Dave Isay: Everyone around you has a story the world needs to hear

譯者: Xiaoya Song 審譯者: Marssi Draw

Tonight, I'm going to try to make the case

今晚，我想試著說服各位

that inviting a loved one, a friend or even a stranger

邀請一位愛人、朋友， 甚至是陌生人，

to record a meaningful interview with you

來和你錄製一段有意義的訪談，

just might turn out to be one of the most important moments in that person's life,

這段對話可能會成為 對方或是你的一生中

and in yours.

非常重要的時刻。

When I was 22 years old, I was lucky enough to find my calling

我很幸運在 22 歲的時候 發現自己的天職，

when I fell into making radio stories.

當時我投入製作廣播故事。

At almost the exact same time,

幾乎就在同一時間，

I found out that my dad, who I was very, very close to, was gay.

我發現我的爸爸， 那個我非常非常親密的人，

是個同性戀。

I was taken completely by surprise.

我驚訝不已。

We were a very tight-knit family,

我們是非常親密的家庭。

and I was crushed.

我幾乎崩潰了。

At some point, in one of our strained conversations,

在一次正式的家庭談話中，

my dad mentioned the Stonewall riots.

我爸爸提到了石牆暴動。

He told me that one night in 1969,

他告訴我，1969 年的某一晚，

a group of young black and Latino drag queens

一群年輕黑人和拉丁裔男性的扮裝皇后

fought back against the police at a gay bar in Manhattan

在曼哈頓的同性戀酒吧 和警察發生了衝突，

called the Stonewall Inn,

那個酒吧，叫做石牆旅館。

and how this sparked the modern gay rights movement.

他還說這場活動如何 鼓舞現代同性戀權利運動。

It was an amazing story, and it piqued my interest.

這是個很棒的故事， 它激起了我的興趣，

So I decided to pick up my tape recorder and find out more.

於是我決定拿起我的錄音機 去挖掘更多故事。

With the help of a young archivist named Michael Shirker,

在一位年輕檔案員 麥克．舍克的幫助下，

we tracked down all of the people we could find

我們找到所有能找到的當事人，

who had been at the Stonewall Inn that night.

那些當晚去過石牆旅館的人們。

Recording these interviews,

在記錄訪談的過程中，

I saw how the microphone gave me the license

我發現麥克風給予我一種權利，

to go places I otherwise never would have gone

讓我能去從沒想過要去的地方，

and talk to people I might not otherwise ever have spoken to.

和我從來不會談話的人交流。

I had the privilege of getting to know

我得到了一種特權，

some of the most amazing, fierce and courageous human beings

去了解我一生中 見過最了不起、狂熱，

和富有勇氣的人們。

I had ever met.

It was the first time the story of Stonewall

那是第一次，石牆暴動的故事

had been told to a national audience.

得到全國人民關注。

I dedicated the program to my dad,

我把這個節目歸功於我的父親，

it changed my relationship with him, and it changed my life.

這件事改變了我們的關係， 也改變了我的人生。

Over the next 15 years, I made many more radio documentaries,

在接下來的 15 年裡， 我錄了很多廣播節目，

working to shine a light on people who are rarely heard from in the media.

給予在媒體上很少發言的人 訴說故事的機會。

Over and over again,

一次又一次，

I'd see how this simple act of being interviewed

我看到這個簡單接受訪談的行為

could mean so much to people,

能帶給那些人非常大的意義，

particularly those who had been told that their stories didn't matter.

尤其是對那些認為 自己的故事不值一提的人們。

I could literally see people's back straighten

我確實看見大家挺直後背，

as they started to speak into the microphone.

開始對著麥克風傾訴。

In 1998, I made a documentary about the last flophouse hotels

1998 年，我紀錄了 最後幾間廉價旅館，

on the Bowery in Manhattan.

在曼哈頓的包釐街。

Guys stayed up in these cheap hotels for decades.

那些人住在這種 便宜的旅館裡數十年。

They lived in cubicles the size of prison cells

他們住在斗室裡， 和牢房差不多大，

covered with chicken wire

覆蓋著鐵絲網，

so you couldn't jump from one room into the next.

所以你不能從一間房間 跳進另一間房間。

Later, I wrote a book on the men with the photographer Harvey Wang.

後來我寫了關於這群人的一本書， 和攝影師王哈維合作。

I remember walking into a flophouse with an early version of the book

我記得走進一間廉價旅館， 手裡拿著這本書的初版，

給其中一人看有他的那一頁。

and showing one of the guys his page.

