Falling in love is the easy part | Mandy Len Catron

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Prevoditelj: Anja Kolobarić Recezent: Maja Covic
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I published this article
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Objavila sam članak
00:14
in the New York Times Modern Love column in January of this year.
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u kolumni o modernoj ljubavi NY Timesa u siječnju ove godine.
00:18
"To Fall in Love With Anyone, Do This."
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"Da se zaljubite u bilo koga, učinite ovo."
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And the article is about a psychological study
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U članku se radi o psihološkom eksperimentu
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designed to create romantic love in the laboratory,
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osmišljenom radi stvaranja romantične ljubavi u laboratoriju
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and my own experience trying the study myself
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i o vlastitom iskustvu u kojem sam pokušala ispitati sebe
00:29
one night last summer.
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jedne večeri tijekom prošlog ljeta.
00:31
So the procedure is fairly simple:
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Postupak je dosta jednostavan:
00:34
two strangers take turns asking each other 36 increasingly personal questions
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dva stranca naizmjence si postavljaju 36 pitanja koja postaju sve osobnija,
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and then they stare into each other's eyes
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a zatim gledaju jedno drugome u oči
00:44
without speaking for four minutes.
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četiri minute - u tišini.
00:47
So here are a couple of sample questions.
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Ovo su neka od pitanja.
00:50
Number 12: If you could wake up tomorrow having gained any one quality or ability,
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Pitanje br.12: Da se sutra možeš probuditi s jednom novom kvalitetom ili sposobnosti,
00:56
what would it be?
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što bi izabrao/la?
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Number 28: When did you last cry in front of another person?
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Pitanje br. 28: Kad si zadnji put plakao/la pred drugom osobom?
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By yourself?
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Ili sam/a?
01:04
As you can see, they really do get more personal as they go along.
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Kao što možete vidjeti, što dalje idemo, pitanja zaista postaju sve osobnija.
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Number 30, I really like this one:
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Pitanje br. 30, ovo mi je baš super:
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Tell your partner what you like about them;
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Recite svom partneru što volite na njemu;
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be very honest this time,
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budite krajnje iskreni ovaj put,
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saying things you might not say to someone you just met.
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recite nešto što možda ne biste rekli nekome koga ste tek upoznali.
01:20
So when I first came across this study a few years earlier,
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Kad sam prije nekoliko godina prvi put naišla na ovaj eskperiment,
01:25
one detail really stuck out to me,
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jedan mi je detalj privukao pozornost --
01:27
and that was the rumor that two of the participants
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glasina da se dvoje sudionika u eksperimentu
01:30
had gotten married six months later,
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vjenčalo šest mjeseci kasnije
01:33
and they'd invited the entire lab to the ceremony.
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i da su pozvali cijeli laboratorij na svadbu.
01:37
So I was of course very skeptical
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Naravno, bila sam jako skeptična
01:40
about this process of just manufacturing romantic love,
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po pitanju procesa stvaranja romantične ljubavi,
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but of course I was intrigued.
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ali me, naravno, i zaintrigirao.
01:46
And when I got the chance to try this study myself,
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Kad sam dobila priliku i sama isprobati taj eksperiment
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with someone I knew but not particularly well,
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s nekim koga nisam pretjerano dobro poznavala,
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I wasn't expecting to fall in love.
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nisam očekivala da ću se zaljubiti,
01:56
But then we did, and --
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ali zaljubili smo se i --
01:59
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:01
And I thought it made a good story, so I sent it to the Modern Love column
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-- i to mi se učinilo kao dobra priča, pa sam je poslala u kolumnu moderne ljubavi
02:05
a few months later.
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nekoliko mjeseci kasnije.
02:07
Now, this was published in January,
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Članak je objavljen u siječnju,
02:11
and now it is August,
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a sada je kolovoz,
02:13
so I'm guessing that some of you are probably wondering,
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pa se neki od vas vjerojatno pitaju
02:17
are we still together?
