Holly Morris: Why stay in Chernobyl? Because it's home.

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Prevodilac: Jelena Jevtić Lektor: Ivana Korom
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Three years ago, I was standing about a hundred yards
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Pre tri godine, stajala sam oko devedeset metara
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from Chernobyl nuclear reactor number four.
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od černobiljskog nuklearnog reaktora broj četiri.
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My Geiger counter dosimeter, which measures radiation,
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Gajgerov brojač, za merenje radijacije
00:22
was going berserk,
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je potpuno poludeo,
00:23
and the closer I got, the more frenetic it became,
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i što sam se više približavala,
00:27
and frantic. My God.
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kao da je pomahnitao. Moj bože.
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I was there covering the 25th anniversary
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Bila sam tamo zbog 25. godišnjice
00:32
of the world's worst nuclear accident,
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najgore nuklearne katastrofe,
00:35
as you can see by the look on my face,
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i kao što možete videti po izrazu mog lica,
00:37
reluctantly so, but with good reason,
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ne baš voljno, ali sa dobrim razlogom,
00:40
because the nuclear fire that burned for 11 days
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jer eksplozija koja je trajala 11 dana
00:44
back in 1986 released 400 times as much radiation
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te 1986. ispustila je 400 puta više radijacije
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as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima,
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nego bomba koja je bačena na Hirošimu,
00:50
and the sarcophagus, which is the covering
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i sarkofag, koji pokriva
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over reactor number four,
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reaktor broj četiri,
00:54
which was hastily built 27 years ago,
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koji je na brzinu napravljen pre 27 godina,
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now sits cracked and rusted
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sada je u pukotinama i rđi
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and leaking radiation.
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i propušta radijaciju.
01:01
So I was filming.
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I tako sam ja sve to snimala.
01:03
I just wanted to get the job done
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Samo sam želela da završim svoj posao
01:04
and get out of there fast.
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i da pobegnem odatle što pre.
01:07
But then, I looked into the distance,
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Ali, pogledala sam u daljinu,
01:09
and I saw some smoke coming from a farmhouse,
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i videla dim koji izlazi iz jedne kućice,
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and I'm thinking, who could be living here?
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i pomislila sam, da li je moguće da neko tamo živi?
01:15
I mean, after all, Chernobyl's soil, water and air,
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Jer černobiljska zemlja, voda i vazduh
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are among the most highly contaminated on Earth,
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su među najzagađenijim na Zemlji,
01:21
and the reactor sits at the the center of
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a i sam reaktor je smešten u centru
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a tightly regulated exclusion zone, or dead zone,
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strogo kontrolisane zone isključivosti ili mrtve zone;
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and it's a nuclear police state, complete with border guards.
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i tu je nuklerna policija, zajedno sa graničnom stražom.
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You have to have dosimeter at all times, clicking away,
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Sa sobom morate da imate dozimetar sve vreme, tik uz vas,
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you have to have a government minder,
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morate imati pratioca kojeg vam dodeljuje vlada,
01:34
and there's draconian radiation rules
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i tu su isto tako drakonska pravila koja se tiču radijacije
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and constant contamination monitoring.
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i stalan monitoring zagađenja.
01:41
The point being, no human being
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Poenta je da nijedno ljudsko biće
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should be living anywhere near the dead zone.
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ne treba da živi u blizini mrtve zone.
01:46
But they are.
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Ali oni žive.
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It turns out an unlikely community
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Ispostavilo se da neobična zajednica
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of some 200 people are living inside the zone.
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od nekih 200 ljudi živi unutar zone.
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They're called self-settlers.
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Nazvani su samo-naseljenicima.
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And almost all of them are women,
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I gotovo sve su žene,
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the men having shorter lifespans
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muškarci imaju kraći životni vek
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in part due to overuse of alcohol, cigarettes,
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delom i zbog korišćenja alkohola, cigareta,
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if not radiation.
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ako ne zbog radijacije.
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Hundreds of thousands of people were evacuated
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Stotine hiljada ljudi je evakuisano
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at the time of the accident,
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u vreme nesreće,
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but not everybody accepted that fate.
