New insights on poverty | Hans Rosling

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I told you three things last year.
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去年我们讲了3个问题
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I told you that the statistics of the world
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我们已经谈过了
00:30
have not been made properly available.
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世界的统计资料并不为人们所知
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Because of that, we still have the old mindset
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所以我们仍错误的
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of developing in industrialized countries, which is wrong.
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把世界划分为发达国家与发展中国家
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And that animated graphics can make a difference.
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但是新的统计数据动画技术将引领变革
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Things are changing
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变革已经开始
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and today, on the United Nations Statistic Division Home Page,
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今天,在联合国统计署的官方网站上
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it says, by first of May, full access to the databases.
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通告说5月1日以后所有数据库向公众开放
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
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And if I could share the image with you on the screen.
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我们一起看大屏幕
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So three things have happened.
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(过去1年中)发生了3件事
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U.N. opened their statistic databases,
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联合国开放了他们的数据库
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and we have a new version of the software
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我们的软件推出了新版本
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up working as a beta on the net,
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其测试版可以在线使用
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so you don't have to download it any longer.
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所以今后大家再也不用下载了
01:16
And let me repeat what you saw last year.
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首先我们回顾一下去年的内容
01:18
The bubbles are the countries.
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每个球代表一个国家
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Here you have the fertility rate -- the number of children per woman --
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X轴是生育率,每个妇女的育儿数
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and there you have the length of life in years.
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Y轴是平均寿命年数
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This is 1950 -- those were the industrialized countries,
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当前数据是1950年,这些是发达国家
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those were developing countries.
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这些是发展中国家
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At that time there was a "we" and "them."
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那时世界是由“我们和他们”构成的
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There was a huge difference in the world.
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那时候各国差距很大
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But then it changed, and it went on quite well.
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后来世界往好的方向上改变了
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And this is what happens.
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这就是变化的过程
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You can see how China is the red, big bubble.
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那个大的红球代表中国
01:44
The blue there is India.
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而那个大的蓝球代表印度
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And they go over all this -- I'm going to try to be
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(今年我想
01:48
a little more serious this year in showing you
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稍微严肃一些地向你们展示
01:50
how things really changed.
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世界的发展过程)
01:53
And it's Africa that stands out as the problem down here, doesn't it?
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而这些(小的深蓝色球)非洲国家 正是问题所在
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Large families still, and the HIV epidemic
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庞大的家庭,艾滋病流行
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brought down the countries like this.
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导致平均寿命下降
02:01
This is more or less what we saw last year,
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这基本上就是去年我们所讲的内容
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and this is how it will go on into the future.
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而这是对未来的预测
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And I will talk on, is this possible?
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我得说这些只是可能发生的
02:09
Because you see now, I presented statistics that don't exist.
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因为现在我们看到的 实际上是不存在的统计数据
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Because this is where we are.
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这是目前的实际情况
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Will it be possible that this will happen?
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也许未来的发展会像这样
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I cover my lifetime here, you know?
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(这段时间)包含了我的人生
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I expect to live 100 years.
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我期望活到100岁
02:23
And this is where we are today.
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这是今天的世界
02:25
Now could we look here instead at the economic situation in the world?
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我们看看世界的经济情况
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And I would like to show that against child survival.
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和对应的儿童健康状况
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We'll swap the axis.
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我们翻转一下Y轴
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Here you have child mortality -- that is, survival --
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现在Y轴是儿童死亡率
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four kids dying there, 200 dying there.
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这里是千分之四的死亡率 而那里是千分之两百的死亡率
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And this is GDP per capita on this axis.
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X轴是人均GDP
02:50
And this was 2007.
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当前是2007年的数据
02:53
And if I go back in time, I've added some historical statistics --
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如果我们回到过去,我们增加了一些历史数据
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here we go, here we go, here we go -- not so much statistics 100 years ago.
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100年前没有多少数据统计
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Some countries still had statistics.
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只有少数国家有数据可查
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We are looking down in the archive,
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我们参考了历史文献的记载
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and when we are down into 1820,
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现在我们看到的是1820年的数据
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there is only Austria and Sweden that can produce numbers.
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那时只有奥地利和瑞典人识数
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:18
But they were down here. They had 1,000 dollars per person per year.
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但他们在下边,每人每年1000美元的收入
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And they lost one-fifth of their kids before their first birthday.
