The mind behind Linux | Linus Torvalds | TED

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Prevodilac: Milenka Okuka Lektor: Mile Živković
00:13
Chris Anderson: This is such a strange thing.
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Kris Anderson: Ovo je tako čudno.
00:15
Your software, Linux, is in millions of computers,
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Tvoj softver Linuks je u milionima kompjutera,
00:18
it probably powers much of the Internet.
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verovatno pokreće veći deo interneta.
00:22
And I think that there are, like,
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I verujem da ima skoro
00:24
a billion and a half active Android devices out there.
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milijardu i po aktivnih android uređaja.
00:27
Your software is in every single one of them.
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Tvoj softver je u baš svakom od njih.
00:30
It's kind of amazing.
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Nekako je neverovatno.
00:31
You must have some amazing software headquarters driving all this.
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Mora da imaš neverovatno sedište za softver koje pokreće sve ovo.
00:37
That's what I thought -- and I was shocked when I saw a picture of it.
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To sam mislio - i šokirao sam se kad sam video njegovu sliku.
00:40
I mean, this is --
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Mislim, ovo je -
00:41
this is the Linux world headquarters.
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ovo je svetsko sedište Linuksa.
00:43
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
00:45
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
00:49
Linus Torvalds: It really doesn't look like much.
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Linus Torvalds: Zaista ne izgleda bog zna kako.
00:52
And I have to say,
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I moram da kažem
00:53
the most interesting part in this picture,
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da je najzanimljiviji deo na slici,
00:57
that people mostly react to,
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na koji ljudi uglavnom reaguju,
00:59
is the walking desk.
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pokretni sto.
01:00
It is the most interesting part in my office
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To je najzanimljiviji deo moje kancelarije
01:03
and I'm not actually using it anymore.
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i ja ga zapravo više ne koristim.
01:05
And I think the two things are related.
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I mislim da su ove dve stvari povezane.
01:09
The way I work is ...
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Način na koji radim...
01:13
I want to not have external stimulation.
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Ne želim da imam spoljne podsticaje.
01:18
You can kind of see, on the walls are this light green.
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Možete nekako da vidite, zidovi su svetlozeleni.
01:23
I'm told that at mental institutions they use that on the walls.
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Rečeno mi je da mentalne institucije koriste tu boju na zidovima.
01:27
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
01:29
It's like a calming color,
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To je nekako umirujuća boja,
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it's not something that really stimulates you.
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nije nešto što bi vas zaista stimulisalo.
01:35
What you can't see is the computer here, you only see the screen,
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Ovde ne vidite kompjuter, samo vidite ekran,
01:39
but the main thing I worry about in my computer is --
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ali najvažnije mi je kod kompjutera -
01:42
it doesn't have to be big and powerful, although I like that --
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ne moraju da budu veliki i moćni, iako mi se i to sviđa -
01:46
it really has to be completely silent.
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zaista moraju da budu potpuno tihi.
01:49
I know people who work for Google
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Znam ljude koji rade za Gugl
01:52
and they have their own small data center at home,
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i imaju svoje male centre za podatke u svojim domovima,
01:55
and I don't do that.
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a ja to ne radim.
01:56
My office is the most boring office you'll ever see.
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Moja kancelarija je najdosadnija kancelarija koju ćete ikada videti.
02:00
And I sit there alone in the quiet.
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I ja sedim u njoj sam i u tišini.
02:04
If the cat comes up,
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Ako mačka navrati,
02:06
it sits in my lap.
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sedi mi na krilu.
02:08
And I want to hear the cat purring,
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A ja želim da slušam mačku kako prede,
02:10
not the sound of the fans in the computer.
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a ne zvuk ventilatora u kompjuteru.
02:13
CA: So this is astonishing,
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KA: Ovo je zapanjujuće
02:14
because working this way,
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jer radeći na ovaj način,
02:17
you're able to run this vast technology empire --
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u stanju si da upravljaš tim ogromnim tehnološkim carstvom -
02:20
it is an empire --
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radi se o carstvu -
02:21
so that's an amazing testament to the power of open source.
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stoga je to neverovatno svedočanstvo snage otvorenog koda.
02:25
Tell us how you got to understand open source
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Ispričaj nam kako si savladao otvoreni kod
02:29
and how it lead to the development of Linux.
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i kako je to dovelo do nastanka Linuksa.
02:33
LT: I mean, I still work alone.
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LT: Mislim, i dalje radim sam.
02:35
Really -- I work alone in my house,
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Zaista - radim sam u svojoj kući,
02:38
often in my bathrobe.
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često u bade-mantilu.
02:40
When a photographer shows up, I dress up,
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Kad fotograf navrati, obučem se,
02:42
so I have clothes on.
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da bih imao odeću na sebi.
02:43
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:45
And that's how I've always worked.
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I tako sam oduvek radio.
02:47
I mean, this was how I started Linux, too.
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Mislim, ovako sam i Linuks stvorio.
02:49
I did not start Linux as a collaborative project.
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Nisam stvorio Linuks da bude sarađivački projekat.
