Bryan Stevenson: We need to talk about an injustice | TED

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Prevoditelj: Katarina Smetko Recezent: Zlatko Smetisko
Ovo mi je zaista iznimna čast.
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Well, this is a really extraordinary honor for me.
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Većinu svojeg vremena provodim
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I spend most of my time in jails, in prisons, on death row.
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u zatvorima, s osuđenima na smrt.
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I spend most of my time in very low-income communities,
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Većinu vremena provodim u vrlo siromašnim zajednicama
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in the projects and places where there's a great deal of hopelessness.
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u socijalnom smještaju i mjestima gdje vlada veliko beznađe.
Boravak ovdje na TED-u
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And being here at TED and seeing the stimulation, hearing it,
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i sva stimulacija koju vidim i čujem
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has been very, very energizing to me.
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dala mi je veliku energiju.
00:35
And one of the things that's emerged in my short time here
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Tijekom mog kratkog boravka ovdje pokazalo se
00:38
is that TED has an identity.
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da TED ima identitet.
00:41
And you can actually say things here that have impacts around the world.
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Ovdje zaista možete reći stvari
koje će imati utjecaj u cijelome svijetu.
00:45
And sometimes when it comes through TED, it has meaning and power
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Ponekad stvari koje dolaze kroz TED
imaju drugačije značenje i moć
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that it doesn't have when it doesn't.
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nego kad to nije slučaj.
00:52
And I mention that because I think identity is really important.
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To govorim jer mislim da je identitet vrlo bitan.
Bilo je fantastičnih prezentacija.
00:56
And we've had some fantastic presentations.
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Mislim da sam naučio da
00:59
And I think what we've learned is that, if you're a teacher,
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ako si učitelj, tvoje riječi mogu biti značajne,
01:02
your words can be meaningful,
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ali ako si suosjećajan učitelj,
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but if you're a compassionate teacher, they can be especially meaningful.
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onda one mogu biti naročito značajne.
Ako si liječnik, možeš raditi dobre stvari,
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If you're a doctor, you can do some good things,
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ali ako si brižan liječnik, možeš raditi i druge stvari.
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but if you're a caring doctor, you can do some other things.
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Zato vam želim govoriti o moći identiteta.
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So I want to talk about the power of identity.
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Zapravo ništa o tome nisam naučio
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And I didn't learn about this actually practicing law
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baveći se pravom i svojim poslom.
01:18
and doing the work that I do.
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O tome me naučila moja baka.
01:19
I actually learned about this from my grandmother.
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Odrastao sam u kući
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I grew up in a house that was the traditional African American home
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koja je bila tradicionalan afroamerički dom
kojim je dominirao matrijarh,
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that was dominated by a matriarch,
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01:27
and that matriarch was my grandmother.
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a to je bila moja baka.
Bila je stroga, snažna,
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She was tough, she was strong, she was powerful.
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bila je moćna.
01:34
She was the end of every argument in our family.
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Završavala je sve svađe u našoj obitelji.
01:37
(Laughter)
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01:38
She was the beginning of a lot of arguments in our family.
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Mnoge je svađe u našoj obitelji i započinjala.
01:41
(Laughter)
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Bila je kći pravih robova.
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She was the daughter of people who were actually enslaved.
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Njeni su roditelji rođeni u ropstvu u Virginiji 1840-ih godina.
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Her parents were born in slavery in Virginia in the 1840s.
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Ona je rođena 1880-ih
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She was born in the 1880s,
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i iskustvo ropstva
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and the experience of slavery
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znatno je utjecalo na njezino viđenje svijeta.
01:51
very much shaped the way she saw the world.
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01:53
And my grandmother was tough, but she was also loving.
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Moja je baka bila stroga, ali bila je i nježna.
Kad bih bio kod nje kao dječak,
01:56
When I would see her as a little boy,
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dolazila bi do mene i zagrlila me.
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she'd come up to me and give me these hugs.
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Stisnula bi me tako jako da sam jedva disao
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And she'd squeeze me so tight I could barely breathe,
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i onda bi me pustila.
02:02
and then she'd let me go.
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Sat-dva kasnije, ako sam je vidio,
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And an hour or two later, if I saw her,
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došla bi do mene i rekla: "Bryane, osjećaš li još kako te grlim?"
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she'd come over to me and say, "Bryan, do you still feel me hugging you?"
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Ako bih rekao ne, opet bi me napala,
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If I said, "No," she'd assault me again,
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a ako bih rekao da, ostavila bi me na miru.
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and if I said, "Yes," she'd leave me alone.
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Imala je tu neku osobinu
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And she just had this quality that you always wanted to be near her.
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da ste uvijek htjeli biti u njenoj blizini.
Jedini je problem bio taj što je imala desetero djece.
02:17
And the only challenge was that she had 10 children.
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02:19
My mom was the youngest of her 10 kids.
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Moja je majka bila najmlađe dijete.
02:21
And sometimes when I would go and spend time with her,
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Zato je ponekad kad bih želio provesti vrijeme s njom
bilo teško dobiti njeno vrijeme i pažnju.
02:24
it would be difficult to get her time and attention.
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Moji bi bratići i sestrične trčali posvuda uokolo.
02:26
My cousins would be running around everywhere.
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Sjećam se, kad sam imao osam ili devet godina,
02:28
And I remember, when I was about eight or nine years old,
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kako sam se jednog jutra probudio, otišao u dnevni boravak
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waking up one morning, going into the living room,
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i svi su moji bratići i sestrične trčali uokolo.
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and all of my cousins were running around.
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Moja je baka sjedila na drugom kraju sobe
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And my grandmother was sitting across the room,
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i gledala me.
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staring at me.
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Isprva sam mislio da igraju neku igru.
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And at first, I thought we were playing a game.
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Pogledao sam je i nasmiješio se,
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And I would look at her, and I'd smile, but she was very serious.
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ali ona je bila vrlo ozbiljna.
Nakon 15-20 minuta
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And after about 15 or 20 minutes of this,
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ustala je, došla s drugog kraja sobe,
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she got up and she came across the room,
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02:49
and she took me by the hand,
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primila me za ruku
02:51
and she said, "Come on, Bryan. You and I are going to have a talk."
