Dave Isay: Everyone around you has a story the world needs to hear

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Tonight, I'm going to try to make the case

Večeras ću vam pokušati dokazati

that inviting a loved one, a friend or even a stranger

da pozivanje voljene osobe, prijatelja ili čak stranca

to record a meaningful interview with you

na snimanje značajnog razgovora sa vama

just might turn out to be one of the most important moments in that person's life,

može postati jedan od najvažnijih trenutaka u životu te osobe,

and in yours.

ali i u vašem.

When I was 22 years old, I was lucky enough to find my calling

Kada sam imao 22 godine, srećom sam pronašao svoje zvanje

when I fell into making radio stories.

kada sam se zaljubio u izradu priča za radio.

At almost the exact same time,

U skoro istom vremenu

I found out that my dad, who I was very, very close to, was gay.

sam saznao da je moj otac, s kojim sam bio iznimno blizak, bio gay.

I was taken completely by surprise.

Bio sam potpuno iznenađen.

We were a very tight-knit family,

Bili smo vrlo čvrsto povezana obitelj,

and I was crushed.

a ja sam bio slomljen.

At some point, in one of our strained conversations,

U nekom trenutku, vodili smo primoran razgovor,

my dad mentioned the Stonewall riots.

u kojem je spomenuo nerede u Stonewallu.

He told me that one night in 1969,

Rekao mi je da su se jedne noći 1969.

a group of young black and Latino drag queens

skupina mladih crnaca i latinaca transvestita

fought back against the police at a gay bar in Manhattan

suprotstavili policiji u Manhattanu u gay bircu

called the Stonewall Inn,

koji se zvao Stonewall Inn,

and how this sparked the modern gay rights movement.

i kako je to izazvalo moderne pokrete za prava gay populacije.

It was an amazing story, and it piqued my interest.

To je bila nevjerojatna priča koja je pobudila moj interes.

So I decided to pick up my tape recorder and find out more.

Zato sam odlučio uzeti moj kasetofon kako bi saznao više.

With the help of a young archivist named Michael Shirker,

Uz pomoć mladog arhivara Michaela Shrikera,

we tracked down all of the people we could find

ušli smo u trag svim ljudima koje smo mogli pronaći

who had been at the Stonewall Inn that night.

koji su bili u gostionici Stonewall Inn te noći.

Recording these interviews,

Snimajući te razgovore,

I saw how the microphone gave me the license

uvidio sam da mi je mikrofon dao mogućnost

to go places I otherwise never would have gone

da idem na mjesta gdje inače ne bih nikada mogao

and talk to people I might not otherwise ever have spoken to.

i da razgovaram s ljudima s kojima drugačije nikada ne bih mogao razgovarati.

I had the privilege of getting to know

Imao sam privilegiju upoznati

some of the most amazing, fierce and courageous human beings

neke od najnevjerojatnijih, žestokih i odvažnih ljudskih bića

I had ever met.

koje sam ikada upoznao.

It was the first time the story of Stonewall

To je bilo prvi put da je priča o Stonewallu

had been told to a national audience.

ispričana slušateljima iz cijele nacije.

I dedicated the program to my dad,

Posvetio sam program svojem ocu,

it changed my relationship with him, and it changed my life.

što je promijenilo moj odnos s njim, ali i moj život.

Over the next 15 years, I made many more radio documentaries,

Kroz sljedećih 15 godina, vodio sam još mnoge radio dokumentarce,

working to shine a light on people who are rarely heard from in the media.

radeći kako bi ljudima, koji su rijetko u medijima, omogućio da izađu na vidjelo.

Over and over again,

Opet i opet sam

I'd see how this simple act of being interviewed

vidio kako mala stvar, kao što je biti intervjuiran,

could mean so much to people,

može toliko puno značiti ljudima,

particularly those who had been told that their stories didn't matter.

pogotovo onima kojima je rečeno da njihove priče nisu važne.

I could literally see people's back straighten

Doslovno sam vidio ljude kako se ispravljaju

as they started to speak into the microphone.

kad su počeli pričati na mikrofon.

In 1998, I made a documentary about the last flophouse hotels

1998. godine, napravio sam dokumentarac o zadnjem jeftinom hotelu

on the Bowery in Manhattan.

u općini Bowery u Manhattanu.

Guys stayed up in these cheap hotels for decades.

Ti su ljudi živjeli desetljećima u tim jeftinim hotelima.

They lived in cubicles the size of prison cells

Živjeli su u odjelcima veličine zatvorskih ćelija

covered with chicken wire

prekrivene mrežama žice

so you couldn't jump from one room into the next.

koje su ih sprječavale da skoče iz jedne u drugu sobu.

Later, I wrote a book on the men with the photographer Harvey Wang.

Kasnije sam napisao knjigu o tim ljudima zajedno s fotografom Harvey Wangom.