02:53
I started it as one in a series of many projects
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Stvorio sam ga kao jedan u nizu mnogih projekata
02:57
I had done at the time for myself,
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koje sam svojevremeno pravio za sebe,
03:01
partly because I needed the end result,
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delimično zbog krajnjeg rezultata,
03:03
but even more because I just enjoyed programming.
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no i više zato što sam prosto uživao u programiranju.
03:06
So it was about the end of the journey,
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Dakle, radilo se o kraju putovanja,
03:10
which, 25 years later, we still have not reached.
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do kog, 25 godina kasnije, još nismo stigli.
03:13
But it was really about the fact that I was looking for a project on my own
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Ali zaista se radilo o činjenici da sam tragao za samostalnim projektom
03:17
and there was no open source, really, on my radar at all.
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i otvoreni kod mi zaista uopšte nije bio na umu.
03:21
And what happened is ...
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A desilo se da je...
03:24
the project grows and becomes something you want to show off to people.
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projekat raste i postane nešto čime želite da se pohvalite pred ljudima.
03:30
Really, this is more of a, "Wow, look at what I did!"
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Zaista, ovo je više u fazonu: "Vau, pogledajte šta sam napravio!"
03:34
And trust me -- it was not that great back then.
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I verujte mi - tada to nije bilo toliko sjajno.
03:38
I made it publicly available,
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Učinio sam da bude dostupan javnosti
03:40
and it wasn't even open source at that point.
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i u tom trenutku nije čak ni bio otvoren kôd.
03:42
At that point it was source that was open, but there was no intention
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U tom trenutku je bio dostupan kôd, ali nije postojala namera
03:47
behind using the kind of open-source methodology that we think of today
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njegovog korišćenja u vidu metodologije otvorenog kôda kakva se danas podrazumeva
03:52
to improve it.
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za unapređivanje.
03:53
It was more like,
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Više je bilo u fazonu:
03:54
"Look, I've been working on this for half a year,
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"Pogledajte, na ovome sam radio pola godine,
03:58
I'd love to have comments."
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voleo bih da čujem komentare."
04:00
And other people approached me.
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A drugi su mi prilazili.
04:03
At the University of Helsinki,
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Na Univerzitetu Helsinki
04:04
I had a friend who was one of the open source --
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sam imao prijatelja koji je pripadao otvorenom kôdu -
04:08
it was called mainly "free software" back then --
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tada se uglavnom to zvalo "besplatan softver" -
04:12
and he actually introduced me to the notion that, hey,
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i zapravo mi je predstavio ideju o tome da, hej,
04:16
you can use these open-source licenses that had been around.
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možeš da koristiš postojeće licence otvorenih kodova.
04:24
And I thought about it for a while.
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I ja sam razmišljao na kratko o tome.
04:26
I was actually worried about the whole commercial interests coming in.
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Zapravo sam brinuo o čitavom komercijalnom interesu u svemu tome.
04:29
I mean, that's one of the worries I think most people who start out have,
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Mislim, to je jedna od briga koju verujem većina ima kad počinje,
04:34
is that they worry about somebody taking advantage of their work, right?
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brinu da će neko da se okoristi njihovim radom.
04:39
And I decided, "What the hell?"
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I odlučio sam: "Zašto da ne?"
04:43
And --
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I -
04:44
CA: And then at some point,
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KA: Onda je jednom
04:46
someone contributed some code that you thought,
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neko napravio doprinos nekim kodom da si pomislio:
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"Wow, that really is interesting, I would not have thought of that.
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"Opa, to je zaista zanimljivo, to mi ne bi palo na pamet.
04:51
This could actually improve this."
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Moglo bi zapravo da unapredi ovo."
04:53
LT: It didn't even start by people contributing code,
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LT: Nije počelo tako što su ljudi doprinosili kodovima,
04:56
it was more that people started contributing ideas.
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više su ljudi doprinosili idejama.
04:59
And just the fact that somebody else takes a look at your project --
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A sama činjenica da neko drugi pogleda vaš projekat -
05:03
and I'm sure it's true of other things, too,
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i siguran sam da je tako i kod drugih stvari,
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but it's definitely true in code --
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ali je definitivno tačno za kôd -
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is that somebody else takes an interest in your code,
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to da se neko drugi zainteresuje za vaš kôd,
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looks at it enough to actually give you feedback
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pogleda ga taman toliko da pruži povratnu informaciju
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and give you ideas.
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i da vam da ideje.
05:15
That was a huge thing for me.
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To mi je bilo od ogromne važnosti.
05:17
I was 21 at the time, so I was young,
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Tada mi je bila 21 godina, dakle, bio sam mlad,
05:20
but I had already programmed for half my life, basically.
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ali već tada sam proveo praktično pola života programirajući.
05:24
And every project before that had been completely personal
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A svaki prethodni projekat je bio potpuno lične prirode
05:28
and it was a revelation when people just started commenting,
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i bilo mi je otkrovenje kad su ljudi počeli prosto da komentarišu,
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started giving feedback on your code.
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da daju povratne informacije o mom kodu.
05:34
And even before they started giving code back,
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A čak i pre nego što su počeli da mi vraćaju kôd,
05:38
that was, I think, one of the big moments where I said,
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to je bio, verujem, veliki momenat kad sam rekao:
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"I love other people!"
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"Volim druge ljude!"