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i rekla: "Hajde, Bryane. Idemo porazgovarati nas dvoje."
Sjećam se toga kao da je bilo jučer.
02:54
And I remember this just like it happened yesterday.
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02:57
I never will forget it.
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Nikad to neću zaboraviti.
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She took me out back and said, "Bryan, I'm going to tell you something,
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Odvela me van i rekla: "Bryane, nešto ću ti reći,
ali nemoj nikome reći što sam ti rekla."
03:03
but you don't tell anybody what I tell you."
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Rekao sam: "Dobro, bako."
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I said, "OK, Mama."
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Rekla je: "Pazi da to ne učiniš." Ja sam rekao: "Naravno."
03:06
She said, "Now, you make sure you don't do that."
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03:08
I said, "Sure."
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Zatim me posjela, pogledala me
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Then she sat me down and she looked at me,
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i rekla: "Hoću da znaš
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and she said, "I want you to know I've been watching you."
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da sam te promatrala."
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And she said, "I think you're special."
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Rekla je: "Mislim da si poseban.
03:19
She said, "I think you can do anything you want to do."
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Mislim da možeš učiniti što god poželiš."
Nikad to neću zaboraviti.
03:24
I will never forget it.
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03:26
And then she said, "I just need you to promise me three things, Bryan."
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Rekla je: "Samo mi moraš obećati tri stvari, Bryane."
Rekao sam: "Dobro, bako."
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I said, "OK, Mama."
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Rekla je: "Prvo želim da mi obećaš
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She said, "The first thing I want you to promise me
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da ćeš uvijek voljeti svoju mamu."
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is that you'll always love your mom."
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Rekla je: "Ona je moja djevojčica
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She said, "That's my baby girl,
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i moraš obećati da ćeš se uvijek brinuti za nju."
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and you have to promise me now you'll always take care of her."
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Ja sam obožavao svoju mamu pa sam rekao: "Hoću, bako."
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Well, I adored my mom, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
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Zatim je rekla: "Zatim želim da mi obećaš
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Then she said, "The second thing I want you to promise me
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da ćeš uvijek učiniti ono što je ispravno,
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is that you'll always do the right thing,
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čak i ako to bude teško."
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even when the right thing is the hard thing."
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Razmislio sam i rekao: "Hoću, bako."
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And I thought about it, and I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
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Na kraju je rekla: "Na kraju želim da mi obećaš
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Then finally, she said, "The third thing I want you to promise me
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da nikad nećeš piti alkohol."
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is that you'll never drink alcohol."
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(Smijeh)
03:59
(Laughter)
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Imao sam devet godina pa sam rekao: "Dobro, bako."
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Well, I was nine years old, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
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Odrastao sam na selu na jugu SAD-a
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I grew up in the country in the rural South,
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i imam godinu dana starijeg brata i godinu dana mlađu sestru.
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and I have a brother a year older than me and a sister a year younger.
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Kad sam imao 14 ili 15 godina,
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When I was about 14 or 15,
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one day, my brother came home and he had this six-pack of beer;
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jednog je dana moj brat došao kući i donio paket od 6 piva --
ne znam odakle mu --
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I don't know where he got it.
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uhvatio je mene i sestru i otišli smo u šumu.
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He grabbed me and my sister, and we went out in the woods,
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Ondje smo radili gluposti, kao i obično.
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and we were just out there doing the stuff we crazily did,
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On je popio malo piva i dao sestri pa je i ona popila
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and he had a sip of this beer and gave some to my sister
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i onda su ponudili i meni.
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and she had some, and they offered it to me.
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Rekao sam: "Ne, ne. Ne treba. Samo vi dajte. Ja neću piti pivo."
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I said, "No, that's OK. Y'all go ahead. I'm not going to have any."
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Moj brat je rekao: "Ma daj, to radimo danas. Uvijek radiš što i mi.
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My brother said, "Come on. We're doing this today; you always do what we do.
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I ja i sestra smo popili. Popij malo piva."
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I had some, your sister had some. Have some beer."
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Rekao sam: "Ne, ja ne bih. Vi samo dajte."
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I said, "No, I don't feel right about that. Y'all go ahead."
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Zatim je brat počeo zuriti u mene.
Rekao je: "Što je s tobom? Popij malo piva."
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And then my brother stared at me and said, "What's wrong with you? Have some beer."
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Zatim me stvarno ozbiljno pogledao i rekao:
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Then he looked at me real hard and said,
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"Ne držiš se valjda još uvijek
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"Oh, I hope you're not still hung up on that conversation Mama had with you."
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onog razgovora s bakom?"
(Smijeh)
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(Laughter)
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Rekao sam: "Ma o čemu ti to?"
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I said, "What are you talking about?"
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Rekao je: "Ma, baka svim unucima kaže da su posebni."
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He said, "Oh, Mama tells all the grandkids that they're special."
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(Smijeh)
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(Laughter)
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04:55
I was devastated.
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Bio sam shrvan.
(Smijeh)
04:58
(Laughter)
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Priznat ću vam nešto.
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And I'm going to admit something to you.
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Reći ću vam nešto što vjerojatno ne bih trebao.
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I'm going to tell you something I probably shouldn't.
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Znam da bi se ovo moglo svugdje prikazivati.
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I know this might be broadcast broadly.
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Ali imam 52 godine
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But I'm 52 years old,
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i priznat ću vam
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and I'm going to admit to you
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05:09
that I've never had a drop of alcohol.
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da nikad nisam popio ni kapi alkohola.
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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I don't say that because I think that's virtuous;
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Ne kažem to jer mislim da je to vrlina.
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I say that because there is power in identity.
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Kažem to jer mislim da je u identitetu moć.
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When we create the right kind of identity,
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Kad stvorimo pravu vrstu identiteta,
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we can say things to the world around us
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možemo ljudima oko nas govoriti stvari
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that they don't actually believe make sense.
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za koje zapravo ne vjeruju da imaju smisla.
Možemo postići da čine stvari
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We can get them to do things that they don't think they can do.
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za koje ne misle da mogu učiniti.
Kad razmišljam o svojoj baki,
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When I thought about my grandmother,
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naravno da je mislila da je sva njena unučad posebna.
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of course she would think all her grandkids were special.
