Jackie Savitz: Save the oceans, feed the world!

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翻译人员: FBC GLOBAL 校对人员: Ran Gao
你们可能会疑惑
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You may be wondering
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why a marine biologist from Oceana
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为什么一位来自奥西安纳的海洋生物学家
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would come here today to talk to you
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今天会来到这里
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about world hunger.
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和你们讲述世界饥荒的问题。
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I'm here today because
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我今天来到这里是因为
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saving the oceans is more than an ecological desire.
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拯救海洋不只是一个生态愿景。
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It's more than a thing we're doing
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这不只是单一的一件事情,
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because we want to create jobs for fishermen
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因为我们想要为渔民创造就业机会
00:28
or preserve fishermen's jobs.
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或是说保护他们的职业。
00:30
It's more than an economic pursuit.
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这也不只是一个经济追求,
00:33
Saving the oceans can feed the world.
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海洋还可以为全世界提供食物来源。
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Let me show you how.
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让我展示给你们看这是如何实现的。
00:38
As you know, there are already
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如你所知,这个星球上
00:40
more than a billion hungry people on this planet.
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已有超过 10 亿饱受饥荒的人类。
00:42
We're expecting that problem to get worse
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我们预计到21 世纪中期
00:45
as world population grows to nine billion
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当人口达到90 亿 至 100 亿时
00:47
or 10 billion by midcentury,
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饥荒会变得更加严重,
00:49
and we can expect to have greater pressure
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到那时,
00:52
on our food resources.
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我们也会给食物来源施加更大的压力。
00:54
And this is a big concern,
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根据我们现在的状况,
00:55
especially considering where we are now.
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这是一个很大的忧虑。
00:57
Now we know that our arable land per capita
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我们知道现在不管在发达国家还是发展中国家
01:00
is already on the decline
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人均耕地面积
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in both developed and developing countries.
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都已经开始减少。
01:04
We know that we're headed for climate change,
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我们还知道我们正经历着气候变化,
01:07
which is going to change rainfall patterns,
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气候变化会改变降雨模式,
01:09
making some areas drier, as you can see in orange,
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导致部分地区更加干旱,如地图中的橘色部分,
01:13
and others wetter, in blue,
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而其他一些地区则更加潮湿,如地图中的蓝色部分,
01:15
causing droughts in our breadbaskets,
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这将会在我们的产粮地区造成干旱,
01:17
in places like the Midwest and Central Europe,
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比如,在欧洲中西部和中部,
01:19
and floods in others.
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而别的地方则会遭受洪水。
01:20
It's going to make it harder for the land
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因此,耕地将越来越难以解决
01:22
to help us solve the hunger problem.
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我们的饥饿问题。
01:24
And that's why the oceans need to be their most abundant,
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这也是为什么海洋必须拥有最丰富的资源,
01:27
so that the oceans can provide us
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从而能为我们提供
01:28
as much food as possible.
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尽可能多的食物。
01:31
And that's something the oceans have been doing
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一直以来,海洋也的确扮演着
01:32
for us for a long time.
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我们最丰富的食物来源。
01:35
As far back as we can go, we've seen an increase
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回顾历史,我们发现
01:38
in the amount of food we've been able to harvest
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曾经我们可以从海洋中收获的食物总量
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from our oceans.
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呈现过增长趋势。
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It just seemed like it was continuing to increase,
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直到 1980 年,
01:44
until about 1980,
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这样的增长趋势停滞了,
01:45
when we started to see a decline.
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从此我们经历了下降的过程。
01:48
You've heard of peak oil.
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你们都听说过“石油峰值论”。
01:50
Maybe this is peak fish.
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海洋食物资源的下降也许意味着”鱼类峰值“已经过去。
01:52
I hope not. I'm going to come back to that.
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我希望事实不是这样的。我会再详细说明这一点。
01:53
But you can see about an 18-percent decline
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你们可以从图中看到
01:56
in the amount of fish we've gotten in our world catch
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从1980年至今
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since 1980.
