Dave Isay: Everyone around you has a story the world needs to hear

Translator: Lidija Zajec Reviewer: Nika Kotnik

Tonight, I'm going to try to make the case

Danes bom poskušal zagovarjati tezo,

that inviting a loved one, a friend or even a stranger

da je lahko povabilo ljubljeni osebi, prijatelju ali celo tujcu,

to record a meaningful interview with you

da z vami posname pomemben intervju,

just might turn out to be one of the most important moments in that person's life,

eden najpomembnejših trenutkov v življenju tega človeka

and in yours.

in tudi v vašem.

When I was 22 years old, I was lucky enough to find my calling

Pri 22ih letih sem imel srečo, da sem odkril svoje poslanstvo,

when I fell into making radio stories.

ko sem začel pisati radijske zgodbe.

At almost the exact same time,

Skoraj istočasno

I found out that my dad, who I was very, very close to, was gay.

sem izvedel, da je moj oče, s katerim sva si bila zelo blizu, gej.

I was taken completely by surprise.

To je bilo popolno presenečenje.

We were a very tight-knit family,

Bili smo si zelo blizu kot družina

and I was crushed.

in to me je popolnoma potrlo.

At some point, in one of our strained conversations,

V enem od najinih napetih pogovorov,

my dad mentioned the Stonewall riots.

je oče omenil Stonewallski upor.

He told me that one night in 1969,

Povedal mi je, da se je v neki noči leta 1969

a group of young black and Latino drag queens

skupina mladih temnopoltih in latino transvestitov

fought back against the police at a gay bar in Manhattan

uprla policiji v gejevskem baru na Manhattnu,

called the Stonewall Inn,

ki se je imenoval Stonewall Inn

and how this sparked the modern gay rights movement.

in kako je to zanetilo moderno gibanje za gejevske pravice.

It was an amazing story, and it piqued my interest.

Ta neverjetna zgodba je podžgala mojo radovednost.

So I decided to pick up my tape recorder and find out more.

Odločil sem se, da vzamem svoj snemalnik in poskusim izvedeti kaj več.

With the help of a young archivist named Michael Shirker,

S pomočjo mladega arhivarja Michaela Shirkerja

we tracked down all of the people we could find

sem izsledil vse ljudi, ki jih je bilo moč najti,

who had been at the Stonewall Inn that night.

ki so bili tisto noč v baru Stonwall Inn.

Recording these interviews,

Ko sem snemal intervjuje z njimi,

I saw how the microphone gave me the license

sem videl, kako mi mikrofon omogoča,

to go places I otherwise never would have gone

da grem na lokacije, ki jih sicer nikoli ne bi obiskal

and talk to people I might not otherwise ever have spoken to.

in da govorim z ljudmi, s katerimi drugače ne bi nikoli govoril.

I had the privilege of getting to know

Imel sem privilegij spoznati

some of the most amazing, fierce and courageous human beings

nekaj najbolj zanimivih, prodornih in pogumnih ljudi,

I had ever met.

kar sem jih kdajkoli srečal.

It was the first time the story of Stonewall

To je bilo prvič, da je bila zgodba Stonewalla

had been told to a national audience.

povedana na nacionalnem nivoju.

I dedicated the program to my dad,

Oddajo sem posvetil svojemu očetu,

it changed my relationship with him, and it changed my life.

kar je spremenilo najin odnos in moje življenje.

Over the next 15 years, I made many more radio documentaries,

V naslednjih 15ih letih sem posnel še veliko radijskih dokumentarcev.

working to shine a light on people who are rarely heard from in the media.

Želel sem osvetliti življenja ljudi, o katerih se v medijih le redko govori.

Over and over again,

Vedno znova

I'd see how this simple act of being interviewed

sem doživel, kako lahko preprosto dejanje intervjuja

could mean so much to people,

pomeni zelo veliko ljudem,

particularly those who had been told that their stories didn't matter.

zlasti tistim, ki so jim govorili, da njihove zgodbe niso pomembne.

I could literally see people's back straighten

Dobesedno sem videl, kako so se vzravnali,

as they started to speak into the microphone.

ko so pričeli govoriti v mikrofon.

In 1998, I made a documentary about the last flophouse hotels

Leta 1998 sem naredil dokumentarec o zadnjih cenenih hotelih

on the Bowery in Manhattan.

ulice Bowery na Manhetnu.

Guys stayed up in these cheap hotels for decades.

Nekateri so živeli v teh poceni hotelih že desetletja.

They lived in cubicles the size of prison cells

Živeli so v kabinah velikosti zaporniške celice,

covered with chicken wire

pregrajenih z jekleno žico,

so you couldn't jump from one room into the next.

da nisi mogel skočiti iz ene v drugo sobo.

Later, I wrote a book on the men with the photographer Harvey Wang.

Pozneje sem s fotografom Harveyem Wangom napisal knjigo o teh ljudeh.