05:43
Don't get me wrong --
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Da ne bude zabune -
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I'm actually not a people person.
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zapravo nisam druželjubiv.
05:46
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
05:49
I don't really love other people --
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Zaista ne volim druge ljude -
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
05:53
But I love computers,
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Ali volim kompjutere,
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I love interacting with other people on email,
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volim da kontaktiram s drugim ljudima putem mejla
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because it kind of gives you that buffer.
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jer to nekako ublažava stvari.
06:00
But I do love other people who comment and get involved in my project.
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Ali volim druge ljude koji komentarišu i uključuju se u moj projekat.
06:06
And it made it so much more.
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Tako je postao nešto značajnije.
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CA: So was there a moment when you saw what was being built
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KA: Da li je postojao momenat kad si uvideo šta se stvara
06:12
and it suddenly started taking off,
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i da iznenada zaživljava
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and you thought, "Wait a sec, this actually could be something huge,
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i pomislio si: "Stani malo, ovo bi zapravo moglo da bude nešto veliko,
06:17
not just a personal project that I'm getting nice feedback on,
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a ne puki lični projekat za koji dobijam dobre reakcije,
06:20
but a kind of explosive development in the whole technology world"?
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već se radi o burnom preokretu u čitavom svetu tehnologije?"
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LT: Not really.
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LT: Ne baš,
06:27
I mean, the big point for me, really, was not when it was becoming huge,
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mislim, važan momenat za mene nije bio kad je sve postajalo ogromno,
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it was when it was becoming little.
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već kad je sve postajalo malo.
06:33
The big point for me was not being alone
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Velika stvar za mene je što više nisam bio sam
06:37
and having 10, maybe 100 people being involved --
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već sam imao deset, možda 100 ljudi koji su uključeni -
06:40
that was a big point.
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to je bila velika stvar.
06:42
Then everything else was very gradual.
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Sve posle toga je bilo postupno.
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Going from 100 people to a million people is not a big deal -- to me.
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Prelazak sa 100 ljudi na milion ljudi nije bila velika stvar za mene.
06:49
Well, I mean, maybe it is if you're --
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Pa, mislim, možda jeste ako vi -
06:51
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
06:52
If you want to sell your result then it's a huge deal --
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ako želite prodati svoj rezultat, onda jeste strašna stvar -
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don't get me wrong.
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da se razumemo.
06:56
But if you're interested in the technology
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Ali ako ste zainteresovani za tehnologiju
06:58
and you're interested in the project,
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i zainteresovani za projekat,
07:00
the big part was getting the community.
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važan deo je pridobijanje zajednice.
07:02
Then the community grew gradually.
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Onda je zajednica postupno rasla.
07:04
And there's actually not a single point where I went like,
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I zapravo nije postojao momenat kad sam bio u fazonu:
07:08
"Wow, that just took off!" because it --
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"Ala je ovo baš zaživelo!" jer -
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I mean -- it took a long time, relatively.
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mislim - trebalo je relativno mnogo vremena.
07:13
CA: So all the technologists that I talk to really credit you
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KA: Dakle, svi tehnolozi s kojim sam razgovarao pripisuju ti
07:16
with massively changing their work.
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da si im mnogo promenio posao.
07:19
And it's not just Linux,
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Ne radi se samo o Linuksu,
07:21
it's this thing called Git,
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već o nečemu što se zove Git,
07:22
which is this management system for software development.
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to je upravljački sistem za razvoj softvera.
07:26
Tell us briefly about that and your role in that.
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Ispričaj nam ukratko o tome i o tvojoj ulozi u tome.
07:30
LT: So one of the issues we had,
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LT: Jedno od pitanja koje smo imali,
07:32
and this took a while to start to appear,
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a trebalo je vremena da počne da iskače,
07:35
is when you ...
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je kad..
07:37
When you grow from having 10 people or 100 people working on a project
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kad broj ljudi koji radi na projektu poraste od 10 ili 100
07:43
to having 10,000 people, which --
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na 10,000 ljudi što -
07:45
I mean, right now we're in the situation where just on the kernel,
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mislim, trenutno imamo situaciju gde samo na jednom softveru
07:48
we have 1,000 people involved in every single release
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imamo uključeno 1,000 ljudi prilikom svakog objavljivanja,
07:52
and that's every two months, roughly two or three months.
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a to se dešava na svaka dva meseca, otprilike dva ili tri meseca.
07:56
Some of those people don't do a lot.
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Neki ljudi ne doprinose mnogo.
07:58
There's a lot of people who make small, small changes.
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Gomila ljudi pravi male, male promene.
08:01
But to maintain this,
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Ali da biste održavali ovo,
08:03
the scale changes how you have to maintain it.
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razmere menjaju to kako upravljate time.
08:06
And we went through a lot of pain.
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I prošli smo kroz mnogo muka.
08:10
And there are whole projects that do only source-code maintenance.
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Imamo čitave projekte koji se jedino bave održavanjem otvorenog kôda.
08:17
CVS is the one that used to be the most commonly used,
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Nekada je najčešće korišćen CVS,
08:20
and I hated CVS with a passion and refused to touch it
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a ja sam strasno mrzeo CVS i odbijao sam da ga diram,
08:24
and tried something else that was radical and interesting
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te sam isprobavao nešto drugo radikalnije i interesantnije
08:27
and everybody else hated.
