Sarah Kaminsky: My father the forger

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Translator: federica bonaldi Reviewer: Thomas VANDENBOGAERDE
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I am the daughter of a forger,
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Sem hčerka ponarejevalca.
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not just any forger ...
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Ne kateregakoli ponarejevalca:
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When you hear the word "forger," you often understand "mercenary."
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ko slišimo "ponarejevalec", pogosto razumemo "plačanec",
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You understand "forged currency," "forged pictures."
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slišimo "ponarejen denar", "ponarejene slike".
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My father is no such man.
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Moj oče ne spada med te ljudi.
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For 30 years of his life,
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30 let svojega življenja
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he made false papers --
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je ponarejal osebne dokumente.
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never for himself, always for other people,
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Nikoli zase, vedno za druge,
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and to come to the aid of the persecuted and the oppressed.
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da bi pomagal preganjanim in zatiranim.
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Let me introduce him.
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Dovolite, da vam ga predstavim.
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Here is my father at age 19.
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Tu je moj oče star 19 let.
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It all began for him during World War II,
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Vse se je pravzaprav začelo med 2. svetovno vojno.
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when at age 17 he found himself thrust
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Pri 17-ih se je znašel
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into a forged documents workshop.
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v delavnici za ponarejanje dokumentov.
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He quickly became the false papers expert of the Resistance.
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Kmalu je postal strokovnjak Odpora za ponarejanje dokumentov.
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And it's not a banal story --
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A zgodba ni vsakdanja,
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after the liberation he continued
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saj je po osvoboditvi nadaljeval
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to make false papers until the '70s.
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s ponarejanjem dokumentov, vse do 70. let.
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When I was a child
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Ko sem bila majhna,
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I knew nothing about this, of course.
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nisem o tem, seveda, nič vedela.
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This is me in the middle making faces.
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Tista v sredini, ki se pači, sem jaz.
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I grew up in the Paris suburbs
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Odrastla sem v predmestju Pariza
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and I was the youngest of three children.
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kot najmlajša izmed treh otrok.
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I had a "normal" dad like everybody else,
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Imela sem "normalnega" očija, tako kot drugi,
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apart from the fact that he was 30 years older than ...
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razen dejstva, da je bil 30 let starejši od ...
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well, he was basically old enough to be my grandfather.
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no, lahko bi bil moj dedek.
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Anyway, he was a photographer and a street educator,
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Bil je fotograf, bil je specialni pedagog,
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and he always taught us to obey the law very strictly.
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in vedno nas je učil, naj ubogamo zakone.
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And, of course, he never talked about his past life
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O svojem nekdanjem življenju ponarejevalca
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when he was a forger.
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ni, seveda, nikoli govoril.
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There was, however, an incident I'm going to tell you about,
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Opisala bom dogodek, zaradi katerega
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that perhaps could have led me suspect something.
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bi morda lahko kaj posumila.
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I was in high school and got a bad grade,
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V srednji šoli sem dobila slabo oceno,
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a rare event for me,
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kar se je redko zgodilo.
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so I decided to hide it from my parents.
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Odločila sem se, da je ne pokažem staršem.
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In order to do that, I set out to forge their signature.
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Zato sem morala ponarediti njun podpis.
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I started working on my mother's signature,
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Lotila sem se maminega podpisa,
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because my father's is absolutely impossible to forge.
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saj je bilo očetov nemogoče ponarediti.
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So, I got working. I took some sheets of paper
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Vzela sem torej papir, na katerem
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and started practicing, practicing, practicing,
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sem vadila, vadila in vadila,
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until I reached what I thought was a steady hand,
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dokler se mi roka ni umirila.
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and went into action.
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Nato sem šla v akcijo.
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Later, while checking my school bag,
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Ko je mama kasneje v moji šolski torbi našla kontrolko,
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my mother got hold of my school assignment and immediately saw that the signature was forged.
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je takoj videla, da je podpis ponarejen.
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She yelled at me like she never had before.
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Vpila je name kot še nikoli.
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I went to hide in my bedroom, under the blankets,
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Skrila sem se pod odejo v svoji sobi
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and then I waited for my father to come back from work
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in z velikim strahom čakala,
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with, one could say, much apprehension.
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da se oče vrne iz službe.
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I heard him come in.
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Slišala sem ga priti,
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I remained under the blankets. He entered my room,
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ostala sem pod odejo, oče je vstopil v sobo
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sat on the corner of the bed,
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in sedel na rob postelje.