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ali nisu svi prihvatili tu sudbinu.
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The women in the zone, now in their 70s and 80s,
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Žene u zoni, sada u svojim 70-im i 80-im,
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are the last survivors of a group who defied authorities
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su poslednje preživele iz grupe koja je prkosila vlastima,
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and, it would seem, common sense,
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a kako izgleda, i zdravom razumu,
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and returned to their ancestral homes inside the zone.
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i koja se vratila u svoje porodične domove unutar zone.
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They did so illegally.
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To su uradile ilegalno.
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As one woman put it to a soldier
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Kako je jedna žena sročila,
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who was trying to evacuate her for a second time,
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vojniku koji je pokušao da je evakuiše po drugi put:
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"Shoot me and dig the grave.
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"Upucaj me i iskopaj grob.
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Otherwise, I'm going home."
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Inače, ja idem kući."
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Now why would they return to such deadly soil?
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I zašto bi se one uopšte vratile na takvu smrtonosnu zemlju?
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I mean, were they unaware of the risks
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Mislim, zar su bile nesvesne rizika
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or crazy enough to ignore them, or both?
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ili dovoljno lude, pa su ih ignorisale ili i jedno i drugo?
02:42
The thing is, they see their lives
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Stvar je u tome, što one vide svoje živote
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and the risks they run decidedly differently.
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i rizik pod kojim su, potpuno drugačije.
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Now around Chernobyl, there are scattered ghost villages,
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U okolini Černobilja, rasejana su napuštena sela,
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eerily silent, strangely charming, bucolic,
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sablasno tiha, čudno šarmantna, rustična,
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totally contaminated.
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potpuno kontaminirana.
02:56
Many were bulldozed under at the time of the accident,
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Većina je srušena posle nesreće,
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but a few are left like this,
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ali neka su ostavljena ovako,
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kind of silent vestiges to the tragedy.
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kao tihi tragovi nesreće.
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Others have a few residents in them,
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Druga imaju nekoliko stanovnika,
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one or two "babushkas," or "babas,"
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jedna ili dve babuške ili babe,
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which are the Russian and Ukrainian words for grandmother.
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to su ruske i ukrajinske reči za baku.
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Another village might have six or seven residents.
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Druga sela možda imaju šest ili sedam stanovnika.
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So this is the strange demographic of the zone --
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Tako da je ovo neobična demografija zone,
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isolated alone together.
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izolovani i potpuno sami, ali zajedno.
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And when I made my way to that piping chimney
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I kada sam pronašla put do tog dimnjaka
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I'd seen in the distance,
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koji sam videla u daljini,
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I saw Hanna Zavorotnya, and I met her.
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ugledala sam Hanu Zavorotnaju i upoznala sam se sa njom.
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She's the self-declared mayor of Kapavati village,
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Ona je sebe proglasila gradonačelnicom sela Kapavati,
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population eight.
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broj stanovnika - osam.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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And she said to me, when I asked her the obvious,
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I odgovorila mi je, kada sam je pitala očekivano,
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"Radiation doesn't scare me. Starvation does."
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"Radijacija me ne plaši. Glad me plaši."
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And you have to remember, these women have
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Zapamtite, ove žene
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survived the worst atrocities of the 20th century.
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su preživele najgora zverstva 20. veka.
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Stalin's enforced famines of the 1930s, the Holodomor,
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Staljinova prisilna gladovanja '30-ih, Holodomor,
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killed millions of Ukrainians,
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ubila su milione Ukrajinaca,
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and they faced the Nazis in the '40s,
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a suočile su se i sa Nacistima '40-ih,
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who came through slashing, burning, raping,
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gde su prošle kroz nasilje, spaljivanje, silovanja,
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and in fact many of these women
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i u stvari većina ovih žena
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were shipped to Germany as forced labor.
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je bila isporučena Nemačkoj na prinudni rad.
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So when a couple decades into Soviet rule,
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Tako da, kada se posle nekoliko decenija sovjetske vlasti
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Chernobyl happened,
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dogodio Černobilj,
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they were unwilling to flee in the face of an enemy
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one nisu želele da pobegnu pred licem neprijatelja
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that was invisible.
