Martin Villeneuve: How I made an impossible film

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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Prevodilac: Jelena Jaranović Lektor: Mile Živković
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I made a film that was impossible to make,
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Napravio sam film koji je bilo nemoguće napraviti,
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but I didn't know it was impossible,
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ali pošto ja nisam znao da je to nemoguće
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and that's how I was able to do it.
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ipak sam uspeo.
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"Mars et Avril" is a science fiction film.
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"Mars i Avril" je naučno-fantastični film.
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It's set in Montreal some 50 years in the future.
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Smešten je u Montreal, nekih 50 godina u budućnosti.
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No one had done that kind of movie in Quebec before
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Niko ranije nije napravio ovakav film u Kvebeku
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because it's expensive, it's set in the future,
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jer je skup, smešten u budućnost,
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and it's got tons of visual effects,
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ima gomilu vizuelnih efekata
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and it's shot on green screen.
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i sniman je na zelenoj podlozi.
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Yet this is the kind of movie that I wanted to make
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Ipak, želeo sam da napravim takav film
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ever since I was a kid, really,
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još otkad sam bio dete, zaista,
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back when I was reading some comic books
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dok sam čitao stripove i maštao o tome
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and dreaming about what the future might be.
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kakva bi budućnost mogla da bude.
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When American producers see my film,
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Kada američki producenti vide moj film,
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they think that I had a big budget to do it,
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misle da sam imao veliki budžet za njega,
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like 23 million.
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poput 23 miliona.
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But in fact I had 10 percent of that budget.
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U stvari sam imao 10% tog budžeta.
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I did "Mars et Avril" for only 2.3 million.
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Napravio sam "Mars i Avril" sa 2,3 miliona.
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So you might wonder, what's the deal here?
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Možda se pitate u čemu je stvar?
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How did I do this?
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Kako sam uspeo?
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Well, it's two things. First, it's time.
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Dve stvari su u pitanju. Prva je vreme.
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When you don't have money, you must take time,
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Kada nemate novac, morate uložiti vreme.
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and it took me seven years to do "Mars et Avril."
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Trebalo mi je 7 godina da snimim film.
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The second aspect is love.
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Drugi aspekt je ljubav. Svi sa kojima sam radio
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I got tons and tons of generosity from everyone involved.
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bili su više nego predusretljivi.
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And it seems like every department had nothing,
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Izgledalo je kao da nemamo ništa
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so they had to rely on our creativity
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i da moramo da se oslonimo na našu kreativnost
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and turn every problem into an opportunity.
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i pretvorimo svaki problem u priliku.
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And that brings me to the point of my talk, actually,
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I ovo me dovodi do suštine mog govora:
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how constraints, big creative constraints, can boost creativity.
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kako ograničenja mogu pospešiti kreativnost.
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But let me go back in time a bit.
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Ali, dozvolite da se vratim malo unazad.
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In my early 20s, I did some graphic novels,
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U mojim ranim 20-im radio sam neke ilustrovane romane
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but they weren't your usual graphic novels.
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ali to nisu bili uobičajeni ilustrovani romani.
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They were books telling a science fiction story
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To su bile knjige koje pričaju naučno-fantastičnu priču
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through images and text,
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kroz slike i tekst
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and most of the actors who are now starring
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i mnogi glumci koji danas glume
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in the movie adaptation, they were already involved
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u filmskim adaptacijama tih romana, već su bili uključeni
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in these books portraying characters
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u portretizaciju likova u ovim knjigama
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into a sort of experimental, theatrical, simplistic way.
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na eksperimentalan, teatralni, pojednostavljen način.
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And one of these actors is the great stage director
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Jedan od tih glumaca je veliki reditelj
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and actor Robert Lepage.
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i glumac - Robert Lepaž.
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And I just love this guy.
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Ja jednostavno volim ovog čoveka.
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I've been in love with this guy since I was a kid.
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Obožavam ga otkad sam bio dete.
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His career I admire a lot.
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Divim se njegovoj karijeri.
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And I wanted this guy to be involved in my crazy project,
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I želeo sam da on bude uključen u moj suludi projekat
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and he was kind enough to lend his image
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i on je bio dovoljno ljubazan da pozajmi svoj izgled
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to the character of Eugène Spaak,
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liku Uženu Spaku, koji je
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who is a cosmologist and artist who seeks relation
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kosmolog i umetnik koji traži vezu između
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in between time, space, love, music and women.
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vremena, prostora, ljubavi, muzike i žena.
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And he was a perfect fit for the part,
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On se savršeno uklapao u tu ulogu.
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and Robert is actually the one who gave me my first chance.
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Robert je, zapravo, prvi koji mi je pružio šansu.