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and he was silent, so I pulled the blanket from my head,
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Ker ni spregovoril, sem pokukala izpod odeje,
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and when he saw me he started laughing.
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on pa se je začel krohotati
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He was laughing so hard, he could not stop and he was holding my assignment in his hand.
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in kar ni mogel nehati. V roki je imel kontrolko.
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Then he said, "But really, Sarah, you could have worked harder! Can't you see it's really too small?"
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Dejal je: "Sarah, bolj bi se morala potruditi, podpis je premajhen!"
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Indeed, it's rather small.
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Res je malce majhen.
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I was born in Algeria.
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Rojena sem v Alžiriji.
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There I would hear people say my father was a "moudjahid"
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Tam sem slišala, da očetu pravijo "mudžahid",
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and that means "fighter."
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kar pomeni bojevnik.
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Later on, in France, I loved eavesdropping on grownups' conversations,
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Kasneje - v Franciji - sem rada prisluškovala pogovorom odraslih
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and I would hear all sorts of stories about my father's previous life,
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in slišala marsikaj o očetovem nekdanjem življenju.
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especially that he had "done" World War II,
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Predvsem sem slišala, da je "bil" v 2. svetovni vojni,
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that he had "done" the Algerian war.
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da je "bil" v vojni v Alžiriji.
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And in my head I would be thinking that "doing" a war meant being a soldier.
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Predstavljala sem si, da "biti" v vojni, pomeni biti vojak.
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But knowing my father, and how he kept saying that he was a pacifist and non-violent,
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A oče je nenehno govoril, da je pristaš miru in proti nasilju,
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I found it very hard to picture him with a helmet and gun.
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zato sem si ga vseeno težko predstavljala s čelado in z orožjem.
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And indeed, I was very far from the mark.
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In res sem bila daleč od resnice.
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One day, while my father was working on a file
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Nekega dne, ko je oče pripravljal naše dokumente
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for us to obtain French nationality,
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za pridobitev francoskega državljanstva,
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I happened to see some documents
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sem videla dokumente,
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that caught my attention.
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ki so pritegnili mojo pozornost.
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These are real!
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Ti so resnični!
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These are mine, I was born an Argentinean.
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Ti so moji. Rojena sem v Argentini.
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But the document I happened to see
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A dokument, ki sem ga videla
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that would help us build a case for the authorities
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in ki nam je pomagal pridobiti državljanstvo,
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was a document from the army
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je izdala vojska
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that thanked my father for his work
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v zahvalo očetu za njegovo delo,
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on behalf of the secret services.
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ki ga je opravil za tajno službo.
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And then, suddenly, I went "wow!"
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Takrat sem pomislila: "Vau!
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My father, a secret agent?
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Moj oče - tajni agent?"
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It was very James Bond.
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Zvenelo je kot James Bond ...
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I wanted to ask him questions, which he didn't answer.
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Postavila sem mu veliko vprašanj, na katera ni odgovoril.
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And later, I told myself that
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Kasneje sem si dejala,
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one day I would have to question him.
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da ga bo nekega dne vseeno treba izprašati.
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And then I became a mother and had a son,
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Bila sem že mama majhnega fantka,
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and finally decided it was time -- that he absolutely had to talk to us.
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ko sem si dejala, da je skrajni čas, da oče spregovori.
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I had become a mother
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Ravno sem postala mama -
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and he was celebrating his 77th birthday,
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oče je praznoval svoj 77. rojstni dan -
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and suddenly I was very, very afraid.
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in nenadoma me je postalo strah.
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I feared he'd go
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Bilo me je strah, da bo odšel
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and take his silences with him,
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in s seboj odnesel svoj molk,
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and take his secrets with him.
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da bo odnesel svoje skrivnosti.
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I managed to convince him that it was important for us,
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Uspelo mi ga je prepričati, da je pomembno za nas
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but possibly also for other people
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in morda tudi za druge,
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that he shared his story.
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da deli z nami svojo zgodbo.
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He decided to tell it to me
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Odločil se je, da mi jo pove,
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and I made a book,
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jaz pa sem napisala knjigo,
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from which I'm going to read you some excerpts later.
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iz katere bom kasneje prebrala nekaj odlomkov.
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So, his story. My father was born in Argentina.
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Njegova zgodba, torej. Moj oče je rojen v Argentini.
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His parents were of Russian descent.
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Njegovi starši imajo ruske korenine.
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The whole family came to settle in France in the '30s.