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koji je bio nevidljiv.
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So they returned to their villages
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Tako da su se vratile u svoja sela
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and are told they're going to get sick and die soon,
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iako im je rečeno da će se razboleti i umreti uskoro,
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but five happy years, their logic goes,
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ali pet srećnih godina, po njihovoj logici je
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is better than 10 stuck in a high rise
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bolje nego 10 provedenih
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on the outskirts of Kiev,
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negde na periferiji Kijeva,
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separated from the graves of their mothers
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daleko od grobova svojih majki
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and fathers and babies,
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i očeva i beba,
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the whisper of stork wings on a spring afternoon.
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šaptaja krila roda u prolećno popodne.
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For them, environmental contamination
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Za njih, zagađenost životne sredine
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may not be the worst sort of devastation.
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nije najgora vrsta uništavanja.
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It turns out this holds true
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Ispostavilo se da ovo važi
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for other species as well.
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i za druge vrste.
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Wild boar, lynx, moose, they've all returned
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Divlji vepar, ris, los, vratili su se
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to the region in force,
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u oblast koja je pod uticajem
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the very real, very negative effects of radiation
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veoma stvarnih i negativnih posledica radijacije,
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being trumped by the upside of a mass exodus
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ali manje negativnih zbog masovnog egzodusa
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of humans.
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ljudi.
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The dead zone, it turns out, is full of life.
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Mrtva zona je, ispostavilo se, prepuna života.
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And there is a kind of heroic resilience,
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I postoji neka vrsta herojske otpornosti,
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a kind of plain-spoken pragmatism to those
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i vrsta jednostavnog pragmatizma kod onih
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who start their day at 5 a.m.
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koji svoje dane počinju u 5 ujutru,
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pulling water from a well
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vadeći vodu iz bunara,
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and end it at midnight
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a završavaju u ponoć
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poised to beat a bucket with a stick
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neustrašivo udarajući štapovima o kofu
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and scare off wild boar that might mess with their potatoes,
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da bi oterali divlje veprove koji se možda muvaju oko njihovog krompira,
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their only company a bit of homemade moonshine vodka.
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njihovo jedino društvo je malo domaće vodke.
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And there's a patina of simple defiance among them.
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I još uvek postoji malo bledog prkosa među njima.
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"They told us our legs would hurt, and they do. So what?"
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"Rekli su da će nas boleti noge, i bole nas. Pa šta?"
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I mean, what about their health?
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I šta je, u stvari, sa njihovim zdravljem?
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The benefits of hardy, physical living,
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Prednosti teškog, fizičkog rada,
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but an environment made toxic
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ali u toksičnom okruženju koje je takvo
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by a complicated, little-understood enemy, radiation.
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zbog komplikovanog, malo razumljivog neprijatelja, radijacije.
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It's incredibly difficult to parse.
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Neverovatno je teško razlučiti.
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Health studies from the region
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Regionalne zdravstvene studije
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are conflicting and fraught.
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su konfliktne i zabrinjavajuće.
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The World Health Organization
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Svetska zdravstvena organizacija
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puts the number of Chernobyl-related deaths
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procenuje da smrtni ishodi koji su u vezi sa Černobiljem
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at 4,000, eventually.
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dolaze i do 4000.
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Greenpeace and other organizations
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Grinpis i druge organizacije
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put that number in the tens of thousands.
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smatraju da se brojke penju i na desetine hiljada.
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Now everybody agrees that thyroid cancers
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Svi se slažu da je rak tiroidne žlezde
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are sky high, and that Chernobyl evacuees
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neverovatno visok i da evakuisani iz Černobilja
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suffer the trauma of relocated peoples everywhere:
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pate od traume izazvane selidbom;
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higher levels of anxiety, depression, alcoholism,
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višeg nivoa anksioznosti, depresije, alkoholizma,
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unemployment and, importantly,
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nezaposlenosti i, još bitnije,
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disrupted social networks.
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poremećenih društvenih odnosa.