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He was the one who believed in me
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On je verovao u mene i ohrabrio me
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and encouraged me to do an adaptation of my books
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da svoje knjige adaptiram u film,
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into a film, and to write, direct,
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da napišem scenario, režiram
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and produce the film myself.
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i produciram film sam.
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And Robert is actually the very first example
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Robert je zapravo prvi primer
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of how constraints can boost creativity.
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kako ograničenja mogu pospešiti kreativnost.
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Because this guy is the busiest man on the planet.
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Jer on je najzauzetiji čovek na planeti.
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I mean, his agenda is booked until 2042,
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Hoću reći, ima ugovorene poslove do 2042.
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and he's really hard to get,
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i zaista je teško doći do njega,
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and I wanted him to be in the movie,
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a ja sam želeo da bude u mom filmu
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to reprise his role in the movie.
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da ponovi svoju ulogu.
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But the thing is, had I waited
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Ali stvar je u tome da ako bih ga čekao do 2042.
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for him until 2042, my film wouldn't be
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moj film više ne bi bio futuristički
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a futuristic film anymore, so I just couldn't do that. Right?
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pa nisam mogao to da uradim, zar ne?
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But that's kind of a big problem.
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Ali to je prilično veliki problem.
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How do you get somebody who is too busy
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Kako učiniti da neko ko je toliko zauzet
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to star in a movie?
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glumi i u filmu?
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Well, I said as a joke in a production meeting --
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Pa, rekao sam kroz šalu na produkcijskom sastanku,
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and this is a true story, by the way —
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i, usput, ovo je istinita priča,
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I said, "Why don't we turn this guy into a hologram?
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rekao sam: "Zašto ne pretvorimo ovog lika u hologram?
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Because, you know, he is everywhere
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Jer, znate, on je svugde i nigde
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and nowhere on the planet at the same time,
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na planeti u isto vreme.
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and he's an illuminated being in my mind,
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U mojim mislima on je prosvetljeno biće
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and he's in between reality and virtual reality,
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između stvarnosti i virtualne realnosti,
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so it would make perfect sense
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tako da bi imalo tako mnogo smisla
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to turn this guy into a hologram."
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pretvoriti ga u hologram."
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Everybody around the table laughed,
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Svi za stolom su se nasmejali,
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but the joke was kind of a good solution,
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ali šala je bila moguće dobro rešenje
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so that's what we ended up doing.
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i to je upravo ono što smo na kraju uradili.
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Here's how we did it. We shot Robert with six cameras.
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Evo i kako. Snimili smo Roberta sa 6 kamera.
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He was dressed in green and he was like
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Bio je obučen u zeleno i kao da je
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in a green aquarium.
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bio u zelenom akvarijumu.
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Each camera was covering 60 degrees of his head,
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Svaka kamera je pokrivala 60 stepeni njegove glave,
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so that in post-production we could use
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tako da smo u post-produkciji mogli da koristimo
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pretty much any angle we needed,
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gotovo svaki ugao koji nam je trebao,
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and we shot only his head.
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a snimali smo samo njegovu glavu.
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Six months later there was a guy on set,
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Šest mesci kasnije snimali smo čoveka,
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a mime portraying the body,
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mimičara koji je predstavljao telo
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the vehicle for the head.
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- prevozno sredstvo za glavu.
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And he was wearing a green hood
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On je nosio zelenu kapuljaču
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so that we could erase the green hood in postproduction
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koju smo mogli da uklonimo u post-produkciji
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and replace it with Robert Lepage's head.
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i zamenimo je Robertovom glavom.
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So he became like a renaissance man,
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Izgledao je kao čovek iz doba renesanse,
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and here's what it looks like in the movie.
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a evo kako je izgledao u filmu.
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(Music)
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(Muzika)
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(Video) Robert Lepage: [As usual, Arthur's drawing
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(Video) Robert Lepaž: [Kao i obično, Arturovi crteži
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didn't account for the technical challenges.
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se nisu pozabavili tehničkim izazovima.
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I welded the breech, but the valve is still gaping.
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Zavario sam zatvarač ali ventil i dalje ne naleže.
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I tried to lift the pallets to lower the pressure in the sound box,
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Pokušao sam da podignem palete kako bih smanjio pritisak
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but I might have hit a heartstring.
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u zvučnoj kutiji ali sam možda zakačio zvučnu nit.
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It still sounds too low.]
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I dalje zvuči previše tiho.]
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Jacques Languirand: [That's normal.
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Žak Langirand: [To je u redu.
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The instrument always ends up resembling its model.]
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Instrument uvek na kraju oponaša svoj model.]