I remember walking into a flophouse with an early version of the book

Sjećam se ulaska u jedan od jeftinih hotela s ranijom verzijom te knjige

and showing one of the guys his page.

pokazujući jednom od momaka stranicu posvećenu njemu.

He stood there staring at it in silence,

Stajao je, gledajući stranicu, u tišini,

then he grabbed the book out of my hand

te je oteo knjigu iz mojih ruku

and started running down the long, narrow hallway

i počeo trčati kroz dugi, uski hodnik

holding it over his head

držeći knjigu nad glavom

shouting, "I exist! I exist."

vičući "Ja postojim! Ja postojim."

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

In many ways, "I exist" became the clarion call for StoryCorps,

Na puno je načina izraz "Ja postojim" postao poziv na djelovanje StoryCorpsa,

this crazy idea that I had a dozen years ago.

ta luda ideja koju sam imao prije desetak godina.

The thought was to take documentary work

Zamisao je bila da uzmemo dokumentarni rad

and turn it on its head.

i da ga okrenemo naglavačke.

Traditionally, broadcast documentary

Tradicionalno, dokumentarno emitiranje

has been about recording interviews to create a work of art or entertainment

je bilo oko snimanja razgovora kako bi se stvorio rad umjetnosti ili zabave

or education that is seen or heard by a whole lot of people,

ili obrazovanja koje gledaju i slušaju velika skupina ljudi,

but I wanted to try something

ali htio sam pokušati nešto

where the interview itself was the purpose of this work,

gdje je sam razgovor svrha tog rada,

and see if we could give many, many, many people the chance

kako bih vidio da li možemo dati mnogim ljudima priliku

to be listened to in this way.

da ih se sluša na taj način.

So in Grand Central Terminal 11 years ago,

Tako smo u Grand Central Terminalu prije 11 godina,

we built a booth where anyone can come to honor someone else

izgradili govornicu gdje bilo tko može doći i dati počast nekom drugom

by interviewing them about their life.

vodeći s njima razgovor o njihovom životu.

You come to this booth and you're met by a facilitator who brings you inside.

Dođeš do govornice, i naiđeš na voditelja koji te dovede unutra.

You sit across from, say, your grandfather

I sjedneš nasuprot, na primjer, svog djeda

for close to an hour and you listen and you talk.

skoro sat vremena, te slušate i pričate.

Many people think of it as, if this was to be our last conversation,

Puno ljudi razmišlja, kada bi ovo bio moj zadnji razgovor s tom osobom,

what would I want to ask of and say to this person

što bih htio pitati i o čemu bih htio pričati s tom osobom

who means so much to me?

koja mi toliko puno znači.

At the end of the session, you walk away with a copy of the interview

Na kraju razgovora, odlaziš s kopijom tog razgovora,

and another copy goes to the American Folklife Center

a druga kopija ide American Folklife Center-u

at the Library of Congress

u Kongresnoj Knjižnici

so that your great-great-great-grandkids can someday get to know your grandfather

tako da vaši pra-pra-pra-unuci mogu jednog dana upoznati vašeg djeda

through his voice and story.

kroz njegov glas i priču.

So we open this booth in one of the busiest places in the world

I tako otvorimo tu govornicu u jednom od najprometnijih mjesta na svijetu

and invite people to have this incredibly intimate conversation

i pozivamo ljude da vode ovaj nevjerojatno intiman razgovor

with another human being.

sa drugim ljudskim bićem.

I had no idea if it would work, but from the very beginning, it did.

Nisam imao pojma da li će uspjeti, ali od samog početka, ipak jest.

People treated the experience with incredible respect,

Ljudi su se odnosili prema doživljaju s nevjerojatnim poštovanjem,

and amazing conversations happened inside.

i zapanjujući razgovori su se odvijali unutra.

I want to play just one animated excerpt

Želim pustiti samo jedan animirani isječak

from an interview recorded at that original Grand Central Booth.

iz jednog razgovora snimljenog u izvornom Grand Central Boothu.

This is 12-year-old Joshua Littman interviewing his mother, Sarah.

Ovo je 12-godišnji Joshua Littman koji intervjuira svoju majku, Sarah.

Josh has Asperger's syndrome.

Josh ima aspergerov sindrom.

As you may know, kids with Asperger's are incredibly smart

Kao što već znate, djeca sa aspergerom su nevjerojatno pametna

but have a tough time socially.

ali im je teško u društvu.

They usually have obsessions.

Obično imaju opsesije.

In Josh's case, it's with animals,

Josh je imao opsesiju za životinjama,

so this is Josh talking with his mom Sarah

a ovo je Josh koji razgovara sa svojom mamom Sarah

at Grand Central nine years ago.

u Grand Centralu prije 9 godina.

(Video) Josh Littman: From a scale of one to 10,

(Video) Josh Littman: Na ljestvici od jedan do 10,

do you think your life would be different without animals?

da li misliš da bi tvoj život bio drugađiji bez životnija?

