My son was a Columbine shooter. This is my story | Sue Klebold | TED

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00:12
The last time I heard my son's voice
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A derradeira vez que oín a voz do meu fillo
00:15
was when he walked out the front door
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foi cando saíu pola porta da casa
00:17
on his way to school.
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para ir ao instituto.
00:20
He called out one word in the darkness:
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Na escuridade, dixo unha palabra:
00:23
"Bye."
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"Adeus".
00:24
It was April 20, 1999.
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Era o 20 de abril de 1999.
00:28
Later that morning, at Columbine High School,
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Máis tarde aquela mañá, no instituto de Columbine
00:31
my son Dylan and his friend Eric
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o meu fillo Dylan e o seu amigo Eric
00:34
killed 12 students and a teacher
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mataron a 12 estudantes e a un profesor
00:38
and wounded more than 20 others before taking their own lives.
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e feriron a outras 20 persoas máis, antes de quitarse a vida.
00:42
Thirteen innocent people were killed,
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Trece persoas inocentes foron asasinadas,
00:46
leaving their loved ones in a state of grief and trauma.
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deixando aos seus seres queridos nun estado de dó e trauma.
00:50
Others sustained injuries,
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Outros recibiron feridas,
00:52
some resulting in disfigurement and permanent disability.
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que desfiguraron a uns e deixaron a outros con discapacidade permanente.
00:57
But the enormity of the tragedy
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Pero a gravidade da traxedia
00:59
can't be measured only by the number of deaths and injuries that took place.
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non pode medirse só polo número de mortes e feridos.
01:04
There's no way to quantify the psychological damage
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Non hai xeito de medir os danos psicolóxicos
01:07
of those who were in the school,
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daqueles que estaban no instituto,
01:09
or who took part in rescue or cleanup efforts.
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ou dos que participaron nos esforzos de rescate e limpeza.
01:14
There's no way to assess the magnitude of a tragedy like Columbine,
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Non hai maneira de calcular a magnitude dunha traxedia como a de Columbine,
01:18
especially when it can be a blueprint
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especialmente cando pode servir de modelo
01:20
for other shooters who go on to commit atrocities of their own.
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para outros tiradores que deciden cometer atrocidades.
01:25
Columbine was a tidal wave,
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Columbine foi coma un maremoto,
01:28
and when the crash ended,
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e cando a colisión rematou,
01:29
it would take years for the community and for society
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pasaron anos ata que a comunidade e a sociedade foron capaces
01:33
to comprehend its impact.
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de comprender o seu impacto.
01:36
It has taken me years to try to accept my son's legacy.
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Tardei moitos anos en intentar aceptar o legado do meu fillo.
01:41
The cruel behavior that defined the end of his life
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O comportamento cruel que marcou o final da súa vida
01:44
showed me that he was a completely different person from the one I knew.
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fíxome ver que era unha persoa completamente distinta da que eu coñecía.
01:49
Afterwards people asked,
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Despois, a xente preguntábame,
01:51
"How could you not know?
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"Como puideches non darte conta?
01:54
What kind of a mother were you?"
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Que clase de nai eras?"
01:57
I still ask myself those same questions.
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Aínda me fago esas mesmas preguntas.
02:00
Before the shootings, I thought of myself as a good mom.
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Antes do tiroteo, eu pensaba que era unha boa nai.
02:04
Helping my children become caring,
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Axudarlles aos meus fillos a converterse en adultos
02:07
healthy, responsible adults
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xenerosos, sans e responsables
02:09
was the most important role of my life.
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era o papel máis importante da miña vida.
02:13
But the tragedy convinced me that I failed as a parent,
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Pero a traxedia convenceume de que fracasei como nai,
02:17
and it's partially this sense of failure that brings me here today.
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e en parte é este sentimento de fracaso o que me trae hoxe aquí.
02:23
Aside from his father,
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Á parte de seu pai,
02:24
I was the one person who knew and loved Dylan the most.
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eu era a persoa que máis coñecía e quería a Dylan.