I remember walking into a flophouse with an early version of the book

Spomnim se, ko sem prišel tja z osnutkom knjige

and showing one of the guys his page.

in pokazal enemu od stanovalcev stran, ki mu je bila posvečena.

He stood there staring at it in silence,

V tišini je stal tam in jo gledal,

then he grabbed the book out of my hand

potem je porabil knjigo iz mojih rok

and started running down the long, narrow hallway

in stekel po dolgem, ozkem hodniku.

holding it over his head

S knjigo nad glavo

shouting, "I exist! I exist."

je vpil: "Obstajam, obstajam!"

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

In many ways, "I exist" became the clarion call for StoryCorps,

Na več načinov je ta "Obstajam" postal imperativ, ki je privedel do StoryCorpsa,

this crazy idea that I had a dozen years ago.

ideje, ki sem jo dobil pred desetletjem.

The thought was to take documentary work

Moja zamisel je bila, da bi običajno dokumentarno delo

and turn it on its head.

postavil na glavo.

Traditionally, broadcast documentary

Tradicionalno so predvajali dokumentarce,

has been about recording interviews to create a work of art or entertainment

ki so intervjuvali protagoniste z namenom ustvarjati umetnost ali zabavo,

or education that is seen or heard by a whole lot of people,

ali izobraževanje, ki je splošno dostopno veliko ljudem,

but I wanted to try something

jaz pa sem hotel poskusiti

where the interview itself was the purpose of this work,

nov model, kjer je intervju sam namen dela

and see if we could give many, many, many people the chance

in ugotoviti ali lahko damo mnogo ljudem možnost

to be listened to in this way.

da bi bili slišani na ta način.

So in Grand Central Terminal 11 years ago,

Tako smo na postaji Grand Central pred enajstimi leti

we built a booth where anyone can come to honor someone else

zgradili kabino, kjer je kdorkoli lahko prišel in počastil nekoga

by interviewing them about their life.

tako, da ga je intervjuval o njegovem življenju.

You come to this booth and you're met by a facilitator who brings you inside.

Prideš v kabino, kjer te sprejme moderator.

You sit across from, say, your grandfather

Usedeš se nasproti, na primer, svojega starega očeta

for close to an hour and you listen and you talk.

za približno uro in poslušaš in govoriš.

Many people think of it as, if this was to be our last conversation,

Mnogo ljudi gleda na to tako: Če bi bil to najin zadnji pogovor

what would I want to ask of and say to this person

kaj bi hotel vprašati in kaj povedati tej osebi,

who means so much to me?

ki mi toliko pomeni?

At the end of the session, you walk away with a copy of the interview

Ob koncu dogodka, odideš s posnetkom pogovora,

and another copy goes to the American Folklife Center

drug izvod pa gre Ameriškemu narodopisnemu centru

at the Library of Congress

pri Kongresni knjižnici,

so that your great-great-great-grandkids can someday get to know your grandfather

da bodo lahko vaši pra-pra-pra pravnuki nekega dne spoznali vašega starega očeta

through his voice and story.

skozi njegov glas in njegovo zgodbo.

So we open this booth in one of the busiest places in the world

To kabino smo odprli v enem najbolj hektičnih mest na svetu

and invite people to have this incredibly intimate conversation

in povabili ljudi na te neverjetno intimne pogovore

with another human being.

z drugim človeškim bitjem.

I had no idea if it would work, but from the very beginning, it did.

Sanjalo se mi ni, če bo ideja delovala, pa je, že od vsega začetka.

People treated the experience with incredible respect,

Ljudje so izkušnjo doživeli z veliko mero spoštovanja

and amazing conversations happened inside.

in neverjetni pogovori so se zgodili znotraj kabine.

I want to play just one animated excerpt

Rad bi vam zavrtel animiran odlomek

from an interview recorded at that original Grand Central Booth.

intervjuja, posnetega v originalni kabini na postaji Grand Central.

This is 12-year-old Joshua Littman interviewing his mother, Sarah.

Slišali boste 12 letnega Joshuo Littmana, ki intervjuva svojo mamo, Saro.

Josh has Asperger's syndrome.

Josh ima aspergerjev sindrom.

As you may know, kids with Asperger's are incredibly smart

Kot morda veste, so ti otroci neverjetno inteligentni,

but have a tough time socially.

niso pa spretni v socialnih situacijah.

They usually have obsessions.

Ponavadi imajo obsesije.

In Josh's case, it's with animals,

V Joshovem primeru so to živali.

so this is Josh talking with his mom Sarah

To je torej Josh, ki se pogovarja s svojo mamo Saro

at Grand Central nine years ago.

na Grand Centralu, pred devetimi leti.

(Video) Josh Littman: From a scale of one to 10,

(Video) Josh Littman: Na lestvici od ena do deset,

do you think your life would be different without animals?

ali misliš, da bi bilo tvoje življenje drugačno brez živali?