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Moj je djed bio u zatvoru tijekom prohibicije.
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My grandfather was in prison during prohibition.
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Moji su ujaci i stričevi umrli od bolesti povezanih s alkoholom.
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My male uncles died of alcohol-related diseases.
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Ona je mislila da na te stvari trebamo obratiti pozornost.
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And these were the things she thought we needed to commit to.
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Pokušavam reći nešto
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Well, I've been trying to say something about our criminal justice system.
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o našem kaznenopravnom sustavu.
Danas je ova zemlja drugačija
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This country is very different today than it was 40 years ago.
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nego prije 40 godina.
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In 1972, there were 300,000 people in jails and prisons.
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1972. godine bilo je 300.000 ljudi u kaznionicama i zatvorima.
Danas ih je 2,3 milijuna.
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Today, there are 2.3 million.
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05:59
The United States now has the highest rate of incarceration
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SAD ima najveći postotak populacije u zatvoru
na svijetu.
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in the world.
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We have seven million people on probation and parole.
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Imamo 7 milijuna ljudi na uvjetnoj slobodi.
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And mass incarceration, in my judgment,
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Masovno zatvaranje, po mojem mišljenju,
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has fundamentally changed our world.
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temeljito je promijenilo svijet.
U siromašnim zajednicama obojenih rasa
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In poor communities, in communities of color,
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vlada očaj,
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there is this despair,
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vlada beznađe,
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there is this hopelessness
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that is being shaped by these outcomes.
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koje uzrokuju te činjenice.
Jedan od trojice crnaca
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One out of three Black men between the ages of 18 and 30
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u dobi između 18 i 30 godina
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is in jail, in prison, on probation or parole.
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u kaznionici je, zatvoru ili je uvjetno pušten.
U gradskim zajednicama u cijeloj zemlji --
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In urban communities across this country --
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u Los Angelesu, Philadelphiji, Baltimoreu, Washingtonu --
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Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington --
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50 do 60 posto mladih crnaca
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50 to 60 percent of all young men of color
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u kaznionici su ili zatvoru ili su uvjetno pušteni.
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are in jail or prison
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or on probation or parole.
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Naš sustav ne oblikuju
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Our system isn't just being shaped in these ways
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samo ove nepravilnosti povezane s rasom,
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that seem to be distorting around race,
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već i one povezane sa siromaštvom.
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they're also distorted by poverty.
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U ovoj zemlji imamo pravni sustav
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We have a system of justice in this country
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koji se prema vama odnosi mnogo bolje
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that treats you much better if you're rich and guilty
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ako ste bogati i krivi nego ako ste siromašni i nevini.
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than if you're poor and innocent.
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Bogatstvo, a ne krivnja,
06:53
Wealth, not culpability, shapes outcomes.
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utječe na rezultate.
06:57
And yet, we seem to be very comfortable.
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A ipak se čini da nemamo ništa protiv.
Politika straha i gnjeva
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The politics of fear and anger have made us believe
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uvjerila nas je
07:04
that these are problems that are not our problems.
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da to nisu naši problemi.
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We've been disconnected.
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Izgubili smo povezanost.
To mi je zanimljivo.
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It's interesting to me.
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07:11
We're looking at some very interesting developments in our work.
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U mojem poslu dolazi do zanimljivih promjena.
Moja država, Alabama, kao i brojne druge,
07:14
My state of Alabama, like a number of states,
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trajno oduzima pravo glasanja
07:16
actually permanently disenfranchises you if you have a criminal conviction.
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ako ste osuđeni za kazneno djelo.
Trenutno u Alabami ima
07:20
Right now in Alabama,
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34 percent of the Black male population has permanently lost the right to vote.
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34% muške crnačke populacije
koji su trajno izgubili pravo glasanja.
Predviđamo da će u idućih 10 godina
07:26
We're actually projecting that in another 10 years,
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postotak populacije bez prava glasanja
07:29
the level of disenfranchisement will be as high as it's been
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dostići razinu
07:31
since prior to the passage of the Voting Rights Act.
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kao prije nego je izglasan zakon o pravu glasanja.
A svi ipak šute.
07:34
And there is this stunning silence.
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Zastupam i djecu.
07:38
I represent children.
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Mnogi su moji klijenti vrlo mladi.
07:40
A lot of my clients are very young.
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07:41
The United States is the only country in the world
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SAD je jedina zemlja na svijetu
gdje se 13-godišnja djeca osuđuju
07:44
where we sentence 13-year-old children
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na smrt u zatvoru.
07:46
to die in prison.
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07:47
We have life imprisonment without parole for kids in this country.
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Djeca u ovoj zemlji mogu dobiti doživotni zatvor bez mogućnosti pomilovanja.
U tijeku je nekoliko takvih parnica.
07:51
And we're actually doing some litigation.
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Jedina takva zemlja na svijetu.
07:53
The only country in the world.
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Zastupam i ljude osuđene na smrt.
07:55
I represent people on death row.
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07:56
It's interesting, this question of the death penalty.
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Zanimljivo je to pitanje smrtne kazne.
Velikim smo dijelom naučeni misliti
07:59
In many ways, we've been taught to think that the real question is:
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da je pravo pitanje
zaslužuju li ljudi umrijeti zbog zločina koje su počinili?
08:03
Do people deserve to die for the crimes they've committed?
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08:05
And that's a very sensible question.
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I to je sasvim razumno pitanje.
No, postoji i drugi način razmišljanja
08:08
But there's another way of thinking about where we are in our identity.
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o našem identitetu.
Taj drugi način
08:12
The other way of thinking about it is not:
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nije zaslužuju li ljudi umrijeti zbog zločina koje su počinili,
08:14
Do people deserve to die for the crimes they commit?,
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već zalužujemo li mi ubiti?
08:16
but: Do we deserve to kill?
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To je fascinantno.
08:19
I mean, it's fascinating.
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Smrtna kazna u SAD-u definira se pogreškom.
08:20
Death penalty in America is defined by error.
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08:22
For every nine people who have been executed,
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Na svakih devet smaknutih ljudi,
08:24
we've actually identified one innocent person
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identificirana je jedna nevina osoba
koja je puštena i oslobođena smrtne kazne.
08:27
who's been exonerated and released from death row.