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što su svi drugi mrzeli.
08:31
CA: (Laughs)
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KA: (Smeje se)
08:32
LT: And we were in this bad spot,
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LT: I bili smo u problemu,
08:34
where we had thousands of people who wanted to participate,
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imali smo na hiljade ljudi koji su želeli da učestvuju,
08:37
but in many ways, I was the kind of break point,
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ali na razne načine ja sam bio tačka prekida,
08:42
where I could not scale to the point
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gde nisam mogao da savladam
08:44
where I could work with thousands of people.
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da radim sa hiljadama ljudi.
08:47
So Git is my second big project,
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Stoga je Git moj drugi veliki projekat,
08:50
which was only created for me to maintain my first big project.
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koji je napravljen za mene kako bi održavao moj prvi veliki projekat.
08:55
And this is literally how I work.
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Ja bukvalno tako radim.
08:57
I don't code for --
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Ne kodiram zbog -
09:00
well, I do code for fun --
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dobro, kodiram iz zabave -
09:01
but I want to code for something meaningful
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ali želim da kodiram za nešto što ima smisla,
09:04
so every single project I've ever done has been something I needed
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stoga je svaki projekat kojim sam se bavio bio nešto što mi je trebalo
09:08
and --
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i -
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CA: So really, both Linux and Git kind of arose
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KA: Dakle, zaista, i Linuks i Git su na neki način proistekli
09:13
almost as an unintended consequence
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skoro kao nenamerna posledica
09:15
of your desire not to have to work with too many people.
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tvoje želje da ne radiš s previše ljudi.
09:18
LT: Absolutely. Yes.
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LT: Apsolutno. Da.
09:19
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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CA: That's amazing. LT: Yeah.
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KA: To je neverovatno. LT: Da.
09:22
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
09:23
And yet, you're the man who's transformed technology
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Pa, ipak, ti si čovek koji je transformisao tehnologiju,
09:27
not just once but twice,
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ne jednom, već dva puta
09:28
and we have to try and understand why it is.
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i moramo da pokušamo da raumemo zašto je to tako.
09:31
You've given us some clues, but ...
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Malo si nam nagovestio, ali...
09:32
Here's a picture of you as a kid, with a Rubik's Cube.
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Ovo je slika tebe kao dečaka, s Rubikovom kockom.
09:37
You mentioned that you've been programming since you were like 10 or 11,
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Pomenuo si da programiraš od svoje 10 ili 11. godine,
09:41
half your life.
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pola svog života.
09:43
Were you this sort of computer genius, you know, übernerd,
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Da li si bio tip kompjuterskog genijalca, znaš, nadštreber,
09:46
were you the star at school who could do everything?
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jesi li bio školska faca koja može da uradi bilo šta?
09:49
What were you like as a kid?
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Kakav si bio kao dete?
09:52
LT: Yeah, I think I was the prototypical nerd.
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LT: Da, mislim da sam bio prototip štrebera.
09:54
I mean, I was ...
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Mislim, bio sam...
09:57
I was not a people person back then.
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Nisam ni tad bio druželjubiv.
09:59
That's my younger brother.
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To je moj mlađi brat.
10:01
I was clearly more interested in the Rubik's Cube
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Mene očigledno više interesuje Rubikova kocka
10:04
than my younger brother.
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od mog mlađeg brata.
10:06
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
10:07
My younger sister, who's not in the picture,
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Moja mlađa sestra, koje nema na slici,
10:10
when we had family meetings --
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kad bismo imali porodična okupljanja -
10:12
and it's not a huge family, but I have, like, a couple of cousins --
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a ne radi se o velikoj porodici, ali imam otprilike nekoliko rođaka -
10:16
she would prep me beforehand.
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ona bi me unapred pripremala.
10:19
Like, before I stepped into the room she would say,
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Kao, pre nego bih zakoračio u prostoriju ona bi rekla:
10:22
"OK. That's so-and-so ..."
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"U redu. Tako i tako..."
10:25
Because I was not --
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Jer nisam bio -
10:28
I was a geek.
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bio sam čudak.
10:29
I was into computers,
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Zanimali su me kompjuteri,
10:30
I was into math,
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matematika,
10:31
I was into physics.
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fizika.
10:33
I was good at that.
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Bio sam dobar u tome.
10:34
I don't think I was particularly exceptional.
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Mislim da nisam bio naročito izuzetan.
10:37
Apparently, my sister said
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Očito, moja sestra bi rekla
10:39
that my biggest exceptional quality was that I would not let go.
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da je moja najizuzetnija vrlina to što neću da se okanim.
10:47
CA: OK, so let's go there, because that's interesting.
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KA: U redu, počnimo odatle jer je to zanimljivo.
10:50
You would not let go.
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Ne možeš da se okaniš.
10:51
So that's not about being a geek and being smart,
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Dakle ne radi se o tome da si štreber i da si pametan,
10:54
that's about being ... stubborn?
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radi se o tome da si... tvrdoglav?
10:57
LT: That's about being stubborn.
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LT: Radi se o tvrdoglavosti.