02:28
If anyone could have known what was happening,
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Se alguén puidese saber o que pasaba,
02:30
it should have been me, right?
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debería ser eu, non si?
02:33
But I didn't know.
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Pero non o sabía.
02:37
Today, I'm here to share the experience
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Estou aquí para compartir a experiencia
02:39
of what it's like to be the mother of someone who kills and hurts.
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do que é ser a nai de alguén que mata e causa dor.
02:44
For years after the tragedy, I combed through memories,
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Durante anos despois da traxedia repasei moitos recordos
02:47
trying to figure out exactly where I failed as a parent.
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intentando atopar en que fallara como nai.
02:52
But there are no simple answers.
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Pero non hai respostas simples.
02:54
I can't give you any solutions.
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Non podo darvos ningunha solución.
02:57
All I can do
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Todo o que podo facer
02:59
is share what I have learned.
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é compartir o que aprendín.
03:03
When I talk to people who didn't know me before the shootings,
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Cando falo con xente que non me coñecía antes do tiroteo
03:06
I have three challenges to meet.
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enfróntome a tres desafíos.
03:09
First, when I walk into a room like this,
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O primeiro, cando entro nunha sala coma esta,
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I never know if someone there has experienced loss
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nunca sei se alguén que está aquí sufriu a falta dun ser querido
03:16
because of what my son did.
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por culpa do que fixo o meu fillo.
03:19
I feel a need to acknowledge the suffering caused by a member of my family
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Sinto que debo recoñecer o sufrimento que un membro da miña familia causou
03:24
who isn't here to do it for himself.
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xa que el non está aquí para facelo.
03:26
So first, with all of my heart,
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Así que, con todo o meu corazón,
03:30
I'm sorry if my son has caused you pain.
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pídovos perdón pola dor que o meu fillo vos puido causar.
03:35
The second challenge I have
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O segundo desafío ó que me enfronto
03:37
is that I must ask for understanding and even compassion
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é que debo pedir comprensión e incluso compaixón
03:42
when I talk about my son's death as a suicide.
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cando falo sobre a morte do meu fillo coma un suicidio.
03:46
Two years before he died,
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Dous anos antes de morrer
03:48
he wrote on a piece of paper in a notebook
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escribiu nun caderno
03:50
that he was cutting himself.
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que se estaba cortando.
03:53
He said that he was in agony
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Dicía que estaba angustiado
03:54
and wanted to get a gun so he could end his life.
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e que quería unha pistola para acabar coa súa vida.
03:57
I didn't know about any of this until months after his death.
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Non souben nada disto ata meses despois da súa morte.
04:02
When I talk about his death as a suicide,
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Cando falo da súa morte coma un suicidio,
04:05
I'm not trying to downplay the viciousness he showed at the end of his life.
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non pretendo minimizar a maldade que mostrou ao fin da súa vida.
04:10
I'm trying to understand
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Estou intentando entender
04:12
how his suicidal thinking
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como o seu pensamento suicida
04:14
led to murder.
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o levou a asasinar.
04:16
After a lot of reading and talking with experts,
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Despois de ler moito e falar con expertos,
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I have come to believe
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cheguei á conclusión
04:21
that his involvement in the shootings was rooted not in his desire to kill
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de que a súa participación no tiroteo xurdía non dun desexo de matar,
04:27
but in his desire to die.
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senón dun desexo de morrer.
04:30
The third challenge I have when I talk about my son's murder-suicide
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O terceiro desafío que teño cando falo da morte-suicidio do meu fillo
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is that I'm talking about mental health --
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é que estou falando de saúde mental,
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excuse me --
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--perdón--
04:40
is that I'm talking about mental health,
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é que estou falando de saúde mental
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or brain health, as I prefer to call it, because it's more concrete.
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ou saúde cerebral, como prefiro chamarlle, porque é máis concreto.
04:47
And in the same breath, I'm talking about violence.
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E ao mesmo tempo, estou a falar de violencia.
04:51
The last thing I want to do is to contribute to the misunderstanding
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O último que quero facer é contribuír á incomprensión
04:54
that already exists around mental illness.
