The mind behind Linux | Linus Torvalds | TED

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

๋ฒˆ์—ญ: Tim(TaeWan) KIM ๊ฒ€ํ† : Jihyeon J. Kim
00:13
Chris Anderson: This is such a strange thing.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ฐธ ์ด์ƒํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋Œ€์˜ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ์— ์„ค์น˜๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:15
Your software, Linux, is in millions of computers,
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00:18
it probably powers much of the Internet.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์—์„œ ๊ฝค ์˜ํ–ฅ๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:22
And I think that there are, like,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ์ƒ์—๋Š”
00:24
a billion and a half active Android devices out there.
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15์–ต ๊ฐœ ์ •๋„์˜ ์•ˆ๋“œ๋กœ์ด๋“œ ์žฅ๋น„๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:27
Your software is in every single one of them.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค๋Š” ๊ทธ ์žฅ๋น„๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:30
It's kind of amazing.
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00:31
You must have some amazing software headquarters driving all this.
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๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ด€์žฅํ• ๋งŒํ•œ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๋ณธ๋ถ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:37
That's what I thought -- and I was shocked when I saw a picture of it.
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์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์ € ์‚ฌ์ง„์„ ๋ณด๋‹ˆ ๋†€๋ผ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:40
I mean, this is --
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
00:41
this is the Linux world headquarters.
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์ด๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค ๋ณธ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:43
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
00:45
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
00:49
Linus Torvalds: It really doesn't look like much.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ : ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด ๋ณด์ด์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:52
And I have to say,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์€
00:53
the most interesting part in this picture,
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์ด ์‚ฌ์ง„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€
00:57
that people mostly react to,
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๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋ณด์ด๋Š”๋ฐ
00:59
is the walking desk.
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์›€์ง์ด๋Š” ์ฑ…์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:00
It is the most interesting part in my office
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ
01:03
and I'm not actually using it anymore.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฅ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:05
And I think the two things are related.
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์ €๋Š” ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ์ด ์„œ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ด€๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:09
The way I work is ...
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์€
01:13
I want to not have external stimulation.
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์™ธ๋ถ€ ์ž๊ทน์„ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š๊ธธ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋ฒฝ์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์—ท์€ ๋…น์ƒ‰์ธ ๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์ด์‹œ์ฃ .
01:18
You can kind of see, on the walls are this light green.
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01:23
I'm told that at mental institutions they use that on the walls.
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์ •์‹ ์š”์–‘์†Œ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐ์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ƒ‰์„ ์“ด๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:27
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
01:29
It's like a calming color,
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์ฐจ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์ƒ‰๊น” ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:30
it's not something that really stimulates you.
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๋ณ„๋กœ ์ž๊ทน์„ ์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:35
What you can't see is the computer here, you only see the screen,
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ๋Š” ์•ˆ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ  ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์Šคํฌ๋ฆฐ๋งŒ ๋ณด์‹œ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ
01:39
but the main thing I worry about in my computer is --
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์šฐ๋ คํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
01:42
it doesn't have to be big and powerful, although I like that --
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์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ•๋ ฅํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ข‹์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ตณ์ด ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:46
it really has to be completely silent.
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์™„๋ฒฝํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์†Œ์Œ์ด ์—†์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:49
I know people who work for Google
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์ €๋Š” ๊ตฌ๊ธ€์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:52
and they have their own small data center at home,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ง‘์— ์ž์‹ ๋งŒ์˜ ์†Œ๊ทœ๋ชจ ๋ฐ์ดํ„ฐ ์„ผํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:55
and I don't do that.
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์ €๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:56
My office is the most boring office you'll ever see.
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์ œ ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์€ ์ฐธ ๋ฌด๋ฃŒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:00
And I sit there alone in the quiet.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์— ์กฐ์šฉํžˆ ํ˜ผ์ž ์•‰์•„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:04
If the cat comes up,
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๊ณ ์–‘์ด๊ฐ€ ์˜ฌ๋ผ์™€์„œ
02:06
it sits in my lap.
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์ œ ๋ฌด๋ฆŽ์— ์•‰์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:08
And I want to hear the cat purring,
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์ €๋Š” ๊ณ ์–‘์ด์˜ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด๋ž‘๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€
02:10
not the sound of the fans in the computer.
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์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ํŒฌ ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:13
CA: So this is astonishing,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ฐธ ๋†€๋ž์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
02:14
because working this way,
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ผํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ๋„
02:17
you're able to run this vast technology empire --
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์ด ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ œ๊ตญ์„ ์›€์ง์ผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:20
it is an empire --
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ตญ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:21
so that's an amazing testament to the power of open source.
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์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค์˜ ์œ„๋ ฅ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋†€๋ž„๋งŒํ•œ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ๊ฐ€ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:25
Tell us how you got to understand open source
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์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
02:29
and how it lead to the development of Linux.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ๋กœ ์ด์–ด์กŒ๋Š”์ง€๋„์š”.
02:33
LT: I mean, I still work alone.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ „ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ํ˜ผ์ž ์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:35
Really -- I work alone in my house,
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์ง„์งœ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ง‘์—์„œ ํ˜ผ์ž ์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:38
often in my bathrobe.
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์ž์ฃผ ๋ชฉ์š•๊ฐ€์šด์„ ์ž…๊ณ  ์ผํ•ด์š”.
02:40
When a photographer shows up, I dress up,
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์‚ฌ์ง„์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋ฉด, ์˜ท์„ ๊ฐ–์ถฐ ์ž…์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:42
so I have clothes on.
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๊ทธ์ œ์•ผ ์˜ท์„ ์ž…๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:43
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
02:45
And that's how I've always worked.
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:47
I mean, this was how I started Linux, too.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค๋ฅผ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:49
I did not start Linux as a collaborative project.
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์ €๋Š” ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค๋ฅผ ๊ณต๋™ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ผ๋ จ์˜ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ ์ค‘์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:53
I started it as one in a series of many projects
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02:57
I had done at the time for myself,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๋•Œ์— ๋งˆ์ณค๋Š”๋ฐ
03:01
partly because I needed the end result,
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ํ•œํŽธ์œผ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฌผ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:03
but even more because I just enjoyed programming.
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๋น„๋ก ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ์„ ์ฆ๊ฒจํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ํฐ ์ด์œ ์˜€์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:06
So it was about the end of the journey,
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๊ทธ๋•Œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข…์ฐฉ์ง€์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:10
which, 25 years later, we still have not reached.
