the date-a-thon together.

Zack in Chris sta prišla na hitri zmenek skupaj.

This is Carl.

To je Carl.

I asked Carl, "What's the first thing you notice about a woman?"

Vprašala sem ga: "Katera je prva stvar, ki jo opaziš na ženski?"

He said, "Tits."

On je rekel: "Joške."

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Matthew is attracted to women with muscular calves.

Matthewa privlačijo ženske z mišičastimi goleni.

We talked about running. He does triathlons, I run half-marathons.

Pogovarjala sva se o teku. On dela triatlone, jaz tečem polovične maratone.

Alec actually liked his eyes and asked if I was attracted to him, but I wasn't,

Alecu so bile njegove oči všeč in vprašal me je če mi je bil privlačen, a ni mi bil.

and I don't think he was attracted to me either.

Mislim da mu tudi jaz nisem bila privlačna.

Austin and Mike came together.

Austin in Mike sta prišla skupaj.

Mike asked me a hypothetical question.

Mike mi je postavil hipotetično vprašanje.

He said, "You're in an elevator running late for a meeting.

Rekel je: "Si v dvigalu in se ti mudi na sestanek.

Someone makes a dash for the elevator.

Nekdo pridrvi do dvigala.

Do you hold it open for them?"

Pridržiš odprta vrata?"

And I said I would not.

Odgovorila sem mu, da ne bi.

(Laughter)

(smejanje)

Cliff said the first thing he notices about a woman is her teeth,

Cliff je rekel, da prvo kar opazi pri ženski, so njeni zobje.

and we complimented each other's teeth.

Drug drugemu sva pohvalila zobe.

Because he's an open mouth sleeper,

Rekel je spi z odprtimi usti

he says he has to floss more to help prevent gum disease,

in si mora zobe znitkati pogosteje, zato da bi preprečil bolezni dlesni.

and so I asked him how often he flosses,

Vprašala sem ga kako pogosto si jih znitka.

and he said, "Every other day."

Odgovril je: "Vsak drugi dan."

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Now, as someone who flosses twice a day,

Kot nekdo, ki si znitka zobe dvakrat na dan,

I wasn't really sure that that was flossing more

nisem bila prepričana, da je to zelo pogosto

but I don't think I said that out loud.

ampak mislim, da tega nisem rekla naglas.

Bill is an auditor,

Bill je revizor

and we talked the entire three minutes about auditing. (Laughter)

in vse tri minute sva govorila o reviziji. (Smeh)

The first thing Spencer notices about a woman is her complexion.

Prvo kar Spencer opazi na ženski je njena polt.

He feels a lot of women wear too much makeup,

Misli, da veliko žensk nosi preveč make- upa ter da bi ga

and that they should only wear enough to accentuate the features that they have.

ženske morale nositi samo toliko, da jim poudari tiste značilnosti, ki imajo.

I told him I didn't wear any makeup at all

Rekla sem mu, da ne uporabljam make-upa,

and he seemed to think that that was a good thing.

in zdelo se je, da mu je to všeč.

Craig told me he didn't think I was willing to be vulnerable.

Craig je rekel, da se po njegovem mnenju ne zdim pripravljena biti ranljiva.

He was also frustrated when I couldn't remember my most embarrassing moment.

Bil je nejevoljen, ko se nisem spomnila svojega najbolj nerodnega trenutka.

He thought I was lying, but I wasn't.

Mislil je, da lažem, a nisem.

I didn't think he liked me at all, but at the end of the night,

Mislim, da mu nisem bila všeč, ampak na koncu večera,

he came back to me and he gave me a box of chocolates.

je prišel do mene in mi podaril škatlo s čokoladnimi bonboni.

William was really difficult to talk to.

Z Williamom se je bilo težko pogovarjati.

I think he was drunk.

Mislim, da je bil pijan.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

Actor Chris McKenna was the MC of the event.

Igralec Chris McKeena je bil predstavnik dogodka.

He used to be on "The Young and the Restless."

Igral je v soap operi "The Young and the Restless"

I didn't actually go on a date with him.

Osebno nisem imela zmenka z njim.