He stood there staring at it in silence,

他站在那裡安靜的盯著那一頁，

then he grabbed the book out of my hand

然後從我手中奪走那本書，

and started running down the long, narrow hallway

快速跑過長長的窄廊，

高舉著書

holding it over his head

shouting, "I exist! I exist."

大喊：「我存在這裡！ 我存在這裡！」

（掌聲）

(Applause)

In many ways, "I exist" became the clarion call for StoryCorps,

在很多方面，「我存在這裡」 成為故事公司號召的話語，

this crazy idea that I had a dozen years ago.

我在 12 年前有了一個瘋狂想法，

這個想法是，用紀實作品

The thought was to take documentary work

and turn it on its head.

徹底改變紀實作品。

傳統意義上，廣播紀實

Traditionally, broadcast documentary

has been about recording interviews to create a work of art or entertainment

一向只是透過紀錄訪談

製做藝術、娛樂或教育用途的作品，

or education that is seen or heard by a whole lot of people,

會有很多人收看、收聽，

but I wanted to try something

但是我想嘗試

where the interview itself was the purpose of this work,

讓訪談就是作品本身，

看看能不能讓很多、很多人

and see if we could give many, many, many people the chance

有機會以此方式被聆聽。

to be listened to in this way.

So in Grand Central Terminal 11 years ago,

因此 11 年前， 我們在紐約大中央車站

搭起一個小房間， 每個人都能進來訪問另一個人，

we built a booth where anyone can come to honor someone else

讓他們述說自己的生命故事， 以此來榮耀他們。

by interviewing them about their life.

You come to this booth and you're met by a facilitator who brings you inside.

你們來到這個小房間， 會見到一位解說員帶你們進來，

You sit across from, say, your grandfather

你和你的爺爺面對面坐下，

for close to an hour and you listen and you talk.

接下來將近一小時， 你傾聽或者訴說。

Many people think of it as, if this was to be our last conversation,

很多人會想像， 如果這是我們最後一次對話，

what would I want to ask of and say to this person

我會想對這個對我意義非凡的人

問些什麼、說些什麼？

who means so much to me?

At the end of the session, you walk away with a copy of the interview

在結束的時候， 你能拿走訪談的備份音檔，

and another copy goes to the American Folklife Center

另外會有一份寄到 美國國家民俗中心，

at the Library of Congress

在國會圖書館內，

所以你的曾曾曾孫 某天可以透過聲音和故事，

so that your great-great-great-grandkids can someday get to know your grandfather

了解他的祖父。

through his voice and story.

So we open this booth in one of the busiest places in the world

所以我們在世界上數一數二繁忙的地方 設立這個小房間，

and invite people to have this incredibly intimate conversation

邀請人們和另一個人 來進行一場非常親密的對話，

with another human being.

I had no idea if it would work, but from the very beginning, it did.

我不知道能不能成功， 但是從一開始，它就成功了。

大家充滿敬意地面對這次經歷，

People treated the experience with incredible respect,

and amazing conversations happened inside.

許多令人驚訝的對話 就在小房間裡展開。

I want to play just one animated excerpt

我想播放一段動畫，

引用在中央車站小房間裡的錄音訪談。

from an interview recorded at that original Grand Central Booth.

This is 12-year-old Joshua Littman interviewing his mother, Sarah.

這是一位 12 歲的男孩約書亞．立特曼 訪問他的媽媽莎拉。

Josh has Asperger's syndrome.

約書亞有亞斯伯格症，

As you may know, kids with Asperger's are incredibly smart

但如你所知， 亞斯伯格症患童通常聰穎過人，

but have a tough time socially.

但難以與他人社交。

They usually have obsessions.

他們通常會沉溺於某種事物，

In Josh's case, it's with animals,

對於約書亞來說，是動物。

so this is Josh talking with his mom Sarah

這是約書亞和他的媽媽莎拉，

at Grand Central nine years ago.

九年前在大中央車站的談話。

(Video) Josh Littman: From a scale of one to 10,

（影片）約書亞．立特曼： 從 1 到 10 來評分，

do you think your life would be different without animals?

你覺得如果世界上沒動物， 生活會多不同？

Sarah Littman: I think it would be an eight without animals,

莎拉．立特曼：我覺得會是 8。

because they add so much pleasure to life.