Sarah Littman: I think it would be an eight without animals,

Sara Littman: mislim, da bi izbrala osmico brez živali,

because they add so much pleasure to life.

saj dodajo veliko veselja življenju.

JL: How else do you think your life would be different without them?

JL: Na kakšen način bi bilo tvoje življenje drugačno brez njih?

SL: I could do without things like cockroaches and snakes.

SL: Lahko bi živela na primer brez ščurkov in kač.

JL: Well, I'm okay with snakes as long as they're not venomous

JL: Meni so kače v redu, če niso strupene

or constrict you or anything.

in če te ne zadavijo.

SL: Yeah, I'm not a big snake person --

SL: Jaz nisem prav navdušena nad njimi.

JL: But cockroach is just the insect we love to hate.

JL: Ščurek pa je le insekt, ki ga radi sovražimo.

SL: Yeah, it really is.

SL: Ja, prav res.

JL: Have you ever thought you couldn't cope with having a child?

JL: Si kdaj pomislila, da ne boš zmogla, ko si dobila otroka?

SL: I remember when you were a baby, you had really bad colic,

SL: Spomnim se, ko si bil dojenček in si imel hude trebušne krče

so you would just cry and cry.

in nisi in nisi nehal jokati.

JL: What's colic? SL: It's when you get this stomach ache

JL: Kaj so krči? SL: To je, ko te zelo boli trebuh

and all you do is scream for, like, four hours.

in potem samo kričiš, tudi po več ur.

JL: Even louder than Amy does?

JL: Še glasneje, kot kriči Amy?

SL: You were pretty loud, but Amy's was more high-pitched.

SL: Bil si precej glasen, Amy pa ima bolj predirljiv jok.

JL: I think it feels like everyone seems to like Amy more,

JL: Zdi se mi, da imajo vsi raje Amy,

like she's the perfect little angel.

kot bi bila popolni mali angelček.

SL: Well, I can understand why you think that people like Amy more,

SL: Razumem, zakaj se ti zdi, da imajo ljudje raje Amy.

and I'm not saying it's because of your Asperger's syndrome,

Ne pravim, da je to zaradi tvojega Aspergerjevega sindroma,

but being friendly comes easily to Amy,

ampak Amy je lažje biti prijazna,

whereas I think for you it's more difficult,

zate pa se zdi, da je to težje.

but the people who take the time to get to know you love you so much.

Toda ljudje, ki si vzamejo čas, da te spoznajo, te imajo zelo radi.

JL: Like Ben or Eric or Carlos? SL: Yeah --

JL: Kot na primer Ben, Erik ali Carlos? SL: Ja --

JL: Like I have better quality friends but less quantity? (Laughter)

JL: Imam boljšo kvaliteto prijateljev in manjšo kvantiteto? (Smeh)

SL: I wouldn't judge the quality, but I think --

SL: Ne bi sodila o kvaliteti, ampak mislim--

JL: I mean, first it was like, Amy loved Claudia, then she hated Claudia,

JL: Amy, na primer, ima rada Klavdijo, potem je ne mara,

she loved Claudia, then she hated Claudia.

pa jo ima spet rada in je spet ne mara.

SL: Part of that's a girl thing, honey.

SL: To je bolj stvar deklic, srček.

The important thing for you is that you have a few very good friends,

Pomembno zate je, da imaš nekaj res dobrih prijateljev,

and really that's what you need in life.

to je pravzaprav vse kar potrebuješ v življenju.

JL: Did I turn out to be the son you wanted when I was born?

JL: Ali sem postal sin, ki si ga hotela, ko sem se rodil?

Did I meet your expectations?

Ali sem dosegel tvoja pričakovanja?

SL: You've exceeded my expectations, sweetie,

SL: Presegel si moja pričakovanja, srček.

because, sure, you have these fantasies of what your child's going to be like,

Seveda imaš neke predstave o tem, kakšen bo tvoj otrok,

but you have made me grow so much as a parent, because you think --

toda ti si me prisilil, da sem se morala preseči kot starš, saj misliš--

JL: Well, I was the one who made you a parent.

JL: No, saj sem te jaz naredil za starša.

SL: You were the one who made me a parent. That's a good point. (Laughter)

SL: Zaradi tebe sem postala starš. Imaš prav. (Smeh)

But also because you think differently

Ampak tudi, ker razmišljaš drugače,

from what they tell you in the parenting books,

kot te učijo knjige o starševstvu,

I really had to learn to think outside of the box with you,

sem se morala naučiti razmišljati izven svojih običajnih okvirjev;

and it's made me much more creative as a parent and as a person,

tako sem postala veliko bolj kreativna kot starš in kot oseba.

and I'll always thank you for that.

Vedno ti bom hvaležna za to.

JL: And that helped when Amy was born?

JL: Ti je to pomagalo, ko si rodila Amy?