Sarah Littman: I think it would be an eight without animals,

Sarah Littman: Mislim da bi bilo 8 bez životinja

because they add so much pleasure to life.

zato što daju toliko zadovoljstva u životu.

JL: How else do you think your life would be different without them?

JL: Kako bi ti još život bio drugačiji bez njih?

SL: I could do without things like cockroaches and snakes.

SL: Mogla bih živjeti bez žohara i zmija.

JL: Well, I'm okay with snakes as long as they're not venomous

JL: Pa, ja se mogu nositi sa zmijama sve dok nisu otrovne

or constrict you or anything.

i dok te ne stišću ili nešto takvo.

SL: Yeah, I'm not a big snake person --

SL: Da, ja nisam baš osoba za zmije --

JL: But cockroach is just the insect we love to hate.

JL: Ali žohari su insekti koje volimo mrziti.

SL: Yeah, it really is.

SL: Da, stvarno jesu.

JL: Have you ever thought you couldn't cope with having a child?

JL: Da li si ikada mislila da se ne bi mogla nositi s djecom?

SL: I remember when you were a baby, you had really bad colic,

SL: Sjećam se dok si još bio beba, imao si jake grčeve u želucu,

so you would just cry and cry.

i zato bi samo plakao i plakao.

JL: What's colic? SL: It's when you get this stomach ache

JL: Što su to grčevi u želucu? SL: To je kada dobiješ tu bol u želucu

and all you do is scream for, like, four hours.

i stalno se dereš, i to, na primjer, 4 sata.

JL: Even louder than Amy does?

JL: Čak glasnije od Amy?

SL: You were pretty loud, but Amy's was more high-pitched.

SL: Bio si dosta glasan, ali Amyin je bio više piskutav.

JL: I think it feels like everyone seems to like Amy more,

JL: Čini se da svi nekako više vole Amy,

like she's the perfect little angel.

kao da je savršeni mali anđeo.

SL: Well, I can understand why you think that people like Amy more,

SL: Pa, mogu razumijeti zašto misliš da ljudi više vole Amy,

and I'm not saying it's because of your Asperger's syndrome,

i ne kažem da je to zbog tvog aspergerovog sindroma,

but being friendly comes easily to Amy,

već Amy lakše bude prijateljski nastrojena,

whereas I think for you it's more difficult,

dok mislim da je tebi to teže,

but the people who take the time to get to know you love you so much.

ali ljudi koji se potrude da te upoznaju te toliko puno vole.

JL: Like Ben or Eric or Carlos? SL: Yeah --

JL: Kao Ben ili Eric ili Carlos? SL: Da --

JL: Like I have better quality friends but less quantity? (Laughter)

JL: Kao da ja imam bolje prijatelje, ali ih imam manje? (Smijeh)

SL: I wouldn't judge the quality, but I think --

SL: Ne bih sudila kvalitetu, ali mislim --

JL: I mean, first it was like, Amy loved Claudia, then she hated Claudia,

JL: Mislim, prvo je bilo da Amy voli Claudiu, pa ju onda mrzi,

she loved Claudia, then she hated Claudia.

pa ju je opet volila, pa opet mrzila.

SL: Part of that's a girl thing, honey.

SL: Dio toga je ženska stvar, dušo.

The important thing for you is that you have a few very good friends,

Važna stvar za tebe je da imaš par jako dobrih prijatelja,

and really that's what you need in life.

i to je stvarno ono što trebaš u životu.

JL: Did I turn out to be the son you wanted when I was born?

JL: Jesam li postao sin kakvog si htjela kada sam se rodio?

Did I meet your expectations?

Jesam li zadovoljio tvoja očekivanja?

SL: You've exceeded my expectations, sweetie,

SL: Ti si premašio moja očekivanja, dragi,

because, sure, you have these fantasies of what your child's going to be like,

jer, da, imaš te maštarije o tome kakvo će ti dijete biti,

but you have made me grow so much as a parent, because you think --

ali zbog tebe sam toliko odrasla kao roditelj, zato jer razmišljaš --

JL: Well, I was the one who made you a parent.

JL: Pa, ja sam bio taj zbog kojeg si postala roditelj.

SL: You were the one who made me a parent. That's a good point. (Laughter)

SL: Ti si taj zbog kojeg sam postala roditelj. Dobro rečeno. (Smijeh)

But also because you think differently

Ali i zato što razmišljaš drugačije

from what they tell you in the parenting books,

od onoga što ti kažu u roditeljskim knjigama,

I really had to learn to think outside of the box with you,

stvarno sam morala naučiti razmišljati izvan okvira s tobom,

and it's made me much more creative as a parent and as a person,

i to me je napravilo puno kreativnijom kao roditelja i kao osobu,

and I'll always thank you for that.

i uvijek ću ti zahvaljivati za to.

JL: And that helped when Amy was born?

JL: I to je pomoglo kada je Amy rođena?