因為動物帶給我們太多歡樂和喜悅。

JL: How else do you think your life would be different without them?

約書亞：你的生活還會有什麼不同？

SL: I could do without things like cockroaches and snakes.

莎拉：我可以接受沒有蟑螂和蛇的世界。

JL: Well, I'm okay with snakes as long as they're not venomous

約書亞：嗯，我可以接受有蛇， 只要蛇沒毒，

or constrict you or anything.

或是不會纏住你之類的。

SL: Yeah, I'm not a big snake person --

莎拉：好吧，我並不喜歡蛇…

JL: But cockroach is just the insect we love to hate.

約書亞：但是所有人都會討厭蟑螂。

莎拉：是的，這是真的。

SL: Yeah, it really is.

JL: Have you ever thought you couldn't cope with having a child?

約書亞：你有沒有過 對小孩無能為力的時候？

SL: I remember when you were a baby, you had really bad colic,

莎拉：哈，我記得當你還小的時候 有很嚴重的腹絞痛，

so you would just cry and cry.

所以你哭個不停。

JL: What's colic? SL: It's when you get this stomach ache

約書亞：什麼是腹絞痛？ 莎拉：就是胃痛。

然後你就會尖叫， 說不定有四小時。

and all you do is scream for, like, four hours.

JL: Even louder than Amy does?

約書亞：甚至比艾米叫得都大聲？

SL: You were pretty loud, but Amy's was more high-pitched.

莎拉：你真的叫很大聲， 但是艾米的叫聲更尖銳一點。

JL: I think it feels like everyone seems to like Amy more,

約書亞：我覺得大家都比較喜歡艾米。

就像她是個完美的小天使一樣。

like she's the perfect little angel.

SL: Well, I can understand why you think that people like Amy more,

莎拉：好吧，我可以理解為什麼 你會覺得大家都比較喜歡艾米。

and I'm not saying it's because of your Asperger's syndrome,

但我不是要說這是 因為你有亞斯伯格症，

but being friendly comes easily to Amy,

而是因為大家對艾米好比較簡單，

whereas I think for you it's more difficult,

不過我想對你就會比較難。

but the people who take the time to get to know you love you so much.

但是那些花時間了解你的人 都很愛你。

JL: Like Ben or Eric or Carlos? SL: Yeah --

約書亞：比如阿班、艾瑞克或是查爾斯？ 莎拉：是的──

JL: Like I have better quality friends but less quantity? (Laughter)

約書亞：意思是我的朋友品質較好， 但是數量比較少？（笑聲）

SL: I wouldn't judge the quality, but I think --

莎拉：我不會評論朋友品質的問題，但是…

JL: I mean, first it was like, Amy loved Claudia, then she hated Claudia,

約書亞：我的意思是一開始 艾米很愛小婭，後來又討厭小婭，

她愛小婭，然後又討厭小婭。

she loved Claudia, then she hated Claudia.

莎拉：部分原因就是女孩子氣，親愛的。

SL: Part of that's a girl thing, honey.

The important thing for you is that you have a few very good friends,

重要的是，你有一些很要好的朋友，

他們才是你人生中不可或缺的一部分。

and really that's what you need in life.

JL: Did I turn out to be the son you wanted when I was born?

約書亞：我出生的時候 是你夢想中的兒子嗎？

Did I meet your expectations?

我有達到你的期待嗎？

SL: You've exceeded my expectations, sweetie,

莎拉：你的優秀已經 遠遠超出我的期望了，親愛的。

因為，當然，你會對自己的小孩 有一些不切實際的想法，

because, sure, you have these fantasies of what your child's going to be like,

but you have made me grow so much as a parent, because you think --

但是你幫助我成為一個稱職的家長， 因為你想──

JL: Well, I was the one who made you a parent.

約書亞：好吧，我是讓你 變成家長的那個人。

SL: You were the one who made me a parent. That's a good point. (Laughter)

莎拉：你是讓我變成家長的人， 說的沒錯。（笑聲）

但也因為你的想法與眾不同，

But also because you think differently

和我在父母指導手冊上 學到的東西不同，

from what they tell you in the parenting books,

I really had to learn to think outside of the box with you,

所以我有時候需要 跳出常規來思考，

and it's made me much more creative as a parent and as a person,

而這讓我成為 更創新的母親和成人，

and I'll always thank you for that.

我會永遠因此而感激你。

約書亞：這點有沒有在 艾米出生之後幫上忙？

JL: And that helped when Amy was born?