SL: And that helped when Amy was born, but you are so incredibly special to me

SL: To je pomagalo, ko se je rodila Amy. Ti si zame tako nekaj posebnega;

and I'm so lucky to have you as my son.

veliko srečo imam, da si moj sin.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

David Isay: After this story ran on public radio,

David Isay: Ko je bila ta zgodba predvajana na radiu,

Josh received hundreds of letters

je Josh prejel stotine pisem,

telling him what an amazing kid he was.

ki so govorila, kako krasen otrok je.

His mom, Sarah, bound them together in a book,

Njegova mama Sara je iz njih naredila knjigo

and when Josh got picked on at school, they would read the letters together.

in ko so se otroci v šoli spravili na Josha, sta jih skupaj brala.

I just want to acknowledge that two of my heroes

Rad bi povedal, da sta oba junaka zgodbe

are here with us tonight.

danes z nami.

Sarah Littman and her son Josh, who is now an honors student in college.

Sara Littman in njen sin Josh, ki je zdaj odličen učenec na kolidžu.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

You know, a lot of people talk about crying when they hear StoryCorps stories,

Veliko ljudi pove, da jokajo, ko poslušajo zgodbe StoryCorpsa,

and it's not because they're sad.

pa to ni zato, ker so zgodbe žalostne.

Most of them aren't.

Večina jih ni.

I think it's because you're hearing something authentic and pure

Mislim, da je to zato, ker slišijo nekaj pristnega in čistega

at this moment, when sometimes it's hard to tell

v tem času, ko včasih težko ločimo

what's real and what's an advertisement.

kaj je res in kaj je le marketing.

It's kind of the anti-reality TV.

Na nek način je to anti-resničnostni šov.

Nobody comes to StoryCorps to get rich.

Nihče ne pride v StoryCorps, da bi obogatel.

Nobody comes to get famous.

Nihče ne pride, da bi postal slaven.

It's simply an act of generosity and love.

Gre preprosto za dejanje velikodušnosti in ljubezni.

So many of these are just everyday people

Večina je povsem navadnih ljudi,

talking about lives lived with kindness, courage, decency and dignity,

ki govorijo o življenjih, živetih s prijaznostjo, pogumom in dostojanstvom

and when you hear that kind of story,

in ko slišiš tako zgodbo

it can sometimes feel like you're walking on holy ground.

imaš včasih občutek, da hodiš po sveti zemlji.

So this experiment in Grand Central worked,

Eksperiment na Grand Centralu je torej deloval,

and we expanded across the country.

zato smo se razširili po vsej deželi.

Today, more than 100,000 people in all 50 states

Danes je že več kot 100.000 ljudi v vseh petdesetih državah

in thousands of cities and towns across America

in tisočih mestih po celi Ameriki

have recorded StoryCorps interviews.

posnelo StoryCorps intervjuje.

It's now the largest single collection of human voices ever gathered.

To je trenutno največja obstoječa zbirka človeških glasov.

(Applause)

(Aplavz)

We've hired and trained hundreds of facilitators

Najeli in usposobili smo stotine moderatorjev,

to help guide people through the experience.

ki pomagajo in vodijo ljudi skozi to izkušnjo.

Most serve a year or two with StoryCorps

Večina na StoryCorpsu dela leto ali dve,

traveling the country, gathering the wisdom of humanity.

potujejo po deželi in zbirajo modrosti človeštva.

They call it bearing witness,

Temu pravijo pričevanje

and if you ask them,

in če jih boste vprašali,

all of the facilitators will tell you that the most important thing

vam bodo povedali, da je najpomembnejša stvar,

they've learned from being present during these interviews

ki so se jo naučili ob pričevanju tem intervjujem

is that people are basically good.

to, da so ljudje v osnovi dobri.

And I think for the first years of StoryCorps, you could argue

V prvih letih delovanja StoryCorpsa bi lahko temu oporekali,

that there was some kind of a selection bias happening,

češ da obstaja neka pristranska selekcija,

but after tens of thousands of interviews with every kind of person

ampak po deset tisočih intervjujev z vsemi mogočimi ljudmi,

in every part of the country --

v vsakem koncu dežele--

rich, poor, five years old to 105,

bogati, revni, od pet do stopetletnikov,

80 different languages, across the political spectrum --

80 različnih jezikov, različna politična prepričanja --

you have to think that maybe these guys are actually onto something.

si moramo priznati, da imajo morda ti ljudje prav.

I've also learned so much from these interviews.

Tudi sam sem se ogromno naučil iz teh intervjujev.

I've learned about the poetry and the wisdom and the grace

O poeziji, o modrosti in o milosti,

that can be found in the words of people all around us

ki jo najdemo v besedah ljudi okoli nas,

when we simply take the time to listen,

ko si preprosto vzamemo čas za poslušanje.

like this interview

Kot na primer ta intervju

between a betting clerk in Brooklyn named Danny Perasa

med uradnikom iz Brooklyna, Dannyjem Perasem,

who brought his wife Annie to StoryCorps to talk about his love for her.

ki je pripeljal svojo ženo Annie, da bi ji povedal o svoji ljubezni do nje.