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25๋…„ํ›„์ธ ์ง€๊ธˆ๋„ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:13
But it was really about the fact that I was looking for a project on my own
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €๋Š” ์ €๋งŒ์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:17
and there was no open source, really, on my radar at all.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋Š”ํ•œ ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:21
And what happened is ...
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ...
03:24
the project grows and becomes something you want to show off to people.
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ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์ปค์ง€๋ฉด์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์„ ๋งŒํผ ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์•„์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:30
Really, this is more of a, "Wow, look at what I did!"
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ์ด๊ฑด "์™€์šฐ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ ์ข€ ๋ณด์„ธ์š”"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์ •๋„์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:34
And trust me -- it was not that great back then.
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์ง„์‹ค๋กœ, ๊ทธ๋•Œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:38
I made it publicly available,
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๊ณต๊ฐœ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
03:40
and it wasn't even open source at that point.
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๊ทธ ์‹œ์ ˆ์— ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:42
At that point it was source that was open, but there was no intention
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๊ทธ ๋•Œ๋„ ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ๊ณต๊ฐœ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งž์ง€๋งŒ ์ „ํ˜€ ์˜๋„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:47
behind using the kind of open-source methodology that we think of today
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์ด์ œ์™€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด ๋ณด๋ฉด ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ๋„
03:52
to improve it.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ฒ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:53
It was more like,
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งˆ์น˜
03:54
"Look, I've been working on this for half a year,
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"๋ณด์„ธ์š”, ์ €๋Š” 1๋…„๋ฐ˜์„ ์ด ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”,
03:58
I'd love to have comments."
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ด์š”" ๋ผ๋Š” ์ •๋„์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:00
And other people approached me.
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๋น„๋กœ์†Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ œ๊ฒŒ ์ ‘๊ทผํ•ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:03
At the University of Helsinki,
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ํ—ฌ์‹ฑํ‚ค ๋Œ€ํ•™๊ต์—
04:04
I had a friend who was one of the open source --
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์นœ๊ตฌ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๋Š” ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค์— ๋Šฅํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
04:08
it was called mainly "free software" back then --
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-๊ทธ๋•Œ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ๋Œ€์ฒด๋กœ "๊ณต์งœ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.-
04:12
and he actually introduced me to the notion that, hey,
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๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ด ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
์ž๋„ค๋„ ๊ตด๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๋‹ˆ๋Š” ์ด ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค ๋ฉดํ—ˆ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋„ค ๋ผ๋ฉด์„œ์š”.
04:16
you can use these open-source licenses that had been around.
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04:24
And I thought about it for a while.
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์ €๋Š” ์ž ์‹œ ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:26
I was actually worried about the whole commercial interests coming in.
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์ˆ˜์ต์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ ๊นŒ๋ฅผ ๊ณ ๋ฏผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:29
I mean, that's one of the worries I think most people who start out have,
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์‚ฌ์—…์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ณ ๋ฏผ์ธ๋ฐ
04:34
is that they worry about somebody taking advantage of their work, right?
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์ž๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ž‘์—…ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋“์„ ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š์„๊นŒ ์šฐ๋ คํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
04:39
And I decided, "What the hell?"
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๋งˆ์นจ๋‚ด ๊ฒฐ๋ก ์„ ์ง€์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "ํ•ด๋ณด์ง€, ๋ญ?"
04:43
And --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ...
04:44
CA: And then at some point,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ, ์–ด๋Š ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์—
04:46
someone contributed some code that you thought,
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํ•ด์ฃผ์—ˆ๊ณ ,
04:48
"Wow, that really is interesting, I would not have thought of that.
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"์•ผ, ์ด๊ฑฐ ์ •๋ง ์ƒ๊ฐ์ง€๋„ ์•Š์•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋„ค.
04:51
This could actually improve this."
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์ง„์งœ๋กœ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ฌ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ตฌ๋‚˜" ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋Š๋ผ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ๊ตฐ์š”.
04:53
LT: It didn't even start by people contributing code,
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ฝ”๋”ฉํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์— ์˜ํ•ด ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:56
it was more that people started contributing ideas.
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์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ณตํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๊ณต์ด ๋” ์ปธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:59
And just the fact that somebody else takes a look at your project --
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹  ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์ง€์ผœ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ์™ธ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค๋„ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ™•์‹คํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:03
and I'm sure it's true of other things, too,
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05:05
but it's definitely true in code --
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
05:07
is that somebody else takes an interest in your code,
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๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๋ณด์ด๊ณ ,
05:10
looks at it enough to actually give you feedback
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์‹ค์งˆ์ ์ธ ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ์„ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ž์„ธํžˆ ๋“ค์—ฌ๋‹ค ๋ณด๊ณ 
05:13
and give you ideas.
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์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ค€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:15
That was a huge thing for me.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:17
I was 21 at the time, so I was young,
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๊ทธ ๋•Œ ์ €๋Š” 21์„ธ์˜€๊ณ  ์ Š์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:20
but I had already programmed for half my life, basically.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ธ์ƒ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜ ์ •๋„๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋žจ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:24
And every project before that had been completely personal
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๊ทธ ์ด์ „์˜ ๋ชจ๋“  ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋Š” ์˜จ์ „ํžˆ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
05:28
and it was a revelation when people just started commenting,
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๊ณ 
05:31
started giving feedback on your code.
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ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ์„ ์ค€ ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ๋„ ๋œป๋ฐ–์˜ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:34
And even before they started giving code back,
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ํ•ด์ฃผ๊ธฐ ์ด์ „๋„
05:38
that was, I think, one of the big moments where I said,
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์ด๋ฏธ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
05:41
"I love other people!"
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"์ „ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"๋ผ๊ณ ์š”.
05:43
Don't get me wrong --
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์˜คํ•ดํ•˜์ง„ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
05:44
I'm actually not a people person.
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์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์‚ฌ๊ต์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:46
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
05:49
I don't really love other people --
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ์„ ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
(์›ƒ์Œ)
05:52
(Laughter)
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05:53
But I love computers,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:54
I love interacting with other people on email,
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์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ผ์ข…์˜ ์™„์ถฉ์žฌ ์—ญํ• ์„ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:57
because it kind of gives you that buffer.
