Barry Schwartz: Using our practical wisdom

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翻译人员: Jenny Yang 校对人员: Gary Wang
00:15
The first thing I want to do is say thank you to all of you.
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首先,我想要感谢大家
00:18
The second thing I want to do is introduce my co-author
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第二,我要介绍我的合著者
00:21
and dear friend and co-teacher.
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我亲密的朋友和合作老师,
00:23
Ken and I have been working together
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肯尼斯和我在一起工作
00:25
for almost 40 years.
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已经有将近40年了。
00:27
That's Ken Sharpe over there.
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肯尼斯·夏普就坐在那里。
00:29
(Applause)
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(掌声)
00:31
So there is among many people --
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很多人——
00:34
certainly me and most of the people I talk to --
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包括我,和大部份与我交谈过的人——
00:36
a kind of collective dissatisfaction
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有一种共同的不满:
00:39
with the way things are working,
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对社会上事情运作的方式,
00:41
with the way our institutions run.
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对于社会上机构运转的方式不满。
00:44
Our kids' teachers seem to be failing them.
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我们孩子的老师好象是辜负他们;
00:48
Our doctors don't know who the hell we are,
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我们的医生不知道我们究竟是谁,
00:51
and they don't have enough time for us.
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也没有足够的时间给我们。
00:53
We certainly can't trust the bankers,
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我们当然也不能信任银行家,
00:55
and we certainly can't trust the brokers.
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更不能相信股票经纪人,
00:58
They almost brought the entire financial system down.
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他们几乎弄垮了整个金融体系。
01:01
And even as we do our own work,
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甚至当我们只是做自己的工作时,
01:04
all too often,
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我们也常常会
01:06
we find ourselves having to choose
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会发现自己不得不选择,
01:09
between doing what we think is the right thing
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是做我们认为是正确的事,
01:12
and doing the expected thing,
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还是做被期望做的事,
01:14
or the required thing,
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或是做被要求做的事,
01:16
or the profitable thing.
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还是做有利益的事。
01:18
So everywhere we look,
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所以环顾周围,
01:20
pretty much across the board,
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基本上的情况都是,
01:22
we worry that the people we depend on
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我们担心我们所依靠的人
01:25
don't really have our interests at heart.
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并不真的在乎我们的利益;
01:29
Or if they do have our interests at heart,
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或者即使他们在心里面在乎,
01:32
we worry that they don't know us well enough
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我们担心他们不够了解我们
01:34
to figure out what they need to do
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来弄清他们该怎么做
01:36
in order to allow us
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才能让我们
01:38
to secure those interests.
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确保我们的利益和意愿。
01:40
They don't understand us.
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他们不理解我们。
01:42
They don't have the time to get to know us.
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他们也没有时间来认识我们。
01:44
There are two kinds of responses
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对这种普遍的不满足感,
01:46
that we make
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我们一般会有
01:48
to this sort of general dissatisfaction.
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两种反应。
01:52
If things aren't going right,
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如果事情出错了,
01:54
the first response is:
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第一种回应是:
01:56
let's make more rules,
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让我们制定更多的规则,
01:58
let's set up a set
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让我们设定一系列
02:00
of detailed procedures
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更详细的步骤和程序
02:02
to make sure that people will do the right thing.
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来确保人们做正确的事。
02:05
Give teachers scripts
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比如给老师能在课堂上
02:07
to follow in the classroom,
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遵守的教学守则,
02:09
so even if they don't know what they're doing
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那么即使他们不知道他们在做什么,
02:11
and don't care about the welfare of our kids,
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也不在乎我们孩子的福利和成长,
02:14
as long as they follow the scripts,
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只要他们遵守这些守则,
02:16
our kids will get educated.
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孩子们就能得到教育。
02:18
Give judges a list of mandatory sentences
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比如给法官一张必须执行的判罪清单
02:21
to impose for crimes,
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让他用来治罪
02:23
so that you don't need to rely
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所以你不再需要依赖
02:25
on judges using their judgment.
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法官们自己的判断。
02:28
Instead, all they have to do
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相反,他们所需做的一切
02:30
is look up on the list
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只是对照这个清单,
02:32
what kind of sentence goes with what kind of crime.
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看什么罪行应该给什么判决。
02:35
Impose limits
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比如规定
02:37
on what credit card companies can charge in interest
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信用卡公司能收取利息的范围,
02:40
and on what they can charge in fees.
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和什么方面能收取费用。
02:42
More and more rules
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有越来越多的条例
02:44
to protect us
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来保护我们
02:46
against an indifferent, uncaring
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来对付那些冷漠的没有人情味的
02:48
set of institutions we have to deal with.