Alec said he saw several women give their phone numbers to him.

Alec je rekel, da je videl precej žensk, ki so mu dale telefonsko številko.

Needless to say, I didn't fall in love.

Odveč je povedati, da se nisem zaljubila.

I didn't feel a particular connection with any of the men that I went on dates with,

Nisem občutila posebne povezave z nobenim izmed moških, s katerim sem imela zmenek

and I didn't feel like they felt a particular connection with me either.

in mislim, da niti oni niso občutili posebne povezave z mano.

AS: Now, the most beautiful thing to me --

AS: To kar mi je kot fotografu --

(Laughter) -- as a photographer is the quality of vulnerability.

(Smeh) -- najbolj všeč je ranljivost.

The physical exterior reveals a crack in which you can get a glimpse

Naša zunanjost razkriva razpoko, skozi katero lahko dobiš vpogled

at a more fragile interior.

v krhkejšo notranjost.

At this date-a-thon event, I saw so many examples of that,

Na dogodku hitrih zmenkov sem videl veliko takih primerov,

but as I watched Stacey's dates and talked to her about them,

ampak, šele ko sem opazoval Staceyine zmenke in sem se z njo o njih pogovarjal,

I realized how different photographic love is from real love.

sem ugotovil kako se fotografska ljubezen razlikuje od prave ljubezni.

What is real love? How does it work?

Kaj je prava ljubezen? Kako deluje?

In order to work on this question and to figure out how someone goes

Zato, da bi našla odgovor na to vprašanje in da bi razumela kako se nekdo odloči

from meeting on a date to having a life together,

na podlagi zmenka, da bo preživel življenje z nekom drugim,

Stacey and I went to Sun City Summerlin,

sva s Stacey šla v Sun City Summerlin.

which is the largest retirement community in Las Vegas.

To je največja skupnost upokojencev v Las Vegasu.

Our contact there was George, who runs the community's photography club.

Tu sva imela stik z Georgom, ki vodi fotografski klub te skupnosti.

He arranged for us to meet other couples in their makeshift photo studio.

Organiziral nam je srečanja z drugimi pari v njihovem začasnem fotografskem studiu.

SB: After 45 years of marriage, Anastasia's husband died two years ago,

SB: Po 45 letih poroke, je Anastasijin mož umrl dve leti nazaj.

so we asked if she had an old wedding picture.

Vprašali smo jo ali ima kako staro poročno sliko.

She met her husband when she was a 15-year-old waitress

Moža je spoznala kot 15-letna natakarica

at a small barbecue place in Michigan.

v mali restavraciji v Michiganu.

He was 30.

On je imel 30 let.

She'd lied about her age.

Ona se je zlagala glede njene starosti.

He was the first person she'd dated.

On je bil prvi moški s katerim je hodila na zmenke.

Dean had been named photographer of the year in Las Vegas two years in a row,

Dean je bil imenovan fotograf leta v Las Vegasu dve leti zapored.

and this caught Alec's attention,

To je pritegnilo Alecovo pozornost.

as did the fact that he met his wife, Judy,

Pritegnilo ga je tudi dejstvo, da je spoznal ženo Judy

at the same age when Alec met Rachel.

pri isti starosti, kot je Alec spoznal Rachel.

Dean admitted that he likes to look at beautiful women,

Dean je priznal, da rad gleda lepe ženske,

but he's never questioned his decision to marry Judy.

ampak ni nikoli podvomil v poroko z Judy.

AS: George met Josephine at a parish dance.

AS: George je spoznal Josephine na vaškem plesu.

He was 18, she was 15.

On je imel 18 let, ona pa 15.

Like a lot of the couples we met, they weren't especially philosophical

Kot veliko parov, ki sva jih spoznala, nista veliko filozofirala

about their early choices.

o njunih zgodnjih izbirah.

George said something that really stuck with me.

George je rekel nekaj, kar se me je dotaknilo.

He said, "When you get that feeling, you just go with it."

Rekel je, "Ko dobiš tisti občutek, sprejmi ga."

Bob and Trudy met on a blind date when she was still in high school.