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Zapanjujuć postotak pogreške --
08:30
A kind of astonishing error rate --
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jedna od devet osoba je nevina.
08:33
one out of nine people, innocent.
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Zaista je fascinantno.
08:36
I mean, it's fascinating.
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Nikad ne bismo dopustili ljudima da lete avionom
08:38
In aviation, we would never let people fly on airplanes
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08:40
if, for every nine planes that took off,
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kad bi se za svakih devet aviona koji polete
08:42
one would crash.
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jedan srušio.
08:43
(Laughter)
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08:44
But somehow, we can insulate ourselves from this problem.
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Ali nekako se uspijevamo izolirati od ovog problema.
To nije naš problem.
08:48
It's not our problem.
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08:49
It's not our burden.
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To nije naš teret.
08:51
It's not our struggle.
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To nije naša borba.
08:53
I talk a lot about these issues.
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Mnogo govorim o tim problemima.
08:55
I talk about race
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Govorim o rasi i tom pitanju --
08:57
and this question of whether we deserve to kill.
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zaslužujemo li ubiti.
08:59
And it's interesting,
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Zanimljivo, kad poučavam svoje studente o afroameričkoj povijesti,
09:00
when I teach my students about African American history,
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govorim im o ropstvu.
09:03
I tell them about slavery.
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Govorim im o terorizmu,
09:04
I tell them about terrorism,
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o eri koja je počela krajem 19. stoljeća
09:06
the era that began at the end of reconstruction
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i trajala do 2. svjetskog rata.
09:08
that went on to World War II.
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09:09
We don't really know very much about it.
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Ne znamo mnogo o tome.
09:11
But for African Americans in this country,
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No, za Afroamerikance u ovoj zemlji,
09:13
that was an era defined by terror.
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to je razdoblje obilježeno terorom.
U mnogim su zajednicama ljudi strahovali da će biti linčovani.
09:16
In many communities, people had to worry about being lynched.
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Bojali su se da će ih bombardirati.
09:19
They had to worry about being bombed.
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Prijetnja terora oblikovala je njihove živote.
09:20
It was the threat of terror that shaped their lives.
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Stariji ljudi mi sada prilaze
09:23
And these older people come up to me now and say,
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i kažu: "G. Stevenson, vi držite govore,
09:25
"Mr. Stevenson, you give talks, you make speeches,
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recite ljudima da prestanu govoriti
09:28
you tell people to stop saying we're dealing with terrorism
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da se suočavamo s terorizmom po prvi put u povijesti našeg naroda
09:31
for the first time in our nation's history after 9/11."
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nakon 11. rujna."
09:33
They tell me to say, "No, tell them that we grew up with that."
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Kažu mi: "Ne, recite im da smo mi odrasli uz to."
Nakon te ere terorizma, naravno,
09:37
And that era of terrorism, of course, was followed by segregation
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slijedila je segregacija
i desetljeća rasne potčinjenosti
09:41
and decades of racial subordination
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i apartheida.
09:43
and apartheid.
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A ipak, u ovoj zemlji postoji ta dinamika
09:45
And yet, we have in this country
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09:47
this dynamic where we really don't like to talk about our problems.
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da baš i ne volimo govoriti o svojim problemima.
Ne volimo govoriti o svojoj prošlosti.
09:51
We don't like to talk about our history.
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09:53
And because of that, we really haven't understood
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Zbog toga zaista nismo shvatili
09:56
what it's meant to do the things we've done historically.
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pravo značenje stvari koje smo radili u prošlosti.
Neprestano se zalijećemo jedni u druge.
10:00
We're constantly running into each other.
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Neprestano stvaramo napetosti i sukobe.
10:02
We're constantly creating tensions and conflicts.
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Teško nam je govoriti o rasi
10:04
We have a hard time talking about race,
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i mislim da je to stoga što se nismo voljni posvetiti
10:07
and I believe it's because we are unwilling to commit ourselves
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10:10
to a process of truth and reconciliation.
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procesu istine i pomirenja.
10:12
In South Africa,
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U Južnoj Africi ljudi su shvatili
10:14
people understood that we couldn't overcome apartheid
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da nismo mogli prevladati apartheid
bez posvećenosti istini i pomirenju.
10:17
without a commitment to truth and reconciliation.
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U Ruandi je čak i nakon genocida postojala ta posvećenost,
10:19
In Rwanda, even after the genocide, there was this commitment.
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ali u ovoj zemlji nije.
10:22
But in this country, we haven't done that.
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U Njemačkoj sam održao nekoliko predavanja o smrtnoj kazni.
10:24
I was giving some lectures in Germany about the death penalty.
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Bilo je fascinantno
10:27
It was fascinating,
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jer je jedna od znanstvenica ustala nakon prezentacije
10:29
because one of the scholars stood up after the presentation
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i rekla: "Znate da je duboko uznemirujuće
10:32
and said, "Well, you know, it's deeply troubling
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čuti to o čemu govorite."
10:34
to hear what you're talking about."
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Rekla je: "U Njemačkoj nema smrtne kazne.
10:36
He said, "We don't have the death penalty in Germany,
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10:38
and of course, we can never have the death penalty in Germany."
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Naravno, nikad nećemo ni moći imati smrtnu kaznu u Njemačkoj."
Prostorija je utihnula
10:42
And the room got very quiet,
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10:43
and this woman said,
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i ta je žena rekla:
10:45
"There's no way, with our history,
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"S obzirom na našu povijest, nema šanse
da bismo se ikad mogli upustiti
10:49
we could ever engage in the systematic killing of human beings.
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u sustavno ubijanje ljudskih bića.
Za nas bi bilo nezamislivo
10:53
It would be unconscionable for us
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da svjesno i namjerno
10:57
to, in an intentional and deliberate way,
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počnemo pogubljivati ljude."
10:59
set about executing people."
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Razmislio sam o tome.
11:02
And I thought about that.
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Kakav bi bio osjećaj
11:04
What would it feel like to be living in a world
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živjeti na svijetu
11:07
where the nation-state of Germany was executing people,
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gdje Njemačka pogubljuje ljude,
11:10
especially if they were disproportionately Jewish?
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pogotovo ako je među njima nesrazmjerno mnogo židova?