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五分之一的孩子活不到1岁生日
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So this is what happens in the world, if we play the entire world.
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这就是那时的世界。再看看世界的发展
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How they got slowly richer and richer,
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这些国家慢慢变得富有
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and they add statistics.
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另一些国家开始拥有统计数据
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Isn't it beautiful when they get statistics?
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(这些数据是不是很漂亮?
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You see the importance of that?
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大家发现统计的重要性了吧)
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And here, children don't live longer.
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但是儿童健康并没有得到很大的改善
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The last century, 1870, was bad for the kids in Europe,
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在19世纪70年代左右,欧洲的孩子们很不幸
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because most of this statistics is Europe.
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因为这些数据都来自欧洲国家
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It was only by the turn of the century
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直到19世纪与20世纪交替的时候
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that more than 90 percent of the children survived their first year.
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90%以上的孩子能庆祝1岁生日
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This is India coming up, with the first data from India.
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现在出现的是印度(蓝球)
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And this is the United States moving away here, earning more money.
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而这个(黄球)是美国,人们的钱包越来越鼓
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And we will soon see China coming up in the very far end corner here.
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中国(大的红球)出现在远处的角落
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And it moves up with Mao Tse-Tung getting health,
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毛泽东时代,中国儿童健康不断改善
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not getting so rich.
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但是收入的增加很缓慢
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There he died, then Deng Xiaoping brings money.
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毛泽东去世后,邓小平带来了金钱
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It moves this way over here.
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中国朝着高收入的方向发展
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And the bubbles keep moving up there,
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其他国家也都在发展
04:14
and this is what the world looks like today.
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这就是今天我们的世界
04:16
(Applause)
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(掌声)
04:22
Let us have a look at the United States.
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现在我们看看美国
04:25
We have a function here -- I can tell the world, "Stay where you are."
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(新软件)多了一个选项,可以让世界(其他国家)静止
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And I take the United States -- we still want to see the background --
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我们把美国选定,把背景调亮
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I put them up like this, and now we go backwards.
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这样可以看到其他国家
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And we can see that the United States
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接着我们回到过去
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goes to the right of the mainstream.
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美国始终在主流的右侧
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They are on the money side all the time.
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他们总和钱站在同一边
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And down in 1915, the United States was a neighbor of India --
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回到1915年,当时的美国
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present, contemporary India.
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和今天的印度差不多
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And that means United States was richer,
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当时的美国(比今天的印度)更富有
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but lost more kids than India is doing today, proportionally.
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儿童死亡率却更高
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And look here -- compare to the Philippines of today.
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再看这里,菲律宾(与美国)相比
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The Philippines of today has almost the same economy
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菲律宾今天的经济水平
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as the United States during the First World War.
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与一战时期的美国差不多
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But we have to bring United States forward quite a while
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但美国需要(从一战后)发展多少年
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to find the same health of the United States
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才能达到菲律宾今天的儿童健康水平呢
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as we have in the Philippines.
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才能达到菲律宾今天的儿童健康水平呢
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About 1957 here, the health of the United States
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直到1957年,美国的儿童健康水平
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is the same as the Philippines.
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才和今天的菲律宾一样
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And this is the drama of this world which many call globalized,
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这就是世界发展的剧本,很多人称之为“全球化”
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is that Asia, Arabic countries, Latin America,
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也就是说在亚洲,阿拉伯国家和拉丁美洲
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are much more ahead in being healthy, educated,
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其健康和教育水平的发展速度
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having human resources than they are economically.
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远超过了经济发展的速度
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There's a discrepancy in what's happening today
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而在今天的新兴国家中
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in the emerging economies.
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发展的差异
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There now, social benefits, social progress,
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更多的体现在社会的进步
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are going ahead of economical progress.
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而不是经济的发展
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And 1957 -- the United States had the same economy as Chile has today.
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1957年美国的经济水平与今天的智利相近
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And how long do we have to bring United States
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但美国需要发展多少年
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to get the same health as Chile has today?
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才能达到智利今天的儿童健康水平呢
06:00
I think we have to go, there -- we have 2001, or 2002 --
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(我们要等到)2002年
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the United States has the same health as Chile.
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美国的儿童健康水平才和今天的智利一样
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Chile's catching up!
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智利已经赶上来了!