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捕鱼量大约有 18% 的下降。
02:00
And this is a big problem. It's continuing.
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这样的趋势还在持续,造成了严重的问题。
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This red line is continuing to go down.
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这条红线在持续下降。
02:05
But we know how to turn it around,
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好在我们知道怎样才能逆转它,
02:07
and that's what I'm going to talk about today.
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这也就是我今天想要说的。
02:09
We know how to turn that curve back upwards.
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我们知道如何将那条曲线变为向上的趋势。
02:11
This doesn't have to be peak fish.
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这幅数据图不会应验”鱼类峰值论“。
02:14
If we do a few simple things in targeted places,
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我们只需要对目标地区做一些简单的事,
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we can bring our fisheries back and use them
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便可以挽回渔业,
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to feed people.
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并使他们为人类提供食物来源。
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First we want to know where the fish are,
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首先,我们要知道鱼类生活在哪。
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so let's look where the fish are.
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让我们看一下。
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It turns out the fish, conveniently,
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结果显示,
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are located for the most part
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鱼类大多聚集在
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in our coastal areas of the countries,
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各国沿海地区的
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in coastal zones,
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海岸区域,
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and these are areas that national jurisdictions
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而且这些区域
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have control over,
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都是涵盖在国家管辖区域内的,
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and they can manage their fisheries
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他们可以在这些
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in these coastal areas.
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沿海地区治理渔业。
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Coastal countries tend to have jurisdictions
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沿海国家可以管辖
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that go out about 200 nautical miles,
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从海岸线起 200 海里的范围,
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in areas that are called exclusive economic zones,
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这些地区叫做专属经济区。
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and this is a good thing that they can control
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这是一件好事,
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their fisheries in these areas,
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因为沿海国家可以管理这些区域的渔业。
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because the high seas,
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而想要管理那些深海区域
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which are the darker areas on this map,
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却要难得多。
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the high seas, it's a lot harder to control things,
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请看地图上深色的区域。
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because it has to be done internationally.
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因为深海区域的管理必须在国际上进行。
02:59
You get into international agreements,
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你会涉及到国际协议,
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and if any of you are tracking the climate change agreement,
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如果你关注气候变化协议的话,
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you know this can be a very slow,
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你知道这会是一个非常缓慢、
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frustrating, tedious process.
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令人沮丧、并且无聊的过程。
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And so controlling things nationally
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所以能够在国家范围内进行
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is a great thing to be able to do.
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控制管理是一件好事。
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How many fish are actually in these coastal areas
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那么,和深海相比
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compared to the high seas?
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海岸区域究竟有多少鱼呢?
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Well, you can see here about
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在这你可以看到
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seven times as many fish in the coastal areas
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海岸区域的鱼类数量
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than there are in the high seas,
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是深海区域的七倍。
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so this is a perfect place for us to be focusing,
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海岸区域完美得成为了我们的重点管理对象,
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because we can actually get a lot done.
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因为在这里我们可以完成很多事情。
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We can restore a lot of our fisheries
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如果我们专注这些海岸区域
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if we focus in these coastal areas.
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我们可以挽回大量渔业。
03:30
But how many of these countries do we have to work in?
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有多少这样的国家需要我们这样去做呢?
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There's something like 80 coastal countries.
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世界上共有约80个沿海国家。
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Do we have to fix fisheries management
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那么我们需要在所有这些沿海国家
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in all of those countries?
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实现相同的渔业管理么?
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So we asked ourselves, how many countries
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我们需要自问,我们究竟需要专注于多少沿海国家的渔业管理?
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do we need to focus on,
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要知道,欧盟使用了
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keeping in mind that the European Union
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同一个通用的政策
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conveniently manages its fisheries
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便利地管理了
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through a common fisheries policy?