SL: And that helped when Amy was born, but you are so incredibly special to me

SL: I to je pomoglo kada je Amy rođena, ali ti si mi tako nevjerojatno poseban

and I'm so lucky to have you as my son.

I toliko sam sretna što te imam kao sina.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

David Isay: After this story ran on public radio,

David Isay: Nakon što je ova priča bila puštena na javni radio,

Josh received hundreds of letters

Josh je primio stotine pisama

telling him what an amazing kid he was.

koja su mu govorila koliko je nevjerojatan dječak bio.

His mom, Sarah, bound them together in a book,

Njegova mama, Sarah ih je spojila u knjigu,

and when Josh got picked on at school, they would read the letters together.

i kada su Josha zezali u školi, zajedno bi čitali pisma.

I just want to acknowledge that two of my heroes

Samo želim naznačiti da su moja dva junaka

are here with us tonight.

ovdje s nama večeras.

Sarah Littman and her son Josh, who is now an honors student in college.

Sarah Littman i njezin sin Josh, koji je sada odličan student fakulteta.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

You know, a lot of people talk about crying when they hear StoryCorps stories,

Znate, puno ljudi priča o plakanju kada ćuju StoryCorps priče,

and it's not because they're sad.

i to ne zato što su žalosne.

Most of them aren't.

Većina njih nije.

I think it's because you're hearing something authentic and pure

Mislim da je to zbog toga što slušaju nešto autentično i čisto

at this moment, when sometimes it's hard to tell

u ovom vremenu, kada je teško reći

what's real and what's an advertisement.

što je stvarno, a što je reklama.

It's kind of the anti-reality TV.

To je nešto kao protu-reality TV.

Nobody comes to StoryCorps to get rich.

Nitko ne dolazi u StoryCrops da bi se obogatio.

Nobody comes to get famous.

Nitko ne dolazi da bi se proslavio.

It's simply an act of generosity and love.

To je jednostavno čin dobroćudnosti i ljubavi.

So many of these are just everyday people

Toliko njih su svakodnevni ljudi

talking about lives lived with kindness, courage, decency and dignity,

koji pričaju o životima ljubaznosti, hrabrosti, poštenja i dostojanstva,

and when you hear that kind of story,

i kada čujete takvu priču,

it can sometimes feel like you're walking on holy ground.

nekada se počnete osjećati kao da hodate po svetoj zemlji.

So this experiment in Grand Central worked,

Zato je ovaj eksperiment u Grand Centralu uspjeo,

and we expanded across the country.

i proširili smo se po državi.

Today, more than 100,000 people in all 50 states

Danas, više od 100,000 ljudi u svih 50 država

in thousands of cities and towns across America

u tisućama gradova i mjesta diljem Amerike

have recorded StoryCorps interviews.

je snimilo StoryCorps razgovore.

It's now the largest single collection of human voices ever gathered.

Sada je to najveća kolekcija ljudskih glasova ikada sakupljena.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

We've hired and trained hundreds of facilitators

Zaposlili smo i trenirali stotine voditelja

to help guide people through the experience.

da pomognu voditi ljude kroz to iskustvo.

Most serve a year or two with StoryCorps

Većina služi StoryCorpsu godinu ili dvije

traveling the country, gathering the wisdom of humanity.

putujući kroz zemlju, skupljajući mudrost čovječanstva.

They call it bearing witness,

Oni to zovu prisustvovanje svjedočanstvu,

and if you ask them,

i ako ih pitate,

all of the facilitators will tell you that the most important thing

svi voditelji će vam reći da je najvažnija stvar

they've learned from being present during these interviews

koju su naučili prisustvovanjem tijekom tih razgovora

is that people are basically good.

je da su ljudi u pravilu dobri.

And I think for the first years of StoryCorps, you could argue

I mislim da ste mogli za prve godine StoryCorpsa argumentirati

that there was some kind of a selection bias happening,

da se događalo nekakvo pristrano biranje,

but after tens of thousands of interviews with every kind of person

ali nakon desetak tisuća razgovora sa svakom vrstom osobe

in every part of the country --

u svakom dijelu zemlje --

rich, poor, five years old to 105,

bogati, siromašni, od pet do 105 godina,

80 different languages, across the political spectrum --

80 različitih jezika, kroz politički spektar --

you have to think that maybe these guys are actually onto something.

morate misliti da su možda ovi ljudi zapravo na tragu nečega.

I've also learned so much from these interviews.

I ja sam naučio jako puno iz tih razgovora.

I've learned about the poetry and the wisdom and the grace

Naučio sam o poeziji i mudrosti i naklonosti

that can be found in the words of people all around us

koja se može pronaći u riječima ljudi svuda oko nas

when we simply take the time to listen,

kada jednostavno nađemo vremena slušati,

like this interview

kao sljedeći razgovor

between a betting clerk in Brooklyn named Danny Perasa

između službenika kladionice u Brooklynu Danny Perasa

who brought his wife Annie to StoryCorps to talk about his love for her.

koji je doveo ženu Annie u StoryCorps na razgovor o ljubavi prema njoj.