SL: And that helped when Amy was born, but you are so incredibly special to me

莎拉：有。但是你對我而言太特別了，

我真的很開心能有你這樣的兒子。

and I'm so lucky to have you as my son.

（掌聲）

(Applause)

David Isay: After this story ran on public radio,

大衛：這個故事在廣播上 播出來的時候，

Josh received hundreds of letters

約書亞收到了上千封信，

告訴他，他是多麼棒的孩子。

telling him what an amazing kid he was.

His mom, Sarah, bound them together in a book,

他的媽媽，莎拉， 把這些信做成一本書，

and when Josh got picked on at school, they would read the letters together.

當約書亞放學的時候， 他們會一起讀那些信。

I just want to acknowledge that two of my heroes

我想要告訴大家，這兩位英雄

are here with us tonight.

今晚就和我們一起坐在台下。

Sarah Littman and her son Josh, who is now an honors student in college.

莎拉和她的兒子約書亞， 他現在是大學榮譽學生。

（掌聲）

(Applause)

You know, a lot of people talk about crying when they hear StoryCorps stories,

很多人說他們聽故事公司的故事會哭，

and it's not because they're sad.

不是因為悲傷，

大部分不是。

Most of them aren't.

I think it's because you're hearing something authentic and pure

我覺得是因為你所傾聽的 是真實而純粹的情感，

尤其是現在，因為有時候你很難分辨

at this moment, when sometimes it's hard to tell

what's real and what's an advertisement.

什麼是真實的，而什麼只是廣告。

這就像是一種反真人實境秀的節目。

It's kind of the anti-reality TV.

Nobody comes to StoryCorps to get rich.

沒有人會來故事公司賺大錢，

Nobody comes to get famous.

沒有人為了變有名而來，

It's simply an act of generosity and love.

只是出於慷慨和愛的舉動。

So many of these are just everyday people

很多參與者都只是普通人，

talking about lives lived with kindness, courage, decency and dignity,

講述他們充滿善意、勇氣、 禮貌和尊嚴的生活，

and when you hear that kind of story,

當你聽到這種故事的時候，

it can sometimes feel like you're walking on holy ground.

有時候會覺得自己走在聖地上。

So this experiment in Grand Central worked,

這個實驗在中央車站成功了，

and we expanded across the country.

於是我們拓展到整個國家。

Today, more than 100,000 people in all 50 states

目前，有超過十萬人，來自 50 州，

in thousands of cities and towns across America

在成千上萬個城市和鄉鎮

have recorded StoryCorps interviews.

錄製故事公司的訪談。

It's now the largest single collection of human voices ever gathered.

這是有史以來 數量最多的人類錄音收藏。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

We've hired and trained hundreds of facilitators

我們僱用、訓練了上千名解說員，

to help guide people through the experience.

引導大家講出他們的故事，

Most serve a year or two with StoryCorps

很多人會在故事公司工作一兩年，

traveling the country, gathering the wisdom of humanity.

走遍全國，收集人類的智慧結晶。

They call it bearing witness,

他們稱此為「見證」。

and if you ask them,

如果你問他們，

all of the facilitators will tell you that the most important thing

所有的解說員都會說 他們在訪談現場學到

they've learned from being present during these interviews

最重要的東西，

is that people are basically good.

是人性本善。

And I think for the first years of StoryCorps, you could argue

我回憶起故事公司的頭幾年，

that there was some kind of a selection bias happening,

你會覺得在選擇中絕對會有偏見，

but after tens of thousands of interviews with every kind of person

但是在幾萬個訪談過後， 遇到了各種各樣的人，

in every part of the country --

在國內各地，

無論是富裕、貧窮、5 歲或 105 歲，

rich, poor, five years old to 105,

80 different languages, across the political spectrum --

80 種不同語言、跨越政治光譜，

你就會覺得也許這些人 其實都置身在某個地方。

you have to think that maybe these guys are actually onto something.

我也從這些訪談中學到了很多很多，

I've also learned so much from these interviews.

I've learned about the poetry and the wisdom and the grace

我學到了每個人心中都有

that can be found in the words of people all around us

一份詩意、智慧和優雅，

when we simply take the time to listen,

而我們只需要花點時間聆聽。

like this interview

像是這個訪談，

他是布魯克林的一位彩票投注員， 丹尼．帕瑞薩，

between a betting clerk in Brooklyn named Danny Perasa

who brought his wife Annie to StoryCorps to talk about his love for her.