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整个欧盟的渔业。
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So if we got good fisheries management
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假设我们在欧洲和别的 9 个国家
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in the European Union and, say, nine other countries,
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都拥有好的渔业管理,
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how much of our fisheries would we be covering?
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我们将覆盖多少范围的渔业?
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Turns out, European Union plus nine countries
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结果是,欧盟加上其它 9 个国家
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covers about two thirds of the world's fish catch.
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占据了世界约2/3的捕鱼量。
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If we took it up to 24 countries plus the European Union,
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如果我们把 24 个国家和欧盟一起算上,
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we would up to 90 percent,
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我们将会覆盖 90%的捕鱼量,
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almost all of the world's fish catch.
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这几乎是全世界的捕鱼量。
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So we think we can work in a limited number of places
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我们认为我们可以在有限的地方
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to make the fisheries come back.
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使养鱼业复兴起来。
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But what do we have to do in these places?
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但是在那些地方我们需要去做什么呢?
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Well, based on our work in the United States
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基于我们在美国和其它地区的研究,
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and elsewhere, we know that there are
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我们得出了
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three key things we have to do
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复兴渔业的
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to bring fisheries back, and they are:
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三个核心要点。
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We need to set quotas or limits
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首先,我们需要设定
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on how much we take;
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捕鱼的配额和限制;
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we need to reduce bycatch, which is the accidental
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其次,我们需要减少对非目标鱼类的
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catching and killing of fish that we're not targeting,
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捕获与杀害,
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and it's very wasteful;
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这是非常浪费的;
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and three, we need to protect habitats,
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最后,我们需要保护那些
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the nursery areas, the spawning areas
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可以让鱼类健康成长、成功繁衍、
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that these fish need to grow and reproduce successfully
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并壮大群体的栖息地、
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so that they can rebuild their populations.
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育苗区、以及产卵区。
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If we do those three things, we know the fisheries will come back.
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如果我们做这三件事,渔业一定会复兴。
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How do we know?
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我们是如何知道这些的呢?
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We know because we've seen it happening
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因为我们已经在
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in a lot of different places.
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很多地方目睹了捕鱼业的复兴。
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This is a slide that shows
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这一页幻灯片展示了
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the herring population in Norway
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从 19 世纪 50 年代开始,
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that was crashing since the 1950s.
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挪威的鲱鱼数量急剧减少。
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It was coming down, and when Norway set limits,
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那段时间都呈下降趋势,
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or quotas, on its fishery, what happens?
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但是当挪威设定限制和配额后,发生了什么?
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The fishery comes back.
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渔业复兴了!
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This is another example, also happens to be from Norway,
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这里又有一个
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of the Norwegian Arctic cod.
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挪威北极鳕鱼的例子。
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Same deal. The fishery is crashing.
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同样的情况,渔业在衰败,
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They set limits on discards.
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之后他们在非目标鱼类上设定限制。
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Discards are these fish they weren't targeting
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非目标鱼类的捕获
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and they get thrown overboard wastefully.
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通常是一种浪费。
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When they set the discard limit,
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当他们设定了限制以后,
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the fishery came back.
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渔业回来了。
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And it's not just in Norway.
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这不仅仅发生在挪威。
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We've seen this happening in countries
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我们一目睹这类案例
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all around the world, time and time again.
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在世界各地一次又一次地发生。
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When these countries step in and they
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当这些国家介入并开始
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put in sustainable fisheries management policies,
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采用可持续的渔业管理政策,
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the fisheries, which are always crashing, it seems,
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看起来面临崩溃的渔业
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are starting to come back.
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便都开始恢复元气。
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So there's a lot of promise here.
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因此,渔业的复兴是充满了希望的。
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What does this mean for the world fish catch?
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这对世界捕鱼业有什么意义呢?
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This means that if we take that fishery catch
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这意味着,如果我们
05:46
that's on the decline
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使不景气的渔业再次复兴起来,
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and we could turn it upwards, we could increase it
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我们可以
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up to 100 million metric tons per year.