Nisam to mogao podnijeti.
11:13
I couldn't bear it.
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11:14
It would be unconscionable.
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Bilo bi nepodnošljivo.
11:16
And yet, in this country,
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Pa ipak, u ovoj zemlji,
u starim južnjačkim državama,
11:19
in the states of the Old South,
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pogubljujemo ljude --
11:21
we execute people --
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i imate 11 puta veće šanse dobiti smrtnu kaznu
11:23
where you're 11 times more likely to get the death penalty
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ako je žrtva bijela nego ako je crna,
11:25
if the victim is white than if the victim is Black,
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a 22 puta veće šanse
11:28
22 times more likely to get it
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ako je optuženi crnac, a žrtva bijela --
11:29
if the defendant is Black and the victim is white --
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i to u državama gdje su zakopana
11:32
in the very states where there are, buried in the ground,
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tijela linčovanih ljudi.
11:34
the bodies of people who were lynched.
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A ipak se oglušujemo.
11:36
And yet, there is this disconnect.
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Mislim da stavljamo svoj identitet na kocku.
11:39
Well, I believe that our identity is at risk,
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Iako nam baš i nije stalo
11:43
that when we actually don't care about these difficult things,
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do ovih teških stvari,
pozitivne i prekrasne stvari
11:49
the positive and wonderful things are nonetheless implicated.
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ipak su u to umiješane.
11:53
We love innovation.
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Mi volimo inovacije.
11:55
We love technology. We love creativity.
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Volimo tehnologiju. Volimo kreativnost.
11:58
We love entertainment.
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Volimo zabavu.
No na kraju,
12:01
But ultimately,
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ta su postignuća
12:03
those realities are shadowed by suffering,
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zasjenjena patnjom,
12:07
abuse, degradation,
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zlostavljanjem, ponižavanjem,
marginalizacijom.
12:10
marginalization.
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Mislim da je postalo nužno
12:12
And for me, it becomes necessary to integrate the two,
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integrirati to dvoje.
Radi se, na kraju krajeva,
12:16
because ultimately, we are talking about a need to be more hopeful,
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o potrebi da se više nadamo,
da se više damo i posvetimo
12:20
more committed, more dedicated
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12:22
to the basic challenges of living in a complex world.
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temeljnim izazovima života u složenome svijetu.
Za mene to znači
12:26
And for me, that means
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razmišljanje i razgovaranje
12:29
spending time thinking and talking about the poor, the disadvantaged,
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o siromašnima, obespravljenima,
12:33
those who will never get to TED,
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onima koji nikad neće uspjeti doći na TED.
No, treba razmišljati o njima na način
12:36
but thinking about them in a way that is integrated in our own lives.
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koji je integriran u naše živote.
Na kraju, svi moramo vjerovati u stvari koje nismo vidjeli.
12:40
You know, ultimately, we all have to believe things we haven't seen.
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12:43
We do.
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Moramo. Koliko god bili racionalni, koliko se god pozivali na intelekt.
12:45
As rational as we are, as committed to intellect as we are,
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12:47
innovation, creativity, development
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Inovacije, kreativnost,
i razvitak ne nastaju
12:50
comes not from the ideas in our mind alone.
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samo iz ideja u našem umu.
Nastaju iz ideja u našem umu
12:54
They come from the ideas in our mind
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12:56
that are also fueled by some conviction in our heart.
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koje ujedno potiče
neko uvjerenje u našem srcu.
13:00
And it's that mind-heart connection that I believe compels us
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Vjerujem da ta povezanost uma i srca
primorava nas
ne samo da primjećujemo
13:05
to not just be attentive to all the bright and dazzly things,
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sve sjajne i privlačne stvari,
već i na mračne i teške stvari.
13:10
but also the dark and difficult things.
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Vaclav Havel, veliki češki vođa, govorio je o tome.
13:13
Václav Havel, the great Czech leader, talked about this.
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13:15
He said, "When we were in Eastern Europe and dealing with oppression,
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Rekao je: "Kad smo ovdje u istočnoj Europi bili potlačeni,
željeli smo razne stvari,
13:19
we wanted all kinds of things.
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13:20
But mostly what we needed was hope,
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ali ponajviše smo trebali nadu,
13:22
an orientation of the spirit,
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usmjerenost duha,
13:24
a willingness to sometimes be in hopeless places
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voljnost da ponekad budemo na beznadnom mjestu
i budemo svjedoci."
13:27
and be a witness."
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13:28
Well, that orientation of the spirit is very much at the core of what I believe
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Ta usmjerenost duha
u samoj je srži onoga u što vjerujem
da se čak i TED zajednice
13:34
even TED communities have to be engaged in.
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moraju uključiti.
Ne postoji štit
13:38
There is no disconnect around technology and design
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oko tehnologije i dizajna
13:42
that will allow us to be fully human
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koji će nam omogućiti potpunu ljudskost
dok ne obratim pažnju na patnju,
13:45
until we pay attention to suffering,
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13:47
to poverty, to exclusion, to unfairness, to injustice.
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siromaštvo, isključenost, nepoštenost, nepravdu.
Upozorit ću vas
13:51
Now, I will warn you
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13:52
that this kind of identity is a much more challenging identity
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da je ta vrsta identiteta
mnogo zahtjevnija
13:57
than ones that don't pay attention to this.
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od onih koji ne obraćaju pažnju na to.
Dotući će vas.
14:00
It will get to you.
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14:01
I had the great privilege, when I was a young lawyer,
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Dok sam bio mladi odvjetnik, imao sam veliku privilegiju upoznati Rosu Parks.
14:04
of meeting Rosa Parks.
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Gđa Parks svako bi se toliko vratila u Montgomery
14:05
And Ms. Parks used to come back to Montgomery every now and then,
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i družila se sa svoje dvije najbolje prijateljice,
14:08
and she would get together with two of her dearest friends,
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starije žene,
14:11
these older women,
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Johnnie Carr, koja je bila organizatorica
14:12
Johnnie Carr, who was the organizer of the Montgomery bus boycott --
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bojkota autobusa u Montgomeryju --
fascinantna Afroamerikanka --
14:16
amazing African American woman --
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14:17
and Virginia Durr, a white woman,
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i Virginijom Durr, bjelkinjom
14:19
whose husband, Clifford Durr, represented Dr. King.