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que xa existe arredor das enfermidades mentais.
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Only a very small percent of those who have a mental illness
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Só unha pequena porcentaxe da xente que pacede unha enfermidade mental
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are violent toward other people,
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actúa de xeito violento contra outras persoas,
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but of those who die by suicide,
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pero daqueles que se suicidan,
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it's estimated that about 75 to maybe more than 90 percent
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estímase que entre o 75 e talvez máis do 90 por cento
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have a diagnosable mental health condition of some kind.
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teñen algún tipo de problema mental diagnosticable.
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As you all know very well,
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Como ben sabedes,
05:19
our mental health care system is not equipped to help everyone,
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o noso sistema de saúde non está preparado para axudar a todos
05:23
and not everyone with destructive thoughts
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e non todo o mundo con pensamentos destrutivos
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fits the criteria
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cumpre os criterios
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for a specific diagnosis.
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para un diagnóstico específico.
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Many who have ongoing feelings
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Moita xente que ten pensamentos constantes
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of fear or anger or hopelessness
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de medo, enfado ou desesperanza
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are never assessed or treated.
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nunca é avaliada ou tratada.
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Too often, they get our attention only if they reach a behavioral crisis.
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A miúdo, só reciben a nosa atención se chegan a ter unha crise.
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If estimates are correct
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Se son correctos os cálculos que din
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that about one to two percent of all suicides
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que entre o 1 e o 2% dos suicidios
05:50
involves the murder of another person,
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supoñen o asasinato doutra persoa,
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when suicide rates rise, as they are rising for some populations,
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cando as taxas de suicidio soben, como está pasando nalgúns lugares,
05:58
the murder-suicide rates will rise as well.
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as taxas de asasinato e suicidio tamén subirán.
06:02
I wanted to understand what was going on in Dylan's mind prior to his death,
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Eu quería entender o que pasaba pola cabeza do meu fillo antes da súa morte,
06:07
so I looked for answers from other survivors of suicide loss.
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así que busquei respostas daqueles que sufriran unha perda por suicidio.
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I did research and volunteered to help with fund-raising events,
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Investiguei e axudei na recadación de fondos,
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and whenever I could,
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e sempre que podía,
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I talked with those who had survived their own suicidal crisis
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falaba con persoas que sobreviviran á súa propia crise suicida
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or attempt.
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ou intento de suicidio.
06:26
One of the most helpful conversations I had
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Unha das conversas que máis me axudaron
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was with a coworker
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foi cunha compañeira
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who overheard me talking to someone else
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que me oíu falando con outra persoa
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in my office cubicle.
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na oficina.
06:34
She heard me say that Dylan could not have loved me
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Oíume dicir que non podía ser que Dylan me quixera
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if he could do something as horrible as he did.
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se puidera facer algo tan horrible coma o que fixera.
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Later, when she found me alone,
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Máis tarde, cando me atopou soa,
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she apologized for overhearing that conversation,
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desculpouse por escoitar a conversa,
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but told me that I was wrong.
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pero díxome que estaba enganada.
06:49
She said that when she was a young, single mother
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Contoume que cando era unha nai nova e solteira
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with three small children,
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con tres fillos pequenos,
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she became severely depressed and was hospitalized to keep her safe.
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tivera depresión e fora hospitalizada pola súa propia seguridade.
06:59
At the time, she was certain
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Naquel momento, ela estaba segura
07:02
that her children would be better off if she died,
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de que os seus fillos estarían mellor se ela morrese,
07:05
so she had made a plan to end her life.
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así que decidira acabar coa súa vida.
07:08
She assured me that a mother's love was the strongest bond on Earth,
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Aseguroume que o amor dunha nai é o vínculo máis forte que hai na Terra
07:12
and that she loved her children more than anything in the world,
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e que lles quería aos seus fillos máis que a nada no mundo,
07:16
but because of her illness,
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pero debido á súa enfermidade,
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she was sure that they would be better off without her.
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estaba segura de que estarían mellor sen ela.