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jesmo li još uvijek zajedno.
02:19
And the reason I think you might be wondering this
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A to se vjerojatno pitate
02:22
is because I have been asked this question
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zato što mi ovo pitanje
02:24
again and again and again for the past seven months.
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neprestano ponavljaju tijekom zadnjih sedam mjeseci.
02:28
And this question is really what I want to talk about today.
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To je pitanje ono o čemu danas želim govoriti.
02:32
But let's come back to it.
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No, vratit ćemo se na njega.
02:33
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:36
So the week before the article came out,
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Tjedan dana prije objave članka
02:38
I was very nervous.
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bila sam jako nervozna.
02:41
I had been working on a book about love stories
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Radim na knjizi ljubavnih priča
02:44
for the past few years,
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zadnjih nekoliko godina,
02:46
so I had gotten used to writing about my own experiences
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pa sam se naviknula pisati o vlastitim iskustvima
02:48
with romantic love on my blog.
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s romantičnom ljubavi na blogu.
02:51
But a blog post might get a couple hundred views at the most,
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No, tekst na blogu može vidjeti najviše par stotina ljudi,
02:56
and those were usually just my Facebook friends,
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i to su uglavnom moji prijatelji s Facebooka,
02:59
and I figured my article in the New York Times
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a pretpostavila sam da će moj članak u New York Timesu
03:02
would probably get a few thousand views.
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vidjeti nekoliko tisuća ljudi.
03:06
And that felt like a lot of attention
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To mi se činilo kao prevelika pozornost
03:08
on a relatively new relationship.
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za jednu relativno svježu vezu,
03:12
But as it turned out, I had no idea.
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no ispostavilo se da nisam imala pojma koliko.
03:16
So the article was published online
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Članak je objavljen na internetu
03:18
on a Friday evening,
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u petak navečer,
03:20
and by Saturday, this had happened to the traffic on my blog.
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a do subote ovo se dogodilo posjećenosti mog bloga.
03:26
And by Sunday, both the Today Show and Good Morning America had called.
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Do nedjelje su me zvali i Today Show i Good Morning, America.
03:32
Within a month, the article would receive over 8 million views,
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Tijekom mjesec dana članak je pregledan preko 8 milijuna puta,
03:37
and I was, to say the least,
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a ja sam bila, najblaže rečeno,
03:39
underprepared for this sort of attention.
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nedovoljno pripremljena za toliku pozornost.
03:43
It's one thing to work up the confidence to write honestly
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Jedna je stvar skupiti hrabrosti da iskreno pišeš
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about your experiences with love,
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o svojim ljubavnim iskustvima,
03:48
but it is another thing to discover
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ali sasvim je druga stvar otkriti
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that your love life has made international news --
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da je tvoj ljubavni život postao svjetska vijest --
03:54
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
03:55
and to realize that people across the world
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i shvatiti da ljude diljem svijeta
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are genuinely invested in the status of your new relationship.
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uistinu zanima u kakvom je stanju vaša nova veza.
04:04
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
04:06
And when people called or emailed, which they did every day for weeks,
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Kad sam primala pozive i mejlove, što se događalo svakodnevno, tjednima,
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they always asked the same question first:
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svi su imali isto prvo pitanje:
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are you guys still together?
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jeste li još uvijek zajedno?
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In fact, as I was preparing this talk,
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Zapravo, dok sam pripremala ovaj govor,
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I did a quick search of my email inbox
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brzinski sam pretražila ulaznu poštu u potrazi
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for the phrase "Are you still together?"
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za frazom: "Jeste li još uvijek zajedno?"
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and several messages popped up immediately.
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i odmah mi je iskočilo nekoliko poruka.
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They were from students and journalists
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Poruke su bile od studenata i novinara
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and friendly strangers like this one.
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i ljubaznih stranaca poput ovoga.
04:32
I did radio interviews and they asked.
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I na intervjuu za radio postavili su mi to pitanje.