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Within some years Chile may have better child survival
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几年后智利的儿童健康
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than the United States.
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可能会超过美国
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This is really a change, that you have this lag
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这真是很大的变化,在不同的国家
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of more or less 30, 40 years' difference on the health.
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经济发展和健康水平的差距有30,40年
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And behind the health is the educational level.
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而在这个背后,有教育的差距
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And there's a lot of infrastructure things,
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还有基础设施的差距
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and general human resources are there.
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以及人力资源的差距等等
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Now we can take away this --
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我们现在把其他国家去掉
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and I would like to show you the rate of speed,
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再来看看不同的国家
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the rate of change, how fast they have gone.
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其发展速度有怎样的差异
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And we go back to 1920, and I want to look at Japan.
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回到1920年,先选定日本
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And I want to look at Sweden and the United States.
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选定瑞典和美国
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And I'm going to stage a race here
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我们将举办一场车赛
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between this sort of yellowish Ford here
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选手分别是黄色的福特车(美国)
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and the red Toyota down there,
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红色的丰田车(日本)
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and the brownish Volvo.
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和棕色的沃尔沃车(瑞典)
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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And here we go. Here we go.
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比赛开始
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The Toyota has a very bad start down here, you can see,
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丰田车启动时的表现很差
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and the United States Ford is going off-road there.
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福特车驶出了赛道
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And the Volvo is doing quite fine.
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沃尔沃表现的很不错
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This is the war. The Toyota got off track, and now
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二战时,丰田车跑到了赛道外
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the Toyota is coming on the healthier side of Sweden --
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但它(很快调整好)并在健康水平高于瑞典的一侧运行
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can you see that?
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但它(很快调整好)并在健康水平高于瑞典的一侧运行
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And they are taking over Sweden,
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现在它的健康水平
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and they are now healthier than Sweden.
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已经超过了瑞典
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That's the part where I sold the Volvo and bought the Toyota.
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就在那一年 我把自己的沃尔沃换成了丰田车
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
07:23
And now we can see that the rate of change was enormous in Japan.
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我们看到 日本的变化速度是惊人的
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They really caught up.
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他们确实赶超了上来
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And this changes gradually.
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但是这种变化是逐步发生的
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We have to look over generations to understand it.
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要经历好几代人的时间才能理解这种变化
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And let me show you my own sort of family history --
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下面把我的家族史展示给大家看一下
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we made these graphs here.
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(这张图代表今天的世界)
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And this is the same thing, money down there, and health, you know?
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Y轴代表健康水平,X轴是收入
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And this is my family.
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(这根红线)代表了我的家族
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This is Sweden, 1830, when my great-great-grandma was born.
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这里是1830年的瑞典 ,我的曾曾祖母出生于这一年
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Sweden was like Sierra Leone today.
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1830年的瑞典和今天的塞拉利昂一样
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And this is when great-grandma was born, 1863.
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我的曾祖母生于1863年
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And Sweden was like Mozambique.
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1863年的瑞典和今天的莫桑比克一样
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And this is when my grandma was born, 1891.
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我的祖母生于1891年
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She took care of me as a child,
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是她看着我长大的
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so I'm not talking about statistic now --
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现在我给大家讲述的不是统计数据
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now it's oral history in my family.
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而是我本人的家族历史
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That's when I believe statistics,
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我之所以相信这些统计数据
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when it's grandma-verified statistics.
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是因为我的祖母证实了这些数据的真实性
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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I think it's the best way of verifying historical statistics.
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我认为祖母最适合于验证数据真实性
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Sweden was like Ghana.
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1891年的瑞典和今天的嘎纳一样
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It's interesting to see the enormous diversity
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可见在撒哈拉以南非洲地区
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within sub-Saharan Africa.
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国家间的差异非常巨大
08:28
I told you last year, I'll tell you again,
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(我们再来回顾一下去年的内容)
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my mother was born in Egypt, and I -- who am I?
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我母亲出生于(今天的)埃及
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I'm the Mexican in the family.
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我是家里的墨西哥人
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And my daughter, she was born in Chile,
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我女儿出生于(今天的)智利
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and the grand-daughter was born in Singapore,
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我的孙女则出生在(今天的)新加坡
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now the healthiest country on this Earth.