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但是我们不得不面对的机构。
02:51
Or -- or maybe and --
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或者,或许应该说是并且,
02:53
in addition to rules,
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除了制定更多的规章条例之外,
02:55
let's see if we can come up
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看看我们还能不能想出
02:57
with some really clever incentives
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一些聪明的激励机制。
02:59
so that, even if the people we deal with
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那样即使如果我们面对的人
03:01
don't particularly want to serve our interests,
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并不特别想满足我们的意愿,
03:04
it is in their interest
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但是为了他们自己的利益
03:06
to serve our interest --
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他们也会来为我们服务--
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the magic incentives
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也就是说,神奇的激励措施
03:10
that will get people to do the right thing
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能让人们纯粹出于私心
03:12
even out of pure selfishness.
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也能做正确的事。
03:15
So we offer teachers bonuses
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所以我们给老师提供奖金,
03:17
if the kids they teach
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如果他们所教的学生
03:19
score passing grades on these big test scores
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能通过那些
03:22
that are used to evaluate
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用来衡量学校质量的
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the quality of school systems.
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大型考试。
03:27
Rules and incentives --
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规则和奖励 --
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"sticks" and "carrots."
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大棒和萝卜。
03:31
We passed a bunch of rules
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在这次金融危机之后,
03:33
to regulate the financial industry
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我们已经又通过了一大把规则
03:35
in response to the recent collapse.
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来规范金融行业。
03:37
There's the Dodd-Frank Act,
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有多德-弗郞克(Dodd-Frank) 法案(美国华尔街改革和个人消费者保护法案),
03:39
there's the new Consumer Financial Protection Agency
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成立了新的暂时实际上由伊丽莎白·罗伦(Elizabeth Warren)
03:42
that is temporarily being headed through the backdoor
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主管的
03:45
by Elizabeth Warren.
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消费者金融保护局。
03:47
Maybe these rules
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也许这些条例
03:49
will actually improve
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真能改善
03:52
the way these financial services companies behave.
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那些金融服务公司的行为方式。
03:56
We'll see.
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我们还需拭目以待。
03:58
In addition, we are struggling
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另一方面, 我们努力
04:00
to find some way to create incentives
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寻找创建激励机制的方法
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for people in the financial services industry
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使得金融服务业界的人
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that will have them more interested
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能够更重视
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in serving the long-term interests
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为长远的利益服务,
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even of their own companies,
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哪怕仅仅是为他们自己的公司的长远利益,
04:12
rather than securing short-term profits.
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而不只是为了取得近期眼前的利润。
04:16
So if we find just the right incentives,
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那样如果我们能找到合适的奖励机制,
04:18
they'll do the right thing -- as I said -- selfishly,
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他们也会“自私地”,如我所讲,做正确的事情。
04:21
and if we come up with the right rules and regulations,
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所以如果我们能制定正确的规章条例,
04:24
they won't drive us all over a cliff.
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他们就不会把我们都拉下悬崖。
04:27
And Ken [Sharpe] and I certainly know
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然而肯尼斯和我当然知道
04:30
that you need to reign in the bankers.
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我们应该支配银行家的行为!
04:33
If there is a lesson to be learned from the financial collapse
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如果从这次金融危机中我们应该学到什么,
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it is that.
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就是这个教训。
04:38
But what we believe,
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但是我们相信,
04:40
and what we argue in the book,
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也是我们这本书的观点,
04:42
is that there is no set of rules,
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那就是:没有任何规定,
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no matter how detailed,
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无论多详细,
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no matter how specific,
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无论多具体,
04:49
no matter how carefully monitored
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无论监管和
04:51
and enforced,
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执行实施多么有力,
04:53
there is no set of rules
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没有任何条例
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that will get us what we need.
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能让我们得到我们起初所希望的。
04:57
Why? Because bankers are smart people.
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为什么?因为银行家很聪明,
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And, like water,
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像水一样,
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they will find cracks
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他们能从任何规定和条例中
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in any set of rules.
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找到漏洞和可乘之机。
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You design a set of rules that will make sure
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你设订一系列法案来确保
05:11
that the particular reason
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那个使整个金融系统
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why the financial system "almost-collapse"
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几乎崩溃的特定原因
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can't happen again.
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不再发生;
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It is naive beyond description
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但如果你认为
05:19
to think that having blocked
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只要把这个导致金融危机的源头堵住了,
05:21
this source of financial collapse,
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就堵住了所有可能
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you have blocked all possible sources of financial collapse.
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导致金融系统崩溃的源头,那未免太天真了。
05:26
So it's just a question of waiting for the next one
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所以这只是等待下一次危机,
05:29
and then marveling at how we could have been so stupid
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然后惊异于我们怎么这么愚蠢,
05:32
as not to protect ourselves against that.
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竟然没有防备到这一招,没有保护到自己。
05:35
What we desperately need,
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我们真正急需的,
05:37
beyond, or along with, better rules
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不光是更完善的制度,
05:40
and reasonably smart incentives,
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和聪明合理的激励,
05:42
is we need virtue.
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而是我们需要美德,
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We need character.
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我们需要人格,
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We need people who want to do the right thing.
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我们需要想要做正确的事的人。
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And in particular,
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特别地,
05:52
the virtue that we need most of all
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我们最需要的美德
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is the virtue that Aristotle called
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是亚里斯多德所称的
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"practical wisdom."
