The way we think about work is broken | Barry Schwartz

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Today I'm going to talk about work.
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And the question I want to ask and answer is this:
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"Why do we work?"
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Why do we drag ourselves out of bed every morning
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instead of living our lives
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just filled with bouncing from one TED-like adventure to another?
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(Laughter)
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You may be asking yourselves that very question.
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Now, I know of course, we have to make a living,
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but nobody in this room thinks that that's the answer to the question,
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"Why do we work?"
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For folks in this room, the work we do is challenging,
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it's engaging, it's stimulating, it's meaningful.
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And if we're lucky, it might even be important.
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So, we wouldn't work if we didn't get paid,
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but that's not why we do what we do.
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And in general,
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I think we think that material rewards are a pretty bad reason
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for doing the work that we do.
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When we say of somebody that he's "in it for the money,"
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we are not just being descriptive.
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(Laughter)
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Now, I think this is totally obvious,
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but the very obviousness of it raises what is for me
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an incredibly profound question.
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Why, if this is so obvious,
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why is it that for the overwhelming majority of people on the planet,
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the work they do has none of the characteristics
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that get us up and out of bed and off to the office every morning?
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How is it that we allow the majority of people on the planet
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to do work that is monotonous, meaningless and soul-deadening?
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Why is it that as capitalism developed,
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it created a mode of production, of goods and services,
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in which all the nonmaterial satisfactions that might come from work were eliminated?
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Workers who do this kind of work,
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whether they do it in factories, in call centers,
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or in fulfillment warehouses,
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do it for pay.
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There is certainly no other earthly reason to do what they do except for pay.
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So the question is, "Why?"
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And here's the answer:
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the answer is technology.
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Now, I know, I know --
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yeah, yeah, yeah, technology, automation screws people, blah blah --
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that's not what I mean.
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I'm not talking about the kind of technology
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that has enveloped our lives, and that people come to TED to hear about.
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I'm not talking about the technology of things,
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profound though that is.
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I'm talking about another technology.
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I'm talking about the technology of ideas.
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I call it, "idea technology" --
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how clever of me.
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(Laughter)
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In addition to creating things, science creates ideas.
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Science creates ways of understanding.
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And in the social sciences,
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the ways of understanding that get created are ways of understanding ourselves.
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And they have an enormous influence on how we think, what we aspire to,
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and how we act.
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If you think your poverty is God's will, you pray.
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If you think your poverty is the result of your own inadequacy,
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you shrink into despair.
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And if you think your poverty is the result of oppression and domination,
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then you rise up in revolt.
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Whether your response to poverty is resignation or revolution,
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depends on how you understand the sources of your poverty.
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This is the role that ideas play in shaping us as human beings,
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and this is why idea technology may be the most profoundly important technology
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that science gives us.
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And there's something special about idea technology,
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that makes it different from the technology of things.
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With things, if the technology sucks,
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it just vanishes, right?
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Bad technology disappears.
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With ideas --
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false ideas about human beings will not go away
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if people believe that they're true.
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Because if people believe that they're true,
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they create ways of living and institutions
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that are consistent with these very false ideas.
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And that's how the industrial revolution created a factory system
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in which there was really nothing you could possibly get out of your day's work,
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except for the pay at the end of the day.
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Because the father -- one of the fathers
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of the Industrial Revolution, Adam Smith --
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was convinced that human beings were by their very natures lazy,
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and wouldn't do anything unless you made it worth their while,
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and the way you made it worth their while
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was by incentivizing, by giving them rewards.
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That was the only reason anyone ever did anything.
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So we created a factory system consistent with that false view of human nature.
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But once that system of production was in place,
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there was really no other way for people to operate,
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except in a way that was consistent with Adam Smith's vision.
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So the work example is merely an example
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of how false ideas can create a circumstance
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that ends up making them true.
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It is not true
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that you "just can't get good help anymore."
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It is true
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that you "can't get good help anymore"
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when you give people work to do that is demeaning and soulless.
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And interestingly enough, Adam Smith --
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the same guy who gave us this incredible invention
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of mass production, and division of labor
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-- understood this.
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He said, of people who worked in assembly lines,
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of men who worked in assembly lines, he says:
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"He generally becomes as stupid as it is possible for a human being to become."
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Now, notice the word here is "become."
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"He generally becomes as stupid as it is possible for a human being to become."
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Whether he intended it or not, what Adam Smith was telling us there,
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is that the very shape of the institution within which people work
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creates people who are fitted to the demands of that institution
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and deprives people of the opportunity
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to derive the kinds of satisfactions from their work that we take for granted.
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The thing about science -- natural science --
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is that we can spin fantastic theories about the cosmos,
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and have complete confidence
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that the cosmos is completely indifferent to our theories.
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It's going to work the same damn way
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no matter what theories we have about the cosmos.
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But we do have to worry about the theories we have of human nature,
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because human nature will be changed by the theories we have
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that are designed to explain and help us understand human beings.
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The distinguished anthropologist, Clifford Geertz, said, years ago,
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that human beings are the "unfinished animals."
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And what he meant by that was that it is only human nature
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to have a human nature
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that is very much the product of the society in which people live.
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That human nature, that is to say our human nature,
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is much more created than it is discovered.
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We design human nature
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by designing the institutions within which people live and work.
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And so you people --
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pretty much the closest I ever get to being with masters of the universe --
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you people should be asking yourself a question,
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as you go back home to run your organizations.
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Just what kind of human nature do you want to help design?
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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Thanks.
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