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新加坡是目前世界上最健康的国家
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It bypassed Sweden about two to three years ago,
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其儿童健康水平在2,3年前
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with better child survival.
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超过了瑞典
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But they're very small, you know?
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但新加坡是个小地方
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They're so close to the hospital we can never
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人们住的地方和医院很近
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beat them out in these forests.
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把他们搬到瑞典的森林地区再比比看
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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But homage to Singapore.
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但还是应该向新加坡致敬
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Singapore is the best one.
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他们是最健康的国家之一
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Now this looks also like a very good story.
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以上这些看起来很不错
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But it's not really that easy, that it's all a good story.
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但这些好的现象不能代表全部
09:03
Because I have to show you one of the other facilities.
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现在我们调整一下设置
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We can also make the color here represent the variable --
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把球的颜色重新设置一下,让颜色表示
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and what am I choosing here?
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把球的颜色重新设置一下,让颜色表示
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Carbon-dioxide emission, metric ton per capita.
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CO2人均排放量(公吨)
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This is 1962, and United States was emitting 16 tons per person.
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1962年,美国的人均CO2排放量为16吨
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And China was emitting 0.6,
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当时的中国人均排放0.6吨
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and India was emitting 0.32 tons per capita.
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印度为0.3吨
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And what happens when we moved on?
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后来呢
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Well, you see the nice story of getting richer
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各国的经济和健康均得到了发展
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and getting healthier --
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各国的经济和健康均得到了发展
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everyone did it at the cost of emission of carbon dioxide.
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同时所有国家的人均CO2排放量都增加了
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There is no one who has done it so far.
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没有哪个国家不是如此
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And we don't have all the updated data
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手头上我们没有更近的数据
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any longer, because this is really hot data today.
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因为CO2的数据现在很炙手可热
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And there we are, 2001.
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最新的数据只有2001年的
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And in the discussion I attended with global leaders, you know,
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上次我参加了一个世界领导人的会议
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many say now the problem is that the emerging economies,
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很多人在埋怨新兴国家
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they are getting out too much carbon dioxide.
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说他们排放了太多CO2
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The Minister of the Environment of India said,
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印度环境部的部长说
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"Well, you were the one who caused the problem."
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“问题出在你们那里
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The OECD countries -- the high-income countries --
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经合组织成员国,高收入国家
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they were the ones who caused the climate change.
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是你们导致了气候的改变
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"But we forgive you, because you didn't know it.
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但我们原谅你们,因为你们以前并不知情
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But from now on, we count per capita.
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从现在起我们算人均CO2排放量
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From now on we count per capita.
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从现在起我们算人均CO2排放量
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And everyone is responsible for the per capita emission."
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每个国家都应该对自己的人均CO2排放量负责”
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This really shows you, we have not seen good economic
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这里我们清楚地看到,每个国家的
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and health progress anywhere in the world
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经济发展和健康的改善
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without destroying the climate.
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都是以破坏环境为代价的
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And this is really what has to be changed.
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这亟需改变
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I've been criticized for showing you a too positive image of the world,
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我给大家展示过于乐观的发展前景,已经招来不少批评
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but I don't think it's like this.
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尽管我不太认同
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The world is quite a messy place.
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这是一个乱糟糟的世界
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This we can call Dollar Street.
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现在大家所看到的是“美元街”
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Everyone lives on this street here.
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所有人都住在这条街上
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What they earn here -- what number they live on --
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上面的数字
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is how much they earn per day.
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代表居民每天的收入
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This family earns about one dollar per day.
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这家人每天收入1美元
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We drive up the street here,
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我们驾车往前走
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we find a family here which earns about two to three dollars a day.
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这家人每天收入2-3美元
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And we drive away here -- we find the first garden in the street,
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继续往前走,看到街上第一个带花园的房子
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and they earn 10 to 50 dollars a day.
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他们家每天收入10-50美元
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And how do they live?
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房子里面是什么样子的呢
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If we look at the bed here, we can see
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先看看卧室
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that they sleep on a rug on the floor.
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(最穷的一家)睡在地板上
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This is what poverty line is --
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这就是贫困线以下的生活
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80 percent of the family income is just to cover the energy needs,
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80%的收入用于基本生活所需的能量和食物
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the food for the day.
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80%的收入用于基本生活所需的能量和食物
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This is two to five dollars. You have a bed.