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实用智慧。
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Practical wisdom
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实用智慧-
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is the moral will
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是做正确的事
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to do the right thing
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的道德意志;
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and the moral skill
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是知道什么是正确的
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to figure out what the right thing is.
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道德技巧。
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So Aristotle was very interested in watching
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所以亚里斯多德对于观察
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how the craftsmen around him worked.
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他周围的工匠如何工作很感兴趣。
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And he was impressed
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他对于他们
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at how they would improvise
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如何即兴针对
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novel solutions to novel problems --
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他们也没意料的新问题想出
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problems that they hadn't anticipated.
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新奇的解决方案印象深刻。
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So one example is he sees these stonemasons
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举一个例子:他看到一些石匠
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working on the Isle of Lesbos,
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在莱斯博斯岛做工,
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and they need to measure out
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他们需要测量
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round columns.
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那里的圆柱。
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Well if you think about it,
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如果你想想的话,
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it's really hard to measure out round columns using a ruler.
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用直尺量圆柱真的很难。
06:39
So what do they do?
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所以他们怎么办呢?
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They fashion a novel solution to the problem.
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他们发明了一种新奇的手段。
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They created a ruler that bends,
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他们制作了一种可以弯曲的尺,
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what we would call these days a tape measure --
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也就是现在我们说的卷尺——
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a flexible rule,
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一把灵活的尺
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a rule that bends.
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可弯曲的尺。
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And Aristotle said,
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亚里斯多德就说:
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"Hah, they appreciated that sometimes
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哈,他们也知道有时候
06:59
to design rounded columns,
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要设计圆的柱子,
07:02
you need to bend the rule."
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你需要通融(放松规定)。
07:05
And Aristotle said
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亚里斯多德又说,
07:07
often in dealing with other people,
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对待别人
07:10
we need to bend the rules.
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我们也需要时常通融处理。
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Dealing with other people
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与人相处
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demands a kind of flexibility
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其实需要一定的灵活性,
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that no set of rules can encompass.
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那是没有任何规章条例可以代替的。
07:21
Wise people know when and how
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聪明的人知道什么时候,怎么样
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to bend the rules.
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去酌情处理,不完全遵守死规定。
07:25
Wise people know how to improvise.
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有智慧的人知道如何针对具体情况恰当地处理。
07:28
The way my co-author , Ken, and I talk about it,
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我的合著者肯尼斯和我说起这个,
07:31
they are kind of like jazz musicians.
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他们就像爵士音乐家;
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The rules are like the notes on the page,
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规章制度就像纸上的音符,
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and that gets you started,
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你先按照音符所定的曲调开始,
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but then you dance around the notes on the page,
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但是然后你便在音符之间即兴发挥,
07:40
coming up with just the right combination
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与当时那些一起表演的人一起
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for this particular moment
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跳出那些最符合当时那个时刻的
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with this particular set of fellow players.
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最美妙的最佳配合。
07:47
So for Aristotle,
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所以对于亚里斯多德,
07:49
the kind
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这种
07:52
of rule-bending,
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酌情处理,
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rule exception-finding and improvisation
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你从熟练工匠中
07:58
that you see in skilled craftsmen
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能看到的即兴发挥和不死板执行规定,
08:00
is exactly what you need
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正是你要成为一个道德层面的熟练工匠
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to be a skilled moral craftsman.
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所需要的。
08:05
And in interactions with people,
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并且在对待他人
08:07
almost all the time,
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的几乎任何时候,
08:09
it is this kind of flexibility that is required.
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这种一定程度的灵活性是必须的。
08:11
A wise person knows when to bend the rules.
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聪明人知道什么时候不死板地按照规矩办事。
08:14
A wise person knows when to improvise.
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有智慧的人知道何时应该即兴发挥。
08:16
And most important,
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最重要的是,
08:18
a wise person does this improvising and rule-bending
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智慧的人做这种即兴发挥和酌情处理
08:21
in the service of the right aims.
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是为着正义的目的。
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If you are a rule-bender and an improviser
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如果你不按章办事,灵活处理的目的
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mostly to serve yourself,
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只是为了自己的利益,
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what you get is ruthless manipulation of other people.
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你就只是对他人无情的控制和摆布。
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So it matters that you do this wise practice
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所以重要的是你做这种灵活处理的行为
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in the service of others
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是为他人服务,
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and not in the service of yourself.
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而不是为自己。
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And so the will to do the right thing
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所以想要做正义事情的愿望
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is just as important as the moral skill
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与即兴发挥
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of improvisation
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和特殊情况特殊处理
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and exception-finding.
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的道德技巧一样重要。
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Together they comprise practical wisdom,
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这些品质拼在一起就是实用智慧——
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which Aristotle thought
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亚里斯多德认为的
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was the master virtue.
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所有美德之核心。
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So I'll give you an example
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让我来举一个
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of wise practice in action.
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这种智慧实践的例子。
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It's the case of Michael.