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(Music)
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(Muzika)
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Martin Villeneuve: Now these musical instruments
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Martin Vilnev: Ovi muzički instrumenti
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that you see in this excerpt,
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koje ste videli u odlomku
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they're my second example of how
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predstavljaju drugi primer
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constraints can boost creativity,
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kako ograničenja mogu poboljšati kreativnost,
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because I desperately needed these objects in my movie.
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jer su mi očajno bili potrebni ovi predmeti u filmu.
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They are objects of desire.
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Oni su predmet želje.
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They are imaginary musical instruments.
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Oni su zamišljeni muzički instrumenti
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And they carry a nice story with them.
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koji sa sobom nose lepu priču.
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Actually, I knew what these things would look like
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Zapravo, znao sam kako će oni izgledati,
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in my mind for many, many years.
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u mojoj glavi, već mnogo, mnogo godina.
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But my problem was, I didn't have the money
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Ali, problem je bio što nisam imao novca
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to pay for them. I couldn't afford them.
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da ih platim. Nisam mogao da ih priuštim.
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So that's kind of a big problem too.
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A to je takođe veliki problem.
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How do you get something that you can't afford?
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Kako dobiti nešto što ne možeš da priuštiš?
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And, you know, I woke up one morning with a pretty good idea.
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Ali, jednog jutra sam se probudio sa jako dobrom idejom.
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I said, "What if I have somebody else pay for them?"
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Rekao sam: "Šta ako ih neko drugi plati?"
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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But who on Earth would be interested
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Ali koga bi uopšte interesovalo
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by seven not-yet-built musical instruments
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sedam još nenapravljenih muzičkih instrumenata
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inspired by women's bodies?
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inspirisanih ženskim telima?
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And I thought of Cirque du Soleil in Montreal,
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Na pamet mi je pao Sirk de Solei u Montrealu,
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because who better to understand the kind of
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jer ko bi drugi bolje razumeo tu vrstu
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crazy poetry that I wanted to put on screen?
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sulude poezije koju sam želeo na ekranu?
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So I found my way to Guy Laliberté, Cirque du Soleil's CEO,
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Dakle, kontaktirao sam menadžera Sirka, Gija Lalibertija
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and I presented my crazy idea to him
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i predstavio mu svoju ludu ideju
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with sketches like this and visual references,
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sa ovakvim skicama i očiglednim prilozima
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and something pretty amazing happened.
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i nešto prilično neverovatno se dogodilo.
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Guy was interested by this idea
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Gi je bio zainteresovan za moju ideju
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not because I was asking for his money,
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ne zato što sam od njega tražio novac,
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but because I came to him with a good idea
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već zato što sam došao kod njega sa dobrom idejom
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in which everybody was happy.
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i svi su bili srećni.
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It was kind of a perfect triangle
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Bio je to savršen trougao
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in which the art buyer was happy
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u kome je kupac bio srećan
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because he got the instruments at a cheaper price,
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jer dobija instrumente jeftino
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because they weren't even made.
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zato što još nisu napravljeni.
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He took a leap of faith.
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Pokazao je malo vere.
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And the artist, Dominique Engel, brilliant guy,
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Umetnik, Dominik Engel, izuzetan lik,
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he was happy too because he had a dream project
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bio je srećan jer je dobio projekat iz snova
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to work on for a year.
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na kome će raditi godinu dana.
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And obviously I was happy because I got the instruments
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I, očigledno, ja sam bio srećan jer sam dobio instrumente
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in my film for free, which was kind of what I tried to do.
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besplatno, što sam, otprilike, i pokušavao da uradim.
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So here they are.
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I, evo ih.
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And my last example of how constraints
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Moj posldenji primer kako ograničenja
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can boost creativity
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mogu da podstaknu kreativnost
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comes from the green,
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u vezi je sa zelenom bojom.
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because this is a weird color, a crazy color,
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Ovo je čudna, luda boja
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and you need to replace the green screens eventually
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i morate zameniti zelene ekrane u nekom trenutku
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and you must figure that out sooner rather than later.
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i bolje da to shvatite ranije nego kasnije.
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And I had, again, pretty much, ideas in my mind
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Ja sam u svojoj glavi imao ideju
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as to what the world would be,
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kako bi svet trebalo da izgleda
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but then again I turned to my childhood imagination
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ali onda sam se ponovo vratio svojim dečačkim maštanjima
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and went to the work of Belgian comic book master
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i okrenuo se radu belgijskog strip majstora
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François Schuiten in Belgium.
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Fransoa Shejtena.
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And this guy is another guy I admire a lot,
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Ovo je još jedan čovek kome se divim
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and I wanted him to be involved in the movie
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i želeo sam da bude uključen u film
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as a production designer.