07:23
What she said and what I've learned from others
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O que me contou e o que aprendín doutros
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is that we do not make the so-called decision or choice
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é que non tomamos a decisión ou elección
07:30
to die by suicide
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de suicidarnos
07:32
in the same way that we choose what car to drive
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do mesmo xeito que escollemos qué coche conducimos
07:35
or where to go on a Saturday night.
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ou a onde ir un sábado á noite.
07:38
When someone is in an extremely suicidal state,
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Cando alguén se encontra nun estado suicida extremo,
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they are in a stage four medical health emergency.
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trátase dunha emerxencia médica.
07:46
Their thinking is impaired and they've lost access to tools of self-governance.
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A súa forma de pensar vese alterada e perde os mecanismos de autocontrol.
07:52
Even though they can make a plan and act with logic,
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Aínda que poden facer un plan e actuar con lóxica,
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their sense of truth is distorted by a filter of pain
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a súa percepción vese distorsionada por un filtro de dor
07:59
through which they interpret their reality.
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a través do cal interpretan a súa realidade.
08:02
Some people can be very good at hiding this state,
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A algunhas persoas dáselles moi ben esconder este estado,
08:06
and they often have good reasons for doing that.
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e a miúdo teñen bos motivos para facelo.
08:10
Many of us have suicidal thoughts at some point,
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Moitos de nós temos pensamentos suicidas nun momento ou noutro,
08:13
but persistent, ongoing thoughts of suicide
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pero os pensamentos suicidas persistentes,
08:17
and devising a means to die
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e planear a propia morte
08:19
are symptoms of pathology,
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son síntomas dunha patoloxía,
08:21
and like many illnesses,
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e como moitas enfermidades,
08:23
the condition has to be recognized and treated
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o problema debe ser recoñecido e tratado
08:27
before a life is lost.
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antes de que se perda unha vida.
08:30
But my son's death was not purely a suicide.
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Mais a morte do meu fillo non foi só un suicidio.
08:34
It involved mass murder.
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Foi un asasinato masivo.
08:36
I wanted to know how his suicidal thinking became homicidal.
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Eu buscaba comprender como o seu pensamento suicida se volveu homicida.
08:43
But research is sparse and there are no simple answers.
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Pero hai poucas investigacións e non hai respostas sinxelas.
08:48
Yes, he probably had ongoing depression.
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Si, seguro que tiña depresión.
08:52
He had a personality that was perfectionistic and self-reliant,
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A súa personalidade era perfeccionista e autosuficiente,
08:58
and that made him less likely to seek help from others.
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e iso facía que non acostumase a pedir axuda a outra xente.
09:03
He had experienced triggering events at the school
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No colexio sufriu experiencias traumáticas
09:07
that left him feeling debased and humiliated and mad.
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que lle fixeron sentirse insignificante, humillado e enfadado.
09:13
And he had a complicated friendship
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E tiña unha amizade complicada
09:17
with a boy who shared his feelings of rage and alienation,
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cun rapaz que compartía os seus sentimentos de rabia e alienación,
09:21
and who was seriously disturbed,
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e que estaba moi perturbado, era controlador
09:24
controlling and homicidal.
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e tiña instinto homicida.
09:28
And on top of this period in his life
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E por riba de todo isto
09:30
of extreme vulnerability and fragility,
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neste período de vulnerabilidade e fraxilidade
09:35
Dylan found access to guns
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Dylan tivo acceso a armas de fogo,
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even though we'd never owned any in our home.
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aínda que nunca tiveramos unha na casa.
09:40
It was appallingly easy for a 17-year-old boy to buy guns,
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Foi moi fácil para un rapaz de 17 anos comprar armas,
09:45
both legally and illegally, without my permission or knowledge.
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tanto legal como ilegalmente, sen que eu o soubera ou lle dera permiso.
09:51
And somehow, 17 years and many school shootings later,
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E por algunha razón, 17 anos e moitos tiroteos en escolas despois,
09:56
it's still appallingly easy.
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aínda é espantosamente fácil.