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I even gave a talk, and one woman shouted up to the stage,
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Čak sam držala i jedan govor, a žena iz publike mi je doviknula:
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"Hey Mandy, where's your boyfriend?"
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"Hej, Mandy, gdje ti je dečko?"
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And I promptly turned bright red.
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Pocrvenjela sam iste sekunde.
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I understand that this is part of the deal.
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Znam da sam se na to obvezala.
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If you write about your relationship in an international newspaper,
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Ako pišeš o svojoj vezi u svjetskim novinama,
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you should expect people to feel comfortable asking about it.
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moraš očekivati da će te ljudi pitati o njoj bez zadrške.
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But I just wasn't prepared for the scope of the response.
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No, nisam bila spremna na opseg odgovora.
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The 36 questions seem to have taken on a life of their own.
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Tih 36 pitanja počelo je voditi vlastiti život.
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In fact, the New York Times published a follow-up article
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Štoviše, New York Times objavio je sljedeći članak
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for Valentine's Day,
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uoči Valentinova
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which featured readers' experiences of trying the study themselves,
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koji se bavio iskustvima čitatelja koji su se i sami okušali u eksperimentu
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with varying degrees of success.
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i koji su polučili različite stupnjeve uspjeha.
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So my first impulse in the face of all of this attention
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Moja prva reakcija na svu tu pozornost
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was to become very protective of my own relationship.
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bila je postati izrazito zaštitnički nastrojena prema vlastitoj vezi.
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I said no to every request for the two of us
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Odbila sam svaki poziv
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to do a media appearance together.
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za naše zajedničko pojavljivanje u medijima.
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I turned down TV interviews,
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Odbijala sam TV-intervjue,
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and I said no to every request for photos of the two us.
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molbe za našim zajedničkim slikama.
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I think I was afraid that we would become
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Mislim da sam se bojala da ćemo postati
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inadvertent icons for the process of falling in love,
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slučajne ikone procesa zaljubljivanja,
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a position I did not at all feel qualified for.
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a to je položaj kojem se nisam smatrala doraslom.
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And I get it:
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Razumijem to:
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people didn't just want to know if the study worked,
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ljudi nisu samo htjeli znati funkcionira li eksperiment,
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they wanted to know if it really worked:
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htjeli su znati funkcionira li on zaista,
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that is, if it was capable of producing love that would last,
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tj. može li stvoriti ljubav koja će trajati,
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not just a fling, but real love, sustainable love.
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ne nešto prolazno, već pravu, održivu ljubav.
06:07
But this was a question I didn't feel capable of answering.
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Nisam se osjećala sposobnom odgovarati na to pitanje.
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My own relationship was only a few months old,
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Moja je veza trajala tek nekoliko mjeseci,
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and I felt like people were asking the wrong question in the first place.
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a imala sam osjećaj da ljudi zapravo postavljaju krivo pitanje.
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What would knowing whether or not we were still together really tell them?
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Što bi im rekla činjenica jesmo li još uvijek zajedno ili ne?
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If the answer was no,
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Ako je odgovor ne,
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would it make the experience of doing these 36 questions
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znači li to da je iskustvo prolaženja kroz tih 36 pitanja
06:29
any less worthwhile?
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išta manje vrijedno truda?
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Dr. Arthur Aron first wrote about these questions
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Dr. Arthur Aron prvi je pisao o tim pitanjima
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in this study here in 1997,
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u ovoj studiji 1997. godine,
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and here, the researcher's goal was not to produce romantic love.
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a ovdje cilj istraživača nije bio stvoriti romantičnu ljubav,
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Instead, they wanted to foster
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već su htjeli poticati na
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interpersonal closeness among college students,
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međusobnu bliskost među studentima
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by using what Aron called
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koristeći nešto što je Aron zvao
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"sustained, escalating, reciprocal, personalistic self-disclosure."
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"održivo, rastuće, recipročno, personalizirano samootkrivanje."