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Cela družina se je v 30. letih naselila v Franciji.
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His parents were Jewish, Russian and above all, very poor.
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Njegovi starši so bili Judje, Rusi, predvsem pa zelo revni.
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So at the age of 14 my father had to work.
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Zato je moral oče že pri štirinajstih delati.
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And with his only diploma,
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S svojo edino diplomo,
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his primary education certificate,
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z osnovnošolskim spričevalom,
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he found himself working at a dyer - dry cleaner.
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je našel delo v izdelovalnici barvil.
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That's where he discovered something totally magical,
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Tam je odkril nekaj zanj čarobnega -
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and when he talks about it, it's fascinating --
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ko o tem govori, vas uroči -
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it's the magic of dyeing chemistry.
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odkril je čudež kemije barv.
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During that time the war was happening
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Takrat je divjala vojna in
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and his mother was killed when he was 15.
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njegova mama je bila ubita, ko mu je bilo 15 let.
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This coincided with the time when
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Ta dva dogodka sta sovpadla,
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he threw himself body and soul into chemistry
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zato se je z dušo in telesom predal kemiji,
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because it was the only consolation for his sadness.
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v kateri je našel edino uteho za žalost.
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All day he would ask many questions to his boss
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Podnevi je postavljal šefu vprašanja,
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to learn, to accumulate more and more knowledge,
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ker se je želel učiti in si pridobiti več znanja,
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and at night, when no one was looking,
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ponoči, ko ga nihče ni videl,
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he'd put his experience to practice.
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je svoje izkušnje preveril v praksi,
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He was mostly interested in ink bleaching.
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predvsem ga je zanimalo razbarvanje črnil.
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All this to tell you
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Z vsem tem vam želim povedati,
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that if my father became a forger, actually,
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da je oče v resnici postal ponarejevalec
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it was almost by accident.
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čisto po naključju.
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His family was Jewish, so they were hounded.
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Bili so Judje in zato preganjani.
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Finally they were all arrested and taken to the Drancy camp
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Cela družina je bila aretirana in odpeljana v taborišče Drancy.
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and they managed to get out at the last minute thanks to their Argentinean papers.
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Uspelo se jim je rešiti, zahvaljujoč argentinskim dokumentom.
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Well, they were out,
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Bili so zunaj,
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but they were always in danger. The big "Jew" stamp was still on their papers.
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a še vedno v nevarnosti zaradi pečata "Jud" v dokumentih.
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It was my grandfather who decided they needed false documents.
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Dedek se je odločil, da potrebujejo ponarejene dokumente.
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My father had been instilled with such respect for the law
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Oče je zelo spoštoval zakone
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that although he was being persecuted,
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in čeprav je bil preganjan,
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he'd never thought of false papers.
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ni nikoli pomislil na ponarejene dokumente.
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But it was he who went to meet a man from the Resistance.
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Sestal se je s predstavnikom Odpora.
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In those times documents had hard covers,
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V tistem času so imeli dokumenti trde platnice,
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they were filled in by hand,
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podatki so bili vnešeni ročno,
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and they stated your job.
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med drugim je bil vpisan tudi poklic.
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In order to survive, he needed
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Da bi preživel, je moral delati.
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to be working. He asked the man
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Prosil je tistega moškega,
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to write "dyer."
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naj navede poklic "barvar".
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Suddenly the man looked very, very interested.
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Nenadoma je moški zainteresirano vprašal:
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As a "dyer," do you know how to bleach ink marks?
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"Barvar? Znaš odstraniti sledi črnila?"
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Of course he knew.
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Seveda je znal.
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And suddenly the man started explaining that
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Moški mu je takoj razložil,
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actually the whole Resistance had a huge problem:
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da imajo v Odporu veliko težavo:
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even the top experts
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noben strokovnjak, tudi najbolj izkušen,
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could not manage to bleach an ink, called "indelible,"
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ni znal izbrisati črnila Waterman modre barve,
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the "Waterman" blue ink.
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t.i. neizbrisnega črnila.
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And my father immediately replied that he knew exactly
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Oče je odrezavo odvrnil, da natančno ve,
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how to bleach it.
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kako ga izbrisati.
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Now, of course, the man was very impressed with this young man of 17
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Seveda je 17-letni fantič, ki je odrezavo navedel rešitev,
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who could immediately give him the formula, so he recruited him.
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naredil ogromen vtis na moškega in bil takoj rekrutiran.
