Christopher Soghoian: Government surveillance — this is just the beginning

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翻译人员: Eve Elliott 校对人员: William Choi
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The 2011 Arab Spring
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2011年的阿拉伯之春
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captured the attention of the world.
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引起全世界的关注,
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It also captured the attention
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也受到其他国家
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of authoritarian governments in other countries,
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独裁政府的关注,
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who were worried that revolution would spread.
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那些担心革命蔓延的政府。
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To respond, they ramped up surveillance
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为此,他们加强
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of activists, journalists and dissidents
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对激进分子、记者 和异己分子的监控,
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who they feared would inspire revolution
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害怕他们受到启发
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in their own countries.
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在自己国家发动革命。
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One prominent Bahraini activist,
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一个著名的巴林激进分子
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who was arrested and tortured by his government,
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被政府抓捕并受到拷问,
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has said that the interrogators showed him
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他说讯问人给他看
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transcripts of his telephone calls
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他的电话记录
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and text messages.
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和短信誊本,
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Of course, it's no secret
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当然,政府可以监听电话和监视短信,
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that governments are able to intercept telephone calls and text messages.
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这并不是秘密,
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It's for that reason that many activists
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正因如此,很多激进分子
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specifically avoid using the telephone.
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也特别避免使用电话,
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Instead, they use tools like Skype,
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而使用其他工具比如 SKYPE(网络电话),
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which they think are immune to interception.
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他们认为这样就可以避免受到监视,
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They're wrong.
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他们错了。
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There have now been over the last few years
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在过去几年,
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an industry of companies
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一个专门提供
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who provide surveillance technology to governments,
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监听技术给政府的公司,
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specifically technology that allows those governments
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特别是让政府
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to hack into the computers
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入侵监视目标的电脑,
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of surveillance targets.
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入侵监视目标的电脑,
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Rather than intercepting the communications as they go over the wire,
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他们除了通过窃听截听信息外,
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instead they now hack into your computer,
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现在他们也会入侵你的电脑,
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enable your webcam, enable your microphone,
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通过你的网络摄像机,或者麦克风
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and steal documents from your computer.
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盗取电脑上的文件。
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When the government of Egypt fell in 2011,
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2011年,当埃及政府倒台,
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activists raided the office of the secret police,
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激进分子突袭秘密警局的办公室,
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and among the many documents they found
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在他们发现的很多文件中,
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was this document by the Gamma Corporation,
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有一份来自伽玛公司,
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by Gamma International.
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属于伽玛国际。
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Gamma is a German company
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伽玛是一间德国公司,
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that manufactures surveillance software
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生产监控软件,
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and sells it only to governments.
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产品只卖给政府,
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It's important to note that most governments
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需要注意的是很多政府
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don't really have the in-house capabilities
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自身并没有实力
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to develop this software.
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来开发软件,
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Smaller ones don't have the resources
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较小的政府甚至没有资源
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or the expertise,
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或者经验去开发,
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and so there's this market of Western companies
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所以西方的公司就有了这样的市场,
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who are happy to supply them with the tools
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他们很愿意提供各样的工具
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and techniques for a price.
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和技术,
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Gamma is just one of these companies.
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伽玛就是这样的一间公司,
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I should note also that Gamma never actually sold
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我还注意到实际上伽玛
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their software to the Egyptian government.
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并没有把软件卖给埃及政府,
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They'd sent them an invoice for a sale,
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他们只是给埃及政府报价,
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but the Egyptians never bought it.
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但是埃及人并没有买,
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Instead, apparently, the Egyptian government
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而很明显埃及政府
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used a free demo version of Gamma's software.
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使用的是免费版本,
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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So this screenshot is from a sales video
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所以这个截图是来自
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that Gamma produced.
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一个伽玛生产的销售视频,
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Really, they're just emphasizing
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事实上,他们只是强调,
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in a relatively slick presentation
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通过一个简单的演讲,
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the fact that the police can sort of sit
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警察可以坐在空调办公室里,
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in an air-conditioned office
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警察可以坐在空调办公室里,
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and remotely monitor someone
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远程监控某些人,
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without them having any idea that it's going on.
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而被监视的人却无从所知。
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You know, your webcam light won't turn on.
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你知道,网络摄像机的灯不会亮起,
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There's nothing to indicate that the microphone is enabled.
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没有任何显示麦克风是开着的。
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This is the managing director of Gamma International.
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这是伽玛国际的管理总裁
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His name is Martin Muench.
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他的名字是 Martin Muench
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There are many photos of Mr. Muench that exist.
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现有很多 Muench 先生的照片,
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This is perhaps my favorite.
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这是我最喜欢的一张,
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I'm just going to zoom in a little bit onto his webcam.
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我只是放大一点点他的网络摄像机,
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You can see there's a little sticker
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你可以看到有一张小纸条,
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that's placed over his camera.