Bob in Trudy sta se spoznala na zmenku na slepo, ko je bila še srednješolka.

They said they weren't particularly attracted to each other

Rekla sta, da si nista bila posebej privlačna,

when the first met.

ko sta se prvič srečala.

Nevertheless, they were married soon after.

Kljub temu, sta se kmalu zatem poročila.

SB: The story that stayed with me the most

SB: Zgodba, ki se me je najbolj dotaknila,

was that of George, the photography club president, and his wife, Mary.

je bila Georgova, predsednika fotografskega kluba, in njegove žene Mary.

This was George and Mary's second marriage.

To je bil njun drugi zakon.

They met at a country-western club in Louisville, Kentucky called the Sahara.

Spoznala sta se v podeželskem klubu Sahara, v Louisvillu, v Kentuckyiju.

He was there alone drinking and she was with friends.

On je pil sam, ona pa je bila s prijatelji.

When they started dating, he owed the IRS 9,000 dollars in taxes,

Ko sta začela hoditi, je državi dolgoval 9.000 dolarjev davkov.

and she offered to help him get out of debt,

Ona je ponudila njeno pomoč pri izplačilu dolga.

so for the next year, he turned his paychecks over to Mary,

V naslednjih letih, je svojo plačo predajal Mary,

and she got him out of debt.

in ona ga je rešila dolga.

George was actually an alcoholic when they married, and Mary knew it.

George je bil alkoholik, ko sta se poročila in Mary je to vedela.

At some point in their marriage, he says he consumed

V določenem trenutku njunega zakona, je imel navado spiti

54 beers in one day.

54 piv na dan.

Another time, when he was drunk, he threatened to kill Mary

Spet drugič, ko je bil pijan, je zagrozil, da bo ubil Mary

and her two kids,

in njuna otroka,

but they escaped and a SWAT team was called to the house.

vendar jim je uspelo zbežati in posebna policijska enota je prišla na njun dom.

Amazingly, Mary took him back,

Presenetljivo je Mary moža sprejela nazaj

and eventually things got better.

in sčasoma so se stvari obrnile na bolje.

George has been involved in Alcoholics Anonymous

George se je vključil v društvo anonimnih alkoholikov

and hasn't had a drink in 36 years.

in ni pil alkohola že 36 let.

(Music)

(Glasba)

At the end of the day, after we left Sun City,

Na koncu dneva, ko sva zapustila Sun City,

I told Alec that I didn't actually think

sem Alecu rekla, da si nisem pričakovala,

that the stories of how these couples met were all that interesting.

da bodo zgodbe o tem, kako so se pari srečali, tako zanimive.

What was more interesting

Kar je bilo še bolj zanimivo,

was how they managed to stay together.

je bilo to, kako jim je uspelo ostati skupaj.

AS: They all had this beautiful quality of endurance,

AS: Vsi so bili čudovito vzdržljivi,

but that was true of the singles, too.

a to je veljalo tudi za samske.

The world is hard, and the singles were out there

Življenje je težko in samski

trying to connect with other people,

se poskušajo povezovati z drugimi ljudmi,

and the couples were holding onto each other

medtem ko pari držijo skupaj

after all these decades.

po dolgih desetletjih.

My favorite pictures on this trip were of Joe and Roseanne.

Moja najljubša fotografija tega potovanja je bila slika Joe-a in Roseanne.

Now, by the time we met Joe and Roseanne,

Ko sva ju spoznala,

we'd gotten in the habit of asking couples if they had an old wedding photograph.

sva se že navadila, da vsak par vprašava ali imata kako staro poročno fotografijo.

In their case, they simultaneously pulled out of their wallets

V njihovem primeru, sta oba istočasno vzela iz denarnice

the exact same photograph.

dve enaki fotografiji.

What's more beautiful, I thought to myself,

Kaj je lepše,sem pomislil,

this image of a young couple who has just fallen in love

ta slika mladega para, ki se je ravnokar zaljubil,

or the idea of these two people holding onto this image for decades?

ali ideja, da se dva držita te slike za desetletja?

Thank you.

Hvala.

(Applause)

(aplavz)