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And actually, without knowing it, my father had invented something
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Oče je nevede izumil nekaj,
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we can find in every schoolchild's pencil case:
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kar imajo danes vsi učenci v peresnicah -
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the so-called "correction pen."
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brisalec tinte.
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(Applause)
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(Aplavz)
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But it was only the beginning.
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A to je bil le začetek.
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That's my father.
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To je moj oče.
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As soon as he got to the lab,
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Ko je prišel v delavnico,
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even though he was the youngest,
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je kljub svoji mladosti
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he immediately saw that there was a problem with the making of forged documents.
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takoj opazil, da je z izdelavo dokumentov nekaj narobe.
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All the movements stopped at falsifying.
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Vsi so se zadovoljili s ponarejanjem.
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But demand was ever-growing
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A povpraševanje je rastlo,
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and it was difficult to tamper with existing documents.
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bilo je težko spreminjati obstoječe dokumente.
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He told himself it was necessary to make them from scratch.
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Odločil se je, da morajo izdelati nove.
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He started a press. He started photoengraving.
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Začel je tiskati, izdelal je grafične matrice.
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He started making rubber stamps.
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Začel je izdelovati štampiljke.
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He started inventing all kind of things --
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Izumil je marsikaj,
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with some materials he invented a centrifuge using a bicycle wheel.
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izumil je centrifugo, kot material pa je uporabil obroč kolesa.
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Anyway, he had to do all this
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Vse to je moral narediti,
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because he was completely obsessed with output.
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ker je bil obseden z rezultatom.
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He had made a simple calculation:
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Naredil je enostaven izračun:
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In one hour he could make 30 forged documents.
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v eni uri lahko ponaredi 30 dokumentov.
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If he slept one hour, 30 people would die.
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Če bo spal eno uro, bo umrlo 30 ljudi.
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This sense of
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Imel je občutek odgovornosti za življenja drugih,
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responsibility for other people's lives when he was just 17 --
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čeprav mu je bilo komaj 17 let.
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and also his guilt for being a survivor,
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Počutil se je krivega, ker je preživel,
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since he had escaped the camp when his friends had not --
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ker je ušel taborišču, medtem ko prijatelji niso;
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stayed with him all his life.
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ta občutek ga je spremljal vse življenje.
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And this is maybe what explains why, for 30 years,
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Zato je verjetno naslednjih 30 let
08:07
he continued to make false papers
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nadaljeval s ponarejanjem dokumentov,
08:10
at the expense of all kinds of sacrifices.
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ne glede na vse, kar je moral žrtvovati.
08:12
I'd like to talk about those sacrifices,
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Rada bi povedala, kaj vse je žrtvoval,
08:13
because there were many.
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kajti žrtvoval je veliko.
08:15
There were obviously financial sacrifices
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Žrtvoval se je finančno,
08:17
because he always refused to be paid.
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saj je vedno zavrnil plačilo.
08:19
To him, being paid would have meant being a mercenary.
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Če bi ga sprejel, bi bil po njegovem mnenju plačanec.
08:22
If he had accepted payment,
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Če bi sprejel plačilo,
08:24
he wouldn't be able to say "yes" or "no"
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ne bi mogel zavrniti zadeve,
08:25
depending on what he deemed a just or unjust cause.
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če se mu ne bi zdela pravična.
08:28
So he was a photographer by day,
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30 let je bil
08:30
and a forger by night for 30 years.
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podnevi fotograf, ponoči ponarejevalec,
08:31
He was broke all of the time.
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ves čas pa brez prebite pare.
08:33
Then there were the emotional sacrifices:
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Potem so tu še čustvene žrtve:
08:36
How can one live with a woman while having so many secrets?
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kako živeti z žensko in imeti pred njo skrivnosti?
08:39
How can one explain what one does at night in the lab, every single night?
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Kako ji razložiti, kaj vse noči počne v delavnici?
08:43
Of course, there was another kind of sacrifice
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Žrtvoval je še nekaj: družino,
08:47
involving his family that I understood much later.
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kar sem izvedela kasneje.
08:50
One day my father introduced me to my sister.
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Nekega dne mi je oče predstavil sestro.
08:53
He also explained to me that I had a brother, too,
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Razložil mi je, da imam tudi brata.
08:57
and the first time I saw them I must have been three or four,
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Prvič sem ju videla, ko mi je bilo 3, 4 leta,
09:03
and they were 30 years older than me.
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onadva pa sta bila 30 let starejša.
