Bill Davenhall: Your health depends on where you live

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Traducător: Tita Mihai Corector: Catalina Tudor
00:15
Can geographic information
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Pot informatiile geografice
00:18
make you healthy?
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sa va faca sanatosi?
00:22
In 2001 I got hit by a train.
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In 2001 am fost lovit de "un tren"
00:26
My train was a heart attack.
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Trenul meu s-a numit "atac de cord".
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I found myself in a hospital
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M-am trezit intr-un spital
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in an intensive-care ward,
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la terapie intensiva,
00:33
recuperating from emergency surgery.
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recuperandu-ma dupa operatia de urgenta.
00:36
And I suddenly realized something:
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Si mi-am dat seama pe moment de ceva:
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that I was completely in the dark.
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ca nu intelegeam nimic.
00:41
I started asking my questions, "Well, why me?"
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Am inceput sa ma intreb "De ce eu ?"
00:43
"Why now?" "Why here?"
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"De ce acum?" "De ce aici?"
00:45
"Could my doctor have warned me?"
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"Ar fi putut doctorul meu sa ma previna de acest lucru?"
00:48
So, what I want to do here in the few minutes I have with you
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Deci, ce doresc sa fac in putinele minute pe care le am la dispozitie
00:51
is really talk about what is the formula for life and good health.
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este sa vorbesc despre formula vietii si a sanatatii.
00:56
Genetics, lifestyle and environment.
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Genetica, modul de viata si mediul.
00:59
That's going to sort of contain our risks,
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Acestea au riscurile aferente,
01:01
and if we manage those risks
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si daca reusim sa evitam aceste riscuri
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we're going to live a good life and a good healthy life.
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o sa ducem o viata buna si o viata sanatoasa.
01:06
Well, I understand the genetics and lifestyle part.
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Ei bine, inteleg partea cu genetica si stilul de viata.
01:10
And you know why I understand that?
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Si stiti de ce o inteleg?
01:12
Because my physicians constantly
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Pentru ca doctorii mei
01:15
ask me questions about this.
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ma intreaba mereu despre ea.
01:17
Have you ever had to fill out those long,
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Ati completat vreodata formularele acelea lungi,
01:19
legal-size forms in your doctor's office?
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din cabinetul doctorului?
01:22
I mean, if you're lucky enough you get to do it more than once, right?
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Vreau sa zic ca, daca esti destul de norocos, apuci sa faci asta de mai multe ori, nu?
01:25
(Laughter)
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(Rasete)
01:26
Do it over and over again. And they ask you questions
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Le completezi incontinuu. Si ei te intreaba
01:28
about your lifestyle and your family history,
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despre modul de viata, despre antecedentele medicale ale familiei,
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your medication history, your surgical history,
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despre ce medicamente ai luat, daca ai fost operat,
01:35
your allergy history ... did I forget any history?
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daca esti alergic... am uitat ceva?
01:39
But this part of the equation I didn't really get,
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Dar partea aceasta a ecuatiei nu am prea inteles-o.
01:43
and I don't think my physicians
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Si cred ca nici doctorii
01:46
really get this part of the equation.
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nu o inteleg.
01:48
What does that mean, my environment?
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Ce inseamna cu adevarat mediul inconjurator?
01:51
Well, it can mean a lot of things.
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Poate insemna mai multe lucruri.
01:53
This is my life. These are my life places.
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Asta e viata mea. Aici sunt locurile unde am trait.
01:56
We all have these.
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Cu totii le avem.
01:58
While I'm talking I'd like you to also be thinking about:
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In timp ce eu va vorbesc, as dori ca voi sa va ganditi
02:01
How many places have you lived?
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in cate locuri ati trait?
02:04
Just think about that, you know, wander through
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Ganditi-va un moment, aduceti-va aminte
02:06
your life thinking about this.
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de locurile in care ati trait.
02:08
And you realize that you spend it in a variety of different places.
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Si o sa va dati seama ca va traiti viata in multe locuri diferite.
02:12
You spend it at rest and you spend it at work.
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Va petreceti viata odihnindu-va si muncind.
02:14
And if you're like me, you're in an airplane a good portion of your time
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Si daca sunteti ca mine, petreceti mult timp in avion
02:17
traveling some place.
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calatorind undeva.
02:19
So, it's not really simple
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Deci, nu e chiar simplu
02:21
when somebody asks you, "Where do you live, where do you work,
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cand cineva te intreaba "Unde locuiesti, unde muncesti,
02:23
and where do you spend all your time?
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si unde iti petreci timpul?