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Now, like many of you,
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Kao i većina vas,
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I have moved maybe 20, 25 times in my life.
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ja sam se selila možda 20, 25 puta u životu.
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Home is a transient concept.
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Dom meni predstavlja nešto privremeno.
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I have a deeper connection to my laptop
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Imam dublju vezu sa svojim laptopom
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than any bit of soil.
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nego sa nekim parčetom zemlje.
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So it's hard for us to understand, but home
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Tako da je nama teško da to razumemo, ali dom
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is the entire cosmos of the rural babushka,
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je ceo kosmos seoskim babuškama,
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and connection to the land is palpable.
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i veza koju imaju sa svojom zemljom se da osetiti.
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And perhaps because these Ukrainian women
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I možda, jer su ove Ukrajinke
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were schooled under the Soviets
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školovane pod Sovjetima
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and versed in the Russian poets,
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i uz stihove ruskih pesnika,
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aphorisms about these ideas
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aforizmi tih načela
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slip from their mouths all the time.
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stalno su na njihovim usnama.
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"If you leave, you die."
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"Ako odeš, umrećeš."
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"Those who left are worse off now.
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"Oni koji su otišli sada prolaze mnogo gore.
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They are dying of sadness."
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Oni umiru od tuge."
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"Motherland is motherland. I will never leave."
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"Domovina je domovina. Nikada neću otići."
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What sounds like faith, soft faith,
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To što to zvuči kao neubedljiva vera,
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may actually be fact,
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može, u stvari biti činjenica,
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because the surprising truth --
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jer iznenađujuća istina je da -
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I mean, there are no studies, but the truth seems to be
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mislim, nema studija o tome, ali istina leži u tome
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that these women who returned to their homes
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da te žene koje su se vratile u svoje domove
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and have lived on some of the most radioactive land
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i žive na možda najradioaktivnijoj zemlji
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on Earth for the last 27 years,
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na svetu u poslednjih 27 godina,
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have actually outlived their counterparts
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su u stvari, nadživele svoje sunarodnike
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who accepted relocation,
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koji su prihvatili iseljenje,
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by some estimates up to 10 years.
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po nekim proračunima i do 10 godina.
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How could this be?
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Kako je ovo moguće?
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Here's a theory: Could it be
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Evo teorije: da li je moguće da
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that those ties to ancestral soil,
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te spone sa zemljom predaka,
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the soft variables reflected in their aphorisms,
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ta ubeđenja koja se prenose aforizmima,
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actually affect longevity?
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u stvari prouzrukuju dugovečnost?
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The power of motherland
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Moć domovine
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so fundamental to that part of the world
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tako bitna u tom delu sveta
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seems palliative.
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izgleda da je umirujuća.
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Home and community are forces
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Dom i zajednica su sile
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that rival even radiation.
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koje se suprostavljaju čak i radijaciji.
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Now radiation or not,
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Bilo da radijacija postoji ili ne,
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these women are at the end of their lives.
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te žene su na samom kraju života.
07:58
In the next decade, the zone's human residents will be gone,
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U sledećoj deceniji, stanovnici ove zone će nestati,
08:02
and it will revert to a wild, radioactive place,
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i ponovo će postati napušteno, radioaktivno mesto,
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full only of animals and occasionally
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ispunjeno samo životinjama i povremeno
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daring, flummoxed scientists.
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smelim, malo zbunjenim naučnicima.
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But the spirit and existence of the babushkas,
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Ali duh i opstajanje babuški,
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whose numbers have been halved
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čiji se broj prepolovio
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in the three years I've known them,
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za ove tri godine koliko ih poznajem,
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will leave us with powerful new templates
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ostavlja nas sa nekim novim spoznajama
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to think about and grapple with,
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o kojima ćemo razmišljati i sa kojima ćemo se boriti,
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about the relative nature of risk,
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o relativnoj prirodi rizika,
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about transformative connections to home,
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o transformišućim vezama sa našim domom,
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and about the magnificent tonic
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o veličanstvenom okrepljenju
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of personal agency and self-determination.
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koje nam pruža lični stav i odlučnost.
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Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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