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这家人每天收入2-5美元,有床可以睡了
11:23
And here it's a much nicer bedroom, you can see.
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(带花园的这一家)卧室要好得多
11:26
I lectured on this for Ikea, and they wanted to see
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我给"宜家"雇员们作报告的时候
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the sofa immediately here.
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他们要求看看沙发
11:30
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
11:32
And this is the sofa, how it will emerge from there.
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这就是(贫困家里的)沙发
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And the interesting thing, when you go around here in the photo panorama,
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这一家有像样的沙发,但我们环顾周围
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you see the family still sitting on the floor there.
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会看到他们仍然坐在地板上
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Although there is a sofa,
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尽管他们有沙发
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if you watch in the kitchen, you can see that
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我们再看看厨房
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the great difference for women does not come between one to 10 dollars.
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日收入1美元和10美元的家庭,厨房条件差不多
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It comes beyond here, when you really can get
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在日收入超过10美元的家里
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good working conditions in the family.
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厨房的条件才大为改善
11:55
And if you really want to see the difference,
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真正的差别其实在厕所
11:57
you look at the toilet over here.
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大家看这里
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This can change. This can change.
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这些是可以改变的
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These are all pictures and images from Africa,
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这些图片来自非洲
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and it can become much better.
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但是(非洲)可以变得更好
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We can get out of poverty.
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我们可以摆脱贫困
12:09
My own research has not been in IT or anything like this.
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我以前的研究并不是现在的IT领域
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I spent 20 years in interviews with African farmers
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我在非洲工作了20年,终日奔走于饥饿的非洲农民中间
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who were on the verge of famine.
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我在非洲工作了20年,终日奔走于饥饿的非洲农民中间
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And this is the result of the farmers-needs research.
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这张照片记录了对“农民需求”的一项研究
12:20
The nice thing here is that you can't see
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有趣的是,你在照片上分辨不出
12:22
who are the researchers in this picture.
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谁是研究人员
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That's when research functions in poor societies --
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在贫困地区开展研究的时候
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you must really live with the people.
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你必须和当地人生活在一起
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When you're in poverty, everything is about survival.
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如果你在贫困线以下,生存就是你的全部
12:35
It's about having food.
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必须获得食物
12:37
And these two young farmers, they are girls now --
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照片里的2个年轻的农民,她们是女孩
12:39
because the parents are dead from HIV and AIDS --
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因为父母都死于艾滋病
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they discuss with a trained agronomist.
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她们正和一个农学家交谈
12:45
This is one of the best agronomists in Malawi, Junatambe Kumbira,
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他是马拉维最好的农学家之一,(名字是)Jonathan Mkambira
12:49
and he's discussing what sort of cassava they will plant --
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他们正在讨论种植哪一种cassava
12:51
the best converter of sunshine to food that man has found.
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Cassava是已知的转化太阳能效率最高的植物
12:55
And they are very, very eagerly interested to get advice,
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农民非常渴望得到建议
12:58
and that's to survive in poverty.
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这就是贫困线以下的生活
13:01
That's one context.
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另一方面
13:02
Getting out of poverty.
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(如何)摆脱贫困
13:04
The women told us one thing. "Get us technology.
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照片中的妇女告诉我们:“我们需要技术支持
13:07
We hate this mortar, to stand hours and hours.
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我们不想用人工磨,连续几个小时站着
13:10
Get us a mill so that we can mill our flour,
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给我们电动磨来磨面粉吧
13:13
then we will be able to pay for the rest ourselves."
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我们可以用卖面粉的钱 去买其它东西”
13:16
Technology will bring you out of poverty,
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技术支持可以帮助人们脱贫
13:19
but there's a need for a market to get away from poverty.
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而市场对于人们脱贫也很重要
13:23
And this woman is very happy now, bringing her products to the market.
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照片里的妇女很开心,她正把农产品运到市场上去卖
13:26
But she's very thankful for the public investment in schooling
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她很感谢政府的教育投资
13:28
so she can count, and won't be cheated when she reaches the market.
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她学会了算术 这样在市场里不会被骗
13:31
She wants her kid to be healthy, so she can go to the market
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她也希望孩子健康 这样她可以安心去市场
13:34
and doesn't have to stay home.
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而不是在家里照顾小孩
13:36
And she wants the infrastructure -- it is nice with a paved road.