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将渔产量增加到每年一亿吨。
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So we didn't have peak fish yet.
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所以,我们还没有经历“鱼类峰值”。
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We still have an opportunity
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我们仍有机会
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to not only bring the fish back
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去复兴渔业,
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but to actually get more fish
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甚至获得更多的鱼类
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that can feed more people
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为比现在更多的人口
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than we currently are now.
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提供食物来源。
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How many more? Right about now,
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那么鱼类究竟可以增加多少呢?
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we can feed about 450 million people
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现在,我们可以用鱼类
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a fish meal a day
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为约4.5 亿人提供食物。
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based on the current world fish catch,
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这个数据是基于
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which, of course, you know is going down,
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现在呈下降趋势的鱼产量而得出的。
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so that number will go down over time
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如果我们不去进行对渔业的管理
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if we don't fix it,
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这个数字还会继续下降。
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but if we put fishery management practices
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但是,如果我们
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like the ones I've described in place
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将刚才所描述的渔业管理
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in 10 to 25 countries,
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在 10 至 25 个国家中施行,
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we could bring that number up
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我们可以将鱼的产量增加
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and feed as many as 700 million people a year
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并可以每年用健康的鱼肉
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a healthy fish meal.
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喂饱足足 7 亿人。
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We should obviously do this just because
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很显然,仅仅是为了很好得解决饥荒这一件事情,
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it's a good thing to deal with the hunger problem,
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我们也应该去管理和治理渔业,
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but it's also cost-effective.
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并且这是经济高效的。
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It turns out fish is the most cost-effective protein
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研究结果显示,鱼类是世界上
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on the planet.
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性价比最高的蛋白质食物。
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If you look at how much fish protein you get
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如果你去比较花费一美元
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per dollar invested
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能从肉类食品中得到的蛋白质的量,
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compared to all of the other animal proteins,
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你会发现,鱼类比其他任何肉类食品都含有更多的蛋白质。
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obviously, fish is a good business decision.
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很明显,鱼类是很好的商业选择。
06:50
It also doesn't need a lot of land,
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鱼类养殖比起其它动物养殖
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something that's in short supply,
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不需要大片的
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compared to other protein sources.
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处于稀缺状态的土地。
06:57
And it doesn't need a lot of fresh water.
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而且养鱼还不需要很多淡水。
06:59
It uses a lot less fresh water than,
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举个例子,
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for example, cattle,
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养育的淡水需求量比起养牛
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where you have to irrigate a field
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需要灌溉草地
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so that you can grow the food to graze the cattle.
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所需要的水量少得多。
07:08
It also has a very low carbon footprint.
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同样养鱼只产生很低的碳排放。
07:10
It has a little bit of a carbon footprint
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唯一的一些碳排放
07:12
because we do have to get out and catch the fish.
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是我们出海捕鱼所造成的。
07:14
It takes a little bit of fuel,
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不过,出海捕鱼只需要很少的燃料,
07:15
but as you know, agriculture can have a carbon footprint,
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相比起农业的碳排放量,
07:18
and fish has a much smaller one,
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捕鱼产生的碳排放要少得多,
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so it's less polluting.
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所以捕鱼造成的污染更少。
07:21
It's already a big part of our diet,
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鱼肉已是我们的日常饮食的很大一部分,
07:23
but it can be a bigger part of our diet,
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但它可以占据更大的比重,
07:25
which is a good thing, because we know
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这也是一件好事,
07:27
that it's healthy for us.
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因为鱼肉有益身体健康。
07:29
It can reduce our risks of cancer,
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摄入鱼肉可以减少癌症、
07:31
heart disease and obesity.
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心脏病,以及肥胖的风险。
07:33
In fact, our CEO Andy Sharpless,
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事实上,我们的CEO安迪·夏普勒斯
07:35
who is the originator of this concept, actually,
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也就是这个想法的创始人,
07:37
he likes to say fish is the perfect protein.