(Audio) Danny Perasa: You see, the thing of it is,

(Zvuk) Danny Perasa: Vidiš, stvar je u tome što

I always feel guilty when I say "I love you" to you.

se uvijek osjećam krivo kada ti kažem "Volim te."

And I say it so often. I say it to remind you

I govorim ti to tako često. Govorim ti to da bih te podsjetio

that as dumpy as I am, it's coming from me.

da koliko god sam zdepast, to dolazi od mene.

It's like hearing a beautiful song from a busted old radio,

To je kao kad čuješ prekrasnu pjesmu na starom strganom radiju,

and it's nice of you to keep the radio around the house.

i lijepo je od tebe što držiš taj radio oko kuće.

Annie Perasa: If I don't have a note on the kitchen table,

Annie Perasa: Ako nema bilješke na kuhinjskom stolu,

I think there's something wrong.

mislim da nešto nije u redu.

You write a love letter to me every morning.

Pišeš mi ljubavno pismo svakoga jutra.

DP: Well, the only thing that could possibly be wrong

DP: Pa, jedina stvar koja može krenuti po krivu

is I couldn't find a silly pen.

je da nisam mogao naći blesavu kemijsku.

AP: To my princess:

AP: Mojoj princezi:

The weather outside today is extremely rainy.

Danas je vani jako kišovito.

I'll call you at 11:20 in the morning.

Nazvat ću te u 11:20 ujutro.

DP: It's a romantic weather report.

DP: To je romantična vremenska prognoza.

AP: And I love you. I love you. I love you.

AP: I volim te. Volim te. Volim te.

DP: When a guy is happily married, no matter what happens at work,

DP: Kada je čovjek sretno oženjen, bez obzira što se dogodi na poslu,

no matter what happens in the rest of the day,

bez obzira što se dogodi u ostatku dana,

there's a shelter when you get home,

tu je skrovište kada dođeš doma,

there's a knowledge knowing that you can hug somebody

tu je znanje da možeš nekoga zagrliti

without them throwing you downstairs and saying, "Get your hands off me."

bez da te gurne niz stepenice govoreći, "Makni ruke s mene."

Being married is like having a color television set.

Biti oženjen je kao da imaš televizor u boji.

You never want to go back to black and white.

Nikada se ne želiš vratiti na crno-bijelo.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

DI: Danny was about five feet tall

DI: Danny je bio visok oko 150cm

with crossed eyes and one single snaggletooth,

s očima u križ i jednim ružnim zubom,

but Danny Perasa had more romance in his little pinky

ali Danny Perasa je imao više romanse u svojem malom prstu

than all of Hollywood's leading men put together.

nego svi vodeći ljudi u Hollywoodu zajedno.

What else have I learned?

Što sam još naučio?

I've learned about the almost unimaginable capacity

Naučio sam o skoro nezamislivom kapacitetu

for the human spirit to forgive.

ljudske duše da oprosti.

I've learned about resilience and I've learned about strength.

Naučio sam o otpornosti i naučio sam o jačini.

Like an interview with Oshea Israel and Mary Johnson.

Kao na razgovoru između Oshea Isrela i Mary Johnson.

When Oshea was a teenager, he murdered Mary's only son,

Kada je Oshea bio tinejđer, ubio je Marynog jedinog sina,

Laramiun Byrd, in a gang fight.

Laramiun Byrda, u borbi banda.

A dozen years later, Mary went to prison

Desetak godina kasnije, Mary je otišla u zatvor

to meet Oshea and find out who this person was

kako bi se našla s Oshea i saznala tko je ta osoba bila

who had taken her son's life.

koja je oduzela život njena sina.

Slowly and remarkably, they became friends,

Polako i izvanredno, postali su prijatelji,

and when he was finally released from the penitentiary,

i kada je konačno bio pušten iz kaznenog zatvora,

Oshea actually moved in next door to Mary.

Oshea se zapravo doselio u Maryno susjedstv0.

This is just a short excerpt of a conversation they had

Ovo je samo kratki isječak iz razgovora koji su imali

soon after Oshea was freed.

ubrzo nakon što je Oshea pušten.

(Video) Mary Johnson: My natural son is no longer here.

(Video) Mary Johnson: Moj rođeni sin više nije ovdje.

I didn't see him graduate, and now you're going to college.

Nisam vidjela kako maturira, a sada ćeš ti ići na fakultet.

I'll have the opportunity to see you graduate.

Imat ću priliku vidjeti te kako maturiraš.

I didn't see him get married.

Nisam ga vidjela kako se ženi.

Hopefully one day, I'll be able to experience that with you.

Nadam se da ću jednog dana to moći doživjeti s tobom.