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Sounds romantic, doesn't it?
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Zvuči romantično, zar ne?
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But the study did work.
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Ali eksperiment je djelovao.
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The participants did feel closer after doing it,
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Sudionici su nakon njega osjećali veću bliskost i kasnije je
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and several subsequent studies have also used Aron's fast friends protocol
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nekoliko eksperimenata koristilo njegov protokol brzinskog sprijateljavanja
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as a way to quickly create trust and intimacy between strangers.
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radi brzinskog stvaranja povjerenja i intimnosti između stranaca.
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They've used it between members of the police and members of community,
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Koristili su ga među članovima policije i članovima zajednice,
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and they've used it between people of opposing political ideologies.
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čak i između ljudi oprečnih političkih ideologija.
07:23
The original version of the story,
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Originalna verzija priče,
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the one that I tried last summer,
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ona koju sam probala prošlog ljeta,
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that pairs the personal questions with four minutes of eye contact,
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koja kombinira osobna pitanja s četverominutnim kontaktom očima
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was referenced in this article,
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spomenuta je u ovom članku,
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but unfortunately it was never published.
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no nažalost, nikad nije objavljena.
07:38
So a few months ago, I was giving a talk
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Prije nekoliko mjeseci držala sam govor
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at a small liberal arts college,
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na malenom fakultetu humanističkih znanosti
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and a student came up to me afterwards
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i kasnije mi je prišao student
07:46
and he said, kind of shyly,
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i pomalo sramežljivo rekao:
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"So, I tried your study, and it didn't work."
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"Isprobao sam vaš eksperiment, ali nije djelovao."
07:54
He seemed a little mystified by this.
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Djelovao je kao da ga je to malo zbunilo.
07:57
"You mean, you didn't fall in love with the person you did it with?" I asked.
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"Misliš, nisi se zaljubio u osobu s kojom si ga isprobao?" upitah.
08:02
"Well..." He paused.
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"Pa..." zastao je.
08:04
"I think she just wants to be friends."
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"Mislim da želi da budemo samo prijatelji."
08:09
"But did you become better friends?" I asked.
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"Ali jeste li postali bolji prijatelji?" upitah.
08:13
"Did you feel like you got to really know each other after doing the study?"
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"Misliš li da ste se zbilja upoznali nakon što ste isprobali eksperiment?"
08:16
He nodded.
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Kimao je glavom.
08:18
"So, then it worked," I said.
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"Onda je djelovalo", rekoh.
08:21
I don't think this is the answer he was looking for.
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Mislim da se nije nadao takvom odgovoru.
08:25
In fact, I don't think this is the answer that any of us are looking for
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Zapravo, mislim da to nije odgovor kojemu se itko od nas nada
08:29
when it comes to love.
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kada govorimo o ljubavi.
08:32
I first came across this study
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Na taj sam eksperiment prvi put
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when I was 29
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naišla kada mi je bilo 29 godina
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and I was going through a really difficult breakup.
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dok sam pokušavala preboljeti težak prekid.
08:38
I had been in the relationship since I was 20,
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Bila sam u toj vezi od 20. godine,
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which was basically my entire adult life,
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a to je bio gotovo cijeli moj odrasli dio života,
08:44
and he was my first real love,
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i bio je moja prva prava ljubav
08:46
and I had no idea how or if I could make a life without him.
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i nisam imala pojma kako ću ili hoću li uopće moći nastaviti živjeti bez njega,
08:51
So I turned to science.
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pa sam se okrenula znanosti.
08:53
I researched everything I could find about the science of romantic love,
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Istražila sam sve što sam uspjela pronaći o znanosti romantične ljubavi
08:58
and I think I was hoping that it might somehow inoculate me from heartache.
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i mislim da sam se nadala da će me to izliječiti od slomljenog srca.
09:03
I don't know if I realized this at the time --
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Ne znam jesam li to tada shvaćala --
09:07
I thought I was just doing research for this book I was writing --
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mislila sam da sam samo istraživala za knjigu na kojoj sam radila --
09:10
but it seems really obvious in retrospect.
