A Saudi woman who dared to drive | Manal al-Sharif

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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Prevoditelj: Martina Dolenčić Recezent: Ivan Stamenković
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Allow me to start this talk with a question to everyone.
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Dopustite mi da započnem ovaj govor s pitanjem za sve vas.
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You know that all over the world,
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Znate da se po cijelom svijetu,
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people fight for their freedom,
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ljudi bore za svoju slobodu,
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fight for their rights.
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bore za svoja prava.
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Some battle oppressive governments.
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Neki se bore proiv tiranske vlade.
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Others battle oppressive societies.
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Drugi se bore protiv tiranskog društva.
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Which battle do you think is harder?
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Koja je bitka teža, što mislite?
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Allow me to try to answer this question
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Dopustite mi da odgovorim na ovo pitanje
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in the few coming minutes.
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u nekoliko slijedećih minuta.
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Let me take you back two years ago in my life.
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Dopustite da vas odvedem dvije godine unazad mog života.
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It was the bedtime of my son, Aboody.
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Bilo je vrijeme za spavanje za mog sina Aboodya.
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He was five at the time.
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Imao je 5 godina.
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After finishing his bedtime rituals,
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Nakon završetka njegovih rituala prije spavanja,
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he looked at me and he asked a question:
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pogledao me i upitao:
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"Mommy, are we bad people?"
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"Mama, jesmo li mi zli ljudi?"
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I was shocked.
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Bila sam šokirana.
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"Why do you say such things, Aboody?"
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"Zašto govoriš takve stvari, Aboody?"
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Earlier that day, I noticed some bruises
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Ranije toga dana, primjetila sam modrice
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on his face when he came from school.
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na njegovom licu kada je došao iz škole.
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He wouldn't tell me what happened.
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Nije mi rekao što se dogodilo.
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[But now] he was ready to tell.
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(Ali sada) bio je spreman reći.
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"Two boys hit me today in school.
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"Dva dječaka su me danas udarila u školi.
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They told me, 'We saw your mom on Facebook.
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Rekli su mi, "Vidjeli smo tvoju majku na Facebooku.
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You and your mom should be put in jail.'"
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Ti i tvoja majka bi trebali biti u zatvoru."
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I've never been afraid to tell Aboody anything.
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Nikada se nisam bojala reći Aboodyu ništa.
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I've been always a proud woman of my achievements.
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Bila sam uvijek ponosna na svoja postignuća.
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But those questioning eyes of my son
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Ali te znatiželjne oči moga sina
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were my moment of truth,
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bila su trenutak istine,
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when it all came together.
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kada je sve postalo jasno.
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You see, I'm a Saudi woman who had been put in jail
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Vidite, ja sam Sudijka koja je bila strpana u zatvor
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for driving a car in a country
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zbog vožnje automobila u zemlji
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where women are not supposed to drive cars.
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gdje žene ne bi trebale voziti automobile.
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Just for giving me his car keys,
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Samo zato jer mi je dao ključeve od svog automobila,
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my own brother was detained twice,
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moj vlastiti brat bio je uhapšen dva puta,
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and he was harassed to the point he had
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i bio je maltretiran toliko da je morao
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to quit his job as a geologist,
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ostaviti svoj posao geologa,
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leave the country with his wife and two-year-old son.
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napustiti zemlju sa ženom i dvogodišnjim sinom.
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My father had to sit in a Friday sermon
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Moj je otac morao slušati propovijedi petkom
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listening to the imam condemning women drivers
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slušajući vođu kako osuđuje žene vozače
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and calling them prostitutes
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i nazivajući ih prostitutkama
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amongst tons of worshippers,
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pred gomilom obožavatelja,
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some of them our friends and family of my own father.
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od kojih su neki naši prijatelji i obitelj moga oca.
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I was faced with an organized defamation campaign
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Bila sam suočena sa oragniziranom kampanjom za kletvu
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in the local media combined with false rumors
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u lokalnim medijima kombiniranom s ružnim glasinama
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shared in family gatherings, in the streets
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prepričavanim na obiteljskim okupljanjima, na ulici
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and in schools.
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i u školi.
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It all hit me.
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To me sve pogodilo.
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It came into focus that those kids
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Zaključilo se da ta djeca
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did not mean to be rude to my son.