09:05
They are both in their sixties now.
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Danes sta oba šestdesetletnika.
09:11
In order to write the book,
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Za potrebe knjige sem sestri postavila nekaj vprašanj.
09:13
I asked my sister questions. I wanted to know who my father was,
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Želela sem vedeti, kdo je bil moj oče,
09:17
who was the father she had known.
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kdo je bil oče, ki ga je ona poznala.
09:18
She explained that the father that she'd had
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Dejala mi je, da jima je oče govoril,
09:22
would tell them he'd come and pick them up on Sunday to go for a walk.
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da bo vsako nedeljo prišel in ju peljal na sprehod.
09:27
They would get all dressed up and wait for him,
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Lepo sta se oblekla in ga čakala,
09:29
but he would almost never come.
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a skoraj nikoli ni prišel.
09:31
He'd say, "I'll call." He wouldn't call.
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Dejal je, da bo poklical. Ni poklical.
09:34
And then he would not come.
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Ni prišel.
09:36
Then one day he totally disappeared.
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Nekega dne pa je enostavno izginil.
09:40
Time passed,
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Čas je mineval.
09:41
and they thought he had surely forgotten them,
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V začetku sta si govorila,
09:44
at first.
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da ju je gotovo pozabil.
09:46
Then as time passed,
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Čas je mineval še naprej.
09:47
at the end of almost two years, they thought,
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Dve leti kasneje sta si rekla:
09:49
"Well, perhaps our father has died."
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"Oče je verjetno umrl."
09:52
And then I understood
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Takrat sem dojela,
09:55
that asking my father so many questions
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da sem s svojimi vprašanji obudila preteklost,
09:58
was stirring up a whole past he probably didn't feel like talking about
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o kateri oče morda ni želel govoriti,
10:00
because it was painful.
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ker je preveč bolelo.
10:02
And while my half brother and sister thought they'd been abandoned,
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Medtem ko sta moja polsestra in polbrat mislila, da ju je zapustil,
10:07
orphaned,
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celo da sta siroti,
10:08
my father was making false papers.
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je oče ponarejal dokumente.
10:11
And if he did not tell them, it was of course to protect them.
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Povedal pa jima ni, ker ju je želel obvarovati.
10:14
After the liberation he made false papers
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Po osvoboditvi je izdeloval dokumente
10:16
to allow the survivors of concentration camps to immigrate to Palestine
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za preživele taboriščnike, ki so se želeli izseliti v Palestino,
10:19
before the creation of Israel.
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preden je bil ustanovljen Izrael.
10:21
And then, as he was a staunch anti-colonialist,
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Ker je bil zagrizen antikolonialist,
10:23
he made false papers for Algerians during the Algerian war.
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je ponarejal dokumente za Alžirce med alžirsko vojno.
10:27
After the Algerian war,
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Po alžirski vojni
10:29
at the heart of the international resistance movements,
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je med mednarodnimi osvobodilnimi gibanji
10:32
his name circulated
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krožilo njegovo ime.
10:34
and the whole world came knocking at his door.
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Vsi so prišli trkat na njegova vrata.
10:36
In Africa there were countries fighting for their independence:
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V Afriki se je veliko držav borilo za neodvisnost:
10:39
Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Angola.
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Gvineja, Gvineja Bissau, Angola.
10:42
And then my father connected with Nelson Mandela's anti-apartheid party.
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Oče se je povezal s stranko Nelsona Mandele, ki se je borila proti apartheidu.
10:47
He made false papers for persecuted black South Africans.
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Ponarejal je dokumente za preganjane črnce Južne Afrike.
10:50
There was also Latin America.
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Potem je bila tu Latinska Amerika.
10:52
My father helped those who resisted dictatorships
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Oče je pomagal upornikom, ki so se borili proti diktaturam
10:55
in the Dominican Republic, Haiti,
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v Dominikanski Republiki, na Haitiju,
10:57
and then it was the turn of Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, El Salvador, Nicaragua,
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v Braziliji, Argentini, Venezueli, Salvadorju, Nikaragvi,
11:03
Colombia, Peru, Uruguay, Chile and Mexico.
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Kolumbiji, Peruju, Urugvaju, Čilu in Mehiki.
11:09
Then there was the Vietnam War.
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Potem je bila vojna v Vietnamu.
11:10
My father made false papers for the American deserters
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Oče je ponarejal dokumente za ameriške dezerterje,
11:13
who did not wish to take up arms against the Vietnamese.