10:00
What Dylan did that day broke my heart,
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O que Dylan fixo ese día rompeume o corazón,
10:05
and as trauma so often does,
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e como pasa co trauma a miúdo,
10:06
it took a toll on my body and on my mind.
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causou estragos no meu corpo e na miña mente
10:11
Two years after the shootings, I got breast cancer,
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Dous anos despois do tiroteo, tiven cáncer de mama,
10:15
and two years after that, I began to have mental health problems.
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e dous anos despois diso, comecei a ter problemas mentais.
10:20
On top of the constant, perpetual grief
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Ademais da tristeza constante
10:23
I was terrified that I would run into a family member
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aterrábame atoparme con algún familiar
10:27
of someone Dylan had killed,
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de alguén que Dylan matara,
10:29
or be accosted by the press
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ou que me abordase a prensa
10:31
or by an angry citizen.
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ou algún cidadán anoxado.
10:34
I was afraid to turn on the news,
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Tiña medo de poñer as noticias,
10:37
afraid to hear myself being called a terrible parent or a disgusting person.
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medo de que dixeran que era unha mala nai ou unha persoa noxenta.
10:45
I started having panic attacks.
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Comecei a sufrir ataques de pánico.
10:49
The first bout started four years after the shootings,
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A primeira vez foi catro anos despois do tiroteo,
10:53
when I was getting ready for the depositions
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cando me estaba preparando para testificar
10:55
and would have to meet the victims' families face to face.
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e ía ter que ver ás familias das vítimas cara a cara.
10:59
The second round started six years after the shootings,
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A segunda vez comezou seis anos despois do tiroteo,
11:02
when I was preparing to speak publicly about murder-suicide
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cando me estaba preparando para falar en público sobre o suicidio
11:06
for the first time at a conference.
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por primeira vez, nunha conferencia.
11:09
Both episodes lasted several weeks.
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Ambos episodios duraron varias semanas.
11:13
The attacks happened everywhere:
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Os ataques dábanme en calquera lugar:
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in the hardware store, in my office,
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na ferraxería, na oficina,
11:19
or even while reading a book in bed.
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ou incluso cando estaba na cama lendo.
11:22
My mind would suddenly lock into this spinning cycle of terror
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A miña mente bloqueábase nun círculo de terror
11:27
and no matter how I hard I tried
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e por moito que intentase calmarme
11:29
to calm myself down or reason my way out of it,
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ou razoar o que me pasaba,
11:33
I couldn't do it.
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non o conseguía.
11:36
It felt as if my brain was trying to kill me,
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Era coma se o meu cerebro estivese intentando matarme,
11:39
and then, being afraid of being afraid
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e naquel momento, ter medo de ter medo
11:42
consumed all of my thoughts.
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consumía todos os meus pensamentos.
11:45
That's when I learned firsthand
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Daquela aprendín de primeira man
11:46
what it feels like to have a malfunctioning mind,
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o que se sente cando a mente non che funciona ben
11:50
and that's when I truly became a brain health advocate.
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e foi cando me convertín nunha verdadeira defensora da saúde cerebral.
11:55
With therapy and medication and self-care,
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Con terapia, medicación e autocoidados,
11:58
life eventually returned
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co tempo a vida volveu
12:00
to whatever could be thought of as normal under the circumstances.
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ao que podería considerase normal nestas circunstancias.
12:05
When I looked back on all that had happened,
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Cando volvín a vista atrás
12:07
I could see that my son's spiral into dysfunction
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puiden ver que a espiral disfuncional na que caeu o meu fillo
12:11
probably occurred over a period of about two years,
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probablemente lle ocorrera ao longo dun período de dous anos,
12:15
plenty of time to get him help,
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tempo abondo para conseguirlle axuda,
12:18
if only someone had known that he needed help
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se alguén se dera conta de que a precisaba
12:21
and known what to do.
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e soubera qué facer.
12:27
Every time someone asks me,
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Cada vez que alguén me pregunta,
12:30
"How could you not have known?",
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"Como é que non o sabías?",
12:32
it feels like a punch in the gut.