(Audio) Danny Perasa: You see, the thing of it is,

(Avdio) Danny Perasa: Veš, takole je:

I always feel guilty when I say "I love you" to you.

Vedno se počutim krivega, ko ti rečem "ljubim te."

And I say it so often. I say it to remind you

In pogosto ti to povem. Povem ti zato, da te spomnim,

that as dumpy as I am, it's coming from me.

da ne glede na to, kako nemaren sem, to prihaja iz mene.

It's like hearing a beautiful song from a busted old radio,

Je kot bi slišal krasno pesem iz starega, hreščečega radia

and it's nice of you to keep the radio around the house.

in lepo od tebe je, da si obdržala ta star radio.

Annie Perasa: If I don't have a note on the kitchen table,

Annie Perasa: Če ne najdem sporočila na kuhinjski mizi,

mislim, da je nekaj narobe.

I think there's something wrong.

You write a love letter to me every morning.

Vsako jutro mi napišeš ljubezensko pismo.

DP: Edina stvar, ki bi lahko šla narobe,

DP: Well, the only thing that could possibly be wrong

bi bila, da nisem našel kulija.

is I couldn't find a silly pen.

AP: Moji princesi:

AP: To my princess:

Zunaj močno dežuje.

The weather outside today is extremely rainy.

Poklical te bom ob 11:20.

I'll call you at 11:20 in the morning.

DP: It's a romantic weather report.

DP: Romantična vremenska napoved.

AP: And I love you. I love you. I love you.

AP: Ljubim te. Ljubim te. Ljubim te.

DP: When a guy is happily married, no matter what happens at work,

DP: Ko je nekdo srečno poročen, ni važno kaj se zgodi v službi,

no matter what happens in the rest of the day,

ni važno, kaj se zgodi v preostanku dneva;

there's a shelter when you get home,

doma ga čaka zatočišče,

there's a knowledge knowing that you can hug somebody

ve, da lahko nekoga objame,

without them throwing you downstairs and saying, "Get your hands off me."

ne da bi ga ta oseba zavrnila s "Pusti me na miru."

Being married is like having a color television set.

Biti poročen je kot bi imel barvno televizijo.

You never want to go back to black and white.

Nikoli več nočeš črno-bele.

(Laughter)

(Smeh)

DI: Danny was about five feet tall

DI: Danny je imel približno meter in pol,

with crossed eyes and one single snaggletooth,

je škilil in imel le en kriv zob,

but Danny Perasa had more romance in his little pinky

toda Danny Perasa je premogel več romantike v svojem mezincu,

than all of Hollywood's leading men put together.

kot vsi holivudski lepotci skupaj.

What else have I learned?

Kaj sem se še naučil?

I've learned about the almost unimaginable capacity

Naučil sem se o skoraj nepredstavljivi sposobnosti

for the human spirit to forgive.

odpuščanja človeškega duha.

I've learned about resilience and I've learned about strength.

Naučil sem se o vzdržljivosti in o moči.

Like an interview with Oshea Israel and Mary Johnson.

Na primer pri intervjuju med Osheo Israelom in Mary Johnson.

When Oshea was a teenager, he murdered Mary's only son,

Ko je bil Oshea najstnik, je ubil Maryjinega edinega sina,

Laramiun Byrd, in a gang fight.

Laramiuna Byrda, v uličnem pretepu.

A dozen years later, Mary went to prison

Desetletje kasneje je Mary šla v zapor,

to meet Oshea and find out who this person was

da bi spoznala Osheo in ugotovila kdo je ta oseba,

who had taken her son's life.

ki je vzela življenje njenemu sinu.

Slowly and remarkably, they became friends,

Počasi in proti pričakovanjem sta postala prijatelja.

and when he was finally released from the penitentiary,

Ko je bil končno izpuščen iz zapora,

Oshea actually moved in next door to Mary.

se je Oshea nastanil poleg Maryjinega doma.

This is just a short excerpt of a conversation they had

To je le kratek izsek pogovora, ki sta ga imela

soon after Oshea was freed.

kmalu po tem, ko je bil Oshea izpuščen.

(Video) Mary Johnson: My natural son is no longer here.

(Video) Mary Johnson: Mojega sina ni več tu.

I didn't see him graduate, and now you're going to college.

Nisem ga videla diplomirati, zdaj pa greš ti na kolidž.

I'll have the opportunity to see you graduate.

Imela bom možnost videti tebe diplomirati.

I didn't see him get married.

Nisem doživela njegove poroke.

Hopefully one day, I'll be able to experience that with you.

Upam, da bom nekega dne lahko to izkusila pri tebi.

Oshea Israel: Just to hear you say those things and to be

Oshea Israel: Samo da slišim te tvoje besede, in da si

in my life in the manner in which you are is my motivation.

v mojem življenju na ta način, je zame motivacija.