10:58
That's about, like,
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Radi se o tome da,
11:01
just starting something
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kad upravo započnete nešto
11:03
and not saying, "OK, I'm done, let's do something else --
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i ne kažete: "U redu, završio sam, radimo nešto drugo -
11:08
Look: shiny!"
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vidi, nešto svetlucavo!"
11:10
And I notice that in many other parts in my life, too.
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Primetio sam to i u drugim oblastima mog života.
11:15
I lived in Silicon Valley for seven years.
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Živeo sam sedam godina u Silicijumskoj dolini.
11:18
And I worked for the same company, in Silicon Valley,
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I radio sam za istu firmu u Silicijumskoj dolini,
11:22
for the whole time.
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sve vreme.
11:24
That is unheard of.
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To je nezapamćeno.
Tako ne funkcioniše Silicijumska dolina.
11:27
That's not how Silicon Valley works.
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11:28
The whole point of Silicon Valley is that people jump between jobs
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Čitava poenta Silicijumske doline je da ljudi prelaze s posla na posao
11:32
to kind of mix up the pot.
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kako bi se napravio bućkuriš.
11:35
And that's not the kind of person I am.
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A ja nisam takva osoba.
11:37
CA: But during the actual development of Linux itself,
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KA: Međutim tokom razvoja samog Linuksa
11:39
that stubbornness sometimes brought you in conflict with other people.
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ta tvrdoglavost te je ponekad dovodila u sukob s drugim ljudima.
11:44
Talk about that a bit.
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Pričaj nam malo o tome.
11:46
Was that essential to sort of maintain the quality of what was being built?
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Je li to bilo krucijalno za održavanje kvaliteta onoga što ste pravili?
11:51
How would you describe what happened?
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Kako bi objasnio šta se desilo?
11:54
LT: I don't know if it's essential.
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LT: Ne znam da li je krucijalno.
11:57
Going back to the "I'm not a people person," --
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Vratiću se na to da "nisam druželjubiva osoba" -
12:00
sometimes I'm also ...
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ponekad sam takođe...
12:04
shall we say,
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da li da kažem,
12:05
"myopic" when it comes to other people's feelings,
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"kratkovid" kad su u pitanju osećanja drugih ljudi,
12:09
and that sometimes makes you say things that hurt other people.
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a zbog toga ponekad kažete nešto što povređuje druge ljude.
12:14
And I'm not proud of that.
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I nisam ponosan na to.
12:18
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
12:19
But, at the same time, it's --
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Ali istovremeno se radi -
12:22
I get people who tell me that I should be nice.
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razumem ljude koji mi govore da bi trebalo da budem ljubazan.
12:26
And then when I try to explain to them that maybe you're nice,
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A onda kad pokušam da im objasnim da su oni možda ljubazni,
12:32
maybe you should be more aggressive,
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možda bi trebalo da budu agresivniji,
12:34
they see that as me being not nice.
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oni to vide kao neljubaznost.
12:38
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
12:40
What I'm trying to say is we are different.
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Pokušavam da kažem da smo svi mi različiti.
12:42
I'm not a people person;
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Ja nisam druželjubiv;
12:44
it's not something I'm particularly proud of,
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nije to nešto na šta sam naročito ponosan,
12:46
but it's part of me.
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ali je deo mene.
12:48
And one of the things I really like about open source
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A jedna stvar koja mi se zaista sviđa kod otvorenog kôda
12:50
is it really allows different people to work together.
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je to što zaista omogućuje različitim ljudima da rade zajedno.
12:56
We don't have to like each other --
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Ne moramo da se međusobno volimo -
12:58
and sometimes we really don't like each other.
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a ponekad se zaista ne sviđamo jedni drugima.
13:00
Really -- I mean, there are very, very heated arguments.
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Zaista - ima tu veoma, veoma žustrih rasprava.
13:04
But you can, actually, you can find things that --
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Ali možete, zapravo, možete da otkrijete stvari -
13:08
you don't even agree to disagree,
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čak se ni ne slažete da se ne slažete,
13:10
it's just that you're interested in really different things.
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prosto vas zanimaju potpuno različite stvari.
13:13
And coming back to the point where I said earlier
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Vratiću se na mesto od ranije gde sam rekao
13:16
that I was afraid of commercial people taking advantage of your work,
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kako sam se plašio da će komercijalisti da se okoriste mojim radom,
13:20
it turned out, and very quickly turned out,
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ispostavilo se, i to se veoma brzo ispostavilo,
13:23
that those commercial people were lovely, lovely people.
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da su ti komercijalisti dragi, dragi ljudi.
13:26
And they did all the things that I was not at all interested in doing,
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I obavili su sve ono što mene nije zanimalo da radim,
13:30
and they had completely different goals.
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a imali su potpuno različite ciljeve.
13:32
And they used open source in ways that I just did not want to go.
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I koristili su otvoreni kôd na načine kojim prosto nisam želeo da se bavim.
13:37
But because it was open source they could do it,
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No, kako se radilo o otvorenom kôdu, mogli su,
13:39
and it actually works really beautifully together.
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i to zapravo sve zajedno savršeno funkcioniše.
13:42
And I actually think it works the same way.
