Christopher Soghoian: Government surveillance — this is just the beginning

130,806 views

2014-03-05 ・ TED


New videos

Christopher Soghoian: Government surveillance — this is just the beginning

130,806 views ・ 2014-03-05

TED


Please double-click on the English subtitles below to play the video.

00:12
The 2011 Arab Spring
0
12811
1965
00:14
captured the attention of the world.
1
14776
1803
00:16
It also captured the attention
2
16579
1649
00:18
of authoritarian governments in other countries,
3
18228
2377
00:20
who were worried that revolution would spread.
4
20605
2963
00:23
To respond, they ramped up surveillance
5
23568
2077
00:25
of activists, journalists and dissidents
6
25645
3096
00:28
who they feared would inspire revolution
7
28741
1954
00:30
in their own countries.
8
30695
1835
00:32
One prominent Bahraini activist,
9
32530
2045
00:34
who was arrested and tortured by his government,
10
34575
2110
00:36
has said that the interrogators showed him
11
36685
1725
00:38
transcripts of his telephone calls
12
38410
1870
00:40
and text messages.
13
40280
1808
00:42
Of course, it's no secret
14
42088
1656
00:43
that governments are able to intercept telephone calls and text messages.
15
43744
3196
00:46
It's for that reason that many activists
16
46940
2372
00:49
specifically avoid using the telephone.
17
49312
1926
00:51
Instead, they use tools like Skype,
18
51238
2348
00:53
which they think are immune to interception.
19
53586
2520
00:56
They're wrong.
20
56106
1772
00:57
There have now been over the last few years
21
57878
2726
01:00
an industry of companies
22
60604
1646
01:02
who provide surveillance technology to governments,
23
62250
3254
01:05
specifically technology that allows those governments
24
65504
2361
01:07
to hack into the computers
25
67865
1653
01:09
of surveillance targets.
26
69518
1595
01:11
Rather than intercepting the communications as they go over the wire,
27
71113
2840
01:13
instead they now hack into your computer,
28
73953
2267
01:16
enable your webcam, enable your microphone,
29
76220
2002
01:18
and steal documents from your computer.
30
78222
2457
01:20
When the government of Egypt fell in 2011,
31
80679
2833
01:23
activists raided the office of the secret police,
32
83512
3401
01:26
and among the many documents they found
33
86913
1988
01:28
was this document by the Gamma Corporation,
34
88901
2317
01:31
by Gamma International.
35
91218
1801
01:33
Gamma is a German company
36
93019
1657
01:34
that manufactures surveillance software
37
94676
1484
01:36
and sells it only to governments.
38
96160
2157
01:38
It's important to note that most governments
39
98317
2007
01:40
don't really have the in-house capabilities
40
100324
2066
01:42
to develop this software.
41
102390
1465
01:43
Smaller ones don't have the resources
42
103855
1619
01:45
or the expertise,
43
105474
1776
01:47
and so there's this market of Western companies
44
107250
3307
01:50
who are happy to supply them with the tools
45
110557
1967
01:52
and techniques for a price.
46
112524
1718
01:54
Gamma is just one of these companies.
47
114242
2606
01:56
I should note also that Gamma never actually sold
48
116848
2908
01:59
their software to the Egyptian government.
49
119756
1897
02:01
They'd sent them an invoice for a sale,
50
121653
2597
02:04
but the Egyptians never bought it.
51
124250
1642
02:05
Instead, apparently, the Egyptian government
52
125892
1724
02:07
used a free demo version of Gamma's software.
53
127616
2633
02:10
(Laughter)
54
130249
2775
02:13
So this screenshot is from a sales video
55
133024
3498
02:16
that Gamma produced.
56
136522
1565
02:18
Really, they're just emphasizing
57
138087
1983
02:20
in a relatively slick presentation
58
140070
1651
02:21
the fact that the police can sort of sit
59
141721
2193
02:23
in an air-conditioned office
60
143914
1450
02:25
and remotely monitor someone
61
145364
1411
02:26
without them having any idea that it's going on.
62
146775
2175
02:28
You know, your webcam light won't turn on.
63
148950
2035
02:30
There's nothing to indicate that the microphone is enabled.
64
150985
3354
02:34
This is the managing director of Gamma International.
65
154339
3335
02:37
His name is Martin Muench.
66
157674
1861
02:39
There are many photos of Mr. Muench that exist.
67
159535
2931
02:42
This is perhaps my favorite.
68
162466
1852
02:44
I'm just going to zoom in a little bit onto his webcam.
69
164318
2144
02:46
You can see there's a little sticker
70
166462
1668
02:48