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06:00
But I do love other people who comment and get involved in my project.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์— ์˜๊ฒฌ์„ ๋‚ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:06
And it made it so much more.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ข€ ๋” ๋‚˜์•„์ง€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:09
CA: So was there a moment when you saw what was being built
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๋ฌด์—‡์ด ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
06:12
and it suddenly started taking off,
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๊ฐ‘์ž๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘์ด ๋˜์–ด๋„
06:14
and you thought, "Wait a sec, this actually could be something huge,
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"์ž ๊น๋งŒ, ์ด๊ฑฐ ์ง„์งœ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ๊ฑฐ์•ผ.
06:17
not just a personal project that I'm getting nice feedback on,
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ‹์ง€๊ฒŒ ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑํ•ด์ค€ ๊ฐœ์ธ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
06:20
but a kind of explosive development in the whole technology world"?
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์ „์ฒด ๊ธฐ์ˆ  ์ธก๋ฉด์—์„œ ํญ๋ฐœ์ ์ธ ๋ฐœ์ „์ด์•ผ"๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
06:25
LT: Not really.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค.
06:27
I mean, the big point for me, really, was not when it was becoming huge,
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ์ง„์งœ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์€, ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ํฌ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
06:30
it was when it was becoming little.
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์ž‘๊ฒŒ ๋  ๋•Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:33
The big point for me was not being alone
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ํ˜ผ์ž์ผ ๋•Œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
06:37
and having 10, maybe 100 people being involved --
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10๋ช…, ์•„๋‹ˆ 100๋ช…์ด ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•  ๋•Œ
06:40
that was a big point.
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๊ทธ ๋•Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:42
Then everything else was very gradual.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋ฉด, ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์„œ์„œํžˆ ์ง„ํ–‰๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:45
Going from 100 people to a million people is not a big deal -- to me.
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100๋ช…์ด 100๋งŒ ๋ช…์ด ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฒŒ๋Š” ํฐ ์ผ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:49
Well, I mean, maybe it is if you're --
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ๋Š”, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:51
(Laughter)
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06:52
If you want to sell your result then it's a huge deal --
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ž‘์—…๊ฒฐ๊ณผ๋ฅผ ํŒ๋งคํ•˜๊ธธ ์›ํ•˜๋ฉด, ๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
06:55
don't get me wrong.
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์˜คํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
06:56
But if you're interested in the technology
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ 
06:58
and you're interested in the project,
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ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
07:00
the big part was getting the community.
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์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€, ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๋ฅผ ์ด๋ฃจ๊ณ 
07:02
Then the community grew gradually.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ ์  ์„ฑ์žฅ์‹œ์ผœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:04
And there's actually not a single point where I went like,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€ํ–ฅํ–ˆ๋˜ ์ง€์ ์€ ํ•œ ๊ณณ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:08
"Wow, that just took off!" because it --
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"๋ด, ์ด์ œ ๋ง‰ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์–ด." ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•  ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:10
I mean -- it took a long time, relatively.
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์ƒ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ธ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:13
CA: So all the technologists that I talk to really credit you
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์–˜๊ธฐํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ž๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹น์‹  ๋•์—
07:16
with massively changing their work.
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์ž๊ธฐ๋“ค์˜ ์ž‘์—…์ด ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:19
And it's not just Linux,
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค๋งŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
07:21
it's this thing called Git,
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๊ธฐํŠธ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ
07:22
which is this management system for software development.
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์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์šฉ ๊ด€๋ฆฌ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:26
Tell us briefly about that and your role in that.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์—ญํ• ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋งํ•ด์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
07:30
LT: So one of the issues we had,
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น๋ฉดํ–ˆ๋˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ ์ค‘์˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”
07:32
and this took a while to start to appear,
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์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ๊ฑธ๋ ธ์ง€๋งŒ
07:35
is when you ...
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ...
07:37
When you grow from having 10 people or 100 people working on a project
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์–ด๋–ค ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์— ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด 10๋ช…, ๋˜๋Š” 100 ๋ช…์—์„œ
์–ธ์ œ 1๋งŒ๋ช…์œผ๋กœ ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚˜๋Š๋ƒ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:43
to having 10,000 people, which --
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07:45
I mean, right now we're in the situation where just on the kernel,
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์ง€๊ธˆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ปค๋„ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
07:48
we have 1,000 people involved in every single release
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๋งค๋ฒˆ ๋ฐœํ‘œ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค 1์ฒœ ๋ช…์ด ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:52
and that's every two months, roughly two or three months.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€์ถฉ 2-3๊ฐœ์›” ๊ฑธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:56
Some of those people don't do a lot.
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์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๋งŽ์ด ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:58
There's a lot of people who make small, small changes.
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์ž‘์€ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋งŽ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:01
But to maintain this,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์œ ์ง€๋ณด์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š”
08:03
the scale changes how you have to maintain it.
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๊ทœ๋ชจ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์œ ์ง€๋ณด์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ๋‹ฌ๋ผ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:06
And we went through a lot of pain.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ๋‚œ๊ด€์„ ๊ทน๋ณตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:10
And there are whole projects that do only source-code maintenance.
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ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ ์ „์ฒด๊ฐ€ ์†Œ์Šค์ฝ”๋“œ๋งŒ์„ ์œ ์ง€๋ณด์ˆ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:17
CVS is the one that used to be the most commonly used,
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด CVS ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:20
and I hated CVS with a passion and refused to touch it
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์ €๋Š” CVS๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง ์‹ซ์–ดํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งŒ์ง€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:24
and tried something else that was radical and interesting
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณค ๊ธ‰์ง„์ ์ด๊ณ  ํฅ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ,
08:27
and everybody else hated.
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๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹œ๋„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:31
CA: (Laughs)
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์•ค๋”์Šจ: (์›ƒ์Œ)
08:32
LT: And we were in this bad spot,
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜์œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:34
where we had thousands of people who wanted to participate,
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์ฐธ์—ฌ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜ ์ฒœ๋ช…์˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:37
but in many ways, I was the kind of break point,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋ฉด์—์„œ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋ถ„๊ธฐ์ ์ด ๋˜์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ
08:42
where I could not scale to the point
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๊ทธ ์ง€์ ์—์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋ชฉํ‘œ์ง€์ ์— ๋‹ฟ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ ์ฑ„
08:44
where I could work with thousands of people.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ผํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:47
So Git is my second big project,
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๊ธฐํŠธ๋Š” ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋กœ ํฐ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ์˜ˆ์š”.