他帶妻子到故事公司， 告訴她他有多麼愛她。

(Audio) Danny Perasa: You see, the thing of it is,

（播音）丹尼：重點是

I always feel guilty when I say "I love you" to you.

每次我對你說「我愛你」 都有罪惡感。

我常這樣對你說是為了提醒你，

And I say it so often. I say it to remind you

that as dumpy as I am, it's coming from me.

儘管我看起來又矮又醜， 但我是真心的。

It's like hearing a beautiful song from a busted old radio,

這就像從破爛收音機裡 聽到動人的歌。

and it's nice of you to keep the radio around the house.

你願意讓「收音機」放在房裡真好。

Annie Perasa: If I don't have a note on the kitchen table,

安妮．帕瑞薩： 如果我沒在餐桌上看到便條，

我會覺得不對勁。

I think there's something wrong.

You write a love letter to me every morning.

你每天早晨都會寫情書給我。

DP: Well, the only thing that could possibly be wrong

丹尼：嗯，問題只會出在

我找不到那可惡的筆。

is I couldn't find a silly pen.

安妮：『給我的公主：

AP: To my princess:

今天外面下著大雨。

The weather outside today is extremely rainy.

我會在早晨 11 點 20 分 打電話給你。』

I'll call you at 11:20 in the morning.

丹尼：這是浪漫的氣象報導。

DP: It's a romantic weather report.

AP: And I love you. I love you. I love you.

安妮：我愛你。我愛你。我愛你。

DP: When a guy is happily married, no matter what happens at work,

丹尼：如果有人婚姻幸福， 不管工作多麼不順，

no matter what happens in the rest of the day,

不管那一天有多麼不順，

there's a shelter when you get home,

家總是一個避難的港灣。

there's a knowledge knowing that you can hug somebody

你知道你可以擁抱一個人，

而不會被扔下樓梯， 還被罵：「把你的手拿開！」

without them throwing you downstairs and saying, "Get your hands off me."

Being married is like having a color television set.

結婚就像擁有彩色電視機，

You never want to go back to black and white.

你永遠不會想看黑白電視了。

(Laughter)

（笑聲）

DI: Danny was about five feet tall

大衛：丹尼大概 150 公分高，

with crossed eyes and one single snaggletooth,

眼睛斜視，還有一顆暴牙。

but Danny Perasa had more romance in his little pinky

但是丹尼．帕瑞薩小小的身體裡 每個毛孔都充斥著浪漫，

甚至比好萊塢電影所有男主角 加在一起都要多。

than all of Hollywood's leading men put together.

What else have I learned?

我還學到了什麼？

我還學到人類不可思議的

I've learned about the almost unimaginable capacity

for the human spirit to forgive.

寬恕雅量。

我學到了韌性，我學到了力量。

I've learned about resilience and I've learned about strength.

Like an interview with Oshea Israel and Mary Johnson.

比如歐詩亞．伊薩瑞爾 和瑪麗．強生的訪談。

When Oshea was a teenager, he murdered Mary's only son,

歐詩亞還是青少年的時候， 在幫派鬥毆中

謀殺了瑪麗的獨子 ──拉瑞米爾．拜德。

Laramiun Byrd, in a gang fight.

12 年後，瑪麗去監獄

A dozen years later, Mary went to prison

to meet Oshea and find out who this person was

會見歐詩亞，看看是誰

who had taken her son's life.

奪走她兒子性命。

雖然很慢，但驚人的是， 他們成為了朋友。

Slowly and remarkably, they became friends,

and when he was finally released from the penitentiary,

歐詩亞出獄之後

Oshea actually moved in next door to Mary.

就搬到瑪麗隔壁，當她的鄰居。

This is just a short excerpt of a conversation they had

這段簡短的訪談節錄自

soon after Oshea was freed.

歐詩亞剛被釋放的時候。

(Video) Mary Johnson: My natural son is no longer here.

（播音）瑪麗．強生： 我的親兒子已經不在了。

我沒機會看他畢業， 但現在你要去上大學了，

I didn't see him graduate, and now you're going to college.

I'll have the opportunity to see you graduate.

我會有機會看到你畢業。

I didn't see him get married.

我沒有看到他結婚，

Hopefully one day, I'll be able to experience that with you.

但是，我希望， 有一天我可以看到你結婚。

Oshea Israel: Just to hear you say those things and to be

歐詩亞．伊薩瑞爾： 你剛剛所說的話，

in my life in the manner in which you are is my motivation.