02:25
And where do you expose yourselves to risks
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Si unde va expuneti riscurilor
02:28
that maybe perhaps you don't even see?"
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fara sa va dati seama?
02:32
Well, when I have done this on myself,
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Ei bine, cand am facut acest experiment,
02:34
I always come to the conclusion
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am ajuns la concluzia
02:36
that I spend about 75 percent of my time
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ca petrec cam 75% din timpul meu
02:40
relatively in a small number of places.
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intr-un numar relativ mic de locuri.
02:43
And I don't wander far from that place
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Si de obicei stau cam in aceeasi zona
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for a majority of my time,
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o mare majoritate a timpului,
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even though I'm an extensive global trekker.
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desi sunt un calator inrait.
02:52
Now, I'm going to take you on a little journey here.
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Acum, o sa va iau intr-o mica calatorie.
02:54
I started off in Scranton, Pennsylvania.
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Am inceput in Scranton Pennsylvania.
02:56
I don't know if anybody might hail from northeastern Pennsylvania,
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Nu stiu daca se trage careva din nord-estul Pennsylvaniei.
02:59
but this is where I spent my first 19 years
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Dar aici am petrecut primii mei 19 ani
03:02
with my little young lungs.
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cu tinerii mei plamani.
03:04
You know, breathing high concentrations here
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Am inhalat aici concentratii ridicate
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of sulfur dioxide, carbon dioxide
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de dioxid de sulf, dioxid de carbon
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and methane gas,
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si gaz metan,
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in unequal quantities -- 19 years of this.
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in cantitati inegale -- 19 ani am facut asta.
03:14
And if you've been in that part of the country,
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Si daca ati fost vreodata in aceasta parte a tarii,
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this is what those piles of burning, smoldering coal waste look like.
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asa arata aceste gramezi de deseuri miniere care inca ard mocnit.
03:20
So then I decided to leave that part of the world,
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Dupa o vreme, am decis sa plec din aceasta zona.
03:23
and I was going to go to the mid-west.
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As fi vrut sa ma duc in vestul mijlociu.
03:26
OK, so I ended up in Louisville, Kentucky.
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Asa ca am ajuns in Louisville Kentucky.
03:29
Well, I decided to be neighbors to a place called Rubbertown.
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Ei bine, am decis sa fiu vecin cu un loc numit Rubbertown (Orasul de cauciuc)
03:33
They manufacture plastics. They use large quantities chloroprene
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Acolo se produc materiale plastice. Foloseau cantitati mari de cloropren
03:36
and benzene.
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si benzen.
03:38
Okay, I spent 25 years, in my middle-age lungs now,
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Ei bine, am petrecut 25 de ani, cu plamanii mei de varsta mijlocie,
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breathing various concentrations of that.
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inhaland diferite concentratii din aceste substante.
03:46
And on a clear day it always looked like this, so you never saw it.
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Intr-o zi senina intotdeauna arata asa, deci nu o puteai vedea niciodata.
03:50
It was insidious and it was really happening.
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Era de nevazut, dar chiar se intampla.
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Then I decided I had to get really smart,
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Apoi am decis ca e timpul sa ma destept,
03:55
I would take this job in the West Coast.
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Am acceptat o slujba pe coasta de vest.
03:58
And I moved to Redlands California.
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Si m-am mutat in Redlands California.
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Very nice, and there
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Foarte frumos, si acolo
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my older, senior lungs, as I like to call them,
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pe batranii mei plamani, cum imi place sa ii numesc,
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I filled with particulate matter, carbon dioxide and very high doses of ozone.
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I-am umplut cu dioxid de carbon si cu doze foarte mari de ozon.
04:13
Okay? Almost like the highest in the nation.
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Da? Aproape cea mai mare concentratie din tara.
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Alright, this is what it looks like on a good day.
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In regula. Asa arata intr-o zi buna.
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If you've been there, you know what I'm talking about.
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Daca ati fost acolo, stiti despre ce vorbesc.
04:20
So, what's wrong with this picture?
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Deci, ce e in neregula cu povestea mea?
04:23
Well, the picture is, there is a huge gap here.
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Ei bine, exista o mare discrepanta.
04:25
The one thing that never happens in my doctor's office:
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Singurul lucru care nu se intampla niciodata in biroul doctorului meu:
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They never ask me about my place history.
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Nimeni nu ma intreaba despre locurile in care am mai locuit.
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No doctor, can I remember, ever asking me,
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Nici un doctor, din cate imi amintesc, nu m-a intrebat,
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"Where have you lived?"