08:50
which was only created for me to maintain my first big project.
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์˜ค๋กœ์ง€ ์ œ1 ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€๋ณด์ˆ˜ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ์šฉ๋„๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“  ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:55
And this is literally how I work.
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์ €๋Š” ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
08:57
I don't code for --
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
09:00
well, I do code for fun --
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์žฌ๋ฏธ๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:01
but I want to code for something meaningful
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์ €๋„ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ์˜๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:04
so every single project I've ever done has been something I needed
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊ป ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•œ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‚ด๊ฒŒ ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:08
and --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
09:09
CA: So really, both Linux and Git kind of arose
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค์™€ ๊ธฐํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋“ฑ์žฅํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€
๊ทธ์•ผ๋ง๋กœ ์˜๋„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒฐ๊ณผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:13
almost as an unintended consequence
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09:15
of your desire not to have to work with too many people.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•„๋„ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ ๋ฐ”๊ณผ๊ณผ ๋‹ฌ๋ฆฌ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:18
LT: Absolutely. Yes.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:19
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
09:20
CA: That's amazing. LT: Yeah.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ์ผ์ด์ฃ  ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ์š”.
09:22
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
09:23
And yet, you're the man who's transformed technology
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๋ณ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ผ์œผํ‚จ ์žฅ๋ณธ์ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:27
not just once but twice,
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๋‘ ๋ฒˆ์”ฉ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ง์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:28
and we have to try and understand why it is.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์™œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ์ง€๋ฅผ ์•Œ๋ ค๊ณ  ์• ๋ฅผ ์”๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:31
You've given us some clues, but ...
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹จ์„œ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๊ธด ํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ...
09:32
Here's a picture of you as a kid, with a Rubik's Cube.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๋ฃจ๋น… ํ๋ธŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์–ด๋ฆด ์  ์‚ฌ์ง„์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:37
You mentioned that you've been programming since you were like 10 or 11,
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ 10์‚ด ์ด๋‚˜ 11์‚ด ๋•Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋ฐ์„ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
09:41
half your life.
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์ธ์ƒ์˜ ์ ˆ๋ฐ˜์„ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:43
Were you this sort of computer genius, you know, รผbernerd,
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ์ฒœ์žฌ์˜€๋‚˜์š”? ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ๊ดด์งœ ๊ฐ™์€
09:46
were you the star at school who could do everything?
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๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์ด๋“  ์ฒ™์ฒ™ ํ•ด๋‚ด์„œ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์Šคํƒ€๋กœ ์•Œ๋ ค์ง„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ํ•™์ƒ์ด์š”.
09:49
What were you like as a kid?
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์–ด๋ฆด ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋• ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
09:52
LT: Yeah, I think I was the prototypical nerd.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋žฌ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ดด์งœ์˜ ์ง„์ˆ˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:54
I mean, I was ...
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์ œ ๋ง์”€์€
๊ทธ ๋•Œ๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๊ต์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
09:57
I was not a people person back then.
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09:59
That's my younger brother.
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์ € ๊ผฌ๋งˆ๊ฐ€ ์ œ ๋™์ƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:01
I was clearly more interested in the Rubik's Cube
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์ €๋Š” ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋ฃจ๋น… ํ๋ธŒ์— ๋” ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ๋งŽ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:04
than my younger brother.
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๋™์ƒ์€ ์•ˆ์ค‘์— ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:06
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
10:07
My younger sister, who's not in the picture,
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์ € ์‚ฌ์ง„์—๋Š” ์—ฌ๋™์ƒ์ด ์•ˆ ๋‚˜์™”๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
10:10
when we had family meetings --
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๊ฐ€์กฑ ํšŒ์˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋ฉด
10:12
and it's not a huge family, but I have, like, a couple of cousins --
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์‹๊ตฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์‚ฌ์ดŒ ๋ช‡ ๋ช…์ด ๋” ์žˆ๋Š” ์ •๋„์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:16
she would prep me beforehand.
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์—ฌ๋™์ƒ์ด ์ €๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์ „์— ์ค€๋น„์‹œ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:19
Like, before I stepped into the room she would say,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐฉ์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋™์ƒ์ด
10:22
"OK. That's so-and-so ..."
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"์ž, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ ์ด๋ ‡๊ณ  ์ €๋ ‡๊ณ ." ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:25
Because I was not --
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์œผ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ
์ €๋Š” ๊ดด์งœ์ด๊ณ 
10:28
I was a geek.
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10:29
I was into computers,
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์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ์— ๋น ์ ธ์žˆ๊ณ 
10:30
I was into math,
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์ˆ˜ํ•™๊ณผ
10:31
I was into physics.
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๋ฌผ๋ฆฌ์— ๋น ์ ธ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:33
I was good at that.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์— ๋Šฅ์ˆ™ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:34
I don't think I was particularly exceptional.
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ๋›ฐ์–ด๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ ๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:37
Apparently, my sister said
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์—ฌ๋™์ƒ์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ
10:39
that my biggest exceptional quality was that I would not let go.
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์ €์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํŠน์ถœ๋‚œ ์ ์€ ํฌ๊ธฐํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”.
10:47
CA: OK, so let's go there, because that's interesting.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๋„ค, ๊ทธ ์–˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค. ํฅ๋ฏธ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™๊ฑฐ๋“ ์š”.
10:50
You would not let go.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ์ง€๋‚˜์น˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:51
So that's not about being a geek and being smart,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ๊ดด์งœ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์ฒœ์žฌ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ
10:54
that's about being ... stubborn?
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๊ณ ์ง‘๋ถˆํ†ต์ด ๋˜๋Š”๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
10:57
LT: That's about being stubborn.
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10:58
That's about, like,
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋งˆ์น˜
11:01
just starting something
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๋ญ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋ง‰ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์ž ๋งˆ์ž
11:03
and not saying, "OK, I'm done, let's do something else --
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"๋๋‚ฌ์–ด, ์ด์ œ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฑฐ ํ•˜์ž
11:08
Look: shiny!"
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์ด๊ฒƒ ๋ด, ์ด๊ฑฐ ์ข‹๋„ค!"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:10
And I notice that in many other parts in my life, too.
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์ œ ์‚ถ์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:15
I lived in Silicon Valley for seven years.
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์ €๋Š” ์‹ค๋ฆฌ์ฝ˜๋ฐธ๋ฆฌ์—์„œ 7๋…„๊ฐ„ ์‚ด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:18
And I worked for the same company, in Silicon Valley,
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๊ทธ ๊ณณ์˜ ๊ฐ™์€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ์—์„œ
11:22
for the whole time.