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kao scenograf.
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But people told me, you know, Martin, it's impossible,
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Ali ostali su mi rekli: "Znaš, Martine, to je nemoguće.
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the guy is too busy and he will say no.
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Čovek je prezauzet i odbiće te."
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Well, I said, you know what, instead of mimicking his style,
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Dobro, rekao sam, umesto što bih oponašao njegov stil,
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I might as well call the real guy and ask him,
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mogao bih da ga pozovem i pitam.
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and I sent him my books,
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Poslao sam mu svoje knjige
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and he answered that he was interested
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i odgovorio je da je zainteresovan
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in working on the film with me
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da radi na filmu sa mnom
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because he could be a big fish in a small aquarium.
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jer može da bude velika riba u maloj bari.
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In other words, there was space for him to dream with me.
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Drugačije rečeno, bilo je prostora za njega da sanja sa mnom.
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So here I was with one of my childhood heroes,
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I eto me sa jednim od mojih junaka iz detinjstva,
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drawing every single frame that's in the film
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crtali smo svaki pojedinačni kadar iz filma
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to turn that into Montreal in the future.
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kako bismo to pretvorili u Montreal iz budućnosti.
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And it was an amazing collaboration
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Bilo je odlično sarađivati
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to work with this great artist whom I admire.
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sa izuzetnim umetnikom kojem sam se divio.
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But then, you know, eventually you have to turn
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Ali, na kraju, morate da pretvorite
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all these drawings into reality.
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sve te crteže u stvarnost.
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So, again, my solution was to aim
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I, ponovo, želeo sam
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for the best possible artist that I could think of.
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najboljeg mogućeg umetnika koji bi mi pao na pamet.
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And there's this guy in Montreal, another Quebecois
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Pomislio sam na još jednog lika iz Montreala,
09:17
called Carlos Monzon, and he's a very good VFX artist.
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Karlosa Monzona koji je jako dobar sa vizuelnim efektima.
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This guy had been lead compositor on such films
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On je bio glavni montažer u filmovima kao što su
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as "Avatar" and "Star Trek" and "Transformers,"
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"Avatar", "Zvezdane staze" , "Transformersi"
09:28
and other unknown projects like this,
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i još nekim manje poznatim projektima,
09:30
and I knew he was the perfect fit for the job,
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tako da sam znao da je on savršen za ovaj posao.
09:33
and I had to convince him,
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Morao sam da ga ubedim da umesto
09:34
and, instead of working on the next Spielberg movie,
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da radi na sledećem Spilbergovom filmu
09:38
he accepted to work on mine.
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prihvati da radi na mom.
09:40
Why? Because I offered him a space to dream.
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Zašto? Zato što sam mu ponudio prostor da sanja.
09:44
So if you don't have money to offer to people,
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Dakle, ako nemate da ponudite novac ljudima,
09:47
you must strike their imagination with something
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morate da zagolicate njihovu maštu sa nečim
09:50
as nice as you can think of.
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neverovatno dobrim.
09:53
So this is what happened on this movie,
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To se događalo sa ovim filmom
09:55
and that's how it got made,
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i tako je snimljen,
09:57
and we went to this very nice postproduction company
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otišli smo u jako dobru postprodukcijsku kuću,
10:00
in Montreal called Vision Globale,
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Vision Global u Montrealu,
10:02
and they lent their 60 artists to work full time
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i oni su nam dali 60 umetnika koji su radili na filmu
10:06
for six months to do this crazy film.
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puno radno vreme, tokom 6 meseci.
10:09
So I want to tell you that, if you have some crazy ideas
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Želim da vam kažem da ako imate neke lude ideje
10:14
in your mind, and that people tell you
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u svojoj glavi, a svi vam govore
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that it's impossible to make,
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da je nemoguće ostvariti ih,
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well, that's an even better reason to want to do it,
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pa, to je razlog više da želite da ih ostvarite.
10:20
because people have a tendency
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Ljudi imaju sklonost da se fokusiraju
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to see the problems rather than the final result,
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na probleme pre nego na konačan rezultat.
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whereas if you start to deal with problems
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Ali ako počnete da posmatrate probleme
10:28
as being your allies rather than your opponents,
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kao svoje saveznike, a ne protivnike,
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life will start to dance with you
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život će postati mnogo zabavniji
10:33
in the most amazing way.
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na najčudesniji način.
10:35
I have experienced it.
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Iskusio sam to.
10:37
And you might end up doing some crazy projects,
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A možda ćete i vi početi da radite neke nemoguće projekte
10:40
and who knows, you might even end up
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i, ko zna, možda ćete čak
10:43
going to Mars.
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završiti na Marsu.
10:45
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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