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他喜欢说,鱼肉是理想的蛋白质来源。
07:41
Andy also talks about the fact that
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安迪还说,
07:44
our ocean conservation movement really grew
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海洋保护运动的力度
07:46
out of the land conservation movement,
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已经超过了土地保护运动,
07:48
and in land conservation,
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在土地保护运动中
07:50
we have this problem where biodiversity
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生物多样性与食品生产
07:53
is at war with food production.
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有非常大的矛盾。
07:56
You have to cut down the biodiverse forest
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如果你想要得到田地
07:59
if you want to get the field
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来种玉米去喂饱人类,
08:01
to grow the corn to feed people with,
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你必须得砍伐有着生物多样性的森林,
08:03
and so there's a constant push-pull there.
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而且这是一直都会存在的一个矛盾。
08:05
There's a constant tough decision
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我们总要面临在两件非常重要的事情之间
08:06
that has to be made between
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做出一个困难的抉择:
08:08
two very important things:
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保持生物多样性,
08:10
maintaining biodiversity and feeding people.
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还是喂饱人类。
08:13
But in the oceans, we don't have that war.
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但是,在海洋中我们不会有这样的矛盾。
08:15
In the oceans, biodiversity is not at war
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在海洋中,生物多样性
08:18
with abundance.
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与食物资源的富饶程度不相矛盾。
08:19
In fact, they're aligned.
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事实上,他们是一致的。
08:21
When we do things that produce biodiversity,
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当我们做有益生物多样性的事情的时候,
08:24
we actually get more abundance,
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我们会得到更加丰饶的资源,
08:27
and that's important so that we can feed people.
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那是非常重要的,因为富足的鱼类资源能为人类提供食物。
08:30
Now, there's a catch.
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这里有一个小小的陷阱。
08:33
Didn't anyone get that? (Laughter)
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有人理解我的意思吗?(笑声)
08:36
Illegal fishing.
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我想说的是:非法捕鱼。
08:38
Illegal fishing undermines the type of
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非法捕鱼会破坏
08:39
sustainable fisheries management I'm talking about.
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我刚才所描述的可持续的渔业管理。
08:41
It can be when you catch fish using gears
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非法捕鱼可以是:
08:44
that have been prohibited,
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使用被禁止的工具捕鱼;
08:45
when you fish in places where you're not supposed to fish,
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在禁捕区捕鱼;
08:48
you catch fish that are the wrong size or the wrong species.
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或者是,捕获错误的尺寸或种类的鱼。
08:51
Illegal fishing cheats the consumer
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非法捕鱼迷惑了消费者,
08:53
and it also cheats honest fishermen,
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也欺骗了诚实的渔民,
08:55
and it needs to stop.
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这需要被阻止。
08:56
The way illegal fish get into our market is through seafood fraud.
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非法捕获的鱼是通过海产品欺诈进入市场的。
08:59
You might have heard about this.
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你也许听说过海产品欺诈。
09:01
It's when fish are labeled as something they're not.
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它是指,鱼类在销售时被贴上了错误的名称标签。
09:04
Think about the last time you had fish.
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请你想想上次吃鱼的时候,
09:05
What were you eating?
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你到底在吃什么鱼呢?
09:06
Are you sure that's what it was?
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你确定你吃的鱼是你所想的那个种类吗?
09:08
Because we tested 1,300 different fish samples
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因为我们抽取过 1300 种不同的鱼类样品来做过测试,
09:11
and about a third of them
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在这些鱼类样本中,
09:12
were not what they were labeled to be.
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大约有三分之一是名不副实的。
09:14
Snappers, nine out of 10 snappers were not snapper.
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九分之十的“鲷鱼”不是真的鲷鱼。
09:16
Fifty-nine percent of the tuna we tested
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百分之五十九的“金枪鱼”
09:19
was mislabeled.