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๊ณ„์† ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:24
That is unheard of.
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์ „๋ก€๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:27
That's not how Silicon Valley works.
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์‹ค๋ฆฌ์ฝ˜๋ฐธ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:28
The whole point of Silicon Valley is that people jump between jobs
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์‹ค๋ฆฌ์ฝ˜๋ฐธ๋ฆฌ ๋‹ค์šด ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ผ์ž๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ž์ฃผ ์ด๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:32
to kind of mix up the pot.
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๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด ๋ง‰ ์„ž์ด๋Š”๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:35
And that's not the kind of person I am.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:37
CA: But during the actual development of Linux itself,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค๋ฅผ ์‹ค์ œ ๊ฐœ๋ฐœํ•˜๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ์—๋Š”,
11:39
that stubbornness sometimes brought you in conflict with other people.
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์™„๊ณ ํ•จ์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๊ฐˆ๋“ฑ์„ ์ผ์œผํ‚ค๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:44
Talk about that a bit.
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๊ทธ ์–˜๊ธฐ ์ข€ ํ•ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
11:46
Was that essential to sort of maintain the quality of what was being built?
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๊ฐœ๋ฐœ์ค‘์ธ ๊ฒƒ์˜ ํ’ˆ์งˆ์„ ์œ ์ง€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•„์ˆ˜์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
11:51
How would you describe what happened?
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์–ด๋–ค ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
11:54
LT: I don't know if it's essential.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•„์ˆ˜์ ์ธ์ง€๋Š” ์ž˜ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:57
Going back to the "I'm not a people person," --
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"์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๊ต์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค"๋ผ๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๋ฉด
12:00
sometimes I'm also ...
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์–ด๋–ค ๋•Œ๋Š” ์ €๋„
12:04
shall we say,
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”,
12:05
"myopic" when it comes to other people's feelings,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๋Š๋‚Œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด "๊ทผ์‹œ์•ˆ์ "์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•˜๊ณ 
12:09
and that sometimes makes you say things that hurt other people.
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์–ด๋–ค ๋•Œ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ƒ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:14
And I'm not proud of that.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:18
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
12:19
But, at the same time, it's --
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋™์‹œ์—
12:22
I get people who tell me that I should be nice.
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ์นœ์ ˆํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:26
And then when I try to explain to them that maybe you're nice,
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๊ทธ๋•Œ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์ข‹์€ ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๋ฉด
12:32
maybe you should be more aggressive,
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์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์€ ์ข€๋” ๊ณต๊ฒฉ์ ์ด ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€๋„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:34
they see that as me being not nice.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋Š” ์ €๋ฅผ ์ข‹์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ• ํ…Œ๋‹ˆ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:38
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
12:40
What I'm trying to say is we are different.
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์ œ ๋ง์”€์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:42
I'm not a people person;
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์ €๋Š” ์‚ฌ๊ต์ ์ด์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:44
it's not something I'm particularly proud of,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํŠน๋ณ„ํžˆ ์ž๋ž‘์Šค๋Ÿฌ์›Œํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š” ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ด์ง€๋งŒ
12:46
but it's part of me.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ์ €์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:48
And one of the things I really like about open source
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋Š”
12:50
is it really allows different people to work together.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์–ด์šธ๋ ค์„œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ค€๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:56
We don't have to like each other --
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์„œ๋กœ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•  ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:58
and sometimes we really don't like each other.
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์„œ๋กœ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๋•Œ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:00
Really -- I mean, there are very, very heated arguments.
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์ด ๊ณผ์—ด๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:04
But you can, actually, you can find things that --
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
๋ฐ˜๋Œ€๋ฅผ ์ธ์ •ํ•˜์ง€๋Š” ๋ชป ํ•˜๋”๋ผ๋„
13:08
you don't even agree to disagree,
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13:10
it's just that you're interested in really different things.
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๋‹ค๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ด€์‹ฌ์€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:13
And coming back to the point where I said earlier
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๋จผ์ € ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ ธ๋˜ ์š”์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ
13:16
that I was afraid of commercial people taking advantage of your work,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์˜ ์ž‘์—…์œผ๋กœ ์ƒ์—…์ ์ธ ์ด์ต์„ ์ฑ™๊ธฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ ค๋˜๋Š”๋ฐ
13:20
it turned out, and very quickly turned out,
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์•Œ๊ณ ๋ณด๋ฉด, ๊ธˆ๋ฐฉ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:23
that those commercial people were lovely, lovely people.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:26
And they did all the things that I was not at all interested in doing,
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด์•ผ๋ง๋กœ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ด€์‹ฌ๋งŒ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ „ํ˜€ ํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์„ ํ•œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:30
and they had completely different goals.
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๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ชฉํ‘œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:32
And they used open source in ways that I just did not want to go.
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์œผ๋กœ ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:37
But because it was open source they could do it,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋“  ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
13:39
and it actually works really beautifully together.
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๊ณต๋™์ž‘์—…์ด ๋ฉ‹์ง€๊ฒŒ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง€๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:42
And I actually think it works the same way.
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์ผ์€ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰๋œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:44
You need to have the people-people, the communicators,
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์‚ฌ๊ต์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†Œํ†ตํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:47
the warm and friendly people
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๋”ฐ๋œปํ•˜๊ณ  ์นœ์ ˆํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ
13:49
who like --
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13:50
(Laughter)
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์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ƒ ํ•˜๋ฉด...
(์›ƒ์Œ)
13:52
really want to hug you and get you into the community.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์„ ์•ˆ์•„์ฃผ๊ณ , ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๋กœ ์ด๋Œ์–ด ์ฃผ๋ ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:55
But that's not everybody.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:56
And that's not me.
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์ €๋„ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:58
I care about the technology.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์— ์‹ ๊ฒฝ์„ ์”๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:59
There are people who care about the UI.
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UI์— ์‹ ๊ฒฝ์“ฐ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:01
I can't do UI to save my life.