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čiji je suprug, Clifford Durr, zastupao dr. Kinga.
One bi se skupile i samo razgovarale.
14:22
And these women would get together and just talk.
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14:24
And every now and then Ms. Carr would call me,
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Povremeno bi me nazvala gđa Carr
14:26
and she'd say, "Bryan, Ms. Parks is coming to town.
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i rekla: "Bryane, gđa Parks dolazi u grad. Sastat ćemo se i razgovarati.
14:29
We're going to get together and talk. Do you want to come over and listen?"
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Želiš li doći i slušati?"
A ja bih rekao: "Da, gospođo, želim."
14:32
And I'd say, "Yes, ma'am, I do."
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Rekla bi: "Što ćeš raditi kad dođeš ovamo?"
14:34
She'd say, "What are you going to do when you get here?"
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Odgovorio sam: "Slušat ću."
14:37
I said, "I'm going to listen."
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I otišao bih onamo i samo slušao.
14:38
And I'd go over there and I would, I'd just listen.
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To bi me toliko osnažilo i dalo mi energiju.
14:40
It would be so energizing and so empowering.
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Jednom kad sam ih tako slušao,
14:43
And one time I was over there listening to these women talk,
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nakon nekoliko sati gđa Parks okrenula se prema meni
14:45
and after a couple of hours, Ms. Parks turned to me and said,
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i rekla: "No, Bryane, reci mi što je Inicijativa za jednaku pravdu.
14:48
"Bryan, tell me what the Equal Justice Initiative is.
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Reci mi što želiš postići."
14:51
Tell me what you're trying to do."
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Počeo sam sa svojim uobičajenim govorom.
14:52
And I began giving her my rap.
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Rekao sam: "Nastojimo upozoriti na nepravdu.
14:54
"We're trying to challenge injustice.
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Pokušavamo pomoći ljudima koji su nepravedno osuđeni.
14:56
We're trying to help people who have been wrongly convicted.
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Želimo se suočiti s pristranošću i diskriminacijom
14:59
We're trying to confront bias and discrimination
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u administraciji kaznenog prava.
15:01
in the administration of criminal justice.
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Želimo ukidanje doživotnih kazni bez mogućnosti pomilovanja za djecu.
15:03
We're trying to end life without parole sentences for children.
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Želimo učiniti nešto po pitanju smrtne kazne.
15:06
We're trying to do something about the death penalty.
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Nastojimo smanjiti broj ljudi u zatvorima.
15:08
We're trying to reduce the prison population.
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Želimo zaustaviti masovno zatvaranje."
Sve sam joj izrecitirao, a kad sam završio, pogledala me
15:11
We're trying to end mass incarceration."
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15:12
I gave her my whole rap, and when I finished she looked at me
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i rekla: "Mmm mmm mmm."
15:15
and she said, "Mmm mmm mmm.
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Rekla je: "To će te umoriti, umoriti, umoriti."
15:17
That's going to make you tired, tired, tired."
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(Smijeh)
15:19
(Laughter)
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15:20
And that's when Ms. Carr leaned forward, she put her finger in my face,
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Tada se gđa Carr nagnula i zaprijetila mi prstom
te rekla: "Zato moraš biti hrabar, hrabar, hrabar."
15:24
she said, "That's why you've got to be brave, brave, brave."
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Zaista vjerujem da TED zajednica
15:29
And I actually believe that the TED community
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15:31
needs to be more courageous.
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mora biti hrabrija.
Moramo pronaći načine
15:34
We need to find ways to embrace these challenges,
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prihvaćanja tih izazova,
tih problema, te patnje.
15:38
these problems, the suffering.
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Naša ljudskost ovisi, na kraju,
15:40
Because ultimately, our humanity depends on everyone's humanity.
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o ljudskosti svih ostalih.
15:44
I've learned very simple things doing the work that I do.
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Baveći se ovim poslom naučio sam vrlo jednostavne stvari.
Posao me naučio vrlo jednostavnim stvarima.
15:47
It's just taught me very simple things.
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Sada shvaćam i vjerujem
15:49
I've come to understand and to believe
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da nitko od nas
15:52
that each of us is more than the worst thing we've ever done.
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nije samo ono najgore što je ikad učinio.
15:55
I believe that for every person on the planet.
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Vjerujem da je tako sa svakom osobom na planetu.
Mislim da, ako netko kaže laž, nije samo lažljivac.
15:59
I think if somebody tells a lie, they're not just a liar.
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Mislim da, ako netko uzme nešto što mu ne pripada,
16:02
I think if somebody takes something that doesn't belong to them,
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nije samo lopov.
16:05
they're not just a thief.
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Mislim da, čak i ako ubiješ nekoga, nisi samo ubojica.
16:06
I think even if you kill someone, you're not just a killer.
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Zbog toga postoji temeljno ljudsko dostojanstvo
16:09
And because of that, there's this basic human dignity
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koje zakon mora poštovati.
16:12
that must be respected by law.
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Također vjerujem
16:14
I also believe
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da u mnogim dijelovima ove zemlje,
16:16
that in many parts of this country,
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a svakako i u mnogim dijelovima svijeta,
16:18
and certainly in many parts of this globe,
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16:21
that the opposite of poverty is not wealth.
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suprotno od siromaštva nije bogatstvo.
Ne mislim to.
16:25
I don't believe that.
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Zapravo mislim da je i na previše mjesta
16:26
I actually think, in too many places,
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suprotno od siromaštva pravda.
16:29
the opposite of poverty is justice.
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Na kraju, mislim da,
16:32
And finally, I believe
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unatoč činjenici da je to tako dramatično
16:35
that, despite the fact that it is so dramatic and so beautiful
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i predivno i nadahnjuje nas
16:38
and so inspiring and so stimulating,
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i stimulira,
16:41
we will ultimately not be judged by our technology,
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na kraju nam neće suditi naša tehnologija,
neće nam suditi naš dizajn,
16:45
we won't be judged by our design,
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16:47
we won't be judged by our intellect and reason.
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neće nam suditi prema našem intelektu i razumu.