It motivates me to make sure that I stay on the right path.

Motivira me, da se trudim ostati na pravi poti.

You still believe in me,

Še vedno verjameš vame

and the fact that you can do it despite how much pain I caused you,

in da si zmožna tega, ne glede na vso bolečino, ki sem ti jo povzročil,

it's amazing.

je neverjetno.

MJ: I know it's not an easy thing to be able to share our story together,

MJ: Vem, da ni lahko skupaj deliti najino zgodbo,

even with us sitting here looking at each other right now.

celo ko zdaj tu sediva in se gledava.

I know it's not an easy thing, so I admire that you can do this.

Vem, da ni lahko in te občudujem, ker to zmoreš.

OI: I love you, lady. MJ: I love you too, son.

OI: Rad te imam, gospa. MJ: Tudi jaz te imam rada, sin.

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DI: And I've been reminded countless times of the courage and goodness of people,

DI: Neštetokrat so me intervjuji spomnili na pogum in dobroto ljudi

and how the arc of history truly does bend towards justice.

in na to, kako se tok zgodovine vedno usmeri proti pravičnosti.

Like the story of Alexis Martinez, who was born Arthur Martinez

Kot zgodba Alexis Martinez, ki se je rodila kot Arthur Martinez

in the Harold Ickes projects in Chicago.

v naselju projekta Harold Ickes v Chicagu.

In the interview, she talks with her daughter Lesley

V intervjuju govori s hčerko Lesley

about joining a gang as a young man,

o tem, kako se je kot mlad fant pridružila tolpi

and later in life transitioning into the woman she was always meant to be.

in kako je kasneje v življenju spremenila spol in postala ženska.

This is Alexis and her daughter Lesley.

To sta Alexis in njena hči Lesley.

(Audio) Alexis Martinez: One of the most difficult things for me was

(Avdio) Alexis Martinez: Ena najtežjih stvari zame je bil

I was always afraid that I wouldn't be allowed

strah, da ne bom imela dovoljenja

to be in my granddaughters' lives,

biti prisotna v življenju svojih vnukinj,

and you blew that completely out of the water,

toda ti si ta strah povsem ovrgla.

you and your husband.

Ti in tvoj mož.

One of the fruits of that is, in my relationship with my granddaughters,

En od rezultatov tega v mojem odnosu z vnukinjami je,

they fight with each other sometimes over whether I'm he or she.

da se včasih kregajo med sabo, če sem ona ali on.

Lesley Martinez: But they're free to talk about it.

Lesley Martinez: Ampak prosto lahko govorijo o tem.

AM: They're free to talk about it, but that, to me, is a miracle.

AM: Lahko govorijo o tem, ampak zame je to pravi čudež.

LM: You don't have to apologize. You don't have to tiptoe.

LM: Ni se ti treba opravičevati in biti previdna glede besed.

We're not going to cut you off, and that's something I've always

Ne bomo te izločili. To je nekaj, kar sem vedno

wanted you to just know, that you're loved.

želela da veš: da si ljubljena.

AM: You know, I live this every day now.

AM: Veš, zdaj to živim vsak dan.

I walk down the streets as a woman, and I really am at peace with who I am.

Hodim po ulicah kot ženska in res sem pomirjena s tem kdo sem.

I mean, I wish I had a softer voice maybe,

Mogoče si želim, da bi imela nežnejši glas,

but now I walk in love and I try to live that way every day.

ampak zdaj živim v ljubezni in tako skušam živeti vsak dan.

DI: Now I walk in love.

DI: Zdaj živim v ljubezni.

I'm going to tell you a secret about StoryCorps.

Povedal vam bom skrivnost o StoryCorpsu.

It takes some courage to have these conversations.

Potrebno je nekaj poguma, da imamo take pogovore.

StoryCorps speaks to our mortality.

StoryCorps nagovarja našo umrljivost.

Participants know this recording will be heard long after they're gone.

Udeleženci vedo, da bodo ti posnetki slišani dolgo po tem, ko jih več ne bo.

There's a hospice doctor named Ira Byock

Zdravnik Ira Byock, ki dela v hospicu,

who has worked closely with us on recording interviews

je sodeloval z nami in snemal intervjuje

with people who are dying.

z umirajočimi.

He wrote a book called "The Four Things That Matter Most"

Napisal je knjigo z naslovom "Štiri najpomembnejše stvari"

about the four things you want to say to the most important people in your life

o štirih stvareh, ki jih želiš reči najpomembnejšim ljudem v tvojem življenju

before they or you die:

pred smrtjo:

thank you, I love you,

hvala, rad te imam,

forgive me, I forgive you.

odpusti mi, odpuščam ti.

They're just about the most powerful words we can say to one another,

To so najmočnejše besede, ki jih lahko izrečemo en drugemu

and often that's what happens in a StoryCorps booth.

in to se pogosto zgodi v kabini StoryCorpsa.