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์ €๋Š” ์ฃฝ์–ด๋„ UI๋ฅผ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:04
I mean, if I was stranded on an island
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋งŒ์•ฝ์— ์„ฌ์— ๋ฐœ์ด ๋ฌถ์˜€๋Š”๋ฐ
14:07
and the only way to get off that island was the make a pretty UI,
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๋น ์ ธ ๋‚˜๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ์œ ์ผํ•œ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด ๋ฉ‹์ง„ UI๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋ฉด
14:11
I'd die there.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ์„œ ์ฃฝ์„ ๊ฑฐ๋ผ๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:12
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
14:13
So there's different kinds of people,
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๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:15
and I'm not making excuses, I'm trying to explain.
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ํ•‘๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋Œ€๋Š” ๊ฒŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์„ค๋ช…์„ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:18
CA: Now, when we talked last week,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ง€๋‚œ ์ฃผ์—
14:20
you talked about some other trait that you have,
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๋ณธ์ธ์ด ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ช‡๊ฐ€์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํŠน์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ•œ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ์š”.
14:22
which I found really interesting.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:24
It's this idea called taste.
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ์ทจํ–ฅ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:25
And I've just got a couple of images here.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด๋ฏธ์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋– ์˜ค๋ฅด๋Š”๋ฐ์š”, ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ...
14:28
I think this is an example of not particularly good taste in code,
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์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ ์ฝ”๋”ฉํ•  ๋•Œ ๋ณดํ†ต ์ทจํ–ฅ๊ณผ
14:32
and this one is better taste,
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๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ทจํ–ฅ์˜ ์˜ˆ์‹œ๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ณด์—ฌ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:35
which one can immediately see.
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๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋‚˜ ์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์•Œ์•„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:37
What is the difference between these two?
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์ด ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€์˜ ์ฐจ์ด๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:40
LT: So this is --
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”...
14:41
How many people here actually have coded?
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์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ์ง์ ‘ ํ•ด ๋ณธ์‹  ๋ถ„ ์žˆ์œผ์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:45
CA: Oh my goodness.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์„ธ์ƒ์—.
14:47
LT: So I guarantee you,
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žฅ๋‹ดํ•˜๊ฑด๋Œ€
14:48
everybody who raised their hand,
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์†์„ ๋“œ์‹  ๋ถ„๋“ค์€
14:49
they have done what's called a singly-linked list.
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์†Œ์œ„ ๋‹จ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜์‹ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:52
And it's taught --
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ์šด ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
14:55
This, the first not very good taste approach,
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์ฒซ๋ฒˆ ์งธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ข‹์€ ์ทจํ–ฅ์˜ ์ ‘๊ทผ๋ฒ•์€ ์•„๋‹Œ๋ฐ
14:58
is basically how it's taught to be done when you start out coding.
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์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•  ๋•Œ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ์›๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:02
And you don't have to understand the code.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์ด ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์„ ์•Œ ํ•„์š”๋Š” ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:04
The most interesting part to me
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์ œ๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์€
15:06
is the last if statement.
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๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ if ๋ฌธ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:10
Because what happens in a singly-linked list --
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๋‹จ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ๋ฐœ์ƒํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
15:13
this is trying to remove an existing entry from a list --
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ํ˜„ํ–‰ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฆฌ์ŠคํŠธ์—์„œ ์‚ญ์ œํ•˜๋ ค ํ•˜๊ณ 
15:16
and there's a difference between if it's the first entry
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์ฒซ๋ฒˆ ์งธ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์ธ์ง€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์ธ์ง€์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ
15:20
or whether it's an entry in the middle.
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์ฐจ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:22
Because if it's the first entry,
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์ด๋ฉด
15:24
you have to change the pointer to the first entry.
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ํฌ์ธํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
15:27
If it's in the middle,
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์ค‘๊ฐ„ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์ด๋ฉด
15:28
you have to change the pointer of a previous entry.
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์ด์ „ ์—”ํŠธ๋ฆฌ์˜ ํฌ์ธํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๊ฟ”์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:31
So they're two completely different cases.
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์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๋Š” ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:33
CA: And that's better.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ €๊ฒŒ ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:34
LT: And this is better.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ด๊ฒŒ ๋” ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:35
It does not have the if statement.
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if๋ฌธ์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:38
And it doesn't really matter --
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:40
I don't want you understand why it doesn't have the if statement,
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๋“ค์ด ์™œ if๋ฌธ์ด ์—†๋Š๋ƒ๋ฅผ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋ณด๋‹ค
15:44
but I want you to understand
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€
15:45
that sometimes you can see a problem in a different way
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๋•Œ๋•Œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์—์„œ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ฅผ ์•Œ์•„๋‚ด๊ณ 
15:48
and rewrite it so that a special case goes away
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•จ์œผ๋กœ์จ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ์—†์–ด์ง€๊ณ 
15:51
and becomes the normal case.
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์ •์ƒ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:53
And that's good code.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฉด ์ข‹์€ ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ฐ„๋‹จํ•œ ์ฝ”๋“œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:55
But this is simple code.
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15:56
This is CS 101.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ CS 101 ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:58
This is not important -- although, details are important.
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์„ธ๋ถ€์‚ฌํ•ญ์ด ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๊ธด ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง„ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:01
To me, the sign of people I really want to work with
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ค€์€
16:05
is that they have good taste, which is how ...
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์ข‹์€ ์ทจํ•ญ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š๋ƒ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:09
I sent you this stupid example
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์ด ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋Š” ์ข€ ๋ฐ”๋ณด๊ฐ™์ฃ .
16:10
that is not relevant because it's too small.
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ž‘์•„์„œ ์ ์ ˆํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:13
Good taste is much bigger than this.
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์ข‹์€ ์ทจํ–ฅ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๊ฒƒ ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ํ›จ์”ฌ ํฐ๋ฐ์„œ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:15
Good taste is about really seeing the big patterns
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์ •๋ง๋กœ ๋Œ€๊ทœ๋ชจ ํŒจํ„ด์„ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:19
and kind of instinctively knowing what's the right way to do things.
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์ผ์ข…์˜ ๋ณธ๋Šฅ์ ์ธ ๊ฐ๊ฐ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜ณ์€์ง€๋ฅผ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:24
CA: OK, so we're putting the pieces together here now.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์ •๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ํ•ด๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
16:27
You have taste,
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ทจํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์ฃ .
์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜๋ฏธ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์ทจํ–ฅ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:30
in a way that's meaningful to software people.
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16:32
You're --
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์ €๊ธฐ..
