Sarah Kaminsky: My father the forger

Translator: federica bonaldi Reviewer: Thomas VANDENBOGAERDE

Prevoditelj: Zlatko Smetisko Recezent: Katarina Smetko

I am the daughter of a forger,

Kći sam krivotvoritelja.

not just any forger ...

I to ne bilo kakvog krivotvoritelja.

When you hear the word "forger," you often understand "mercenary."

Kad čujete riječ „krivotvoritelj“, pod njom često podrazumijevate „plaćenik“.

You understand "forged currency," "forged pictures."

Podrazumijevate „krivotvoreni novac“, „krivotvorene slike“.

My father is no such man.

Moj otac nije takav čovjek.

For 30 years of his life,

Trideset godina svoga života

he made false papers --

krivotvorio je dokumente.

never for himself, always for other people,

Nikad za sebe, uvijek za druge,

and to come to the aid of the persecuted and the oppressed.

kako bi pomogao progonjenima i ugnjetavanima.

Let me introduce him.

Da vam ga predstavim.

Here is my father at age 19.

Ovo je moj otac kad je imao devetnaest godina.

It all began for him during World War II,

Za njega je sve počelo tijekom Drugog svjetskog rata,

when at age 17 he found himself thrust

kad se sa sedamnaest godina iznenada našao

into a forged documents workshop.

u radionici krivotvorenih dokumenata.

He quickly became the false papers expert of the Resistance.

Ubrzo je postao stručnjak za falsificiranje dokumenata Francuskog pokreta otpora.

And it's not a banal story --

Ovo nije banalna priča --

after the liberation he continued

nastavio je falsificirati dokumente

to make false papers until the '70s.

i nakon oslobođenja, sve do 70-ih godina.

When I was a child

Naravno, dok sam bila dijete

I knew nothing about this, of course.

ništa nisam znala o tome.

This is me in the middle making faces.

Ono sam ja u sredini, pravim grimase.

I grew up in the Paris suburbs

Odrasla sam u predgrađu Pariza

and I was the youngest of three children.

kao najmlađe od troje djece.

I had a "normal" dad like everybody else,

Imala sam „normalnog“ oca kao i svi drugi,

apart from the fact that he was 30 years older than ...

izuzmemo li činjenicu da je bio 30 godina stariji od...

well, he was basically old enough to be my grandfather.

u biti, bio je dovoljno star da mi bude djed.

Anyway, he was a photographer and a street educator,

Uglavnom, bio je fotograf i pedagog koji je radio s djecom beskućnicima,

and he always taught us to obey the law very strictly.

i uvijek nas je učio da se strogo pridržavamo zakona.

And, of course, he never talked about his past life

I naravno da nikad nije pričao o svojem prijašnjem životu

when he was a forger.

u kojem je bio krivotvoritelj.

There was, however, an incident I'm going to tell you about,

Međutim, zbio se jedan događaj o kojem ću vam pričati,

that perhaps could have led me suspect something.

a koji je mi je možda trebao staviti bubu u uho.

I was in high school and got a bad grade,

Bila sam u srednjoj školi i dobila sam lošu ocjenu,

a rare event for me,

što mi se rijetko događalo,

so I decided to hide it from my parents.

pa sam odlučila to prešutjeti roditeljima.

In order to do that, I set out to forge their signature.

Kako bih to i postigla, odlučila sam lažirati njihove potpise.

I started working on my mother's signature,

Počela sam kopirati majčin potpis

because my father's is absolutely impossible to forge.

jer je očev potpuno nemoguće lažirati.

So, I got working. I took some sheets of paper

Bacila sam se na posao. Uzela sam nekoliko listova papira

and started practicing, practicing, practicing,

i vježbala sam, vježbala i vježbala

until I reached what I thought was a steady hand,

sve dok nisam postigla ispravne pokrete ruke,

and went into action.

a zatim sam krenula u akciju.

Later, while checking my school bag,

Nešto kasnije, kad je pregledavala moju školsku torbu,

my mother got hold of my school assignment and immediately saw that the signature was forged.

mama je pronašla školsku zadaću i odmah je primijetila krivotvoreni potpis.

She yelled at me like she never had before.

Vikala je na mene kao nikad prije.