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nisu htjela biti bezobrazna prema mome sinu.
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They were just influenced by the adults around them.
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Bila su pod utjecajem odraslih.
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And it wasn't about me, and it wasn't a punishment
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I nije se radilo o meni, i to nije bila kazna
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for taking the wheel and driving a few miles.
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za uzimanje automobla i vožnje nekoliko kilometara.
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It was a punishment for daring to challenge
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To je bila kazna jer sam se usudila suprostaviti
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the society's rules.
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društvenim pravilima.
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But my story goes beyond this moment of truth of mine.
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Ali priča ide dalje od ovog momenta moje istine.
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Allow me to give you a briefing
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Dopustite mi da vam ukratko ispričam
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about my story.
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svoju priču.
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It was May, 2011,
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Bio je svibanj, 2011.,
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and I was complaining to a work colleague
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žalila sam se kolegama s posla
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about the harassments I had to face
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o neugodnostima s kojima sam se suočavala
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trying to find a ride back home,
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pokušavajući naći prijevoz do doma,
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although I have a car and an international driver's license.
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iako sam imala automobil i međunarodnu vozačku dozvolu.
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As long as I've known, women in Saudi Arabia
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Koliko znam, žene u Saudijskoj Arabiji
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have been always complaining about the ban,
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su se oduvijek žalile o zabranama,
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but it's been 20 years since anyone
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ali prošlo je 20 godina otkad je itko
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tried to do anything about it,
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pokušao učiniti nešto u vezi toga,
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a whole generation ago.
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cijela generacija prije.
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He broke the good/bad news in my face.
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Rekao mi je dobro/loše vijesti.
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"But there is no law banning you from driving."
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"Ali ne postoji zakon koji ti zabranjuje vožnju."
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I looked it up, and he was right.
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Pogledala sam i bio je u pravu.
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There wasn't an actual law in Saudi Arabia.
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Nije postojao pravi zakon u Saudijskoj Arabiji.
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It was just a custom and traditions
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To je bio samo običaj i tradicija
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that are enshrined in rigid religious fatwas
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sadržani u strogim religijskim mišljenjima
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and imposed on women.
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nametnut ženama.
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That realization ignited the idea of June 17,
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Ta spoznaja je potpalila ideju koja je nastala 17. lipnja,
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where we encouraged women to take the wheel
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gdje smo mi ohrabrile žene da sjednu u automobil
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and go drive.
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i voze.
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It was a few weeks later, we started receiving all these
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Bilo je to nekoliko tjedana kasnije kada smo zaprimile sve te
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"Man wolves will rape you if you go and drive."
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"Muškarci će vas silovati ako ćete voziti."
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A courageous woman, her name is Najla Hariri,
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Hrabra žena, koja se zove Najla Hariri,
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she's a Saudi woman in the city of Jeddah,
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Saudijka iz Jeddaha,
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she drove a car and she announced
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vozila je automobil i to obznanila
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but she didn't record a video.
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ali nije snimila video.
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We needed proof.
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Trebali smo dokaz.
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So I drove. I posted a video on YouTube.
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Stoga sam ja vozila. I objavila video na YouTubeu.
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And to my surprise,
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Na moje iznenađenje,
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it got hundreds of thousands of views the first day.
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imala sam više od tisuću pregleda prvi dan.
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What happened next, of course?
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Što se dalje dogodilo, naravno?
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I started receiving threats
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Počela sam zaprimati prijetnje
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to be killed, raped, just to stop this campaign.
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da ću biti ubijena, samo kako bih prestala s tom kampanjom.
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The Saudi authorities remained very quiet.
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Saudijska vlast bila je vrlo mirna.
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That really creeped us out.
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To nas je zaista zgrozilo.
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I was in the campaign with other Saudi women
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Bila sam u kampanji sa ostalim Saudijkama
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and even men activists.
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ali i muškim aktivistima.
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We wanted to know how the authorities
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Željeli smo znati kako će vlasti
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would respond on the actual day, June 17,
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odgovoriti na taj dan, 17. lipanj,
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when women go out and drive.
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kada će žene izaći i voziti.
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So this time I asked my brother
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Ovoga sam puta upitala brata
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to come with me and drive by a police car.