It's a chance to have a sense of closure with someone you care about --

Občutek možnosti dokončanja odnosa z nekom, ki nam je drag --

no regrets, nothing left unsaid.

nič obžalovanj, nič neizrečenega.

And it's hard and it takes courage,

Je težko in zahteva pogum,

but that's why we're alive, right?

toda zato smo živi, kajne?

So, the TED Prize.

Torej, TED nagrada.

When I first heard from TED and Chris a few months ago

Ko me je prvič kontaktiral TED in Chris pred meseci

about the possibility of the Prize, I was completely floored.

glede možnosti nagrade, sem bil povsem prevzet.

They asked me to come up with a very brief wish for humanity,

Prosili so me, da napišem kratko željo za človeštvo,

no more than 50 words.

ne več kot 50 besed.

So I thought about it, I wrote my 50 words,

Premislil sem in napisal teh 50 besed

and a few weeks later, Chris called and said, "Go for it."

in nekaj tednov kasneje me je poklical Chris in mi dal zeleno luč.

So here is my wish:

Tu je moja želja:

that you will help us

Da bi nam pomagali

take everything we've learned through StoryCorps

razširiti vse, kar smo se naučili skozi StoryCorps

and bring it to the world

na cel svet.

so that anyone anywhere can easily record a meaningful interview

Da bi lahko vsak kjerkoli z lahkoto posnel pomemben intervju

with another human being which will then be archived for history.

z drugim človeškim bitjem, ki bo potem arhiviran za prihodnje rodove.

How are we going to do that? With this.

Kako bomo to dosegli? S tem.

We're fast moving into a future where everyone in the world

Hitimo v prihodnost, kjer bo imel vsak na svetu

will have access to one of these,

dostop do enega od teh,

and it has powers I never could have imagined 11 years ago

ki imajo moč, ki si je niti predstavljati nisem mogel pred enajstimi leti,

when I started StoryCorps.

ko smo začeli s StoryCorpsom.

It has a microphone,

Ima mikrofon,

it can tell you how to do things,

lahko ti da navodila

and it can send audio files.

in lahko pošilja glasovne datoteke.

Those are the key ingredients.

To so osnovne sestavine.

So the first part of the wish is already underway.

Prvi del želje je tako že v teku.

Over the past couple of months,

V zadnjih mesecih

the team at StoryCorps has been working furiously

je ekipa StoryCorpsa zagnano razvijala

to create an app that will bring StoryCorps out of our booths

aplikacijo, ki bo pripeljala StoryCorps ven iz kabin,

so that it can be experienced by anyone, anywhere, anytime.

da ga bo lahko izkusil kdorkoli, kjerkoli, kadarkoli.

Remember, StoryCorps has always been two people and a facilitator

Spomnite se, SoryCorps je vedno predstavljal dva človeka in moderatorja,

helping them record their conversation, which is preserved forever,

ki jima je pomagal posneti pogovor, ki se ga bo hranilo za vse čase.

but at this very moment,

Toda prav zdaj

we're releasing a public beta version of the StoryCorps app.

izdajamo beta verzijo StoryCorps aplikacije.

The app is a digital facilitator that walks you through

Ta aplikacija deluje kot moderator, ki te vodi skozi

the StoryCorps interview process,

proces StoryCorps intervjuja,

helps you pick questions,

ti pomaga izbrati vprašanja

and gives you all the tips you need

in ti ponuja nasvete, ki jih potrebuješ,

to record a meaningful StoryCorps interview,

da posnameš pomemben StoryCorps intervju,

and then with one tap upload it to our archive at the Library of Congress.

potem pa ga zgolj s pritiskom tipke arhiviraš v Kongresni knjižnici.

That's the easy part, the technology.

To je lažji del naloge, tehnologija.

The real challenge is up to you:

Pravi izziv pa ostaja vam:

to take this tool and figure out how we can use it

da izkoristite to orodje in ugotovite, kako ga lahko uporabimo

all across America and around the world,

po vsej Ameriki in po vsem svetu,

so that instead of recording thousands of StoryCorps interviews a year,

da bo namesto tisoče posnetih StoryCorp intervjujev letno,

we could potentially record tens of thousands

potencialno posnetih deset tisoče

or hundreds of thousands

ali stotine tisočev

or maybe even more.

in morda celo več.

Imagine, for example, a national homework assignment

Predstavljaje si, na primer, nacionalno domačo nalogo,

where every high school student studying U.S. history across the country

kjer bi moral vsak študent ameriške zgodovine po celi državi

records an interview with an elder over Thanksgiving,

posneti intervju s starejšo osebo ob zahvalnem dnevu.

so that in one single weekend

Tako bi bila v enem samem vikendu

an entire generation of American lives and experiences are captured.

zajeta ameriška življenja in izkušnje celotne generacije.