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I zapravo mislim da isto funkcioniše.
13:44
You need to have the people-people, the communicators,
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Morate da imate druželjubive ljude, komunikatore,
13:47
the warm and friendly people
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topla i prijateljska lica
13:49
who like --
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koji su u fazonu -
13:50
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
13:52
really want to hug you and get you into the community.
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da zaista žele da vas zagrle i da vas uvedu u zajednicu.
13:55
But that's not everybody.
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Ali svi nisu takvi.
13:56
And that's not me.
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Ja nisam takav.
13:58
I care about the technology.
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Mene interesuje tehnologija.
13:59
There are people who care about the UI.
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Neke ljude zanima korisnički interfejs.
14:01
I can't do UI to save my life.
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Ne bih mogao ni za spas života da napravim korisnički interfejs.
14:04
I mean, if I was stranded on an island
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Mislim, kad bih se nasukao na pusto ostrvo
14:07
and the only way to get off that island was the make a pretty UI,
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i jedini način da odem s ostrva je da napravim lep korisnički interfejs,
14:11
I'd die there.
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umro bih tamo.
14:12
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
14:13
So there's different kinds of people,
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Dakle, postoje razni ljudi;
14:15
and I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to explain.
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i ne pravdam se, pokušavam da objasnim.
14:18
CA: Now, when we talked last week,
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KA: Kad smo pričali prošle sedmice,
14:20
you talked about some other trait that you have,
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govorio si o još jednoj osobini koju poseduješ,
14:22
which I found really interesting.
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a koja je meni zaista zanimljiva.
14:24
It's this idea called taste.
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Ideja koja se naziva ukusom.
14:25
And I've just got a couple of images here.
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I imam ovde nekoliko slika.
14:28
I think this is an example of not particularly good taste in code,
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Verujem da je ovo primer ne naročito dobrog ukusa u kodiranju,
14:32
and this one is better taste,
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a ovaj je s više ukusa,
14:35
which one can immediately see.
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to svako odmah primeti.
14:37
What is the difference between these two?
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U čemu je razlika među njima?
14:40
LT: So this is --
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LT: Dakle, ovo je -
14:41
How many people here actually have coded?
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Koliko se vas ovde bavilo kodiranjem?
14:45
CA: Oh my goodness.
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KA: O, gospode.
14:47
LT: So I guarantee you,
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LT: Pa, garantujem vam,
14:48
everybody who raised their hand,
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svi koji su podigli ruke,
14:49
they have done what's called a singly-linked list.
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radili su ono što se naziva jednostruko povezanim listama.
14:52
And it's taught --
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To se uči -
14:55
This, the first not very good taste approach,
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Ovo, prvo nije pristup naročito dobrog ukusa,
14:58
is basically how it's taught to be done when you start out coding.
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u suštini tako vas uče kad počnete da kodirate.
15:02
And you don't have to understand the code.
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I ne morate da razumete kôd.
15:04
The most interesting part to me
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Najzanimljiviji deo za mene
15:06
is the last if statement.
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je poslednji iskaz "ako".
15:10
Because what happens in a singly-linked list --
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Jer u jednostruko povezanim listama se dešava -
15:13
this is trying to remove an existing entry from a list --
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ovo pokušava da ukloni postojeći unos sa liste -
15:16
and there's a difference between if it's the first entry
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a postoji razlika u tome da li se radi o prvom unosu
15:20
or whether it's an entry in the middle.
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ili se radi o unosu u sredini.
15:22
Because if it's the first entry,
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Jer ako se radi o prvom unosu,
15:24
you have to change the pointer to the first entry.
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morate da promenite pokazivač na prvi unos.
15:27
If it's in the middle,
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Ako je u sredini,
15:28
you have to change the pointer of a previous entry.
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morate da promenite pokazivač kod prethodnog unosa.
15:31
So they're two completely different cases.
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Radi se o dva potpuno različita slučaja.
15:33
CA: And that's better.
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KA: A taj je bolji.
15:34
LT: And this is better.
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LT: Ovaj je bolji.
15:35
It does not have the if statement.
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Nema "ako" iskaz.
15:38
And it doesn't really matter --
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I nije zaista bitno -
15:40
I don't want you understand why it doesn't have the if statement,
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ne želim da shvatite zašto nema "ako" iskaz,
15:44
but I want you to understand
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ali želim da razumete
15:45
that sometimes you can see a problem in a different way
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da ponekad možete da posmatrate problem drugačije
15:48
and rewrite it so that a special case goes away
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i da ga prepravite kako bi nestao specijalan slučaj
15:51
and becomes the normal case.
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i postao običan slučaj.
15:53
And that's good code.
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A to je dobar kôd.
15:55
But this is simple code.
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Ali ovo je prost kôd.
15:56
This is CS 101.
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Ovo su osnove kompjuterskog softvera.
15:58
This is not important -- although, details are important.
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Ovo nije važno - iako su detalji važni.
16:01
To me, the sign of people I really want to work with
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Za mene, znak da zaista želim da radim s ljudima
16:05
is that they have good taste, which is how ...
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je kad imaju dobar ukus, na taj način...
16:09
I sent you this stupid example
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Poslao sam vam ovaj glupi primer
16:10
that is not relevant because it's too small.