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那个是他的网络摄像机,
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He knows what kind of surveillance is possible,
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他知道会发生什么样的监控,
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and so clearly he doesn't want it to be used
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并且很明显他也不想被利用
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against him.
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来对抗他。
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Muench has said that he intends
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Muench 说过他希望
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for his software to be used
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他的软件被使用
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to capture terrorists and locate pedophiles.
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来捕捉恐怖分子和定位恋童癖的人
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Of course, he's also acknowledged that once
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当然,他也承认一旦
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the software has been sold to governments,
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软件卖给政府,
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he has no way of knowing how it can be used.
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他也不知道将被如何使用,
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Gamma's software has been located on servers
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伽玛软件已经服务于
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in countries around the world,
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世界各地的国家,
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many with really atrocious track records
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很多是骇人听闻的跟踪记录
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and human rights violations.
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和侵犯人权的事件,
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They really are selling their software around the world.
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他们会卖软件给世界各地,
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Gamma is not the only company in the business.
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伽玛不是这个产业里唯一的公司,
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As I said, it's a $5 billion industry.
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正如我说,这是一个50亿美金的行业,
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One of the other big guys in the industry
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另外一个巨头是
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is an Italian company called Hacking Team.
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一间意大利公司名为骇客团队  (Hacking Team),
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Now, Hacking Team has what is probably
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骇客团队可能做出了
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the slickest presentation.
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最花言巧语的广告,
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The video they've produced is very sexy,
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他们做的视频很性感,
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and so I'm going to play you a clip
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我现在就给你们展示一个短片,
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just so you can get a feel
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就是让你们感受下
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both for the capabilities of the software
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软件究竟能做什么,
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but also how it's marketed
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同样也看看他们是怎么推销产品
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to their government clients.
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给政府顾客的
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(Video) Narrator: You want to look through your target's eyes.
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(视频)叙述:你想看穿目标的眼睛
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(Music)
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(音乐)
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You have to hack your target.
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你必须骇客你的目标,
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["While your target is browsing the web, exchanging documents, receiving SMS, crossing the borders"]
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[“当你的目标浏览网页、 收发文件、接收信息、跨越边境”]
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You have to hit many different platforms.
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你必须击中不同的平台
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["Windows, OS X, iOS, Android, Blackberry, Symbian, Linux"]
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[“视窗、OS X、iOS、安卓、 黑莓、Symbian,Linux”]
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You have to overcome encryption
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你必须通过加密软件
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and capture relevant data.
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来获得相关数据
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[Skype & encrypted calls, target location, messaging, relationships,
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[Skype 和加密电话、 目标地、短信、关系、
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web browsing, audio & video"]
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网页、音频和视频“]
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Being stealth and untraceable.
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变得隐秘和无法追踪
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["Immune to any protection system Hidden collection infrastructure"]
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[不受任何保护系统影响 隐藏在基础设施中]
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Deployed all over your country.
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部署在你们国家的各个角落
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["Up to hundreds of thousands of targets Managed from a single spot"]
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[”由一个单一的地方 来控制超过成百上千的目标]
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Exactly what we do.
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正是我们所做的。
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Christopher Soghoian: So, it would be funny if it wasn't true,
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柯里斯.索侯恩:所以, 如果那不是真的就很有趣,
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but, in fact, Hacking Team's software
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但事实上,骇客团队的软件
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is being sold to governments around the world.
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已经卖给世界各地的政府。
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Last year we learned, for example,
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例如,去年我们知道,
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that it's been used to target Moroccan journalists by the Moroccan government.
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摩洛哥政府已经用它 来监控摩洛哥的记者。
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Many, many countries it's been found in.
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很多很多国家已经被发现使用。
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So, Hacking Team has also been actively courting
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所以,骇客团队也主动地推销给
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the U.S. law enforcement market.
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美国执法部门市场。
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In the last year or so, the company
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去年左右,
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has opened a sales office in Maryland.
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公司在马里兰开了销售部门,
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The company has also hired a spokesperson.
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并雇佣了一个发言人。
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They've been attending
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他们参加了
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surveillance industry conferences
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各式各樣的监控行业业內会议,
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where law enforcement officials show up.
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执法官员都有参加。
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They've spoken at the conferences.
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他们在会议上发言。
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What I thought was most fascinating was
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我认为最有意思的是
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they've actually paid for the coffee break
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今年较早前
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at one of the law enforcement conferences
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的其中一个执法会议,
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earlier this year.
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在中场休息时,他们請客喝咖啡。
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I can't tell you for sure that Hacking Team
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我不能确切地告诉你骇客团队
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has sold their technology in the United States,
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是否在美国卖过他们的技术,
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but what I can tell you that if they haven't sold it,
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但是我可以告诉你们, 如果他们没卖出去,
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it isn't because they haven't been trying hard.