that's placed over his camera.
71
168130
1893
02:50
He knows what kind of surveillance is possible,
72
170023
2533
02:52
and so clearly he doesn't want it to be used
73
172556
1806
02:54
against him.
74
174362
1602
02:55
Muench has said that he intends
75
175964
1924
02:57
for his software to be used
76
177888
1664
02:59
to capture terrorists and locate pedophiles.
77
179552
2983
03:02
Of course, he's also acknowledged that once
78
182535
1796
03:04
the software has been sold to governments,
79
184331
2155
03:06
he has no way of knowing how it can be used.
80
186486
3825
03:10
Gamma's software has been located on servers
81
190311
1850
03:12
in countries around the world,
82
192161
1656
03:13
many with really atrocious track records
83
193817
2391
03:16
and human rights violations.
84
196208
1561
03:17
They really are selling their software around the world.
85
197769
3395
03:21
Gamma is not the only company in the business.
86
201164
2301
03:23
As I said, it's a $5 billion industry.
87
203465
2751
03:26
One of the other big guys in the industry
88
206216
2839
03:29
is an Italian company called Hacking Team.
89
209055
2395
03:31
Now, Hacking Team has what is probably
90
211450
1725
03:33
the slickest presentation.
91
213175
1970
03:35
The video they've produced is very sexy,
92
215145
3028
03:38
and so I'm going to play you a clip
93
218173
1648
03:39
just so you can get a feel
94
219821
1314
03:41
both for the capabilities of the software
95
221135
1831
03:42
but also how it's marketed
96
222966
1906
03:44
to their government clients.
97
224872
1768
03:46
(Video) Narrator: You want to look through your target's eyes.
98
226640
3516
03:50
(Music)
99
230179
1884
03:52
You have to hack your target.
100
232063
3002
03:55
["While your target is browsing the web, exchanging documents, receiving SMS, crossing the borders"]
101
235065
6316
04:01
You have to hit many different platforms.
102
241381
2923
04:04
["Windows, OS X, iOS, Android, Blackberry, Symbian, Linux"]
103
244304
3880
04:08
You have to overcome encryption
104
248184
2468
04:10
and capture relevant data.
105
250652
2897
04:13
[Skype & encrypted calls, target location, messaging, relationships,
106
253549
4559
04:18
web browsing, audio & video"]
107
258108
3172
04:21
Being stealth and untraceable.
108
261280
4160
04:25
["Immune to any protection system Hidden collection infrastructure"]
109
265440
3274
04:28
Deployed all over your country.
110
268714
4105
04:32
["Up to hundreds of thousands of targets Managed from a single spot"]
111
272819
4534
04:37
Exactly what we do.
112
277353
3322
04:40
Christopher Soghoian: So, it would be funny if it wasn't true,
113
280675
2263
04:42
but, in fact, Hacking Team's software
114
282938
1788
04:44
is being sold to governments around the world.
115
284726
2948
04:47
Last year we learned, for example,
116
287674
1752
04:49
that it's been used to target Moroccan journalists by the Moroccan government.
117
289426
4048
04:53
Many, many countries it's been found in.
118
293474
2544
04:56
So, Hacking Team has also been actively courting
119
296018
3124
04:59
the U.S. law enforcement market.
120
299142
2343
05:01
In the last year or so, the company
121
301485
2283
05:03
has opened a sales office in Maryland.
122
303768
4776
05:08
The company has also hired a spokesperson.
123
308544
2114
05:10
They've been attending
124
310658
1537
05:12
surveillance industry conferences
125
312195
1597
05:13
where law enforcement officials show up.
126
313792
2015
05:15
They've spoken at the conferences.
127
315807
1834
05:17
What I thought was most fascinating was
128
317641
1588
05:19
they've actually paid for the coffee break
129
319229
2101
05:21
at one of the law enforcement conferences
130
321330
1940
05:23
earlier this year.
131
323270
1493
05:24
I can't tell you for sure that Hacking Team
132
324763
2099
05:26
has sold their technology in the United States,
133
326862
2725
05:29
but what I can tell you that if they haven't sold it,
134
329587
1971
05:31
it isn't because they haven't been trying hard.
135
331558
3175
05:34
So as I said before,
136
334733
2042
05:36
governments that don't really have the resources
137
336775
1920
05:38
to build their own tools will buy
138
338695
1596
05:40
off-the-shelf surveillance software,
139
340291
1410
05:41
and so for that reason,
140
341701
1388
05:43
you see that the government of, say, Tunisia,
141
343089
2716
05:45
might use the same software as the government of Germany.
142
345805
2188
05:47