和你在我生命中扮演的角色， 都深深激勵著我。

It motivates me to make sure that I stay on the right path.

它激勵我讓我走在人生的正軌上。

You still believe in me,

儘管我帶給你極大的痛苦，

and the fact that you can do it despite how much pain I caused you,

你一直信任著我，

真是不可思議。

it's amazing.

瑪麗：我知道對我們兩個來說 分享彼此的故事，

MJ: I know it's not an easy thing to be able to share our story together,

甚至只是靜靜坐在這裡看對方， 都不是件容易的事。

even with us sitting here looking at each other right now.

I know it's not an easy thing, so I admire that you can do this.

所以我很佩服你能夠和我坐在這裡。

OI: I love you, lady. MJ: I love you too, son.

歐詩亞：我愛你，女士。 瑪麗：我也愛你，孩子。

（掌聲）

(Applause)

大衛：我一次又一次 看到人們的善良和勇氣，

DI: And I've been reminded countless times of the courage and goodness of people,

and how the arc of history truly does bend towards justice.

還有歷史的天平是如何 傾向正義的那一邊。

Like the story of Alexis Martinez, who was born Arthur Martinez

就像出生在芝加哥 哈羅德．伊克斯計畫區，

原名是亞瑟的亞里斯．馬丁尼茲。

in the Harold Ickes projects in Chicago.

In the interview, she talks with her daughter Lesley

在她的訪談中，她告訴女兒雷思麗

about joining a gang as a young man,

她年輕時以男兒身加入黑社會，

and later in life transitioning into the woman she was always meant to be.

並且後來變成自己理想中的女人。

This is Alexis and her daughter Lesley.

這是亞里斯和她的女兒雷思麗。

(Audio) Alexis Martinez: One of the most difficult things for me was

（播音）亞里斯．馬丁尼茲： 對於我來說非常困難的是

I was always afraid that I wouldn't be allowed

我一直恐懼有一天你們會不准我

to be in my granddaughters' lives,

和孫女一起生活，

因為你和你的丈夫

and you blew that completely out of the water,

you and your husband.

讓我的願望徹底破滅了。

One of the fruits of that is, in my relationship with my granddaughters,

惡果之一就是我和孫女們的關係，

they fight with each other sometimes over whether I'm he or she.

她們會和對方爭吵， 爭辯我到底是男的還是女的。

Lesley Martinez: But they're free to talk about it.

雷思麗：但是她們可以討論這個。

亞里斯：她們可以討論， 但那對我來說是個奇跡。

AM: They're free to talk about it, but that, to me, is a miracle.

雷思麗：你不用道歉， 你不用小心翼翼。

LM: You don't have to apologize. You don't have to tiptoe.

We're not going to cut you off, and that's something I've always

我們不會把你拒之門外，

我一直想讓你知道，我們都愛你。

wanted you to just know, that you're loved.

亞里斯：你知道， 我每天就這樣過生活。

AM: You know, I live this every day now.

I walk down the streets as a woman, and I really am at peace with who I am.

我每天用女人的身分在街上行走， 很平靜的做我自己。

I mean, I wish I had a softer voice maybe,

不過我希望能有更溫柔的聲音，

but now I walk in love and I try to live that way every day.

但是我現在被愛環繞著， 我希望能一直這樣下去。

DI: Now I walk in love.

大衛：現在我被愛環繞著。

I'm going to tell you a secret about StoryCorps.

我想告訴你們一個故事公司的秘密。

It takes some courage to have these conversations.

這些對話需要一些勇氣。

故事公司訴說我們的命運。

StoryCorps speaks to our mortality.

Participants know this recording will be heard long after they're gone.

參與者知道很多人會聽這些錄音， 哪怕他們已經不在了。

There's a hospice doctor named Ira Byock

臨終關懷醫生艾若．拜克

幫助我們錄下

who has worked closely with us on recording interviews

很多臨終病人的訪談。

with people who are dying.

他的著作《四件最重要的事情》

He wrote a book called "The Four Things That Matter Most"

是關於四件你最想告訴 你生命中最重要的人的事情，

about the four things you want to say to the most important people in your life

before they or you die:

在他們或者你離開這個世界之前：

thank you, I love you,

謝謝你、我愛你、

請原諒我、我原諒你了。

forgive me, I forgive you.