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da ide sa mnom i vozi pored policijskog automobila.
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It went fast. We were arrested,
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Brzo se odvijalo. Bili smo uhićeni,
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signed a pledge not to drive again, released.
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potpisali smo da nećemo više voziti, pušteni.
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Arrested again, he was sent to detention for one day,
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Uhićen ponovo, bio je zadržan jedan dan,
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and I was sent to jail.
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a ja poslana u zatvor.
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I wasn't sure why I was sent there,
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Nisam bla sigurna zašto sam poslana tamo,
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because I didn't face any charges in the interrogation.
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jer nisam bila suočena s nikakvim optužbama na ispitivanju.
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But what I was sure of was my innocence.
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Ali ono što sam bila sigurna je bila moja nevisnost.
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I didn't break a law, and I kept my abaya
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Nisam prekršila zakon, zadržala sam svoju odjeću
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— it's a black cloak we wear in Saudi Arabia before we leave the house —
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- crni ogrtač koji oblačimo u Saudijskoj Arabiji prije izlaska iz kuće-
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and my fellow prisoners kept asking me to take it off,
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i ljudi koji su bili sa mnom u zatvoru su nastavljali govoriti mi da to skinem sa sebe
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but I was so sure of my innocence, I kept saying,
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ali bila sam sigurna u svoju nevinost, nastavila sam govoriti,
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"No, I'm leaving today."
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"Ne, danas odlazim."
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Outside the jail, the whole country went into a frenzy,
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Izvan zatvora, cijela zemlja je bila bijesna,
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some attacking me badly,
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neki napadajući me,
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and others supportive and even collecting signatures
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drugi podržavajući i skupljajući potpise
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in a petition to be sent to the king to release me.
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za peticiju za kralja da me oslobodi.
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I was released after nine days.
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Bila sam puštena devet dana kasnije.
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June 17 comes.
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17. lipanj e došao.
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The streets were packed with police cars
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Ulice su bile prepune policijskih automobila
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and religious police cars,
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i vjerskih policijskih automobila,
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but some hundred brave Saudi women
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ali oko stotine hrabrih Saudijka
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broke the ban and drove that day.
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prekršile su zabranu i vozile toga dana.
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None were arrested. We broke the taboo.
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Nitko nije bio uhićen. Razbile smo tabu.
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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So I think by now, everyone knows that we can't drive,
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Mislim da od sada, svi znaju da ne možemo voziti,
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or women are not allowed to drive, in Saudi Arabia,
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ili da ženama nije dozvoljeno voziti, u Saudijskoj Arabiji,
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but maybe few know why.
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ali samo nekoliko zna zašto.
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Allow me to help you answer this question.
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Dopustite mi da vam pomognem odgovoriti na ovo pitanje.
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There was this official study
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Postoji službena studija
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that was presented to the Shura Council --
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koja je bila predstavljena na Shura vijeću --
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it's the consultative council appointed
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to je savjetodavno vijeće postavljeno
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by the king in Saudi Arabia —
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od kralja Saudijske Arabije --
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and it was done by a local professor,
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koje je napravio lokalni profesor,
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a university professor.
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sveučilišni profesor.
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He claims it's done based on a UNESCO study.
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Tvrdi da je učinjeno na temelju UNESCO-ve studije.
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And the study states,
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A studija navodi,
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the percentage of rape, adultery,
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postotak silovanja, preljuba,
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illegitimate children, even drug abuse,
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izvanbračne djece, čak i zlouporabe droga,
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prostitution in countries where women drive
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prostitucija u zemljama gdje žene voze
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is higher than countries where women don't drive.
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je veći nego u zemljama gdje žene ne voze.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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I know, I was like this, I was shocked.
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Znam, i ja sam tako mislila, bila sam šokirana.
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I was like, "We are the last country in the world
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Mislila sam, "Mi smo jedina zemlja u svijetu
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where women don't drive."
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gdje žene ne voze."
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So if you look at the map of the world,
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Ako pogledate kartu svijeta,
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that only leaves two countries:
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samo su dvije zemlje:
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Saudi Arabia, and the other society is the rest of the world.
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Saudijska Arabija, i ostalo društvo je ostatak svijeta.