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这是迈克的故事。
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Michael's a young guy.
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迈克是一个年轻人。
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He had a pretty low-wage job.
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他有一份很低薪的工作,
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He was supporting his wife and a child,
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得养活妻子和一个孩子,
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and the child was going to parochial school.
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孩子将要上教区学校。
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Then he lost his job.
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然而他丢了工作,
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He panicked
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他极度惊慌担忧
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about being able to support his family.
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能不能继续养家糊口。
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One night, he drank a little too much,
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一天晚上,他喝的有点多,
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and he robbed a cab driver --
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抢劫了一个出租司机,
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stole 50 dollars.
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偷了50美金。
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He robbed him at gunpoint.
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他是用枪来抢劫的,
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It was a toy gun.
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用的是把玩具枪。
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He got caught. He got tried.
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他被抓住了,被控告,
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He got convicted.
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被定罪了。
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The Pennsylvania sentencing guidelines
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宾夕法尼亚的判决条例
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required a minimum sentence for a crime like this
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要求对于这类罪行的处罚
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of two years, 24 months.
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最低为两年,24个月。
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The judge on the case, Judge Lois Forer
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这个案子的法官,法官罗易斯·佛热(Lois Forer)
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thought that this made no sense.
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认为条例在这个案子上没有道理。
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He had never committed a crime before.
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迈克以前没有过任何犯罪记录,
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He was a responsible husband and father.
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他是一个负责任的丈夫和父亲,
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He had been faced with desperate circumstances.
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他面对的是绝望的处境。
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All this would do is wreck a family.
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条例所规定的判决只会毁了这个家,
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And so she improvised a sentence -- 11 months,
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于是她酌情处理出一个判决——11个月。
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and not only that,
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不仅那样,
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but release every day to go to work.
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还每天把迈克释放出去让他去工作。
10:08
Spend your night in jail, spend your day holding down a job.
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晚上坐监,白天工作。
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He did. He served out his sentence.
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迈克这么做了。他服完了他的判决。
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He made restitution
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他做出了赔偿,
10:16
and found himself a new job.
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找到了新工作,
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And the family was united.
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家庭复原了。
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And it seemed on the road
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一切似乎在通往
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to some sort of a decent life --
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一种得体生活的正轨上——
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a happy ending to a story
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一个有智慧的法官
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involving wise improvisation
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作了酌情处理之后的故事的
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from a wise judge.
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完美结局。
10:34
But it turned out
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但是结果呢,
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the prosecutor was not happy
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检察官不高兴,
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that Judge Forer ignored the sentencing guidelines
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说佛热法官没有按照判决条例办事,
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and sort of invented her own,
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而是随便发明了她自己的判决,
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and so he appealed.
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所以他再上诉反对。
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And he asked for the mandatory minimum sentence
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他要求按照持枪抢劫罪名的
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for armed robbery.
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最低处罚来定罪。
10:53
He did after all have a toy gun.
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毕竟,迈克的确用了一把玩具枪。
10:56
The mandatory minimum sentence for armed robbery
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持枪抢劫的最低处罚
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is five years.
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是 5 年。
11:01
He won the appeal.
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检察官赢了上诉。
11:03
Michael was sentenced to five years in prison.
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迈克被判坐监5年。
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Judge Forer had to follow the law.
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佛热法官必须按法律办事。
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And by the way, this appeal went through
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另外说一句, 上诉通过时,
11:13
after he had finished serving his sentence,
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是在迈克已经结束服刑之后,
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so he was out and working at a job
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所以他已经在外开始工作,
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and taking care of his family
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照料他的家庭,
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and he had to go back into jail.
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但他现在得重返监狱。
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Judge Forer did what she was required to do,
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佛热法官做了法律要求她做的,
11:25
and then she quit the bench.
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接着她辞职了。
11:29
And Michael disappeared.
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迈克呢,消失了。
11:33
So that is an example,
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所以这就是一个
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both of wisdom in practice
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既有智慧的实践,
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and the subversion of wisdom
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也有智慧被那些本来是
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by rules that are meant, of course, to make things better.
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应该让事情更好的规定所颠覆推翻的例子。
11:42
Now consider Ms. Dewey.
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现在来讲杜伊(Dewey)女士的故事。
11:44
Ms. Dewey's a teacher in a Texas elementary school.
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杜伊女士是德州小学的一名教师。
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She found herself listening to a consultant one day
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一天她在听一个咨询顾问
11:50
who was trying to help teachers
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给老师提建议
11:52
boost the test scores of the kids,
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来提高学生成绩,
11:54
so that the school
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那样学校
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would reach the elite category
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就可以因为通过大型考试的学生的比例
11:59
in percentage of kids passing big tests.
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成为精英学校。
12:01
All these schools in Texas compete with one another
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所以这些在德州的学校相互竞争
12:03
to achieve these milestones,
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来达到这些通过指标,
12:05
and there are bonuses and various other treats
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并且如果你打败了其他学校
12:08
that come if you beat the other schools.