I went to hide in my bedroom, under the blankets,

Sakrila sam se u sobu, ispod pokrivača,

and then I waited for my father to come back from work

a kasnije sam čekala da se otac vrati s posla,

with, one could say, much apprehension.

moglo bi se reći, s mnogo strepnje.

I heard him come in.

Čula sam ga kad je došao.

I remained under the blankets. He entered my room,

Ostala sam ispod pokrivača. Ušao je u sobu

sat on the corner of the bed,

i sjeo na rub kreveta.

and he was silent, so I pulled the blanket from my head,

Nije ništa govorio pa sam provirila ispod pokrivača,

and when he saw me he started laughing.

a kad me ugledao počeo se smijati.

He was laughing so hard, he could not stop and he was holding my assignment in his hand.

Toliko se jako smijao da se nije mogao zaustaviti, a u ruci je držao moju zadaću.

Then he said, "But really, Sarah, you could have worked harder! Can't you see it's really too small?"

Zatim je rekao „Stvarno Sarah, mogla si se više potruditi! Zar ne vidiš da je potpis premalen?“

Indeed, it's rather small.

Stvarno je bio malen.

I was born in Algeria.

Rođena sam u Alžiru.

There I would hear people say my father was a "moudjahid"

Ondje bih čula ljude kako govore da je moj otac „mudžahedin“,

and that means "fighter."

što znači „borac“.

Later on, in France, I loved eavesdropping on grownups' conversations,

Kasnije, u Francuskoj, voljela sam prisluškivati razgovore odraslih

and I would hear all sorts of stories about my father's previous life,

te bih čula razne priče o očevom prijašnjem životu,

especially that he had "done" World War II,

osobito da je „sudjelovao“ u Drugom svjetskom ratu

that he had "done" the Algerian war.

i da je „sudjelovao“ u Alžirskom ratu za nezavisnost.

And in my head I would be thinking that "doing" a war meant being a soldier.

U svojoj sam glavi mislila kako „sudjelovati“ u ratu znači biti vojnik.

But knowing my father, and how he kept saying that he was a pacifist and non-violent,

Poznavajući oca i kako je neprestano govorio da je pacifist i protiv nasilja,

I found it very hard to picture him with a helmet and gun.

teško sam ga mogla zamisliti sa šljemom i puškom.

And indeed, I was very far from the mark.

I stvarno sam bila daleko od istine.

One day, while my father was working on a file

Jednog dana, kad je otac radio na jednom spisu

for us to obtain French nationality,

za stjecanje francuskog državljanstva.

I happened to see some documents

vidjela sam neke dokumente

that caught my attention.

koji su mi zapeli za oko.

These are real!

Ovi su pravi!

These are mine, I was born an Argentinean.

Ovo su moji dokumenti, rođena sam Argentinka.

But the document I happened to see

Dokument koji sam slučajno vidjela,

that would help us build a case for the authorities

a koji nam je pomogao izgraditi slučaj pred vladom,

was a document from the army

bio je dokument od vojske

that thanked my father for his work

u kojem zahvaljuju mom ocu za njegov posao

on behalf of the secret services.

koji je obavio za tajnu službu.

And then, suddenly, I went "wow!"

Odjednom sam rekla sama sebi: „vau“!

My father, a secret agent?

Moj je otac tajni agent?!

It was very James Bond.

Bio je poput Jamesa Bonda!

I wanted to ask him questions, which he didn't answer.

Htjela sam mu postaviti pitanja, na koja on nije odgovorio.

And later, I told myself that

Kasnije sam sama sebi obećala

one day I would have to question him.

kako ću ga jednog dana pitati o tome.

And then I became a mother and had a son,

Postala sam majka jednog malog dječaka

and finally decided it was time -- that he absolutely had to talk to us.

te sam odlučila kako je došlo to vrijeme -- naprosto mora razgovarati s nama.

I had become a mother

Ja sam upravo postala majka,

and he was celebrating his 77th birthday,

a on je slavio 77. rođendan

and suddenly I was very, very afraid.

i odjednom me uhvatio strah.

I feared he'd go

Bojala sam se da će otići

and take his silences with him,

i sa sobom odnijeti šutnju

and take his secrets with him.

i svoje tajne.

I managed to convince him that it was important for us,

Uspjela sam ga uvjeriti kako je važno za nas,

but possibly also for other people

ali i za druge ljude,

that he shared his story.

da podijeli svoju priču.