16:33
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
16:35
LT: I think it was meaningful to some people here.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์—ฌ๊ธฐ ๊ณ„์‹  ์–ด๋–ค ๋ถ„๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋žฌ๊ฒ ์ฃ .
16:39
CA: You're a very smart computer coder,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋˜‘๋˜‘ํ•œ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ํ”„๋กœ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋จธ์ด๊ณ 
16:42
and you're hellish stubborn.
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์ง€๋…ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๊ณ ์ง‘์ด ์…‰๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:45
But there must be something else.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ญ”๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:47
I mean, you've changed the future.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜๋ฅผ ๋ณ€ํ™”์‹œ์ผฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:48
You must have the ability of these grand visions of the future.
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์ด์™€๊ฐ™์ด ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜ ๋น„์ „์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Œ์ด ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:51
You're a visionary, right?
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์˜ˆ์ง€๋ ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
16:53
LT: I've actually felt slightly uncomfortable at TED
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์‚ฌ์‹ค TED์— ์‚ด์ง ๋ถˆํŽธํ•จ์„ ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
16:55
for the last two days,
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์ง€๋‚œ ์ดํ‹€ ๋™์•ˆ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:57
because there's a lot of vision going on, right?
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์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ๋น„์ „๋“ค์ด ๋…ผ์˜๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:00
And I am not a visionary.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์„ ์ง€์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:02
I do not have a five-year plan.
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5๋…„ ๊ฐ„์˜ ๊ณ„ํš๋„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:04
I'm an engineer.
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์ €๋Š” ์—”์ง€๋‹ˆ์–ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:05
And I think it's really --
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์ €๋Š”
17:07
I mean -- I'm perfectly happy with all the people
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฌด์ฒ™ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:09
who are walking around and just staring at the clouds
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๊ฐ™์ด ๊ฑท๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋ƒฅ ๊ตฌ๋ฆ„์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ณด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
17:12
and looking at the stars and saying, "I want to go there."
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๋ณ„์„ ๋ณด๋ฉด์„œ "์ €๊ธฐ ๊ฐ€๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:15
But I'm looking at the ground,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๋•…์„ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:16
and I want to fix the pothole that's right in front of me
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ๋Š” ์ œ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์•ž์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์›…๋ฉ์ด๋ฅผ ๋ฉ”์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:19
before I fall in.
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๋น ์ง€์ง€ ์•Š๊ฒŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:20
This is the kind of person I am.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:22
(Cheers)
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(ํ™˜ํ˜ธ)
17:23
(Applause)
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
17:25
CA: So you spoke to me last week about these two guys.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ง€๋‚œ ์ฃผ์— ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์ด ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–˜๊ธฐํ–ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:29
Who are they and how do you relate to them?
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์–ด๋–ค ์‚ฌ์ด์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
17:32
LT: Well, so this is kind of clichรฉ in technology,
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์ด๊ฑด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ง„๋ถ€ํ•œ ์–˜๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:35
the whole Tesla versus Edison,
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ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ ๋Œ€ ์—๋””์Šจ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋‚˜ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”,
17:37
where Tesla is seen as the visionary scientist and crazy idea man.
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์„ ๊ฒฌ์ง€๋ช…์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณผํ•™์ž์ด๊ณ , ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋งจ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
17:42
And people love Tesla.
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:45
I mean, there are people who name their companies after him.
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๊ทธ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ๋”ฐ์„œ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋ช…์„ ์ง“๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
17:48
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
17:51
The other person there is Edison,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ ์—๋””์Šจ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
์ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ํ‰๋ฒ”ํ•˜๋‹ค๋Š” ์ด์œ ๋กœ ์ž์ฃผ ๋น„๋‚œ ๋ฐ›๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:54
who is actually often vilified for being kind of pedestrian
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17:57
and is --
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
17:59
I mean, his most famous quote is,
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์ œ์ผ ์ž˜ ์ธ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ๊ทธ์˜ ๋ช…์–ธ์ด
18:02
"Genius is one percent inspiration and 99 percent perspiration."
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"์ฒœ์žฌ๋Š” 1%์˜ ์˜๊ฐ๊ณผ, 99%์˜ ๋…ธ๋ ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋ฃจ์–ด์ง„๋‹ค."์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:07
And I'm in the Edison camp,
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์ €๋„ ์—๋””์Šจ ํŽธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
18:08
even if people don't always like him.
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๋น„๋ก ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:11
Because if you actually compare the two,
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๋‘˜์„ ๋น„๊ตํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด
ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ๋Š” ์ตœ๊ทผ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์˜ ๋งˆ์Œ์„ ์‚ฌ๋กœ์žก๊ณ ๋Š” ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
18:14
Tesla has kind of this mind grab these days,
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18:18
but who actually changed the world?
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์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์„ธ์ƒ์„ ๋ณ€ํ™”์‹œํ‚จ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
18:21
Edison may not have been a nice person,
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์—๋””์Šจ์€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ ์ข‹์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ
18:25
he did a lot of things --
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๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:28
he was maybe not so intellectual,
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์ง€์‹์ด ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„
18:30
not so visionary.
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์„ ๊ฒฌ์ง€๋ช…์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:33
But I think I'm more of an Edison than a Tesla.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ…Œ์Šฌ๋ผ๋ณด๋‹ค๋Š” ์—๋””์Šจ ์ชฝ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:37
CA: So our theme at TED this week is dreams --
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์ด๋ฒˆ ์ฃผ TED์˜ ์ฃผ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฟˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:40
big, bold, audacious dreams.
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๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•˜๊ณ , ์šฉ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ , ๋Œ€๋‹ดํ•œ ๊ฟˆ.
18:41
You're really the antidote to that.
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด์•ผ๋ง๋กœ ์ด ์ฃผ์ œ์˜ ์ข…๊ฒฐ์ž์‹œ๊ตฐ์š”.
18:43
LT: I'm trying to dial it down a bit, yes.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์˜ˆ, ์กฐ๊ธˆ์”ฉ ์ž์ œํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ๋…ธ๋ ฅ ์ค‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:45
CA: That's good.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:46
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
18:47
We embrace you, we embrace you.
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์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ดœ์ฐฎ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ตฌ๊ธ€๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋งŽ์€ ํšŒ์‚ฌ๋“ค์€ ํ‹€๋ฆผ์—†์ด
18:51
Companies like Google and many others have made, arguably,
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18:53
like, billions of dollars out of your software.