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你就能得到各种各样的奖励和优惠。
12:11
So here was the consultant's advice:
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所以咨询顾问的建议是:
12:14
first, don't waste your time on kids
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第一:不要在那些不管你做什么,都能够通过考试的
12:17
who are going to pass the test no matter what you do.
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学生身上浪费时间;
12:21
Second, don't waste your time
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第二,不要在不管你做什么
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on kids who can't pass the test
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都通过不了考试的学生身上
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no matter what you do.
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浪费时间;
12:28
Third, don't waste your time
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第三,不要在那些
12:30
on kids who moved into the district
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太迟进入这个学区,成绩不会记入评比系统的
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too late for their scores to be counted.
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学生身上浪费时间。
12:36
Focus all of your time and attention
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集中所有你们的时间和注意力
12:39
on the kids who are on the bubble,
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在那些边界线上的孩子身上,
12:42
the so-called "bubble kids" --
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简称边界孩子——
12:44
kids where your intervention
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那些通过你们的介入和努力
12:46
can get them just maybe over the line
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也许能从不及格
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from failing to passing.
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到通过考试的孩子。
12:50
So Ms. Dewey heard this,
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那么杜伊女士听到了这个,
12:52
and she shook her head in despair
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她绝望地摇头,
12:55
while fellow teachers were sort of cheering each other on
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然而她的同事老师们却互相欢呼,
12:58
and nodding approvingly.
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赞许地点头,
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It's like they were about to go play a football game.
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就好像他们正要去一场橄榄球比赛一样。
13:02
For Ms. Dewey,
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但是杜伊女士觉得,
13:04
this isn't why she became a teacher.
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这不是她成为老师的目的啊。
13:07
Now Ken and I are not naive,
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应该说,肯尼斯和我并不天真,
13:09
and we understand that you need to have rules.
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我们理解这个社会需要规章条例,
13:12
You need to have incentives.
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也需要刺激和奖励。
13:14
People have to make a living.
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人们需要谋生。
13:16
But the problem
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但是依赖规矩和激励
13:18
with relying on rules and incentives
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的问题在于
13:20
is that they demoralize
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它们使人们对工作
13:23
professional activity,
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觉得很没意思。
13:25
and they demoralize professional activity
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它们让人觉得职业活动很没意思
13:27
in two senses.
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有两方面。
13:29
First, they demoralize the people
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第一,他们使人们
13:31
who are engaged in the activity.
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工作起来觉得没劲。
13:33
Judge Forer quits,
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佛热法官辞职了,
13:35
and Ms. Dewey in completely disheartened.
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杜伊女士彻底沮丧。
13:37
And second,
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第二,
13:39
they demoralize the activity itself.
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他们使活动本身没有意思。
13:41
The very practice is demoralized,
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活动本身没劲,
13:44
and the practitioners are demoralized.
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参加的人沮丧。
13:46
It creates people --
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当你想通过不同的奖励
13:48
when you manipulate incentives to get people to do the right thing --
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来刺激人们做对的事时,
13:51
it creates people
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人们逐渐对
13:53
who are addicted to incentives.
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这些奖励上瘾。
13:55
That is to say, it creates people
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也就是说,它产生的是
13:57
who only do things for incentives.
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只为奖励做事的人。
13:59
Now the striking thing about this
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引人注目的是,
14:01
is that psychologists have known this
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心理学家知道这一点
14:03
for 30 years.
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已经有30年。
14:05
Psychologists have known
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心理学家已经知道
14:07
about the negative consequences of incentivizing everything
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把所有事情都用奖励来驱动的负面结果
14:10
for 30 years.
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有30年了。
14:12
We know that if you reward kids for drawing pictures,
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我们知道如果你奖励孩子画画,
14:15
they stop caring about the drawing
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他们停止关心画画本身,
14:17
and care only about the reward.
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而只在乎奖励;
14:19
If you reward kids for reading books,
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如果你奖励孩子读书,
14:21
they stop caring about what's in the books
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他们停止关心书的内容
14:24
and only care about how long they are.
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而只关心书有多厚;
14:26
If you reward teachers for kids' test scores,
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如果你为孩子的成绩奖励老师,
14:29
they stop caring about educating
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他们不再关心教育本身,
14:31
and only care about test preparation.
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而只是关心备考。
14:33
If you were to reward doctors
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如果你去奖励医生
14:35
for doing more procedures --
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走更多的检查程序,
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which is the current system -- they would do more.
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现在的系统正是这样, 那他们就会去走更多的程序。
14:39
If instead you reward doctors for doing fewer procedures,
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如果你奖励他们走少些步骤,
14:42
they will do fewer.
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他们就会少走步骤。
14:44
What we want, of course,
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而我们需要的
14:46
is doctors who do just the right amount of procedures
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是医生提供恰如其分的检查步骤,
14:48
and do the right amount for the right reason --
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为了正当的理由做适量的工作,
14:51
namely, to serve the welfare of their patients.