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"Unde ai locuit?"
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They haven't asked me what kind of the quality
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Nu m-au intrebat daca e de calitate
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of the drinking water that I put in my mouth
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apa pe care o beau,
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or the food that I ingest into my stomach.
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sau mancarea pe care o mananc.
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They really don't do that. It's missing.
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Nici un doctor nu pune aceste intrebari. Lipseste.
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Look at the kind of data that's available.
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Uitati-va la datele disponibile.
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This data's from all over the world --
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Aceste date sunt de peste tot din lume--
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countries spend billions of dollars investing in this kind of research.
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tarile cheltuiesc miliarde de dolari investind in acest mod de cercetare.
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Now, I've circled the places where I've been.
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Am incercuit locurile in care am fost.
05:00
Well, by design, if I wanted to have a heart attack
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Dupa cum se vede aici, daca as fi dorit un atac de cord
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I'd been in the right places. Right?
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am fost in locurile potrivite, Nu-i asa?
05:08
So, how many people are in the white?
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Cati dintre dumneavoastra sunt in zona alba?
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How many people in the room have spent the majority of their life
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Cati dintre cei din sala si-au petrecut mare parte din viata
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in the white space?
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in spatiile albe?
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Anybody? Boy you're lucky.
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Cineva? Esti norocos.
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How many have spent it in the red places?
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Cati si-au petrecut viata in locurile rosii?
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Oh, not so lucky.
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Oh, nu chiar asa de norocosi.
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There are thousands of these kinds of maps
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Sunt mii de astfel de harti
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that are displayed in atlases
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in atlase
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all over the world.
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din toata lumea.
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They give us some sense of what's going
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Acestea ne arata cam cum o sa fie
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to be our train wreck.
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accidentul nostru.
05:34
But none of that's in my medical record.
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Dar aceasta informatie nu se afla in dosarul meu medical.
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And it's not in yours either.
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Si nici in al vostru.
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So, here's my friend Paul.
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Acesta e amicul meu Paul.
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He's a colleague. He allowed his cell phone to be tracked
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E un coleg. Si-a dat acceptul ca telefonul lui sa fie monitorizat
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every two hours, 24/7,
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la fiecare doua ore, in fiecare ora din zi,
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365 days out of the year
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365 de zile pe an,
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for the last two years, everywhere he went.
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in ultimii doi ani, oriunde s-ar fi dus.
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And you can see he's been to a few places around the United States.
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Si dupa cum vedeti a fost in cateva locuri din Statele Unite.
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And this is where he has spent most of his time.
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Si aici si-a petrecut cea mai mare parte a timpului.
06:00
If you really studied that you might have some clues
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Daca v-ati uita cu atentie, v-ati da seama
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as to what Paul likes to do.
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de ceea ce ii place lui Paul sa faca.
06:06
Anybody got any clues? Ski. Right.
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Si-a dat cineva seama? Sa schieze. Da.
06:09
We can zoom in here, and we suddenly see
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Daca ne uitam atent aici, ne dam seama imediat
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that now we see where Paul has really spent a majority of his time.
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unde a petrecut Paul o buna parte din timpul sau.
06:16
And all of those black dots are all of the
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Toate acele puncte negre reprezinta
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toxic release inventories
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zonele toxice
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that are monitored by the EPA.
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care sunt monitorizate de EPA.
06:24
Did you know that data existed?
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Stiati ca exista aceste informatii?
06:27
For every community in the United States,
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Pentru fiecare comunitate din Statele Unite,
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you could have your own personalized map of that.
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ati putea avea o harta personalizata cu aceste informatii.
06:33
So, our cell phones can now build a place history.
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Telefoanele noastre mobile pot aduna date despre locurile vizitate.
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This is how Paul did it. He did it with his iPhone.
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Asa a facut Paul. A facut-o cu ajutorul iPhone-ului sau.
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This might be what we end up with.
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S-ar putea ca acesta sa fie viitorul.
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This is what the physician would have
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Doctorul sa aiba aceasta informatie
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in front of him and her when we enter that exam room
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in fata lui sau a ei cand am intra in cabinet
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instead of just the pink slip that said I paid at the counter. Right?
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in locul acelei chitante roz care arata ca ai platit la casierie, Nu?
06:51
This could be my little assessment.
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Aceasta ar putea sa fie mica mea evaluare.
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And he looks at that and he says,
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Si el s-ar uita la ea si ar spune,
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"Whoa Bill,
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"Oo Bill,
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I suggest that maybe you not decide,
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Ti-as sugera, sa nu te decizi,
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just because you're out here in beautiful California,
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doar pentru ca esti aici in California,
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and it's warm every day,
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si e cald in fiecare zi
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that you get out and run at six o'clock at night.