They're all buying off-the-shelf stuff.
143
347993
2272
05:50
The Federal Bureau of Investigation in the United States
144
350265
2199
05:52
does have the budget to build their own surveillance technology,
145
352464
2762
05:55
and so for several years, I've been trying
146
355226
1781
05:57
to figure out if and how the FBI
147
357007
2391
05:59
is hacking into the computers of surveillance targets.
148
359398
2898
06:02
My friends at an organization called the Electronic Frontier Foundation --
149
362296
3153
06:05
they're a civil society group —
150
365449
2312
06:07
obtained hundreds of documents from the FBI
151
367761
2492
06:10
detailing their next generation of surveillance technologies.
152
370253
2848
06:13
Most of these documents were heavily redacted,
153
373101
2634
06:15
but what you can see from the slides,
154
375735
2816
06:18
if I zoom in, is this term:
155
378551
1962
06:20
Remote Operations Unit.
156
380513
1820
06:22
Now, when I first looked into this,
157
382333
2234
06:24
I'd never heard of this unit before.
158
384567
2070
06:26
I've been studying surveillance for more than six years.
159
386637
2302
06:28
I'd never heard of it.
160
388939
1285
06:30
And so I went online and I did some research,
161
390224
1963
06:32
and ultimately I hit the mother lode
162
392187
2125
06:34
when I went to LinkedIn,
163
394312
1634
06:35
the social networking site for job seekers.
164
395946
2569
06:38
There were lots of former U.S. government contractors
165
398515
2913
06:41
who had at one point worked
166
401428
1387
06:42
for the Remote Operating Unit,
167
402815
1309
06:44
and were describing in surprising detail on their CVs
168
404124
3414
06:47
what they had done in their former job.
169
407538
2031
06:49
(Laughter)
170
409569
2222
06:51
So I took this information
171
411791
1987
06:53
and I gave it to a journalist that I know and trust at the Wall Street Journal,
172
413778
3744
06:57
and she was able to contact several other
173
417522
1801
06:59
former law enforcement officials
174
419323
1754
07:01
who spoke on background and confirmed
175
421077
1806
07:02
that yes, in fact, the FBI has a dedicated team
176
422883
3359
07:06
that does nothing but hack into the computers
177
426242
2136
07:08
of surveillance targets.
178
428378
1526
07:09
Like Gamma and Hacking Team,
179
429904
1888
07:11
the FBI also has the capability
180
431792
2117
07:13
to remotely activate webcams, microphones,
181
433909
3394
07:17
steal documents, get web browsing information,
182
437303
2202
07:19
the works.
183
439505
1684
07:21
There's sort of a big problem
184
441189
1822
07:23
with governments going into hacking,
185
443011
1600
07:24
and that's that terrorists, pedophiles,
186
444611
2519
07:27
drug dealers, journalists and human rights activists
187
447130
2911
07:30
all use the same kinds of computers.
188
450041
2271
07:32
There's no drug dealer phone
189
452312
2047
07:34
and there's no journalist laptop.
190
454359
1966
07:36
We all use the same technology,
191
456325
2234
07:38
and what that means then is that for governments
192
458559
1894
07:40
to have the capability to hack into the computers
193
460453
2117
07:42
of the real bad guys,
194
462570
1699
07:44
they also have to have the capability
195
464269
1976
07:46
to hack into our devices too.
196
466245
2185
07:48
So governments around the world
197
468430
1752
07:50
have been embracing this technology.
198
470182
1461
07:51
They've been embracing hacking
199
471643
1605
07:53
as a law enforcement technique,
200
473248
1820
07:55
but without any real debate.
201
475068
1950
07:57
In the United States, where I live,
202
477018
1819
07:58
there have been no congressional hearings.
203
478837
1825
08:00
There's no law that's been passed
204
480662
1961
08:02
specifically authorizing this technique,
205
482623
2073
08:04
and because of its power and potential for abuse,
206
484696
2669
08:07
it's vital that we have an informed public debate.
207
487365
2947
08:10
Thank you very much.
208
490312
1946
08:12
(Applause)
209
492258
1556
About this website

This site will introduce you to YouTube videos that are useful for learning English. You will see English lessons taught by top-notch teachers from around the world. Double-click on the English subtitles displayed on each video page to play the video from there. The subtitles scroll in sync with the video playback. If you have any comments or requests, please contact us using this contact form.

https://forms.gle/WvT1wiN1qDtmnspy7