16:50
Ultimately, you judge the character of a society
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Karakter društva ne prosuđuje se, na kraju,
16:53
not by how they treat their rich and the powerful and the privileged,
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prema tome kako se odnosti prema bogatima i moćnima i privilegiranima,
već prema tome kako se odnosi prema siromašnima,
16:57
but by how they treat the poor,
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16:58
the condemned,
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osuđenima, zatvorenima.
17:00
the incarcerated.
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U toj povezanosti
17:01
Because it's in that nexus
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zapravo počinjemo duboko shvaćati
17:03
that we actually begin to understand truly profound things
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tko smo.
17:06
about who we are.
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17:09
I sometimes get out of balance.
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Ponekad me to izbaci iz ravnoteže. Završit ću s ovom pričom.
17:11
I'll end with this story.
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Ponekad pretjeram.
17:12
I sometimes push too hard.
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17:13
I do get tired, as we all do.
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Umorim se, kao i svi.
Ponekad te ideje stanu ispred razmišljanja
17:16
Sometimes those ideas get ahead of our thinking
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na načine koji su bitni.
17:19
in ways that are important.
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Ja zastupam djecu
17:21
And I've been representing these kids
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koja su osuđena na vrlo stroge kazne.
17:23
who have been sentenced to these very harsh sentences.
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Odlazim u zatvor svojem klijentu koji ima 13 ili 14 g.,
17:25
And I go to the jail and I see my client, who's 13 and 14,
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a određeno je da ćemu se suditi kao odraslome.
17:28
and he's been certified to stand trial as an adult.
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17:30
I start thinking, well, how did that happen?
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Počinjem razmišljati kako je došlo do toga.
Kako te sudac može pretvoriti
17:33
How can a judge turn you into something that you're not?
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u nešto što nisi?
17:36
And the judge has certified him as an adult, but I see this kid.
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Sudac ga smatra odraslim, ali ja vidim dijete.
17:39
And I was up too late one night and I started thinking,
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Jedne sam noći predugo bio budan i razmišljao,
Bože, ako te sudac može pretvoriti u nešto što nisi,
17:42
well, if the judge can turn you into something you're not,
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sigurno ima čarobne moći.
17:45
the judge must have magic power.
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Da, Bryane, sudac ima čarobne moći.
17:46
Yeah, Bryan, the judge has some magic power.
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17:48
You should ask for some of that.
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I tebi bi to dobro došlo.
17:50
And because I was up too late and wasn't thinking real straight,
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Budući da sam bio budan prekasno, nisam razmišljao bistre glave
i počeo sam raditi na podnesku.
17:53
I started working on a motion.
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Imao sam klijenta koji je imao 14 godina i bio siromašno crno dijete.
17:55
I had a client who was 14 years old, a young, poor Black kid.
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Počeo sam raditi na podnesku
17:58
And I started working on this motion, and the head of the motion was:
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čiji je naslov bio: "Podnesak da se
18:01
"Motion to try my poor, 14-year-old Black male client
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mojem siromašnom 14-godišnjem crnom muškom klijentu
sudi kao privilegiranom, bijelom 75-godišnjem
18:04
like a privileged, white, 75-year-old corporate executive."
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izvršnom direktoru."
18:07
(Laughter)
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(Pljesak)
18:08
(Applause and cheers)
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U svoj sam podnesak uključio
18:13
And I put in my motion that there was prosecutorial misconduct
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da je bilo nepravilnosti od strane tužitelja, policije i suda.
18:16
and police misconduct and judicial misconduct.
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Bila je tu i rečenica kako u ovoj zemlji ni nema pravilnog postupanja,
18:18
There was a crazy line in there
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18:19
about how there's no conduct in this county, it's all misconduct.
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sve su nepravilnosti.
Sljedećeg sam se jutra probudio i mislio jesam li sanjao taj ludi podnesak
18:22
And the next morning, I woke up and I thought,
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ili sam ga stvarno napisao?
18:25
now, did I dream that crazy motion, or did I actually write it?
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U šoku sam otkrio da ne samo da sam ga napisao,
18:28
And to my horror, not only had I written it,
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nego sam ga i poslao na sud.
18:30
but I had sent it to court.
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(Pljesak)
18:31
(Applause)
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Prošlo je nekoliko mjeseci
18:34
A couple months went by,
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18:36
and I just had forgotten all about it.
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i potpuno sam zaboravio na to.
Na kraju sam odlučio
18:39
And I finally decided,
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da moram otići na sud i riješiti taj ludi slučaj.
18:41
"Gosh, I've got to go to the court and do this crazy case."
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Ušao sam u auto
18:43
And I got in my car, and I was feeling really overwhelmed -- overwhelmed.
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i osjećao sam se zaista preplavljeno.
Ušao sam u auto i odvezao se do sudnice.
18:47
And I got in my car and went to this courthouse.
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Mislio sam kako će to biti vrlo teško i bolno.
18:49
And I was thinking, this is going to be so difficult, so painful.
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Natjerao sam se da iziđem iz auta i krenem prema sudnici.
18:52
And I finally got out of the car and started walking up to the courthouse.
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Dok sam se penjao stepenicama,
18:56
And as I was walking up the steps,
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vidio sam starijeg crnca koji je bio domar u sudnici.
18:57
there was an older Black man who was the janitor in this courthouse.
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Kad me vidio, prišao mi je
19:01
When this man saw me, he came over and said, "Who are you?"
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i rekao: "Tko si ti?"
Rekao sam: "Odvjetnik sam." Rekao je: "Odvjetnik?" Odgovorio sam: "Tako je."
19:04
I said, "I'm a lawyer." He said, "You're a lawyer?" I said, "Yes, sir."
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Zatim mi je prišao
19:07
And this man came over to me, and he hugged me.
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i zagrlio me.
19:10
And he whispered in my ear.
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Šapnuo mi je u uho:
19:12
He said, "I'm so proud of you."
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"Tako sam ponosan na tebe."
Moram vam priznati
19:15
And I have to tell you, it was energizing.
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da mi je to dalo energiju.
19:18
It connected deeply with something in me
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Duboko se u meni povezalo
s identitetom,
19:21
about identity,
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19:22
about the capacity of every person to contribute to community,
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sa sposobnošću svake osobe da doprinese
zajednici, perspektivi u kojoj ima nade.