He decided to tell it to me

Odlučio ju je ispričati meni,

and I made a book,

a ja sam je pretočila u knjigu

from which I'm going to read you some excerpts later.

iz koje ću vam kasnije pročitati ulomke.

So, his story. My father was born in Argentina.

Dakle, njegova priča. Moj je otac rođen u Argentini.

His parents were of Russian descent.

Njegovi su roditelji imali ruske korijene.

The whole family came to settle in France in the '30s.

Cijela se obitelj, 30-ih godina, preselila u Francusku.

His parents were Jewish, Russian and above all, very poor.

Roditelji su mu bili Židovi, Rusi i prije svega siromašni.

So at the age of 14 my father had to work.

Moj je otac već sa 14 godina morao početi raditi.

And with his only diploma,

Sa svojom jedinom diplomom,

his primary education certificate,

onom o završenom osnovnom obrazovanju,

he found himself working at a dyer - dry cleaner.

pronašao je posao u radnji za bojenje i kemijsko čišćenje.

That's where he discovered something totally magical,

Ondje je otkrio nešto posve čarobno,

and when he talks about it, it's fascinating --

a kad priča o tome, zvuči fascinantno --

it's the magic of dyeing chemistry.

otkrio je čaroliju kemijskog bojanja.

During that time the war was happening

U to je vrijeme trajao rat

and his mother was killed when he was 15.

i majka mu je ubijena kad je imao 15 godina.

This coincided with the time when

To se poklopilo s trenutkom

he threw himself body and soul into chemistry

kad se posve posvetio kemiji

because it was the only consolation for his sadness.

jer je jedino u njoj pronalazio utjehu.

All day he would ask many questions to his boss

Po cijeli bi dan ispitivao svog šefa

to learn, to accumulate more and more knowledge,

i na taj način stjecao sve više i više znanja,

and at night, when no one was looking,

a noću, kad nikoga ne bi bilo u blizini,

he'd put his experience to practice.

svoje je znanje stavljao u praksu.

He was mostly interested in ink bleaching.

Najviše ga je zanimalo izbjeljivanje tinte.

All this to tell you

Sve vam ovo pričam

that if my father became a forger, actually,

kako bih vam pokazala da je moj otac zapravo

it was almost by accident.

slučajno postao krivotvoritelj.

His family was Jewish, so they were hounded.

Njegova je obitelj bila, dakle, židovska i zbog toga progonjena.

Finally they were all arrested and taken to the Drancy camp

Na kraju su ih uhitili i odveli u sabirni logor Drancy,

and they managed to get out at the last minute thanks to their Argentinean papers.

iz kojeg su se uspjeli izvući u posljednji trenutak, zahvaljujući argentinskim dokumentima.

Well, they were out,

No, iako nisu bili u logoru,

but they were always in danger. The big "Jew" stamp was still on their papers.

još uvijek su bili u opasnosti. Na dokumentima su još uvijek imali otisnut veliki žig „Židov“.

It was my grandfather who decided they needed false documents.

Moj djed je odlučio da su im potrebni lažni dokumenti.

My father had been instilled with such respect for the law

Moj je otac toliko poštovao zakon

that although he was being persecuted,

da, iako je bio proganjan,

he'd never thought of false papers.

nikad se nije sjetio lažnih dokumenata.

But it was he who went to meet a man from the Resistance.

No, on je bio taj koji se išao sastati s čovjekom iz Pokreta otpora.

In those times documents had hard covers,

U to su vrijeme dokumenti imali tvrde korice,

they were filled in by hand,

i u njima je rukom

and they stated your job.

bilo ispisano vaše zanimanje.

In order to survive, he needed

Da bi preživio, otac je morao

to be working. He asked the man

raditi. Zamolio je čovjeka

to write "dyer."

da mu napiše „bojitelj“ kao zanimanje.

Suddenly the man looked very, very interested.

To je odjednom zaintrigiralo čovjeka.

As a "dyer," do you know how to bleach ink marks?

"Kako to mislite, bojitelj? Znate li izbijeliti tintu?

Of course he knew.

Naravno da je znao.

And suddenly the man started explaining that

I odjednom je čovjek počeo objašnjavati

actually the whole Resistance had a huge problem:

kako cijeli Pokret otpora ima jedan golemi problem:

even the top experts

čak ni najbolji stručnjaci

could not manage to bleach an ink, called "indelible,"

nisu uspjeli izbijeliti tintu zvanu „neizbrisiva“,

the "Waterman" blue ink.

plavu tintu Waterman.