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We started a hashtag on Twitter mocking the study,
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Pokrenuli smo hashtag na Twitteru ismijavajući studiju
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and it made headlines around the world.
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i dospio je na naslovnice u cijelome svijetu.
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[BBC News: 'End of virginity' if women drive, Saudi cleric warns]
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(BBC Novosti: "Kraj djevičanstva ako žene voze, Saudijski klerik upozorava)
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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And only then we realized it's so empowering
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Tada smo tek shvatili da je to osnaživanje
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to mock your oppressor.
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kako bi ismijao svog mučitelja.
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It strips it away of its strongest weapon: fear.
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To uklanja najjače oružje: strah.
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This system is based on ultra-conservative
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Ovaj se sistem bazira na ultra-konzervativnim
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traditions and customs
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tradicijama i običajima
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that deal with women as if they are inferior
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koji se odnose na žene kao da su inferiorne
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and they need a guardian to protect them,
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i trebaju čuvara da ih zaštiti,
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so they need to take permission from this guardian,
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pa moraju dobiti dopuštenje od čuvara,
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whether verbal or written, all their lives.
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bilo verbalno ili pisano, cijeli svoj život.
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We are minors until the day we die.
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Mi smo maloljetnici sve do dana kada umremo.
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And it becomes worse when it's enshrined in religious fatwas
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I postaje gore kada je to zapisano u religijskim zapisima
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based on wrong interpretation of the sharia law,
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temeljeno na krivim interpretacijama šerijatskog zakona,
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or the religious laws.
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ili religijskih zakona.
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What's worst, when they become codified
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Što je najgore, kada postanu definirana
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as laws in the system,
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kao zakoni u sistemu,
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and when women themselves believe in their inferiority,
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kada žene same vjeruju u svoju inferiornost,
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and they even fight those who try
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čak se i bore protiv onih koji
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to question these rules.
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preispituju takva pravila.
08:11
So for me, it wasn't only about these attacks I had to face.
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Za mene, nije se radilo samo o napadima s kojima sam se morala suočiti.
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It was about living two totally different
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Radilo se o životu dvije potpuno različite
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perceptions of my personality, of my person --
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percepcije moje osobnosti, mene kao osobe --
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the villain back in my home country,
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negativac u mojoj rodnoj zemlji,
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and the hero outside.
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a junak vani.
08:25
Just to tell you, two stories happened in the last two years.
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Samo da znate, dvije su se priče dogodile u zadnje dvije godine.
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One of them is when I was in jail.
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Jedna od njih je da sam bila u zatvoru.
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I'm pretty sure when I was in jail,
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Gotovo sam sigurna da su svi vidjeli
08:34
everyone saw titles in the international media
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naslove u međunarodnim medijima kada sam bila u zatvoru
08:38
something like this during these nine days I was in jail.
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poput ovih tijekom devet dana dok sam bila u zatvoru.
08:42
But in my home country, it was a totally different picture.
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Ali u mojoj rodnoj zemlji, bila je potpuno drukčija slika.
08:45
It was more like this:
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Više poput ovoga:
08:47
"Manal al-Sharif faces charges of disturbing public order
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"Manal al-Sharif suočava se s optužbama remećenja javnog reda i mira
08:50
and inciting women to drive."
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i poticanja žena da voze."
08:54
I know.
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Znam.
08:57
"Manal al-Sharif withdraws from the campaign."
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"Manal al- Sharif se povlači iz kampanje."
08:59
Ah, it's okay. This is my favorite.
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Ah, to je u redu. Ovo mi je najdraže.
09:02
"Manal al-Sharif breaks down and confesses:
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"Manal al-Sharif se slama i priznaje:
09:04
'Foreign forces incited me.'"
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'Inozemne snage su me potaknule'."
09:06
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
09:08
And it goes on, even trial and flogging me in public.
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To se nastavlja, pa čak i javno suđenje i šibanje.
09:13
So it's a totally different picture.
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To je potpuno drugačija slika.
09:17
I was asked last year to give a speech
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Pitali su me prošle godine da održim govor
09:19
at the Oslo Freedom Forum.
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na Forumu slobode u Oslu.
09:21
I was surrounded by this love
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Bila sam okružena ljubavlju
09:24
and the support of people around me,
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i podrškom ljudi oko mene,
09:26
and they looked at me as an inspiration.