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ali s vremenske distance čini se zaista očito.
09:13
I hoped that if I armed myself with the knowledge of romantic love,
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Nadala sam se da, ako se naoružam znanjem o romantičnoj ljubavi,
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I might never have to feel as terrible and lonely as I did then.
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nikad se više neću morati osjećati tako užasno i usamljeno kao tada.
09:24
And all this knowledge has been useful in some ways.
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Sve je to znanje u neku ruku i bilo korisno.
09:28
I am more patient with love. I am more relaxed.
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Sada sam strpljivija s ljubavi. Sada sam opuštenija.
09:31
I am more confident about asking for what I want.
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Sada imam više hrabrosti tražiti ono što želim,
09:35
But I can also see myself more clearly,
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ali i vidim se jasnije
09:39
and I can see that what I want is sometimes more
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i vidim da je ono što ja želim ponekad više
09:43
than can reasonably be asked for.
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nego što je razumno tražiti.
09:46
What I want from love is a guarantee,
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Ja od ljubavi želim jamstvo,
09:50
not just that I am loved today
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ne želim samo biti voljena danas
09:52
and that I will be loved tomorrow,
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i voljena sutra,
09:54
but that I will continue to be loved by the person I love indefinitely.
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već da će me ta osoba voljeti do beskonačnosti.
10:01
Maybe it's this possibility of a guarantee
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Možda je ova mogućnost jamstva
10:04
that people were really asking about
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zapravo zanimala ljude
10:06
when they wanted to know if we were still together.
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kad su pitali jesmo li još uvijek zajedno.
10:10
So the story that the media told about the 36 questions
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Priča koju su mediji ispričali o 36 pitanja
10:14
was that there might be a shortcut to falling in love.
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temeljila se na tome da postoji prečac do zaljubljivanja,
10:18
There might be a way to somehow mitigate some of the risk involved,
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da postoji način da ublažimo neke od rizika,
10:21
and this is a very appealing story,
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a to je jako primamljiva priča
10:24
because falling in love feels amazing,
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jer je zaljubljivanje čarobno,
10:27
but it's also terrifying.
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ali i zastrašujuće.
10:30
The moment you admit to loving someone,
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Kada priznate da nekoga volite,
10:33
you admit to having a lot to lose,
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priznajete da imate puno toga za izgubiti,
10:36
and it's true that these questions do provide a mechanism
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a istina je da ova pitanja pružaju određeni mehanizam
10:40
for getting to know someone quickly,
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za upoznavanje nekoga na brzinu,
10:43
which is also a mechanism for being known,
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što je također mehanizam za poznavanje,
10:45
and I think this is the thing that most of us really want from love:
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a mislim da je to ono što većina nas traži od ljubavi:
10:50
to be known, to be seen, to be understood.
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da nas netko poznaje, da nas vidi, da nas razumije.
10:55
But I think when it comes to love,
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Kad se radi o ljubavi,
10:57
we are too willing to accept the short version of the story.
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prečesto smo voljni prihvatiti kratke verzije priče.
11:01
The version of the story that asks, "Are you still together?"
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Verziju priče koja pita: "Jeste li još uvijek zajedno?"
11:05
and is content with a yes or no answer.
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i koja je zadovoljna potvrdnim ili niječnim odgovorom.
11:09
So rather than that question,
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Umjesto tog pitanja,
11:11
I would propose we ask some more difficult questions,
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predlažem da postavimo neka teža pitanja,
11:15
questions like:
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poput:
11:17
How do you decide who deserves your love
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Kako odlučujete tko zaslužuje vašu ljubav,
11:20
and who does not?
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a tko ne?
11:22
How do you stay in love when things get difficult,
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Kako ostajete zaljubljeni kad se stvari zakompliciraju,
11:26
and how do you know when to just cut and run?