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换句话说, 为病人的福利服务。
14:54
Psychologists have known this for decades,
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心理学家知道这个已经有几十年了,
14:56
and it's time for policymakers
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现在是政策制定者开始
14:59
to start paying attention
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关心这个的时候了,
15:01
and listen to psychologists a little bit,
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他们应该听听心理学家的,
15:04
instead of economists.
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而不只是经济学家的建议。
15:07
And it doesn't have to be this way.
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社会本来不必像现在这样,
15:09
We think, Ken and I, that there are real sources of hope.
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我和肯尼斯都认为希望是真的存在的。
15:12
We identify one set of people
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我们从所有这些领域中
15:14
in all of these practices
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发现有一批人,
15:16
who we call canny outlaws.
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一些我们称为精明的犯规者的人。
15:18
These are people
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这些
15:20
who, being forced to operate
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被逼在这个
15:23
in a system that demands rule-following
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要求照章办事
15:25
and creates incentives,
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和制造奖励机制的系统里工作的人
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find away around the rules,
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在规范中钻空子,
15:29
find a way to subvert the rules.
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找到推倒规则的方法。
15:32
So there are teachers who have these scripts to follow,
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所以,需要按照教案上课的老师
15:34
and they know that if they follow these scripts, the kids will learn nothing.
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当他们知道用这些教案的话,孩子会一无所获时,
15:37
And so what they do is they follow the scripts,
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他们就要按照教案
15:40
but they follow the scripts at double-time
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快速地走一遍,
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and squirrel away little bits of extra time
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拐弯抹角地找出多余的时间,
15:46
during which they teach in the way
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来用他们知道的
15:48
that they actually know is effective.
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有效的办法来教学。
15:51
So these are little ordinary, everyday heroes,
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这些人是平常人物,是日常生活中的英雄,
15:54
and they're incredibly admirable,
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但是极其令人钦佩。
15:56
but there's no way that they can sustain this kind of activity
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但是他们不可能保持这样的做法太久,
15:59
in the face of a system
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因为他们面对的是一个系统,
16:01
that either roots them out
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这个系统不是将他们剔除出去
16:03
or grinds them down.
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就是把他们磨碎让他们屈服。
16:05
So canny outlaws are better than nothing,
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但是有这些精明的犯规者比没有要好,
16:07
but it's hard to imagine any canny outlaw
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但是很难想象这样的犯规
16:09
sustaining that for an indefinite period of time.
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行为能长期持续。
16:12
More hopeful
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更有希望的
16:14
are people we call system-changers.
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是那些我们称之为改变系统的人。
16:16
These are people who are looking
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这些人不是
16:18
not to dodge the system's rules and regulations,
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躲避系统规则和制度,
16:21
but to transform the system,
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而是寻求改变系统的方法。
16:23
and we talk about several.
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我们讲几个这样的例子。
16:25
One in particular
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其中特别要提到的
16:27
is a judge named Robert Russell.
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是一个叫罗伯特·罗素(Robert Russel)的法官。
16:30
And one day he was faced
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有一天他接了
16:32
with the case of Gary Pettengill.
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加里·佩腾吉(Gary Pettengill)的案子。
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Pettengill was a 23-year-old vet
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佩腾吉是一个23岁的老兵,
16:38
who had planned to make the army a career,
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他原来想在军队里发展职业生涯,
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but then he got a severe back injury in Iraq,
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但是在伊拉克受了严重的背伤
16:42
and that forced him to take a medical discharge.
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而被迫病退。
16:45
He was married, he had a third kid on the way,
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他结了婚, 第三个孩子就要出生,
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he suffered from PTSD, in addition to the bad back,
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除了背伤之外, 他还得了创伤后应激障碍,
16:51
and recurrent nightmares,
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会反复做恶梦。
16:53
and he had started using marijuana
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他开始用大麻
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to ease some of the symptoms.
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来帮助减轻一些症状,
16:58
He was only able to get part-time work because of his back,
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因为背伤,他只能做一些兼职工作,
17:01
and so he was unable to earn enough to put food on the table
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所以他赚的钱不够
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and take care of his family.
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养家糊口,
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So he started selling marijuana.
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所以他开始卖大麻。
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He was busted in a drug sweep.
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他在一次扫毒活动中被抓获。
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His family was kicked out of their apartment,
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他的全家被赶出了公寓,
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and the welfare system
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福利系统
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was threatening to take away his kids.
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要把他的孩子带走。
17:17
Under normal sentencing procedures,
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如果按正常的审判过程,
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Judge Russell would have had little choice
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罗素法官别无选择,
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but to sentence Pettengill to serious jail-time
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只能把佩腾吉当作毒品犯人
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as a drug felon.
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判他蹲很多年监狱。
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But Judge Russell did have an alternative.
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但是法官罗素有另外一条途径,
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And that's because he was in a special court.
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因为他是在一个特殊的法庭,
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He was in a court called the Veterans' Court.
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他所在的法庭是老兵法庭。
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In the Veterans' Court --
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在老兵法庭——
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this was the first of its kind in the United States.