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也并非是真的金枪鱼。
09:21
And red snapper, we tested 120 samples,
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而在 120 个红鲷鱼样品中,
09:23
and only seven of them were really red snapper,
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只有 7 个是真正的红鲷鱼。
09:25
so good luck finding a red snapper.
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如果你想买到真的红鲷鱼,那么我祝你好运。
09:29
Seafood has a really complex supply chain,
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海鲜产品有着非常复杂的供应链,
09:31
and at every step in this supply chain,
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在供应链的每一个环节中
09:33
there's an opportunity for seafood fraud,
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都有海产品诈骗的机会,
09:35
unless we have traceability.
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除非我们有追踪系统。
09:38
Traceability is a way where the seafood industry
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追踪系统是海鲜产业中被用于
09:40
can track the seafood from the boat to the plate
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追踪海鲜产品从上岸到进入消费市场上的整个过程,
09:43
to make sure that the consumer can then find out
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这保证了消费者能够知道
09:45
where their seafood came from.
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他们购买的海鲜来自哪里。
09:47
This is a really important thing.
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这是一件非常重要的事情。
09:49
It's being done by some in the industry, but not enough,
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这种方法在一些产业中已经被运用,但这是不够的,
09:51
so we're pushing a law in Congress
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所以我们正在向国会争取通过一项法案,
09:52
called the SAFE Seafood Act,
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这项法案叫做“海鲜安全法案”。
09:54
and I'm very excited today to announce the release
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我今天能够在这里公开厨师们的请愿书,让我非常激动。
09:56
of a chef's petition, where 450 chefs
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已经有450 个主厨
09:59
have signed a petition calling on Congress
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签署了这个请愿书,
要求国会对“海鲜安全法案”给予支持。
10:02
to support the SAFE Seafood Act.
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10:04
It has a lot of celebrity chefs you may know --
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他们中有一些是你们可能听说过的有名的厨师,
10:06
Anthony Bourdain, Mario Batali,
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比如,安东尼伯尔顿、马里奥巴塔利、
10:09
Barton Seaver and others —
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巴顿西弗,等等。
10:11
and they've signed it because they believe
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他们签署了这个请愿,
10:12
that people have a right to know
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是因为他们相信
10:14
about what they're eating.
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人们有权利知道他们吃的是什么。
10:16
(Applause)
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(掌声)
渔民们也支持这个法案,
10:22
Fishermen like it too, so there's a good chance
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10:24
we can get the kind of support we need
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所以我们很有信心能得到来自国会的支持,
10:26
to get this bill through,
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10:26
and it comes at a critical time,
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来促使法案被通过。
现在是非常关键的时刻,
10:28
because this is the way we stop seafood fraud,
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因为这是我们停止海产品欺诈的途径;
10:30
this is the way we curb illegal fishing,
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是抑制非法捕鱼的途径;
10:32
and this is the way we make sure
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也是我们确保
10:34
that quotas, habitat protection,
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捕鱼配额、鱼类栖息地保护,和减少鱼类误捕这些措施
10:36
and bycatch reductions can do the jobs
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能够发挥作用的途径。
10:38
they can do.
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10:39
We know that we can manage our fisheries sustainably.
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我们知道我们能够可持续地管理渔业。
10:42
We know that we can produce
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我们知道我们可以
10:44
healthy meals for hundreds of millions of people
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为上亿人类生产健康的食品的同时,
10:47
that don't use the land, that don't use much water,
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不去使用田地,不消耗大量水资源
10:50
have a low carbon footprint,
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同时维持低碳排放量,
10:51
and are cost-effective.
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并且做到经济有效。
10:53
We know that saving the oceans
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我们知道拯救海洋
10:55
can feed the world,
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可以喂饱全世界,
10:56
and we need to start now.
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我们现在就得开始去做。
10:59
(Applause)
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(掌声)
11:01
Thank you. (Applause)
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谢谢(掌声)
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