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她还希望有基础设施,有一条铺好的道路很重要
13:39
It's also good with credit.
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另外小额贷款也很有用
13:41
Micro-credits gave her the bicycle, you know.
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小额贷款帮她买了自行车
13:44
And information will tell her when to go to market with which product.
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她还需要讯息,何时带何种农产品去市场
13:47
You can do this.
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而这些都是我们能实现的
13:49
I find my experience from 20 years of Africa is that
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非洲20年的经历让我明白
13:52
the seemingly impossible is possible.
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看上去不可能的事情 其实是可能的
13:55
Africa has not done bad.
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非洲的表现一点也不差
13:57
In 50 years they've gone from a pre-Medieval situation
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50年时间里,非洲从中世纪之前的水平
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to a very decent 100-year-ago Europe,
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发展为100年前的欧洲
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with a functioning nation and state.
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并建立起国家系统
14:06
I would say that sub-Saharan Africa has done best in the world
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我想说撒哈拉以南非洲地区在过去的50年中,是发展速度最快的地区
14:09
during the last 50 years.
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我想说撒哈拉以南非洲地区在过去的50年中,是发展速度最快的地区
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Because we don't consider where they came from.
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由于我们没有考虑非洲的出身
14:12
It's this stupid concept of developing countries
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而且错误的使用 “发展中国家”的理念
14:15
that puts us, Argentina and Mozambique together 50 years ago,
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50年前把阿根廷和莫桑比克归类在一起
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and says that Mozambique did worse.
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然后得出结论说 莫桑比克的发展(比阿根廷)差多了
14:21
We have to know a little more about the world.
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我们应该更深入了解这个世界
14:23
I have a neighbor who knows 200 types of wine.
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我的邻居了解200种葡萄酒
14:26
He knows everything.
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他对这些酒了如指掌
14:27
He knows the name of the grape, the temperature and everything.
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他知道葡萄的名字,酿酒的温度
14:29
I only know two types of wine -- red and white.
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我就知道2种葡萄酒,红的和白的
14:32
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
14:34
But my neighbor only knows two types of countries --
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但是我邻居就知道2种国家
14:36
industrialized and developing.
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发达国家和发展中国家
14:38
And I know 200, I know about the small data.
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我熟悉200个国家,以及他们的历年数据
14:41
But you can do that.
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这个你也能做到
14:42
(Applause)
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(掌声)
14:47
But I have to get serious. And how do you get serious?
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后面我要严肃一些,怎么严肃法呢?
14:49
You make a PowerPoint, you know?
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我们需要Power Point
14:51
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
14:56
Homage to the Office package, no?
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向微软"Office"致敬!
15:00
What is this, what is this, what am I telling?
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下面我想讲一下
15:02
I'm telling you that there are many dimensions of development.
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发展的过程是多维的
15:05
Everyone wants your pet thing.
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每个人都有自己的偏好
15:07
If you are in the corporate sector, you love micro-credit.
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如果你为企业部门工作,你会偏爱小额贷款
15:10
If you are fighting in a non-governmental organization,
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如果你在非政府组织工作
15:12
you love equity between gender.
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你更喜欢讨论男女平等
15:15
Or if you are a teacher, you'll love UNESCO, and so on.
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如果你是教师,你会首推联合国教科文组织,等等
15:17
On the global level, we have to have more than our own thing.
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在全球发展的层面,我们的需求其实大同小异
15:19
We need everything.
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这种需求涉及所有领域
15:21
All these things are important for development,
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因为它们都是发展的前提
15:23
especially when you just get out of poverty
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尤其是对于 希望脱贫致富的人们
15:25
and you should go towards welfare.
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尤其是对于 希望脱贫致富的人们
15:28
Now, what we need to think about
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我们要仔细考虑一下
15:30
is, what is a goal for development,
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哪些是发展的目标
15:33
and what are the means for development?
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哪些是发展的途径
15:34
Let me first grade what are the most important means.
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先看看最重要的途径
15:38
Economic growth to me, as a public-health professor,
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经济的发展, 对于公共卫生学教授来说这是一切发展的根本
15:40
is the most important thing for development
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经济的发展, 对于公共卫生学教授来说这是一切发展的根本
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because it explains 80 percent of survival.
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因为经济是生存的基础
15:47
Governance. To have a government which functions --
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其次是政府职能,依托一个有效的政府
15:50
that's what brought California out of the misery of 1850.