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这是美国的第一个这类的法庭,
17:41
Judge Russell created the Veterans' Court.
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法官罗素创立了这个老兵法庭,
17:43
It was a court only for veterans
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专门给触犯法律的
17:45
who had broken the law.
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老兵用的法庭。
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And he had created it exactly because
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他之所以创立这个法庭正是因为
17:50
mandatory sentencing laws
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强制性判刑的法律
17:52
were taking the judgment out of judging.
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使得判刑过程中已经不用作判断。
17:55
No one wanted non-violent offenders --
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没有人真的想把非暴力的犯罪分子——
17:58
and especially non-violent offenders who were veterans to boot --
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特别是非暴力的犯了罪的老兵——
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to be thrown into prison.
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送进监狱。
18:03
They wanted to do something about what we all know,
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他们想要做一点我们称之为
18:06
namely the revolving door of the criminal justice system.
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刑事司法系统的旋转大门的事情。
18:09
And what the Veterans' Court did,
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而老兵法庭所做的
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was it treated each criminal as an individual,
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就是把每个罪犯都当人看,
18:14
tried to get inside their problems,
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试图弄清楚他们的问题,
18:17
tried to fashion responses to their crimes
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试图针对他们的罪行找到某种方式
18:20
that helped them to rehabilitate themselves,
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来帮助他们改造自己,
18:22
and didn't forget about them once the judgment was made.
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而不是一旦判了刑就忘了他们。
18:25
Stayed with them, followed up on them,
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而是和他们一起, 跟踪他们的发展,
18:28
made sure that they were sticking to whatever plan
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保证他们在按共同制定的计划
18:30
had been jointly developed
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在改造,
18:32
to get them over the hump.
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以帮他们度过难关。
18:34
There are now 22 cities
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现在已经有22个城市
18:36
that have Veterans' Courts like this.
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有类似的老兵法庭了。
18:38
Why has the idea spread?
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为什么这个点子会得到传播呢?
18:41
Well, one reason is
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一个原因
18:43
that Judge Russell
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是罗素法官到今年2月份为止,
18:45
has now seen 108 vets
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已经在老兵法庭
18:47
in his Veterans' Court
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处理了
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as of February of this year,
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108个老兵的案子,
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and out of 108,
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108个案子中,
18:53
guess how many have gone back through
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你们猜猜有几个重新
18:55
the revolving door of justice
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走进审判的大门
18:57
into prison.
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被投入监狱的呢?
18:59
None. None.
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一个也没有,一个也没有。
19:01
Anyone would glom onto
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任何人做梦都希望
19:04
a criminal justice system
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刑事司法系统
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that has this kind of a record.
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能有这样的记录。
19:08
So here's is a system-changer, and it seems to be catching.
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所以这是一个改造系统者,其成果令人瞩目。
19:11
There's a banker
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另外有一个银行家,
19:13
who created a for-profit community bank
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创造了营利的社区银行,
19:15
that encouraged bankers -- I know this is hard to believe --
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鼓励银行家,我知道这个难以置信
19:18
encouraged bankers who worked there to do well
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鼓励在那里工作的银行家门通过帮助
19:21
by doing good for their low-income clients.
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低收入的顾客来达成自己的工作目标。
19:24
The bank helped finance the rebuilding
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那家银行帮助筹资重建了
19:27
of what was otherwise a dying community.
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一个原本快要垮了的社区。
19:30
Though their loan recipients were high-risk by ordinary standards,
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虽然按常规来讲给他们的贷款对象贷款的风险很高,
19:33
the default rate was extremely low.
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但是事实上违约率却很低。
19:36
The bank was profitable.
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这家银行盈利不错。
19:39
The bankers stayed with their loan recipients.
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那些银行家们与贷款客户一起,
19:41
They didn't make loans and then sell the loans.
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他们并不只是制造和出售贷款,
19:43
They serviced the loans.
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他们是给贷款服务,
19:45
They made sure that their loan recipients
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他们保证他们的贷款人
19:47
were staying up with their payments.
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有能力持续还贷。
19:50
Banking hasn't always been
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银行业并不一直是
19:53
the way we read about it now in the newspapers.
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象我们现在报纸里读到的那样。
19:57
Even Goldman Sachs
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即便是高盛,
19:59
once used to serve clients,
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在变成一个只给自己服务的机构之前
20:02
before it turned into an institution
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也曾经是为客户
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that serves only itself.
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提供服务的。
20:07
Banking wasn't always this way,
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银行业以前并不像现在,
20:09
and it doesn't have to be this way.
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也不必须是现在这个样子。
20:14
So there are examples like this in medicine --
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在医学界也有这样的例子——
20:17
doctors at Harvard
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在哈佛的博士们
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who are trying to transform medical education,
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正在尝试医学教育改革,
20:21
so that you don't get a kind of ethical erosion
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让你不会像现在的医学院学生一样,
20:23
and loss of empathy,
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在接受专业训练的过程中
20:25
which characterizes most medical students
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道德标准降低,
20:27
in the course of their medical training.