They're just about the most powerful words we can say to one another,

這些是我們能說出最有力量的話語，

and often that's what happens in a StoryCorps booth.

也通常是在故事公司的小房間裡 最常被說的話。

It's a chance to have a sense of closure with someone you care about --

這是一個對你關心的人 表達心意的機會，

讓你沒有遺憾、沒有未說出口的話。

no regrets, nothing left unsaid.

And it's hard and it takes courage,

但是這很困難，而且需要勇氣。

but that's why we're alive, right?

但這就是為什麼我們活著，不是嗎？

So, the TED Prize.

關於這個 TED 大獎，

When I first heard from TED and Chris a few months ago

幾個月前我第一次接到 TED 和克里斯的通知，

about the possibility of the Prize, I was completely floored.

他們說我有機會獲得 TED 大獎， 我大吃一驚。

They asked me to come up with a very brief wish for humanity,

他們請我為全人類 許一個非常簡短的願望，

少於 50 個字。

no more than 50 words.

So I thought about it, I wrote my 50 words,

所以我思考了一下， 寫了 50 個字。

and a few weeks later, Chris called and said, "Go for it."

幾週之後，克里斯 打電話給我說：「去做吧！」

So here is my wish:

我的願望是：

that you will help us

你會幫助我們

take everything we've learned through StoryCorps

將我們從故事公司學到的所有東西

and bring it to the world

傳播到世界的每一個角落，

so that anyone anywhere can easily record a meaningful interview

所以任何人在任何地方 都能輕易錄下

with another human being which will then be archived for history.

和另一個人的訪談， 這份音檔會在史上留存。

How are we going to do that? With this.

我們要怎麼做？ 用這個東西。

We're fast moving into a future where everyone in the world

我們快速邁向的未來世界

是每個人都能輕易取得手機的世界，

will have access to one of these,

and it has powers I never could have imagined 11 years ago

而且它擁有的力量

是 11 年前我剛創辦故事公司的時候 無法想像的。

when I started StoryCorps.

It has a microphone,

它有一個麥克風，

it can tell you how to do things,

來告訴你怎麼做，

and it can send audio files.

也可以傳送音檔。

Those are the key ingredients.

這些就是最重要的組成部分。

So the first part of the wish is already underway.

因此我的願望的第一部分 已經開始進行了。

Over the past couple of months,

在過去的幾個月裡，

the team at StoryCorps has been working furiously

故事公司的員工努力工作，

to create an app that will bring StoryCorps out of our booths

為了開發出一款應用程式， 讓故事公司突破小房間的限制，

so that it can be experienced by anyone, anywhere, anytime.

所以每個人可以在任何地方、 任何時間來記錄他們的故事。

Remember, StoryCorps has always been two people and a facilitator

記住，故事公司一直都只有 兩名員工和一名解說員

helping them record their conversation, which is preserved forever,

幫大家記錄他們的對話， 這段話會永遠保存下來，

but at this very moment,

但是在這個時候，

we're releasing a public beta version of the StoryCorps app.

我們會發布一款故事公司的 大眾版應用程式，

The app is a digital facilitator that walks you through

這個程式就是一個電子解說員

the StoryCorps interview process,

幫助你練習故事公司的訪談過程、

helps you pick questions,

選擇問題、

and gives you all the tips you need

給予你所有的指導，

to record a meaningful StoryCorps interview,

讓你記錄一段有意義的訪談，

and then with one tap upload it to our archive at the Library of Congress.

然後點一下就能上傳到 我們在國會圖書館的檔案處。

That's the easy part, the technology.

技術方面是很簡單的。

The real challenge is up to you:

真正困難的部分是你自己：

to take this tool and figure out how we can use it

找出我們可以怎麼讓這項工具

all across America and around the world,

推廣到全美、全世界，

so that instead of recording thousands of StoryCorps interviews a year,

如此一來，我們每年 不只能錄幾千則訪談，

we could potentially record tens of thousands

我們有機會能錄製幾萬、

幾十萬，

or hundreds of thousands

甚至更多則故事。

or maybe even more.

請想像也許有一項 遍行全國的家庭作業，

Imagine, for example, a national homework assignment

每一位學習美國歷史的中學生

where every high school student studying U.S. history across the country

records an interview with an elder over Thanksgiving,

都要在感恩節那天 錄製對長輩的訪談，

so that in one single weekend

所以在一個週末裡，

an entire generation of American lives and experiences are captured.