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síntome coma se me pegasen no estómago.
12:35
It carries accusation and taps into my feelings of guilt
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Parece unha acusación, e cáusame un sentimento de culpa
12:40
that no matter how much therapy I've had
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que, a pesar de toda a terapia que fixen,
12:42
I will never fully eradicate.
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nunca se borra de todo.
12:45
But here's something I've learned:
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Mais hai algo que aprendín:
12:48
if love were enough
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se o amor abondara
12:50
to stop someone who is suicidal
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para evitar que as persoas suicidas
12:52
from hurting themselves,
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se fixesen dano,
12:54
suicides would hardly ever happen.
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os suicidios nunca ocorrerían.
12:58
But love is not enough,
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Pero o amor non basta,
13:01
and suicide is prevalent.
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e o suicidio é frecuente.
13:03
It's the second leading cause of death
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É a segunda causa de morte
13:06
for people age 10 to 34,
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na xente de entre 10 e 34 anos,
13:09
and 15 percent of American youth
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e o 15 % da mocidade estadounidense
13:12
report having made a suicide plan
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di que planeou o seu suicidio
13:14
in the last year.
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no último ano.
13:17
I've learned that no matter how much we want to believe we can,
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Aprendín que por moito que queiramos crer o contrario
13:22
we cannot know or control
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non podemos saber ou controlar
13:25
everything our loved ones think and feel,
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o que senten os nosos seres queridos,
13:28
and the stubborn belief that we are somehow different,
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e a crenza teimuda de que somos distintos,
13:32
that someone we love would never think of hurting themselves
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de que alguén que nós queremos nunca pensaría en facerse dano
13:35
or someone else,
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ou facerllo a outra persoa,
13:37
can cause us to miss
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pode provocar que non vexamos
13:39
what's hidden in plain sight.
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o que está escondido a simple vista.
13:43
And if worst case scenarios do come to pass,
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E se a peor das posibilidades sucede,
13:48
we'll have to learn to forgive ourselves for not knowing
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temos que aprender a perdoarnos por non saber
13:52
or for not asking the right questions
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ou por non facer as preguntas correctas
13:54
or not finding the right treatment.
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ou por non atopar o tratamento adecuado.
13:59
We should always assume
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Sempre debemos asumir
14:00
that someone we love may be suffering,
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que alguén que queremos pode estar sufrindo,
14:03
regardless of what they say
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a pesar do que diga
14:06
or how they act.
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ou de como actúe.
14:08
We should listen with our whole being,
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Debemos escoitar con todo o noso ser,
14:11
without judgments,
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sen xulgar,
14:13
and without offering solutions.
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e sen ofrecer solucións.
14:19
I know that I will live with this tragedy,
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Sei que vivirei con esta traxedia,
14:22
with these multiple tragedies,
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con estas traxedias múltiples,
14:24
for the rest of my life.
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durante o resto da miña vida.
14:27
I know that in the minds of many,
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Sei que para moitos,
14:32
what I lost can't compare to what the other families lost.
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o que eu perdín non se pode comparar co que perderon o resto das familias.
14:38
I know my struggle doesn't make theirs any easier.
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Sei que o meu sufrimento non fai o deles máis sinxelo.
14:42
I know there are even some who think I don't have the right to any pain,
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Sei que hai incluso xente que pensa que non teño dereito a sufrir,
14:48
but only to a life of permanent penance.
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só a unha vida de penitencia permanente.
14:53
In the end what I know comes down to this:
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Ó final, o que sei resúmese nisto:
14:57
the tragic fact is that even the most vigilant and responsible of us
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a tráxica realidade é que incluso os máis responsables e atentos de nós
15:03
may not be able to help,
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podemos non ser capaces de axudar,
15:06
but for love's sake,
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pero en nome do amor,
15:08
we must never stop trying
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non debemos deixar de intentar
15:11
to know the unknowable.
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saber o que non se pode saber.
15:13
Thank you.
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Grazas.
15:14
(Applause)
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(Aplausos)
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