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同情心磨灭。
20:29
And the way they do it is to give third-year medical students
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他们用的方法是为三年级的学生
20:32
patients who they follow for an entire year.
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分配病人,他们要跟踪病人一整年。
20:34
So the patients are not organ systems,
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这样病人就不只是器官组成的系统而已,
20:36
and they're not diseases;
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不只是疾病,
20:38
they're people, people with lives.
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他们是人, 是有血有肉的活人。
20:40
And in order to be an effective doctor,
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想成为一个成功有效的医生,
20:42
you need to treat people who have lives and not just disease.
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对待病人应该像对待一个有生命的人,而不只是带有疾病的人。
20:45
In addition to which there's an enormous amount of back and forth,
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另外, 还有很多来回的反复
20:48
mentoring of one student by another,
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让学生互相辅导,
20:50
of all the students by the doctors,
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让医生指导所有的学生,
20:53
and the result is a generation -- we hope -- of doctors
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这样做的结果是——我们希望——下一代的医生
20:56
who do have time for the people they treat.
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能为他们治疗的病人付出病人需要的时间。
20:58
We'll see.
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我们拭目以待。
21:00
So there are lots of examples like this that we talk about.
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还有很多类似我们讲的事例。
21:03
Each of them shows that it is possible
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每个事例都告诉我们
21:05
to build on and nurture character
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树立和培养人格,
21:08
and keep a profession
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同时,让所有职业都忠实于其真正的使命——
21:10
true to its proper mission --
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就是亚里斯多德所说的“真正终级目标”——
21:12
what Aristotle would have called its proper telos.
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是可能的。
21:16
And Ken and I believe
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肯尼斯和我都相信
21:18
that this is what practitioners actually want.
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这就是实践者真正想要的。
21:21
People want to be allowed
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人们希望能够
21:23
to be virtuous.
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做有品德的人,
21:25
They want to have permission to do the right thing.
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他们希望得到允许做正确的事情。
21:28
They don't want to feel
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他们不想
21:30
like they need to take a shower
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每天下班回家以后感觉好像都要冲一个澡来
21:32
to get the moral grime off their bodies everyday
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冲刷干净他们身上的
21:35
when they come home from work.
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道德污垢。
21:38
Aristotle thought that practical wisdom
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亚里斯多德认为酌情处理的智慧
21:40
was the key to happiness,
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是快乐幸福的关键,
21:42
and he was right.
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他是对的。
21:45
There's now a lot of research being done in psychology
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心理学已经做了大量的研究
21:48
on what makes people happy,
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来证明什么使得人们幸福,
21:50
and the two things that jump out in study after study --
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两样东西在研究中一再凸显,
21:53
I know this will come as a shock to all of you --
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我知道这会让你们大吃一惊,
21:55
the two things that matter most to happiness
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对幸福度最有影响的两个东西是:
21:58
are love and work.
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爱和工作。
22:01
Love: managing successfully
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爱,就是成功地处理
22:04
relations with the people who are close to you
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和你亲近的人的关系,
22:06
and with the communities of which you are a part.
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和你所处群体的关系。
22:09
Work: engaging in activities
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工作:就是投入到
22:12
that are meaningful and satisfying.
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有意义和令你感到满足的活动中去。
22:15
If you have that, good close relations with other people,
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如果你拥有了亲和的关系,
22:18
work that's meaningful and fulfilling,
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工作富有意义,
22:21
you don't much need anything else.
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你其实已经不再需要多少其他东西。
22:24
Well, to love well and to work well,
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然而,要能做到好好爱,好好工作,
22:27
you need wisdom.
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你需要智慧。
22:29
Rules and incentives don't tell you
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规则和奖励机制不会告诉你
22:31
how to be a good friend, how to be a good parent,
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怎样成为一个好朋友,怎样成为好的家长,
22:34
how to be a good spouse,
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怎样成为一个好的配偶,
22:36
or how to be a good doctor or a good lawyer
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怎样成为一个好的医生,好的律师,
22:38
or a good teacher.
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好的老师。
22:40
Rules and incentives
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规则和奖励
22:42
are no substitutes for wisdom.
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绝对不是智慧的替代品。
22:44
Indeed, we argue,
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事实上,我们的观点是:
22:46
there is no substitute for wisdom.
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智慧没有替代品。
22:49
And so practical wisdom
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因此实用智慧
22:51
does not require
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不需要
22:53
heroic acts of self-sacrifice
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实践者做出
22:56
on the part of practitioners.
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自我牺牲的英雄壮举。
22:59
In giving us the will and the skill
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实用智慧不仅赋予我们愿望和技巧
23:01
to do the right thing -- to do right by others --
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去做正确的事情——让他人做正确的事情——
23:04
practical wisdom also gives us
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也赋予了我们
23:06
the will and the skill
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愿望和技巧
23:08
to do right by ourselves.
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来自己做正确的事情。
23:11
Thanks.
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谢谢。
23:13
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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