Oshea Israel: Just to hear you say those things and to be

Oshea Israel: Samo dok te čujem da izgovaraš te stvari i da si

in my life in the manner in which you are is my motivation.

u mojem životu na taj način je moja motivacija.

It motivates me to make sure that I stay on the right path.

To me motivira da osiguram da ostanem na pravom putu.

You still believe in me,

Još uvijek vjeruješ u mene,

and the fact that you can do it despite how much pain I caused you,

i činjenica da to možeš raditi bez obzira na bol koju sam ti prouzročio,

it's amazing.

to je nevjerojatno.

MJ: I know it's not an easy thing to be able to share our story together,

MJ: Znam da nije lagano dijeliti našu priču zajedno,

even with us sitting here looking at each other right now.

čak i dok sjedimo ovdje, gledajući se.

I know it's not an easy thing, so I admire that you can do this.

Znam da nije lako, i zato ti se divim što to možeš.

OI: I love you, lady. MJ: I love you too, son.

OJ: Volim te, damo. MJ: I ja tebe volim, sine.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

DI: And I've been reminded countless times of the courage and goodness of people,

DI: I bio sam podsjećan nebrojeno puta na hrabrost i dobrotu ljudi,

and how the arc of history truly does bend towards justice.

i kako se povijest stvarno naklanja prema pravdi.

Like the story of Alexis Martinez, who was born Arthur Martinez

Kao u priči Alexis Martinez, koja je rođena kao Arthur Martinez

in the Harold Ickes projects in Chicago.

u Harlod Ickes projektu u Chicagu.

In the interview, she talks with her daughter Lesley

U razgovoru, ona razgovara sa svojom kćeri Lesley

about joining a gang as a young man,

o pridruživanju bandi dok je bila mladić,

and later in life transitioning into the woman she was always meant to be.

i kasnije u životu prelasku u ženu kakva je oduvijek trebala biti.

This is Alexis and her daughter Lesley.

Ovo je Alexis i njezina kćer Lesley.

(Audio) Alexis Martinez: One of the most difficult things for me was

(Zvuk) Alexis Martinez: Jedna od najtežih stvari za mene je bila

I was always afraid that I wouldn't be allowed

to što sam se uvijek bojala da neću imati dopuštenje

to be in my granddaughters' lives,

biti u životima mojih unuka,

and you blew that completely out of the water,

i ti si to potpuno onemogućila,

you and your husband.

ti i tvoj muž.

One of the fruits of that is, in my relationship with my granddaughters,

Jedan od plodova odnosa s mojom unukom,

they fight with each other sometimes over whether I'm he or she.

je da se nekada svađaju oko toga da li sam on ili ona.

Lesley Martinez: But they're free to talk about it.

Lesley Martinez: Ali su slobodne govoriti o tome.

AM: They're free to talk about it, but that, to me, is a miracle.

AM: Slobodne su o tome govoriti, ali to je, za mene, čudo.

LM: You don't have to apologize. You don't have to tiptoe.

LM: Ne moraš se ispričavati. Ne moraš hodati na prstima.

We're not going to cut you off, and that's something I've always

Nećemo te se odreći, i to je nešto što sam oduvijek

wanted you to just know, that you're loved.

htjela znati, da si voljena.

AM: You know, I live this every day now.

AM: Znaš, to živim svaki dan sada.

I walk down the streets as a woman, and I really am at peace with who I am.

Hodam kroz ulice kao žena, i stvarno sam u miru s time tko sam.

I mean, I wish I had a softer voice maybe,

Mislim, voljela bih možda imati nježniji glas,

but now I walk in love and I try to live that way every day.

ali sada hodam s ljubavlju i htjela bih tako živjeti svaki dan.

DI: Now I walk in love.

DI: Sada hodam s ljubavlju.

I'm going to tell you a secret about StoryCorps.

Reći ću vam jednu tajnu StoryCorpsa.

It takes some courage to have these conversations.

Potrebno je nešto hrabrosti za ovakve razgovore.

StoryCorps speaks to our mortality.

StoryCorps zagovara našu smrtnost.

Participants know this recording will be heard long after they're gone.

Sudionici znaju da će ta snimka biti slušana dugo nakon ih više nema.

There's a hospice doctor named Ira Byock

Jedan doktor Ira Byock radi u domu za nemoćne

who has worked closely with us on recording interviews

te je radio blizu s nama na snimanju razgovora

with people who are dying.

s ljudima koji umiru.

He wrote a book called "The Four Things That Matter Most"

Napisao je knjigu "The Four Things That Matter Most"

about the four things you want to say to the most important people in your life

o četiri stvari koje želite reći najvažnijim ljudima u svom životu

before they or you die:

prije nego što oni ili vi umrete:

thank you, I love you,

hvala ti, volim te,

forgive me, I forgive you.

oprosti mi, opraštam ti.