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ki niso želeli dvigniti orožja proti Vietnamcem.
11:16
Europe was not spared either.
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Tudi Evropi ni bilo prizanešeno.
11:18
My father made false papers for the dissidents
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Ponarejal je dokumente za upornike,
11:20
against Franco in Spain, Salazar in Portugal,
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ki so se borili proti Francu v Španiji, proti Salazarju na Portugalskem
11:24
against the colonels' dictatorship in Greece,
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in proti vojaški diktaturi v Grčiji.
11:29
and even in France.
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V Franciji
11:30
There, just once, it happened in May of 1968.
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je ponaredil dokumente samo enkrat, maja 1968.
11:34
My father watched, benevolently, of course,
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Oče je z naklonjenostjo spremljal
11:36
the demonstrations of the month of May,
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majske demonstracije,
11:39
but his heart was elsewhere, and so was his time
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a njegovo srce in čas sta bila drugje,
11:41
because he had over 15 countries to serve.
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kajti delal je za 15 držav.
11:45
Once, though, he agreed to make false papers
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Vendarle je privolil, da bo ponaredil dokumente
11:47
for someone you might recognize.
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za nekoga, ki ga boste morda prepoznali.
11:49
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
11:52
He was much younger in those days,
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Takrat je bil veliko mlajši.
11:54
and my father agreed to make false papers
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Oče je privolil, da mu ponaredi dokumente,
11:56
to enable him to come back and speak at a meeting.
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s katerimi bi lahko prišel govorit na miting.
11:59
He told me that those false papers were the most media-relevant
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Povedal mi je, da so bili ti dokumenti medijsko najbolj odmevni
12:04
and the least useful he'd had to make in all his life.
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in najmanj koristni, kar jih je naredil v življenju.
12:07
But, he agreed to do it,
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Ni privolil zato,
12:09
even though Daniel Cohn-Bendit's life was not in danger,
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ker bi bilo življenje Daniela Cohna-Bendita v nevarnosti,
12:12
just because
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temveč zato,
12:14
it was a good opportunity
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ker je bila to lepa priložnost,
12:16
to mock the authorities,
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da se ponorčuje iz oblasti.
12:18
and to show them that there's nothing more porous than borders --
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Hotel jim je pokazati, da ni nič bolj prepustno kot meje,
12:21
and that ideas have no borders.
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in da jih ideje nimajo.
12:26
All my childhood,
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V otroštvu so očetje mojim prijateljicam
12:28
while my friends' dads would tell them Grimm's fairy tales,
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pripovedovali Grimmove pravljice,
12:32
my father would tell me stories about very unassuming heroes
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moj pa meni zgodbe o skrivnostnih junakih,
12:36
with unshakeable utopias
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ki so neomajno verjeli v utopije
12:39
who managed to make miracles.
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in vse čudežno razrešili.
12:42
And those heroes did not need an army behind them.
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Ti junaki niso potrebovali armade,
12:46
Anyhow, nobody would have followed them,
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nihče jim ni sledil,
12:48
except for a handful [of] men and women of conviction and courage.
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razen peščice prepričanih in pogumnih mož in žena.
12:51
I understood much later
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Kasneje sem spoznala,
12:53
that actually it was his own story my father would tell me to get me to sleep.
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da mi je pred spanjem pripovedoval svojo zgodbo.
12:56
I asked him whether, considering the sacrifices he had to make,
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Vprašala sem ga, ali zaradi vsega, kar je žrtvoval,
12:59
he ever had any regrets.
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kdaj obžaluje svojo odločitev.
13:01
He said no.
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Rekel je, da ne.
13:03
He told me that he would have been unable
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Da ne bi mogel le gledati
13:05
to witness or submit to injustice without doing anything.
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in trpeti nepravičnosti, ne da bi kaj storil.
13:08
He was persuaded, and he's still convinced
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Bil je prepričan - in še vedno je -
13:11
that another world is possible --
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da je možen drugačen svet,
13:13
a world where no one would ever need a forger.
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svet, v katerem nihče ne bo potreboval ponarejevalca.
13:16
He's still dreaming about it.
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Še vedno sanja o njem.
13:18
My father
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Moj oče
13:20
is here in the room today.
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je danes z nami.
13:21
His name is Adolfo Kaminsky and I'm going to ask him to stand up.
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Ime mu je Adolfo Kaminsky. Prosim ga, naj vstane.
13:25
(Applause)
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(Aplavz)
13:46
Thank you.
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