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i gledali su me kao inspiraciju.
09:28
At the same time, I flew back to my home country,
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U isto vrijeme, odletjela sam natrag u svoju zemlju,
09:31
they hated that speech so much.
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oni su mrzili taj govor.
09:33
The way they called it: a betrayal to the Saudi country
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Nazvali su ga: izdaja Saudijske zemlje
09:35
and the Saudi people,
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i Saudijaca,
09:37
and they even started a hashtag called #OsloTraitor on Twitter.
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i čak su napravili pokrenuli hashtag na Twitteru #OsloIzdajnik(#OsloTraitor).
09:40
Some 10,000 tweets were written in that hashtag,
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Oko 10 000 tweetova je napisano s tim hashtagom,
09:44
while the opposite hashtag, #OsloHero,
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dok je suprotni hashtag na Twitteru glasio #OsloJunak(#OsloHero),
09:46
there was like a handful of tweets written.
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bila je šačica tweetovai.
09:48
They even started a poll.
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Čak su započeli anketiranje.
09:50
More than 13,000 voters answered this poll:
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Više od 13 000 glasača odgovorilo je na anketu:
09:53
whether they considered me a traitor or not after that speech.
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da li me smatraju izdajicom ili ne nakon govora.
09:56
Ninety percent said yes, she's a traitor.
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90% je reklo da, ona je izdajica.
09:59
So it's these two totally different perceptions
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Tako da su to dvije potpuno različite percepcije
10:03
of my personality.
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moje osobnosti.
10:05
For me, I'm a proud Saudi woman,
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Za mene, ja sam ponosna Sudijka,
10:07
and I do love my country,
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volim svoju zemlju,
10:09
and because I love my country, I'm doing this.
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i zato što je volim činim ovo.
10:12
Because I believe a society will not be free
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Zbog toga što mislim da društvo neće biti slobodno
10:14
if the women of that society are not free.
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ako žene toga društva nisu slobodne.
10:17
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
10:27
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
10:29
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
10:32
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Hvala, hvala, hvala, hvala.
10:35
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
10:47
Thank you.
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Hvala.
10:51
But you learn lessons from these things that happen to you.
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Ali učite lekciju iz stvari koje se dešavaju vama.
10:55
I learned to be always there.
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Ja sam naučila biti uvijek tamo.
10:58
The first thing, I got out of jail,
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Prva stvar, izašla sam iz zatvora,
11:00
of course after I took a shower, I went online,
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naravno nakon što sam se otuširala, otišla sam na internet,
11:03
I opened my Twitter account and my Facebook page,
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otvorila svoj Twitter račun i Facebook stranicu,
11:06
and I've been always very respectful
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i uvijek sam bila vrlo obzirna
11:09
to those people who are opining to me.
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prema ljudima koji su izražavali svoje mišljenje prema meni.
11:10
I would listen to what they say,
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Slušala bih što govore,
11:12
and I would never defend myself with words only.
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i nikada ne bih sebe branila samo riječima.
11:15
I would use actions. When they said I should withdraw from the campaign,
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Koristila bih djela. Kada su rekli da se trebam povući iz kampanje,
11:17
I filed the first lawsuit against the general directorate
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podnijela sam prvu tužbu protiv ravnateljstva
11:20
of traffic police for not issuing me a driver's license.
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prometne policije jer mi nisu izdali vozačku dozvolu.
11:24
There are a lot of people also --
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Također je mnogo ljudi --
11:26
very big support, like those 3,000 people
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koji su velika podrška, oko 3 000 ljudi
11:29
who signed the petition to release me.
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koji su potpisali peticiju da me oslobode.
11:31
We sent a petition to the Shura Council
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Poslali smo peticiju Vijeću Shura
11:34
in favor of lifting the ban on Saudi women,
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u prilog ukidanja zabrane Saudijkama,
11:38
and there were, like, 3,500 citizens who believed in that
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i oko 3 500 građana vjerovalo je u to
11:41
and they signed that petition.
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i potpisalo je peticiju.