They're just about the most powerful words we can say to one another,

To su skoro najmoćnije riječi koje možemo reći jedan drugome,

and often that's what happens in a StoryCorps booth.

i to je često ono što se i događa u StoryCorps govornicama.

It's a chance to have a sense of closure with someone you care about --

To je šansa da dobijete osjećaj pomirbe sa nekim vama važnim --

no regrets, nothing left unsaid.

bez sažaljenja, bez ičega neizrečenog.

And it's hard and it takes courage,

I teško je i potrebna je hrabrost,

but that's why we're alive, right?

ali to razlog zašto smo živi, zar ne?

So, the TED Prize.

I, TED nagrada.

When I first heard from TED and Chris a few months ago

Kada sam prvi put ćuo od TED-a i Chrisa prije par mjeseci

about the possibility of the Prize, I was completely floored.

o mogućnosti za dobivanje Nagrade, bio sam potpuno šokiran.

They asked me to come up with a very brief wish for humanity,

Rekli su mi da istupim sa kratkom željom za čovječanstvo,

no more than 50 words.

ne više od 50 riječi.

So I thought about it, I wrote my 50 words,

I razmišljao sam o tome, napisao sam 50 riječi,

and a few weeks later, Chris called and said, "Go for it."

i par tjedana kasnije, Chris je zvao i rekao, "Učini to."

So here is my wish:

I evo moje želje:

that you will help us

da ćete nam pomoći

take everything we've learned through StoryCorps

uzeti sve što smo naučili kroz StoryCorps

and bring it to the world

i predstaviti to svijetu

so that anyone anywhere can easily record a meaningful interview

tako da svatko svagdje može lako snimiti značajan razgovor

with another human being which will then be archived for history.

s drugim ljudskim bićem koji će onda biti arhiviran za povijest.

How are we going to do that? With this.

Kako ćemo to napraviti? Sa ovim.

We're fast moving into a future where everyone in the world

Brzo idemo u budućnost kada će svi u svijetu

will have access to one of these,

imati pristup jednom od ovih,

and it has powers I never could have imagined 11 years ago

koji ima moći koje nikada nisam mogao zamisliti prije 11 godina

when I started StoryCorps.

kada sam započeo StoryCorps.

It has a microphone,

Ima mikrofon,

it can tell you how to do things,

može ti reći kako napraviti stvari,

and it can send audio files.

i može slati zvučne datoteke.

Those are the key ingredients.

To su ključni sastojci.

So the first part of the wish is already underway.

Tako je prvi dio želje već na putu.

Over the past couple of months,

Prošlih par mjeseci,

the team at StoryCorps has been working furiously

tim u StoryCorpsu radio je mahnito

to create an app that will bring StoryCorps out of our booths

da napravi aplikaciju koja će iznijeti StoryCorps izvan govornica

so that it can be experienced by anyone, anywhere, anytime.

tako da to može doživjeti bilo tko, bilo gdje, bilo kada.

Remember, StoryCorps has always been two people and a facilitator

Zapamtite, StoryCorps je uvijek bio između dvije osobe i voditelja

helping them record their conversation, which is preserved forever,

koji im pomaže da snime svoj razgovor, koji je sačuvan zauvijek,

but at this very moment,

ali sada u ovom trenutku,

we're releasing a public beta version of the StoryCorps app.

objavljujemo javnu oglednu inačicu StoryCorps aplikacije.

The app is a digital facilitator that walks you through

Ova aplikacija je digitalni voditelj koji vas vodi kroz

the StoryCorps interview process,

StoryCorps razgovorni proces,

helps you pick questions,

pomaže vam izabrati pitanja,

and gives you all the tips you need

i daje vam savjete koji vam trebaju

to record a meaningful StoryCorps interview,

da snimite značajan StoryCorps razgovor,

and then with one tap upload it to our archive at the Library of Congress.

i onda ga jednim dodirom učitate u arhivu Knjižnice Kongresa.

That's the easy part, the technology.

To je lagani dio, tehnologija.

The real challenge is up to you:

Pravi izazov je na vama:

to take this tool and figure out how we can use it

da uzmete ovaj alat i shvatite kako ga možemo koristiti

all across America and around the world,

diljem Amerike i cijelog svijeta,

so that instead of recording thousands of StoryCorps interviews a year,

tako da umjesto da snimamo tisuće StoryCorps razgovora na godinu,

we could potentially record tens of thousands

možemo potencijalno snimit desetke tisuća

or hundreds of thousands

ili stotine tisuća

or maybe even more.

ili možda čak više.