And my father immediately replied that he knew exactly

Moj je otac odgovorio da točno zna

how to bleach it.

kako ju izbijeliti.

Now, of course, the man was very impressed with this young man of 17

Naravno, čovjek je bio vrlo zadivljen ovim sedamnaestogodišnjakom

who could immediately give him the formula, so he recruited him.

koji mu je na licu mjesta mogao reći formulu izbjeljivanja, pa ga je unovačio.

And actually, without knowing it, my father had invented something

Tako je, i ne znajući, moj otac izumio nešto

we can find in every schoolchild's pencil case:

što možemo naći u pernici svakog djeteta:

the so-called "correction pen."

takozvano „bjelilo“.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

But it was only the beginning.

No, bio je to tek početak.

That's my father.

Ovo je moj otac.

As soon as he got to the lab,

Odmah po dolasku u laboratorij,

even though he was the youngest,

iako je bio najmlađi,

he immediately saw that there was a problem with the making of forged documents.

uočio je da postoji problem u izradi lažnih dokumenata.

All the movements stopped at falsifying.

Svim je pokretima falsificiranje bilo dovoljno.

But demand was ever-growing

Međutim, potražnja je bila sve veća

and it was difficult to tamper with existing documents.

i postalo je sve teže petljati s postojećim dokumentima.

He told himself it was necessary to make them from scratch.

Sam je sebi rekao kako ih je potrebno stvoriti od početka.

He started a press. He started photoengraving.

Započeo je s tiskanjem. Foto-graviranjem.

He started making rubber stamps.

Počeo je izrađivati gumene pečate.

He started inventing all kind of things --

Počeo je izrađivati razne stvari --

with some materials he invented a centrifuge using a bicycle wheel.

od nekakvog je materijala napravio stroj za centrifugu koristeći kotač bicikla.

Anyway, he had to do all this

Radio je sve to, morao je to raditi

because he was completely obsessed with output.

jer je bio potpuno opsjednut količinom izrađenih dokumenata.

He had made a simple calculation:

Napravio je jednostavnu računicu:

In one hour he could make 30 forged documents.

za jedan je sat mogao izraditi 30 krivotvorenih dokumenata.

If he slept one hour, 30 people would die.

Kad bi odspavao jedan sat, 30 bi ljudi umrlo.

This sense of

Taj osjećaj odgovornosti

responsibility for other people's lives when he was just 17 --

za živote drugih, koji je razvio sa samo 17 godina --

and also his guilt for being a survivor,

i osjećaj krivnje što je preživio,

since he had escaped the camp when his friends had not --

pobjegavši iz sabirnog logora, dok njegovi prijatelji nisu --

stayed with him all his life.

ostao je u njemu cijelog života.

And this is maybe what explains why, for 30 years,

To možda objašnjava i zašto je sljedećih 30 godina

he continued to make false papers

nastavio izrađivati lažne dokumente

at the expense of all kinds of sacrifices.

iako je mnogo toga morao žrtvovati.

I'd like to talk about those sacrifices,

Željela bih pričati o tim žrtvama

because there were many.

jer ih je bilo mnogo.

There were obviously financial sacrifices

Očito su postojala financijska žrtvovanja

because he always refused to be paid.

jer je odbijao primiti novac.

To him, being paid would have meant being a mercenary.

Primiti novac za njega je značilo biti plaćenik.

If he had accepted payment,

Da je prihvatio plaću,

he wouldn't be able to say "yes" or "no"

ne bi mogao reći „da“ ili „ne“,

depending on what he deemed a just or unjust cause.

ovisno o tome što je smatrao pravednim ili nepravednim zahtjevom.

So he was a photographer by day,

Trideset je godina bio fotograf danju,

and a forger by night for 30 years.

a krivotvoritelj noću.

He was broke all of the time.

Stalno bez prebijene pare.

Then there were the emotional sacrifices:

Zatim su postojala emotivna žrtvovanja:

How can one live with a woman while having so many secrets?

kako istovremeno živjeti sa ženom i imati toliko tajni?

How can one explain what one does at night in the lab, every single night?