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加利福尼亚成功的度过了 1850年的艰难时期
15:54
It was the government that made law function finally.
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而且政府职能是 有效司法体系的基础
15:58
Education, human resources are important.
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再然后是教育,人力资源非常重要
16:00
Health is also important, but not that much as a mean.
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健康也很重要 但不是发展必需的方法
16:04
Environment is important.
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环境也比较重要
16:06
Human rights is also important, but it just gets one cross.
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还有人权,但作为发展的方法,其分量不重
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Now what about goals? Where are we going toward?
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再看发展的目标,我们需要往什么方向发展
16:11
We are not interested in money.
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肯定不是金钱
16:13
Money is not a goal.
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经济发展是最好的发展途径 但不是发展的目标
16:14
It's the best mean, but I give it zero as a goal.
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经济发展是最好的发展途径 但不是发展的目标
16:18
Governance, well it's fun to vote in a little thing,
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也许有政府职能,能参加选举固然不错
16:21
but it's not a goal.
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但这不足以成为发展的目标
16:23
And going to school, that's not a goal, it's a mean.
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接受教育也不是目标,而是发展的途径
16:27
Health I give two points. I mean it's nice to be healthy
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健康得2分,因为健康的身体很重要
16:29
-- at my age especially -- you can stand here, you're healthy.
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尤其在我这个年龄还可以站在讲台上
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And that's good, it gets two plusses.
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所以健康得2分
16:33
Environment is very, very crucial.
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环境也非常重要
16:35
There's nothing for the grandkid if you don't save up.
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如果现在不保护环境 我们的子孙将一无所有
16:37
But where are the important goals?
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那么什么是最重要的发展目标呢
16:39
Of course, it's human rights.
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当然是人权了
16:41
Human rights is the goal,
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人权是发展的核心目标
16:43
but it's not that strong of a mean for achieving development.
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尽管这不是发展的必需途径
16:47
And culture. Culture is the most important thing, I would say,
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还有文化,我想把文化放在最重要的位置
16:51
because that's what brings joy to life.
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因为文化给我们的生活带来欢乐
16:53
That's the value of living.
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给生活赋予了意义
16:55
So the seemingly impossible is possible.
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看上去不可能的事情 是可能实现的
16:58
Even African countries can achieve this.
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即使是非洲也能做到
17:01
And I've shown you the shot where the seemingly impossible is possible.
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那些图表已经证明这一点,看上去不可能的事情是可能实现的
17:07
And remember, please remember my main message,
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这就是今天我的演讲最重要的内容
17:11
which is this: the seemingly impossible is possible.
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看上去不可能的事情 是可能实现的
17:14
We can have a good world.
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明天的世界会更美好
17:16
I showed you the shots, I proved it in the PowerPoint,
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在给你们展示了图表,还有幻灯片之后
17:19
and I think I will convince you also by culture.
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我要用最后的内容来说服你们,文化
17:25
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
17:29
(Applause)
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(掌声)
17:30
Bring me my sword!
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拿剑来!
17:36
Sword swallowing is from ancient India.
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吞剑表演
17:41
It's a cultural expression that for thousands of years
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古印度传承了上千年的传统表演
17:46
has inspired human beings to think beyond the obvious.
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这项表演一直激励着人们 去探索视野之外的世界
17:52
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
17:54
And I will now prove to you that the seemingly impossible is possible
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今天我也要证明给你们看,看上去不可能的事情是可能实现的
17:59
by taking this piece of steel -- solid steel --
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我将用这把铁剑,1850年的瑞典军用刺刀
18:03
this is the army bayonet from the Swedish Army, 1850,
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我将用这把铁剑,1850年的瑞典军用刺刀
18:06
in the last year we had war.
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(那年瑞典打完了最后一场战争)
18:09
And it's all solid steel -- you can hear here.
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大家可以听一下 货真价实
18:12
And I'm going to take this blade of steel,
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接着我会将这把铁剑
18:18
and push it down through my body of blood and flesh,
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穿过我这血肉之躯
18:23
and prove to you that the seemingly impossible is possible.
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从而向你们证明,看上去不可能的事情是可能实现的
18:28
Can I request a moment of absolute silence?
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请大家保持绝对的安静
18:43
(Applause)
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