Imagine, for example, a national homework assignment

Zamislite, na primjer, nacionalni domaći zadatak

where every high school student studying U.S. history across the country

gdje svaki učenik srednje škole koji studira američku povijest kroz zemlju

records an interview with an elder over Thanksgiving,

snimi razgovor sa starijom osobom preko Dana Zahvalnosti,

so that in one single weekend

tako da u jednom vikendu

an entire generation of American lives and experiences are captured.

cijela generacija američkih života i iskustava su snimljeni.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Or imagine mothers on opposite sides of a conflict somewhere in the world

Ili zamislite majke na različitim stranama sukoba negdje u svijetu

sitting down not to talk about that conflict

sjednu razgovarati ne o tom sukobu

but to find out who they are as people,

već da saznaju tko su kao ljudi,

and in doing so, begin to build bonds of trust;

i radeći to, stvaraju vezu povjerenja;

or that someday it becomes a tradition all over the world

ili da jednog dana to postane tradicija diljem svijeta

that people are honored with a StoryCorps interview

da su ljudi počašćeni StoryCorps razgovorom

on their 75th birthday;

na njihov 75-ti rođendan;

or that people in your community

ili da ljudi u vašoj zajednici

go into retirement homes or hospitals or homeless shelters or even prisons

idu u domove za umirovljenike, bolnice, skloništa za beskućnike ili čak zatvore

armed with this app to honor the people least heard in our society

s ovom aplikacijom da daju počast ljudima od kojih se najmanje čuje

and ask them who they are, what they've learned in life,

i da ih pitaju tko su, što su naučili u životu,

and how they want to be remembered.

i kako žele da ih se pamti.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Ten years ago, I recorded a StoryCorps interview with my dad

Prije 10 godina, snimio sam StoryCorps razgovor sa svojim ocem

who was a psychiatrist, and became a well-known gay activist.

koji je bio psihijatar, i postao poznati gay aktivist.

This is the picture of us at that interview.

Ovo je naša slika s razgovora.

I never thought about that recording until a couple of years ago,

Nikada nisam razmišljao o tom razgovoru sve do prije par godina,

when my dad, who seemed to be in perfect health

kada je moj otac, za kojeg se činilo da je savršenog zdravlja

and was still seeing patients 40 hours a week,

i još uvijek je primao pacijente 40 sati na tjedan,

was diagnosed with cancer.

bio dijagnosticiran s rakom.

He passed away very suddenly a few days later.

Preminuo je vrlo iznenadno par dana poslije.

It was June 28, 2012,

Bio je 28. lipanj 2012.,

the anniversary of the Stonewall riots.

godišnjica Stonewall nereda.

I listened to that interview for the first time at three in the morning

Slušao sam taj razgovor prvi put u 3 ujutro

on the day that he died.

na dan na koji je preminuo.

I have a couple of young kids at home,

Imam par djece doma,

and I knew that the only way they were going to get to know this person

i znao sam da jedini način na koji mogu upoznati tu osobu,

who was such a towering figure in my life would be through that session.

koja je bila takva ogromna ličnost u mom životu, je samo bilo kroz taj razgovor.

I thought I couldn't believe in StoryCorps any more deeply than I did,

Nisam mislio da mogu vjerovati u StoryCorps dublje nego već jesam,

but it was at that moment

ali to je bio trenutak

that I fully and viscerally grasped the importance of making these recordings.

kada sam potpuno i nagonski shvatio važnost izrade ovih snimaka.

Every day, people come up to me

Svaki dan, ljudi mi prilaze

and say, "I wish I had interviewed my father or my grandmother or my brother,

i kažu, "Da sam bar intervjuirao svog oca ili djeda ili brata,

but I waited too long."

ali sam čekao predugo."

Now, no one has to wait anymore.

Više nitko ne mora čekati.

At this moment,

U ovom vremenu,

when so much of how we communicate is fleeting and inconsequential,

kada je toliki dio naše komunikacije tako prolazan i beznačajan,

join us in creating this digital archive

pridružite nam se u stvaranju ove digitalne arhive

of conversations that are enduring and important.

razgovora koji su trajni i važni.

Help us create this gift to our children,

Pomozite nam napraviti dar našoj djeci,

this testament to who we are as human beings.

ovo svjedočanstvo o tome tko smo kao ljudska bića.

I hope you'll help us make this wish come true.

Nadam se da ćete nam pomoći ostvariti tu želju.

Interview a family member, a friend or even a stranger.

Intervjuirajte člana obitelji, prijatelja, ili čak stranca.

Together, we can create an archive of the wisdom of humanity,

Zajedno, možemo napraviti arhivu mudrosti čovječanstva,

and maybe in doing so,

i možda radeći to,

we'll learn to listen a little more and shout a little less.

ćemo naučiti slušati malo više i vikati malo manje.

Maybe these conversations will remind us what's really important.

Možda će nas ovi razgovori podsjetiti što je stvarno važno.

And maybe, just maybe,

I možda, samo možda,

it will help us recognize that simple truth

će nam pomoći prepoznati jednostavnu istinu

that every life, every single life,

da je svaki život, svaki pojedinačni život,

matters equally and infinitely.

jednako i beskrajno važan.

Thank you very much.

Hvala vam jako puno.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Thank you. Thank you.

Hvala vam. Hvala.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Thank you.

Hvala.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)