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๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์†Œํ”„ํŠธ์›จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•ด์„œ ์ˆ˜์‹ญ์–ต ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ฅผ ๋ฒŒ์–ด๋“ค์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:56
Does that piss you off?
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์—ด๋ฐ›์ง€ ์•Š๋‚˜์š”?
18:57
LT: No.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:58
No, it doesn't piss me off for several reasons.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ๋ฐ๋Š” ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด์œ ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:01
And one of them is, I'm doing fine.
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š”, ์ €๋Š” ์ž˜ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:03
I'm really doing fine.
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์ •๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:04
But the other reason is --
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด์œ ๋Š”
19:06
I mean, without doing the whole open source and really letting go thing,
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์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ด์šฉํ•ด์„œ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์œผ๋ฉด
19:11
Linux would never have been what it is.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค๋Š” ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ๊ฐ™์ด ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:14
And it's brought experiences I don't really enjoy, public talking,
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๋ ค๋ณด์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜, ๊ณต๊ฐœ์ ์ธ ๋Œ€ํ™”๋ฅผ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:19
but at the same time, this is an experience.
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์ด๊ฒƒ ๋˜ํ•œ ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:21
Trust me.
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์ •๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:23
So there's a lot of things going on that make me a very happy man
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋ฅผ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ผ๋“ค์ด ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:28
and thinking I did the right choices.
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๊ทธ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์„ ํƒ์„ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ๋Š” ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:30
CA: Is the open source idea --
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋Š”
19:32
this is, I think we'll end here --
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”, ์ด์ œ ๋งˆ์ณ์•ผ ํ•  ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ธ๋ฐ...
19:34
is the open source idea fully realized now in the world,
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์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋Š” ์„ธ์ƒ์— ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ์‹คํ˜„๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
19:38
or is there more that it could go,
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์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ์•„์ง ๊ฐ€์•ผ ํ•  ๊ธธ์ด ๋‚จ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
19:41
are there more things that it could do?
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์ ์šฉ๋˜์–ด์•ผ ํ•  ๊ณณ์ด ์•„์ง ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
19:44
LT: So, I'm of two minds there.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ๋‘ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ๋‹ค ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:46
I think one reason open source works so well in code
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์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์ฝ”๋”ฉ์ž‘์—…์— ์ž˜ ํ™œ์šฉ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ณด๋Š” ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์ด์œ ๋Š”
19:51
is that at the end of the day,
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๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์—๋Š”
19:53
code tends to be somewhat black and white.
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์ฝ”๋”ฉ์€ ์–ด๋Š์ •๋„ ํ‘๋ฐฑ๋…ผ๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋”ฐ๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:57
There's often a fairly good way to decide,
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์–ด๋–ค ๋•Œ๋Š” ํŒ๋‹จํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:01
this is done correctly and this is not done well.
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์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž˜๋๊ณ , ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž˜ ์•ˆ ๋๋‹ค.
20:05
Code either works or it doesn't,
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์ฝ”๋”ฉ์€ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š๋ƒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ƒ์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค,
20:07
which means that there's less room for arguments.
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๋…ผ์Ÿํ•  ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์ ๋‹ค๋Š” ์–˜๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:12
And we have arguments despite this, right?
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๊ทธ๋Ÿผ์—๋„ ๋…ผ์Ÿ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ
20:16
In many other areas --
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20:17
I mean, people have talked about open politics and things like that --
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ณต๊ฐœ๋œ ์ •์น˜ ์‚ฌ์•ˆ ๋“ฑ์„ ํ† ๋ก ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ...
20:21
and it's really hard sometimes to say
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๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ๋™์˜ํ•˜๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ฐธ ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:24
that, yes, you can apply the same principles in some other areas
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๋™์ผํ•œ ์›์น™์„ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—๋„ ์ ์šฉํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:28
just because the black and white turns into not just gray,
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ํ‘๊ณผ ๋ฐฑ์ด ๋‹จ์ง€ ํšŒ์ƒ‰์œผ๋กœ๋งŒ ๋˜์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:33
but different colors.
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒ‰์ƒ์œผ๋กœ ๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:36
So, obviously open source in science is making a comeback.
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ, ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ๊ณผํ•™ ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ€์„ธ๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:40
Science was there first.
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์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๋Š” ๊ณผํ•™์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:42
But then science ended up being pretty closed,
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์šฐ ํ์‡„์ ์ด ๋˜๊ธฐ์— ์ด๋ฅด๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:45
with very expensive journals and some of that going on.
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๋ฌด์ฒ™ ๊ฐ’๋น„์‹ผ ์ €๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:48
And open source is making a comeback in science,
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๊ณผํ•™๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์˜คํ”ˆ์†Œ์Šค๊ฐ€ ๋‹ค์‹œ ์žฌ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:52
with things like arXiv and open journals.
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์•„์นด์ด๋ธŒ๋‚˜ ์˜คํ”ˆ์ €๋„๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ๋•๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์œ„ํ‚คํ”ผ๋””์•„๋„ ๋ณ€ํ™”์— ๊ธฐ์—ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:59
Wikipedia changed the world, too.
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21:01
So there are other examples,
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๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์‚ฌ๋ก€๋“ค๋„ ๋ฏพ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:02
I'm sure there are more to come.
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ๋“ค๋„ ๋‚˜ํƒ€๋‚ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:05
CA: But you're not a visionary,
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค ์•ค๋”์Šจ: ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์„ ์ง€์ž๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ณ 
21:07
and so it's not up to you to name them.
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์ƒˆ๋กœ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹  ๋ชซ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ.
21:09
LT: No.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šค ํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ: ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:10
(Laughter)
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(์›ƒ์Œ)
21:11
It's up to you guys to make them, right?
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ฌ๋ ค์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
21:13
CA: Exactly.
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ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šค์•ค๋”์Šจ: ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:14
Linus Torvalds,
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21:15
thank you for Linux, thank you for the Internet,
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ…์Šค์— ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ , ์ธํ„ฐ๋„ท์— ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์•ˆ๋“œ๋กœ์ด๋“œํฐ์—๋„ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:18
thank you for all those Android phones.
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์˜ค๋Š˜ TED์— ์˜ค์…”์„œ ์ž์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
21:20
Thank you for coming here to TED and revealing so much of yourself.
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๋ฆฌ๋ˆ„์Šคํ† ๋ฐœ์ฆˆ : ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:23
LT: Thank you.
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(๋ฐ•์ˆ˜)
21:24
(Applause)
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์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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