11:42
There were people like that, I just showed some examples,
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Bilo je takvih ljudi, samo sam pokazala neke primjere
11:45
who are amazing, who are believing in women's rights in Saudi Arabia,
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koji su nevjerojatni, koji vjeruju u ženska prava u Saudijskoj Arabiji,
11:48
and trying, and they are also facing a lot of hate
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i koji pokušavaju, oni se susreću s puno mržnje
11:51
because of speaking up and voicing their views.
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zbog govora i izražavanja svojih pogleda.
11:55
Saudi Arabia today is taking small steps
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Danas Saudijska Arabija poduzima male korake
11:57
toward enhancing women's rights.
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prema poboljšanju ženskih prava.
11:59
The Shura Council that's appointed by the king,
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Vijeće Shura koje je imenovano od strane kralja,
12:02
by royal decree of King Abdullah,
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kraljvskom odlukom kralja Abdullaha,
12:04
last year there were 30 women assigned to that Council,
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prošle godine preko 30 žena dodijeljeno je Vijeću,
12:08
like 20 percent.
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oko 20%.
12:10
20 percent of the Council. (Applause)
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20 posto Vijeća. (Pljesak)
12:13
The same time, finally, that Council,
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U isto vrijeme, napokon, to Vijeće,
12:15
after rejecting our petition four times for women driving,
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nakon odbacivanja naše peticije da žene voze četiri puta,
12:18
they finally accepted it last February.
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napokon su to prihvatili prošle veljače.
12:21
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
12:26
After being sent to jail
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Nakon slanja u zatvor
12:27
or sentenced lashing, or sent to a trial,
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ili bičevanja, ili slanja na sud,
12:30
the spokesperson of the traffic police said,
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glasnogovornik prometne policije je rekao,
12:32
we will only issue traffic violation for women drivers.
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samo ćemo izdati prometni prekršaj za žene koje voze.
12:37
The Grand Mufti, who is the head
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The Grand Mufti, koji je glavni
12:38
of the religious establishment in Saudi Arabia,
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za religijska utemeljenja u Saudijskoj Arabiji,
12:41
he said, it's not recommended for women to drive.
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rekao je, da nije preporučljivo da žene voze.
12:45
It used to be haram, forbidden, by the previous Grand Mufti.
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Prije je postojala zabrana, prethodnog Grand Muftija.
12:50
So for me, it's not about only these small steps.
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Za mene, ne radi se samo o malim koracima.
12:55
It's about women themselves.
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radi se o samim ženama.
12:57
A friend once asked me, she said,
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Jednom me prijateljica pitala,
12:58
"So when do you think this women driving will happen?"
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"Kada misliš da će se dogoditi to da žene voze?"
13:01
I told her, "Only if women stop asking 'When?'
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Rekla sam joj, "Samo kada žene prestanu ispitivati 'Kada?'
13:04
and take action to make it now."
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i započnu akciju da to naprave sada."
13:07
So it's not only about the system,
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Dakle, ne radi se samo o sistemu,
13:08
it's also about us women to drive our own life, I'd say.
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radi se i nama ženama, rekla sam.
13:15
So I have no clue, really, how I became an activist.
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Ne znam, zaista, kako sam postala aktivist.
13:21
And I don't know how I became one now.
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Ne znam kako sam postala jedan od njih.
13:25
But all I know, and all I'm sure of, in the future
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Ali ono što znam, i što sam sigurna, u budućnosti
13:28
when someone asks me my story,
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kada me netko pita za moju priču,
13:31
I will say, "I'm proud
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reći ću, "Ponosna sam
13:33
to be amongst those women who lifted the ban,
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što sam među ovim ženama koje su uklonile zabranu,
13:36
fought the ban, and celebrated everyone's freedom."
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borile se, i slavile slobodu svih."
13:40
So the question I started my talk with,
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Pitanje s kojim sam započela govor,
13:43
who do you think is more difficult to face,
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što mislite, s čime se teže suočiti,
13:47
oppressive governments or oppressive societies?
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tiranskom vladom ili tiranskim društvom?
13:50
I hope you find clues to answer that from my speech.
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Nadam se da ćete naći indicije za odgovor iz moga govora.
13:52
Thank you, everyone.
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Hvala vam, svima.
13:54
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
13:59
Thank you.
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Hvala.
14:02
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
14:07
Thank you. (Applause)
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Hvala. (Pljesak)
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