Kako joj objasniti što svake noći radi u laboratoriju?

Of course, there was another kind of sacrifice

Naravno, postojao je još jedan oblik žrtvovanja

involving his family that I understood much later.

koji je uključivao njegovu obitelj, to sam tek kasnije shvatila.

One day my father introduced me to my sister.

Jednog me dana otac upoznao s mojom sestrom.

He also explained to me that I had a brother, too,

Objasnio mi je kako imam i brata,

and the first time I saw them I must have been three or four,

a kad sam ih prvi put vidjela, imala sam tri ili četiri godine,

and they were 30 years older than me.

dok su oni bili 30 godina stariji od mene.

They are both in their sixties now.

Oboje su sada u svojim šezdesetima.

In order to write the book,

Kako bih napisala knjigu,

I asked my sister questions. I wanted to know who my father was,

postavljala sam sestri razna pitanja. Željela sam znati tko je moj otac,

who was the father she had known.

tko je otac kakvog je ona poznavala.

She explained that the father that she'd had

Objasnila mi je kako bi im otac, kakvog je ona poznavala,

would tell them he'd come and pick them up on Sunday to go for a walk.

rekao da će doći u nedjelju po njih i odvesti ih u šetnju.

They would get all dressed up and wait for him,

Oni bi se lijepo obukli i čekali ga,

but he would almost never come.

ali on gotovo nikad ne bi došao.

He'd say, "I'll call." He wouldn't call.

Rekao bi „Nazvat ću vas“. A nije nazvao.

And then he would not come.

Zatim više nije dolazio.

Then one day he totally disappeared.

A jednog je dana posve nestao.

Time passed,

Kako je vrijeme prolazilo,

and they thought he had surely forgotten them,

zaključili su da ih je sigurno zaboravio,

at first.

barem isprva.

Then as time passed,

Vrijeme je prolazilo

at the end of almost two years, they thought,

i nakon gotovo dvije godine, mislili su:

"Well, perhaps our father has died."

„Možda je naš otac umro“.

And then I understood

Shvatila sam

that asking my father so many questions

da je moje postavljanje svih tih pitanja mom ocu

was stirring up a whole past he probably didn't feel like talking about

probudilo duhove prošlosti o kojoj nije želio pričati

because it was painful.

jer mu je bila toliko bolna.

And while my half brother and sister thought they'd been abandoned,

Dok su moja polusestra i moj polubrat mislili kako ih je otac napustio

orphaned,

i kako su siročad,

my father was making false papers.

on je izrađivao lažne dokumente.

And if he did not tell them, it was of course to protect them.

On im to naravno nije rekao jer ih je želio zaštititi.

After the liberation he made false papers

Nakon oslobođenja izrađivao je lažne dokumente

to allow the survivors of concentration camps to immigrate to Palestine

kojima su oni koji su preživjeli sabirne logore mogli emigrirati u Palestinu,

before the creation of Israel.

prije nastanka Izraela.

And then, as he was a staunch anti-colonialist,

Budući da je bio gorljiv antikolonijalist,

he made false papers for Algerians during the Algerian war.

izrađivao je lažne dokumente Alžircima za vrijeme Alžirskog rata.

After the Algerian war,

Nakon Alžirskog rata

at the heart of the international resistance movements,

njegovo je ime kolalo

his name circulated

središtem međunarodnog pokreta otpora

and the whole world came knocking at his door.

Cijeli je svijet dolazio k njemu po pomoć.

In Africa there were countries fighting for their independence:

U Africi su se zemlje borile za neovisnost:

Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Angola.

Gvineja, Gvineja Bisau, Angola.

And then my father connected with Nelson Mandela's anti-apartheid party.

Zatim se otac povezao s antiapartheidskom strankom Nelsona Mandele.

He made false papers for persecuted black South Africans.

Izrađivao je lažne dokumente za progonjene crne Južnoafrikance.

There was also Latin America.

Zatim je došla Latinska Amerika.

My father helped those who resisted dictatorships

Moj je otac pomagao onima koji se se odupirali diktatorskoj vladi

in the Dominican Republic, Haiti,

u Dominikanskoj republici, na Haitiju,

and then it was the turn of Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, El Salvador, Nicaragua,

a zatim i u Brazilu, Argentini, Venezueli, Salvadoru, Nikaragvi,

Colombia, Peru, Uruguay, Chile and Mexico.