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Or imagine mothers on opposite sides of a conflict somewhere in the world

Predstavljajte si matere na nasprotnih straneh konflikta nekje na svetu,

sitting down not to talk about that conflict

ki bi se usedle k pogovoru, pa ne da bi govorile o konfliktu,

but to find out who they are as people,

pač pa, da bi ugotovile, kdo so ti ljudje

and in doing so, begin to build bonds of trust;

in bi na ta način pričele graditi vezi zaupanja;

or that someday it becomes a tradition all over the world

ali pa, da bi nekoč postala tradicija po vsem svetu,

that people are honored with a StoryCorps interview

da bi se ljudi počastilo s StoryCorps intervjujem

on their 75th birthday;

na njihov 75 rojstni dan;

or that people in your community

ali pa, da bi ljudje v vaši skupnosti

go into retirement homes or hospitals or homeless shelters or even prisons

šli v domove za ostarele, v bolnišnice ali v zavetišča za brezdomce, v zapore

armed with this app to honor the people least heard in our society

opremljeni s to aplikacijo in počastili ljudi, ki sicer niso slišani,

and ask them who they are, what they've learned in life,

jih povprašali kdo so, kaj so se naučili v življenju

and how they want to be remembered.

in kako želijo, da se jih spominjamo.

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Ten years ago, I recorded a StoryCorps interview with my dad

Pred desetimi leti sem posnel StoryCorps intervju s svojim očetom,

who was a psychiatrist, and became a well-known gay activist.

ki je bil psihiater in je postal znan gejevski aktivist.

This is the picture of us at that interview.

To je najina slika ob tistem intervjuju.

I never thought about that recording until a couple of years ago,

Nikoli nisem mislil na ta intervju, do pred nekaj leti,

when my dad, who seemed to be in perfect health

ko je moj oče, za katerega se je zdelo, da je popolnoma zdrav,

and was still seeing patients 40 hours a week,

ki je še vedno sprejemal paciente 40 ur na teden,

was diagnosed with cancer.

dobil diagnozo raka.

He passed away very suddenly a few days later.

Le nekaj dni za tem je povsem nenadno umrl.

It was June 28, 2012,

Bil je 28. junij 2012,

the anniversary of the Stonewall riots.

obletnica Stonewallskega upora.

I listened to that interview for the first time at three in the morning

Ta intervju sem prvič poslušal ob treh zjutraj

on the day that he died.

na dan, ko je umrl.

I have a couple of young kids at home,

Doma imam majhna otroka

and I knew that the only way they were going to get to know this person

in vedel sem, da je edini način, da bosta lahko spoznala to osebo,

who was such a towering figure in my life would be through that session.

ki je bila tako ključna v mojem življenju, skozi ta posnet pogovor.

I thought I couldn't believe in StoryCorps any more deeply than I did,

Mislil sem, da ne morem še bolj verjeti v StoryCorps,

but it was at that moment

ampak v tistem trenutku sem

that I fully and viscerally grasped the importance of making these recordings.

v vsej polnosti in z vsem svojim bitjem občutil pomembnost teh posnetkov.

Every day, people come up to me

Vsak dan prihajajo k meni ljudje,

and say, "I wish I had interviewed my father or my grandmother or my brother,

ki mi pravijo: "Želim si, da bi intervjuval očeta ali babico ali brata,

but I waited too long."

pa sem čakal predolgo."

Now, no one has to wait anymore.

Zdaj ni treba nikomur več čakati.

At this moment,

V tem času,

when so much of how we communicate is fleeting and inconsequential,

ko je toliko komunikacije bežne in nepomembne,

join us in creating this digital archive

vas vabimo k skupnemu ustvarjanju digitalnega arhiva

of conversations that are enduring and important.

pogovorov, ki so trajni in pomembni.

Help us create this gift to our children,

Pomagajte nam ustvariti to darilo za naše otroke,

this testament to who we are as human beings.

ta testament vsemu, kar smo kot človeška bitja.

I hope you'll help us make this wish come true.

Upam, da nam boste pomagali izpolniti to željo.

Interview a family member, a friend or even a stranger.

Intervjuvajte člana družine, prijatelja ali celo tujca.

Together, we can create an archive of the wisdom of humanity,

Skupaj lahko ustvarimo arhiv modrosti človeštva

and maybe in doing so,

in morda se bomo na ta način

we'll learn to listen a little more and shout a little less.

naučili bolj poslušati in manj kričati.

Maybe these conversations will remind us what's really important.

Morda nas bodo ti pogovori spomnili na to, kar je zares pomembno.

And maybe, just maybe,

In morda, samo morda

it will help us recognize that simple truth

nam bo to pomagalo prepoznati preprosto resnico,

that every life, every single life,

ki pravi, da je vsako življenje, prav vsako

matters equally and infinitely.

enako in neskončno pomembno.

Thank you very much.

Najlepša hvala.

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Thank you. Thank you.

Hvala. Hvala.

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Thank you.

Hvala.

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