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并不是因为他们没有尽力。
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So as I said before,
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所以正如我所说的,
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governments that don't really have the resources
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那些政府真的没有资源
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to build their own tools will buy
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生产自家工具,
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off-the-shelf surveillance software,
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就会购买现成的监视软件,
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and so for that reason,
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也正因为如此,
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you see that the government of, say, Tunisia,
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你会看到例如突尼斯政府,
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might use the same software as the government of Germany.
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可能使用跟德国政府相同的软件,
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They're all buying off-the-shelf stuff.
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他们都在购买现成的东西。
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation in the United States
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美国联邦调查局的预算
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does have the budget to build their own surveillance technology,
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包括建立自己监听技术
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and so for several years, I've been trying
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并且已有数年,
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to figure out if and how the FBI
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我正在尝试弄明白
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is hacking into the computers of surveillance targets.
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FBI 有没有和怎样 入侵监视目标的电脑。
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My friends at an organization called the Electronic Frontier Foundation --
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我一个在电子前哨基金会工作的朋友,
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they're a civil society group —
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这是一个民间社会组织,
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obtained hundreds of documents from the FBI
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得到 FBI 数百份文件,
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detailing their next generation of surveillance technologies.
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详细描述他们下一代的监视技术,
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Most of these documents were heavily redacted,
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很多文件都被批量遮挡,
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but what you can see from the slides,
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但是字里行间,
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if I zoom in, is this term:
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如果我放大,就是这些:
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Remote Operations Unit.
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远程控制单元。
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Now, when I first looked into this,
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现在,当我第一次看到这些,
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I'd never heard of this unit before.
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我从来没听过这个单元。
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I've been studying surveillance for more than six years.
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我研究监视技术已经有六年多了,
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I'd never heard of it.
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却从来没有听过。
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And so I went online and I did some research,
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所以我上网做了些调查,
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and ultimately I hit the mother lode
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最终找到了出处。
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when I went to LinkedIn,
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当我进入linkedin,
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the social networking site for job seekers.
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找工作的社交网站。
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There were lots of former U.S. government contractors
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有很多前美国政府的承包商
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who had at one point worked
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在远程控制单元
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for the Remote Operating Unit,
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那块领域工作,
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and were describing in surprising detail on their CVs
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在简历中详述很多细节,
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what they had done in their former job.
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有关他们所做的事情,
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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So I took this information
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所以我做了这个信息,
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and I gave it to a journalist that I know and trust at the Wall Street Journal,
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并且交给一个我认识信任的 华尔街日报记者,
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and she was able to contact several other
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他能够联系上
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former law enforcement officials
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其他的前执法官员,
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who spoke on background and confirmed
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那些证实
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that yes, in fact, the FBI has a dedicated team
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事实上,FBI确实存在一个团队,
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that does nothing but hack into the computers
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专门骇客
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of surveillance targets.
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所监视的电脑。
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Like Gamma and Hacking Team,
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像伽玛和骇客团队,
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the FBI also has the capability
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FBI 也有能力
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to remotely activate webcams, microphones,
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通过远程监控摄像头,麦克风,
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steal documents, get web browsing information,
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来盗取资料,获得网页信息,
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the works.
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文件。
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There's sort of a big problem
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这是一个大问题,
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with governments going into hacking,
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就是政府监听问题,
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and that's that terrorists, pedophiles,
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和那些恐怖分子,恋童癖者,
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drug dealers, journalists and human rights activists
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毒品交易者,记者们,和人权活动家
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all use the same kinds of computers.
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所有使用同类电脑的人,
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There's no drug dealer phone
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没有毒品交易者的电话
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and there's no journalist laptop.
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也没有记者的笔记本。
07:36
We all use the same technology,
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我们都使用相同的技术,
07:38
and what that means then is that for governments
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并且那意味着对政府而言,
07:40
to have the capability to hack into the computers
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有能力通过电脑监视
07:42
of the real bad guys,
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真正的坏人,
07:44
they also have to have the capability
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他们还有能力
07:46
to hack into our devices too.
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也监听我们的设备。
07:48
So governments around the world
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所以全世界的政府
07:50
have been embracing this technology.
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已拥有这项技术。
07:51
They've been embracing hacking
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他们利用骇客
07:53
as a law enforcement technique,
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作为一个执法技术,
07:55
but without any real debate.
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但是没有真正意义的舆论。
07:57
In the United States, where I live,
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在美国,我生活的地方,
07:58
there have been no congressional hearings.
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没有国会听证会。
08:00
There's no law that's been passed
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没有法律通过
08:02
specifically authorizing this technique,
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特别授权这项技术,
08:04
and because of its power and potential for abuse,
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并且因为它的权力和潜在的滥用,
08:07
it's vital that we have an informed public debate.
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我们很有必要让公众知晓这些事实,并且就此展开辩论。
08:10
Thank you very much.
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谢谢大家。
08:12
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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