Kolumbiji, Peruu, Urugvaju, Čileu i Meksiku.

Then there was the Vietnam War.

Na red je došao i Vijetnamski rat.

My father made false papers for the American deserters

Moj je otac izrađivao lažne dokumente američkim dezerterima

who did not wish to take up arms against the Vietnamese.

koji se nisu htjeli boriti protiv Vijetnamaca.

Europe was not spared either.

Ni Europa nije bila pošteđena.

My father made false papers for the dissidents

Radio je lažne dokumente disidentima

against Franco in Spain, Salazar in Portugal,

koji su ustali protiv Franca u Španjolskoj, Salazara u Portugalu,

against the colonels' dictatorship in Greece,

protiv vojne hunte u Grčkoj.

and even in France.

Pa čak i u Francuskoj.

There, just once, it happened in May of 1968.

Dogodilo se to samo jednom, u svibnju 1968. godine.

My father watched, benevolently, of course,

Moj je otac gledao, blagonaklono naravno,

the demonstrations of the month of May,

svibanjske demonstracije,

but his heart was elsewhere, and so was his time

ali srce mu je bilo drugdje, kao i njegovo vrijeme

because he had over 15 countries to serve.

jer je morao udovoljiti zahtjevima 15 zemalja.

Once, though, he agreed to make false papers

Jednom je prihvatio izraditi lažne dokumente

for someone you might recognize.

za nekoga koga možda prepoznajete.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

He was much younger in those days,

Tada je bio mnogo mlađi,

and my father agreed to make false papers

a moj je otac prihvatio izraditi mu lažne dokumente

to enable him to come back and speak at a meeting.

kako bi se vratio u zemlju i održao govor na sastanku.

He told me that those false papers were the most media-relevant

Rekao mi je kako su to bili medijski najvažniji

and the least useful he'd had to make in all his life.

i ujedno najbeskorisniji dokumenti koje je u životu izradio.

But, he agreed to do it,

No, pristao ih je izraditi

even though Daniel Cohn-Bendit's life was not in danger,

iako život Daniela Cohn-Bendita nije bio u opasnosti;

just because

izradio ih je

it was a good opportunity

jer je to bila dobra prilika

to mock the authorities,

da se naruga vladi

and to show them that there's nothing more porous than borders --

i da im pokaže kako ne postoji ništa poroznije od granica --

and that ideas have no borders.

i kako ideje ne poznaju granice.

All my childhood,

Cijelog mog djetinjstva,

while my friends' dads would tell them Grimm's fairy tales,

dok su mojim prijateljicama očevi pričali priče braće Grimm,

my father would tell me stories about very unassuming heroes

meni je moj otac pričao priče o skromnim junacima

with unshakeable utopias

i njihovim nepokolebljivim utopijama,

who managed to make miracles.

koji su uspjeli učiniti čuda.

And those heroes did not need an army behind them.

Tim junacima nije bila potrebna vojska.

Anyhow, nobody would have followed them,

Uostalom, nitko ih ne bi ni slijedio

except for a handful [of] men and women of conviction and courage.

osim šačice hrabrih i odlučnih muškaraca i žena.

I understood much later

Kasnije sam shvatila

that actually it was his own story my father would tell me to get me to sleep.

kako mi je otac prije spavanja pričao svoju vlastitu životnu priču.

I asked him whether, considering the sacrifices he had to make,

Pitala sam ga, s obzirom na žrtve koje je morao podnijeti,

he ever had any regrets.

žali li za čim.

He said no.

Rekao je da ne,

He told me that he would have been unable

rekao mi je kako ne bi mogao

to witness or submit to injustice without doing anything.

biti svjedok nepravde ili je podnositi, a da nešto ne poduzme.

He was persuaded, and he's still convinced

Uvjeren je i još uvijek vjeruje

that another world is possible --

kako je drugačiji svijet moguć --

a world where no one would ever need a forger.

svijet u kojem nikome nikad neće trebati krivotvoritelj.

He's still dreaming about it.

On još uvijek sanja o tome.

My father

Moj je otac

is here in the room today.

danas ovdje u dvorani.

His name is Adolfo Kaminsky and I'm going to ask him to stand up.

Zove se Adolfo Kaminsky i zamolit ću ga da ustane.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

Thank you.

Hvala.