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sa iesi sa alergi la ora sase seara.
07:07
I'd suggest that that's a bad idea Bill,
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Iti zic ca e o idee proasta Bill,
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because of this report."
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din cauza acestui raport."
07:13
What I'd like to leave you for are two prescriptions.
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As dori sa inchei cu doua doleante.
07:17
Okay, number one is, we must teach physicians
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Prima e, trebuie sa-i invatam pe doctori
07:19
about the value of geographical information.
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despre valoarea informatiilor geografice.
07:23
It's called geomedicine. There are about a half a dozen programs in the world right now
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Se numeste geomedicina. Sunt in jur de sase programe in lume la ora actuala
07:27
that are focused on this.
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care se axeaza pe asta.
07:29
And they're in the early stages of development.
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Si sunt in stadiu incipient de dezvoltare.
07:32
These programs need to be supported,
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Aceste programe trebuie sa fie sustinute.
07:35
and we need to teach our future
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Si trebuie sa-i invatam pe viitorii
07:37
doctors of the world
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doctori ai lumii
07:39
the importance of some of the information
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despre importanta acestor informatii
07:41
I've shared here with you today.
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pe care le-am impartasit cu voi astazi.
07:43
The second thing we need to do
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Al doilea lucru pe care trebuie sa il facem
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is while we're spending billions and billions
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este ca in timp ce noi cheltuim miliarde si miliarde
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of dollars all over the world
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de dolari peste tot in lume
07:50
building an electronic health record,
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ca sa contruim o arhiva electronica a sanatatii,
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we make sure we put a place history
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sa ne asiguram ca punem si o istorie a locurilor vizitate
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inside that medical record.
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in acea arhiva medicala.
07:57
It not only will be important for the physician;
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O sa fie important nu doar pentru doctori;
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it will be important for the researchers
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ci si pentru cercetatorii
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that now will have huge samples to draw upon.
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care o sa aiba multe exemple dupa care sa se ia.
08:06
But it will also be useful for us.
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Dar o sa ne fie si noua folositor.
08:08
I could have made the decision, if I had this information,
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As fi putut lua decizia, daca as fi avut aceste informatii
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not to move to the ozone capital
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sa nu ma mut in capitala ozonului
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of the United States, couldn't I? I could make that decision.
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a Statelor Unite. Nu-i asa? As fi putut lua aceasta decizie.
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Or I could negotiate with my employer
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Sau as fi putut negocia cu angajatorul meu
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to make that decision
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sa iau deciza
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in the best interest of myself and my company.
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care mi-ar fi convenit mie si companiei mele.
08:28
With that, I would like to just say that Jack Lord said
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In incheiere as vrea sa va spun ce a zis Jack Lord
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this almost 10 years ago.
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acum aproape 10 ani.
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Just look at that for a minute.
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Uitati-va aici pentru un minut.
08:36
That was what the conclusion
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Aceasta a fost concluzia
08:38
of the Dartmouth Atlas of Healthcare was about,
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Dartmouth Atlas of Healthcare,
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was saying that we can explain the geographic variations
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care zice ca ne putem explica variatiile georgrafice
08:44
that occur in disease, in illness, in wellness,
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care influenteaza boliile si afectiuniile, starea buna de sanatate
08:48
and how our healthcare system actually operates.
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si cum actioneaza sistemul de asistenta medicala cu adevarat.
08:51
That was what he was talking about
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Despre asta vorbea el
08:53
on that quote.
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in acel citat.
08:55
And I would say he got it right almost a decade ago.
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Si pot spune ca a avut dreptate acum un deceniu.
08:59
So, I'd very much like to see us begin to
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Mi-ar placea sa incepem sa
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really seize this as an opportunity to get this into our medical records.
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ne dam seama de aceasta oportunitate, sa facem asta o parte din arhiva noastra medicala.
09:05
So with that, I'll leave you that
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Si cu aceasta inchei spunandu-va
09:07
in my particular view of view of health:
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punctul meu personal de vedere in ceea ce priveste sanatatea,
09:11
Geography always matters.
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geografia intotdeauna conteaza.
09:13
And I believe that geographic information
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Si cred ca informatiile geografice
09:15
can make both you and me very healthy. Thank you.
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ne pot face si pe mine si pe voi foarte sanatosi. Va multumesc.
09:17
(Applause)
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(Aplauze)
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