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a kako znate kad je vrijeme da se pokupite i odete?
11:29
How do you live with the doubt
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Kako živite sa sumnjom
11:31
that inevitably creeps into every relationship,
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koja se neizbježno uvlači u svaku vezu,
11:34
or even harder,
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ili još teže,
11:36
how do you live with your partner's doubt?
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kako živite s partnerovom sumnjom?
11:39
I don't necessarily know the answers to these questions,
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Ne znam nužno odgovore na ta pitanja,
11:43
but I think they're an important start at having a more thoughtful conversation
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ali mislim da su važan uvod u dublji razgovor
11:48
about what it means to love someone.
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o tome što znači voljeti nekoga.
11:52
So, if you want it,
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Pa, ako je već želite,
11:54
the short version of the story of my relationship is this:
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kratka verzija priče o mojoj vezi glasi ovako:
11:58
a year ago, an acquaintance and I did a study
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prije godinu dana poznanik i ja proveli smo ekspriment
12:01
designed to create romantic love,
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osmišljen za stvaranje romantične ljubavi
12:04
and we fell in love,
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i zaljubili smo se
12:06
and we are still together,
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i još smo uvijek zajedno
12:08
and I am so glad.
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i presretna sam.
12:11
But falling in love is not the same thing as staying in love.
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Ali zaljubljivanje nije isto što i ljubav.
12:16
Falling in love is the easy part.
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Lako je zaljubiti se.
12:20
So at the end of my article, I wrote, "Love didn't happen to us.
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Svoj sam članak završila riječima: "Nama se ljubav nije dogodila.
12:24
We're in love because we each made the choice to be."
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Zaljubljeni smo jer smo se oboje na to odlučili."
12:28
And I cringe a little when I read that now,
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Sada kada to čitam, malo se naježim -
12:32
not because it isn't true,
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ne zato što to nije istina,
12:34
but because at the time, I really hadn't considered
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nego zato što tada nisam shvaćala
12:37
everything that was contained in that choice.
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sve što je uključeno u taj izbor.
12:41
I didn't consider how many times we would each have to make that choice,
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Nisam shvaćala koliko ćemo puta oboje morati donositi tu odluku
12:46
and how many times I will continue to have to make that choice
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i koliko ću puta morati ponovno donositi tu odluku
12:50
without knowing whether or not he will always choose me.
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ne znajući hoće li me on svaki put izabrati.
12:54
I want it to be enough to have asked and answered 36 questions,
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Voljela bih da je bilo dovoljno postaviti i odgovoriti na 36 pitanja
12:59
and to have chosen to love someone so generous and kind and fun
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i odlučiti voljeti nekoga tako velikodušnog, dragog i zabavnog
13:04
and to have broadcast that choice in the biggest newspaper in America.
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i objaviti taj izbor u najvećim američkim novinama.
13:10
But what I have done instead is turn my relationship
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Umjesto toga pretvorila sam svoju vezu
13:14
into the kind of myth I don't quite believe in.
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u svojevrstan mit u koji baš i ne vjerujem.
13:18
And what I want, what perhaps I will spend my life wanting,
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Ono što ja želim, ono što ću možda željeti cijeli svoj život,
13:22
is for that myth to be true.
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jest da se taj mit ostvari.
13:25
I want the happy ending implied by the title to my article,
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Želim da se sretan završetak podrazumijeva u nazivu mog članka
13:30
which is, incidentally,
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koji je, usput budi rečeno,
13:31
the only part of the article that I didn't actually write.
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jedini dio članka koji nisam ja napisala.
13:35
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
13:38
But what I have instead is the chance to make the choice to love someone,
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Umjesto toga imam priliku donijeti odluku voljeti nekoga
13:43
and the hope that he will choose to love me back,
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i nadati se da će i on odlučiti voljeti mene,
13:46
and it is terrifying,
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a to je zastrašujuće,
13:49
but that's the deal with love.
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ali takva je ljubav.
13:51
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
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