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koji nije relevantan jer je suviše kratak.
16:13
Good taste is much bigger than this.
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Dobar ukus je mnogo više od ovoga.
16:15
Good taste is about really seeing the big patterns
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Dobar ukus je kad zaista vidite velike obrasce
16:19
and kind of instinctively knowing what's the right way to do things.
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i kad instinktivno znate koji je pravi način da radite nešto.
16:24
CA: OK, so we're putting the pieces together here now.
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KA: U redu, trenutno sklapamo kockice.
16:27
You have taste,
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Ti imaš ukusa,
16:30
in a way that's meaningful to software people.
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na način koji je značajan programerima softvera.
16:32
You're --
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Ti si -
16:33
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
16:35
LT: I think it was meaningful to some people here.
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LT: Mislim da je bilo značajno za neke ljude ovde.
16:39
CA: You're a very smart computer coder,
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KA: Ti si veoma pametan programer
16:42
and you're hellish stubborn.
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i prokleto si tvrdoglav.
16:45
But there must be something else.
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Međutim, mora da ima još nešto.
16:47
I mean, you've changed the future.
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Mislim, promenio si budućnost.
16:48
You must have the ability of these grand visions of the future.
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Mora da imaš moć za te velike vizije budućnosti.
16:51
You're a visionary, right?
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Ti si vizionar, zar ne?
16:53
LT: I've actually felt slightly uncomfortable at TED
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LT: Zapravo osećam blagu neprijatnost na TED-u
16:55
for the last two days,
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u protekla dva dana
16:57
because there's a lot of vision going on, right?
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jer ovde imamo mnogo vizija, zar ne?
17:00
And I am not a visionary.
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A ja nisam vizionar.
17:02
I do not have a five-year plan.
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Nemam petogodišnji plan.
17:04
I'm an engineer.
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Ja sam inženjer.
17:05
And I think it's really --
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I mislim da je to zaista -
17:07
I mean -- I'm perfectly happy with all the people
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mislim - uopšte mi ne smetaju svi ti ljudi
17:09
who are walking around and just staring at the clouds
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koji šetaju okolo i prosto zure u oblake
17:12
and looking at the stars and saying, "I want to go there."
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i gledaju u zvezde i govore: "Želim da stignem tamo."
17:15
But I'm looking at the ground,
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Ali ja gledam u zemlju
17:16
and I want to fix the pothole that's right in front of me
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i želim da popravim provaliju koja je ispred mene
17:19
before I fall in.
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pre nego što u nju upadnem.
17:20
This is the kind of person I am.
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Takva sam osoba.
17:22
(Cheers)
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(Klicanje)
17:23
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
17:25
CA: So you spoke to me last week about these two guys.
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KA: Govorio si mi prošle nedelje o ova dva čoveka.
17:29
Who are they and how do you relate to them?
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Ko su oni i kako se poistovećuješ s njima?
17:32
LT: Well, so this is kind of cliché in technology,
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LT: Pa, ovo je nekakav tehnološki kliše,
17:35
the whole Tesla versus Edison,
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sva ta fama Tesla protiv Edisona,
17:37
where Tesla is seen as the visionary scientist and crazy idea man.
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gde Teslu vide kao vizionara naučnika i čoveka s ludim idejama.
17:42
And people love Tesla.
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A ljudi vole Teslu.
17:45
I mean, there are people who name their companies after him.
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Mislim, neki ljudi nazivaju firme po njemu.
17:48
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
17:51
The other person there is Edison,
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Druga osoba ovde je Edison,
17:54
who is actually often vilified for being kind of pedestrian
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koga često kleveću da je bio nekako neinspirativan
17:57
and is --
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i jeste -
17:59
I mean, his most famous quote is,
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mislim, njegov najčuveniji citat je:
18:02
"Genius is one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration."
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"Genije je jedan procenat inspiracija, a 99 procenata vredan rad."
18:07
And I'm in the Edison camp,
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A ja sam u Edisonovom kampu,
18:08
even if people don't always like him.
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čak iako ga ljudi nužno ne vole.
18:11
Because if you actually compare the two,
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Jer ako zapravo uporedite ovu dvojicu,
18:14
Tesla has kind of this mind grab these days,
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Tesla nam zaokuplja umove ovih dana,
18:18
but who actually changed the world?
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ali ko je zapravo promenio svet?
18:21
Edison may not have been a nice person,
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Edison možda nije bio draga osoba,
18:25
he did a lot of things --
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uradio je mnogo toga -
18:28
he was maybe not so intellectual,
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možda nije bio toliko inteligentan,
18:30
not so visionary.
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nije bio naročit vizionar.
18:33
But I think I'm more of an Edison than a Tesla.
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Ali mislim da sam sličniji Edisonu nego Tesli.
18:37
CA: So our theme at TED this week is dreams --
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KA: Dakle, naša ovonedeljna tema na TED-u su snovi -
18:40
big, bold, audacious dreams.
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veliki, hrabri, odvažni snovi.
18:41
You're really the antidote to that.
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Ti si zaista suprotnost tome.
18:43
LT: I'm trying to dial it down a bit, yes.
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LT: Pokušavam malo da spustim loptu, da.