美國一整個世代的生活和經驗 就這樣記載下來了。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Or imagine mothers on opposite sides of a conflict somewhere in the world

或者想像在地球某個角落 爭吵的母親，

sitting down not to talk about that conflict

坐下來不是談論那件衝突的事，

but to find out who they are as people,

而是找出她們身而為人的價值，

並且透過這種方式， 建立起信任的橋樑；

and in doing so, begin to build bonds of trust;

也許有一天，這件事 會成為全世界的一種傳統，

or that someday it becomes a tradition all over the world

that people are honored with a StoryCorps interview

大家在 75 歲生日那天

透過接受故事公司的訪談 而獲得榮耀；

on their 75th birthday;

or that people in your community

或是你的社群夥伴

go into retirement homes or hospitals or homeless shelters or even prisons

在養老院、醫院、 收容所，甚至是監獄裡，

armed with this app to honor the people least heard in our society

拿著這個應用程式，表彰這些 社會上少有機會發聲的人群，

and ask them who they are, what they've learned in life,

問他們是誰、 他們在生活中學到了什麼，

and how they want to be remembered.

他們想如何被銘記。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Ten years ago, I recorded a StoryCorps interview with my dad

十年前，我和父親錄製了 一段故事公司的訪談，

who was a psychiatrist, and became a well-known gay activist.

他是精神病學家， 也是知名的同性戀支持者，

這是我們談話時的照片。

This is the picture of us at that interview.

I never thought about that recording until a couple of years ago,

我從未想過要這樣做， 直到幾年前，

when my dad, who seemed to be in perfect health

當時我爸看起來很健康，

and was still seeing patients 40 hours a week,

每週還看診 40 小時，

was diagnosed with cancer.

卻被診斷出得了癌症。

He passed away very suddenly a few days later.

幾天後他突然病逝。

It was June 28, 2012,

那天是 2012 年 6 月 28 日，

the anniversary of the Stonewall riots.

石牆暴動紀念日。

I listened to that interview for the first time at three in the morning

我第一次聽那段錄音 是在他去世那天，

on the day that he died.

凌晨三點鐘。

I have a couple of young kids at home,

我家有幾個小孩，

and I knew that the only way they were going to get to know this person

我知道唯一讓他們認識

who was such a towering figure in my life would be through that session.

這個我生命中意義非凡的人的方法， 就是聽我們談話。

I thought I couldn't believe in StoryCorps any more deeply than I did,

在那之前，我以為 我對故事公司的信仰已到極限，

but it was at that moment

但就在那一瞬間，

that I fully and viscerally grasped the importance of making these recordings.

我發自肺腑的感受到 製作這些錄音的重要性。

Every day, people come up to me

每天都有人來找我，

and say, "I wish I had interviewed my father or my grandmother or my brother,

對我說：「 我希望早就 訪問過我爸爸、祖母或哥哥了，

but I waited too long."

但是我等太久了。」

Now, no one has to wait anymore.

現在，沒人需要等待。

At this moment,

在此時此刻，

when so much of how we communicate is fleeting and inconsequential,

當我們不再珍惜 轉瞬即逝的交流的時刻，

join us in creating this digital archive

加入我們，為那些重要的訪談

of conversations that are enduring and important.

製作能長久保存的電子檔案庫，

Help us create this gift to our children,

幫我們為後代創造這個禮物，

this testament to who we are as human beings.

證明身為人類的我們是誰。

I hope you'll help us make this wish come true.

我希望你們能幫我實現這個願望。

Interview a family member, a friend or even a stranger.

訪談一位家人、朋友，甚至是陌生人。

Together, we can create an archive of the wisdom of humanity,

同心協力，我們就能創造 記錄人類智慧的檔案庫。

and maybe in doing so,

也許透過這個方式，

we'll learn to listen a little more and shout a little less.

我們能學會聆聽，少點責罵。

Maybe these conversations will remind us what's really important.

也許這些對話能提醒我們 什麼才是最重要的。

And maybe, just maybe,

也許，只是也許，

it will help us recognize that simple truth

會幫助我們看清簡單明瞭的事實，

that every life, every single life,

那就是每個生命，每一個生命

matters equally and infinitely.

都是平等且有無限的價值。

Thank you very much.

謝謝。

（掌聲）

(Applause)

Thank you. Thank you.

謝謝，謝謝。

(Applause)

（掌聲）

Thank you.

謝謝。

(Applause)

（掌聲）