18:45
CA: That's good.
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KA: To je dobro.
18:46
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
18:47
We embrace you, we embrace you.
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Mi te prihvatamo, prihvatamo te.
18:51
Companies like Google and many others have made, arguably,
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Firme, poput Gugla i mnogih drugih, su zaradile verovatno
18:53
like, billions of dollars out of your software.
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na milijarde dolara na tvom softveru.
18:56
Does that piss you off?
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Da li te to nervira?
18:57
LT: No.
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LT: Ne.
18:58
No, it doesn't piss me off for several reasons.
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Ne nervira me iz nekoliko razloga.
19:01
And one of them is, I'm doing fine.
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A jedan od njih je da mi dobro ide.
19:03
I'm really doing fine.
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Zaista mi dobro ide.
19:04
But the other reason is --
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Ali drugi razlog je -
19:06
I mean, without doing the whole open source and really letting go thing,
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mislim, da se nisam bavio otvorenim kodom i zaista poklanjanjem,
19:11
Linux would never have been what it is.
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Linuks nikad ne bi postao ono što jeste.
19:14
And it's brought experiences I don't really enjoy, public talking,
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I donelo je iskustva, ja zaista ne uživam da govorim u javnosti,
19:19
but at the same time, this is an experience.
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ali istovremeno je i ovo iskustvo.
19:21
Trust me.
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Verujte mi.
19:23
So there's a lot of things going on that make me a very happy man
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Dakle, mnogo toga se dešava što me usrećuje
19:28
and thinking I did the right choices.
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i uverava da sam napravio prave izbore.
19:30
CA: Is the open source idea --
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KA: Da li je ideja o otvorenom kôdu -
19:32
this is, I think we'll end here --
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ovo je, mislim da ovim završavamo -
19:34
is the open source idea fully realized now in the world,
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da li je ideja o otvorenom kôdu u potpunosti realizovana trenutno u svetu
19:38
or is there more that it could go,
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ili ima još mesta za njenu upotrebu,
19:41
are there more things that it could do?
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ima li još nešto što bi mogla da postigne?
19:44
LT: So, I'm of two minds there.
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LT: Ovde se dvoumim.
19:46
I think one reason open source works so well in code
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Mislim da je razlog zašto otvoreni kôd dobro funkcioniše u kodiranju
19:51
is that at the end of the day,
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to što kad se sve svede,
19:53
code tends to be somewhat black and white.
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kôd je nekako crno-beo.
19:57
There's often a fairly good way to decide,
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Često imate poprilično dobar način da odlučite
20:01
this is done correctly and this is not done well.
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šta je urađeno tačno, a šta nije.
20:05
Code either works or it doesn't,
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Kôd ili funkcioniše ili ne funkcioniše,
20:07
which means that there's less room for arguments.
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što znači da ima manje prostora za rasprave.
20:12
And we have arguments despite this, right?
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A mi ipak raspravljamo, uprkos tome, zar ne?
20:16
In many other areas --
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U mnogim drugim oblastima -
20:17
I mean, people have talked about open politics and things like that --
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mislim, ljudi su govorili o otvorenoj politici i slično -
20:21
and it's really hard sometimes to say
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i zaista je teško ponekad reći
20:24
that, yes, you can apply the same principles in some other areas
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da, da, možete primeniti iste principe u nekim drugim oblastima
20:28
just because the black and white turns into not just gray,
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samo zato što se crno i belo ne pretvaraju prosto u sivo,
20:33
but different colors.
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već u različite boje.
20:36
So, obviously open source in science is making a comeback.
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Pa, očigledno se otvoreno deljenje vraća u nauku.
20:40
Science was there first.
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U nauci je i nastalo.
20:42
But then science ended up being pretty closed,
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Ali potom je nauka postala prilično zatvorena,
20:45
with very expensive journals and some of that going on.
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sa veoma skupim časopisima i sličnim pojavama.
20:48
And open source is making a comeback in science,
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A otvoreno deljenje se vraća u nauku,
20:52
with things like arXiv and open journals.
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sa pojavama poput arXiv-a i otvorenih časopisa.
20:59
Wikipedia changed the world, too.
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I Vikipedija je promenila svet.
21:01
So there are other examples,
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Pa ima tu i drugih primera
21:02
I'm sure there are more to come.
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i siguran sam da će ih biti još.
21:05
CA: But you're not a visionary,
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KA: Ali ti nisi vizionar,
21:07
and so it's not up to you to name them.
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pa nije na tebi da ih imenuješ.
21:09
LT: No.
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LT: Ne.
21:10
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
21:11
It's up to you guys to make them, right?
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Ljudi, na vama je da ih ostvarite, zar ne?
21:13
CA: Exactly.
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KA: Tačno tako.
21:14
Linus Torvalds,
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Linuse Torvaldse,
21:15
thank you for Linux, thank you for the Internet,
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hvala ti za Linuks, hvala ti za internet,
21:18
thank you for all those Android phones.
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hvala ti za sve telefone s androidom.
21:20
Thank you for coming here to TED and revealing so much of yourself.
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Hvala ti što si došao na TED i otkrio toliko o sebi.
21:23
LT: Thank you.
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LT: Hvala vama.
21:24
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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