19:26
to a perspective that is hopeful.
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Dakle, ušao sam u sudnicu.
19:28
Well, I went into the courtroom.
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Čim sam ušao, sudac me primijetio.
19:30
And as soon as I walked in, the judge saw me coming.
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Rekao je: "G. Stevenson, jeste li Vi napisali ovaj ludi podnesak?"
19:32
He said, "Mr. Stevenson, did you write this crazy motion?"
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Rekao sam: "Da, jesam." Počeli smo se prepirati.
19:35
I said, "Yes, sir. I did." And we started arguing.
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Ljudi su počeli ulaziti jer su bilo šokirani.
19:38
And people started coming in,
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Napisao sam lude stvari.
19:39
just outraged I'd written these crazy things.
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Ulazili su policajci,
19:41
And police officers were coming in
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pomoćnici tužitelja i činovnici.
19:43
and assistant prosecutors and clerk workers.
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Sudnica je u tren oka bila puna ljudi
19:45
Before I knew it, the courtroom was filled with people
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ljutih što govorimo o rasi,
19:48
angry that we were talking about race,
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što govorimo o siromaštvu,
19:49
that we were talking about poverty, talking about inequality.
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što govorimo o nejednakosti.
Krajičkom oka vidio sam domara kako korača amo-tamo.
19:53
And out of the corner of my eye, I could see this janitor pacing back and forth.
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Pogledavao je kroz prozor i čuo svu tu dernjavu.
19:57
He kept looking through the window and could hear all the holler.
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Neprestano je koračao amo-tamo.
Na kraju je taj stari crnac sa zabrinutim izrazom lica
20:00
And finally, this older Black man with a very worried look on his face
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ušao u sudnicu i sjeo iza mene,
20:03
came into the courtroom and sat behind me, almost at counsel table.
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gotovo za odvjetničkim stolom.
20:07
Ten minutes later, the judge said we'd take a break.
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Nakon desetak minuta, sudac je odredio pauzu.
Tijekom pauze vidio sam zamjenika šerifa koji je bio uvrijeđen
20:10
During the break, there was a deputy sheriff who was offended
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što je domar ušao u sudnicu.
20:13
that the janitor had come into court.
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Taj je zamjenik naglo ustao i otrčao do tog starog crnca.
20:15
The deputy jumped up and ran over to this older Black man.
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Rekao je: "Jimmy, što radiš u ovoj sudnici?"
20:17
He said, "Jimmy, what are you doing in this courtroom?"
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Starac je ustao,
20:20
And this older Black man stood up and looked at that deputy
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pogledao zamjenika šerifa pa mene
20:23
and he looked at me,
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i rekao: "Došao sam u sudnicu
20:24
and he said, "I came into this courtroom to tell this young man,
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kako bih ovom mladiću rekao
da se usredotoči na cilj, da izdrži."
20:29
'Keep your eyes on the prize, hold on.'"
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Došao sam na TED
20:32
I've come to TED
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20:33
because I believe that many of you understand
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jer vjerujem da mnogi od vas shvaćaju
da je moralni luk svemira dug,
20:36
that the moral arc of the universe is long,
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ali naginje se prema pravdi.
20:38
but it bends toward justice;
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Ne možemo potpuno evoluirati kao ljudska bića
20:40
that we cannot be full, evolved human beings
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dok ne počnemo brinuti za ljudska prava i temeljno dostojanstvo.
20:43
until we care about human rights and basic dignity;
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20:45
that all of our survival is tied to the survival of everyone;
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Preživljavanje svih nas
povezano je s preživljavanjem svih ostalih.
20:49
that our visions of technology and design
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Naše vizije tehnologije i dizajna
i zabave i kreativnosti
20:52
and entertainment and creativity
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moraju se povezati s vizijama
20:54
have to be married with visions of humanity, compassion and justice.
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ljudskosti, suosjećanja i pravde.
A najviše od svega,
20:59
And more than anything, for those of you who share that,
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vama koji već tako razmišljate
21:02
I've simply come to tell you
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došao sam reći
21:04
to keep your eyes on the prize, hold on.
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da se usredotočite na cilj i izdržite.
Hvala vam puno.
21:07
Thank you very much.
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21:08
(Applause and cheers)
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(Pljesak)
21:28
Chris Anderson: Brian, so you heard and saw
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Chris Anderson: Vidio si i čuo
21:31
an obvious desire by this audience, this community,
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da ova publika, odnosno zajednica, ima veliku želju
21:34
to help you on your way and to do something on this issue.
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pomoći ti da učiniš nešto po ovom pitanju.
21:37
Other than writing a check,
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Osim doniranja novca,
što još možemo učiniti?
21:40
what could we do?
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21:42
BS: Well, there are opportunities all around us.
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BS: Prilike su svugdje oko nas.
21:44
If you live in the state of California, for example,
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Ako, primjerice, živite u Kaliforniji,
na proljeće će biti referendum
21:47
there's a referendum coming up this spring
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kojim će se pokušati
21:49
where there's going to be an effort to redirect some of the money we spend
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preusmjeriti dio novca koji trošimo na politiku kažnjavanja.
21:53
on the politics of punishment.
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Na primjer, ovdje u Kaliforniji
21:54
For example, here in California,
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potrošit ćemo milijardu dolara
21:56
we're going to spend one billion dollars
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na smrtnu kaznu u idućih pet godina --
21:58
on the death penalty in the next five years --
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milijardu dolara.
22:00
one billion dollars.
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22:02
And yet, 46 percent of all homicide cases don't result in arrest,
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A ipak, 46% slučajeva ubojstva
ne završi uhićenjem.
22:06
56 percent of all rape cases don't result.
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Isto tako i 56% slučajeva silovanja.
Tu je, dakle, prilika za promjenu.
22:09
So there's an opportunity to change that.
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Taj će referendum predložiti preusmjerenje tih dolara
22:11
And this referendum would propose
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22:12
having those dollars go to law enforcement and safety.
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u policiju i sigurnost.
Mislim da ta prilika postoji svugdje oko nas.
22:16
And I think that opportunity exists all around us.
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CA: Došlo je do velikog opadanja
22:18
CA: There's been this huge decline in crime in America
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stope zločina u Americi u posljednja tri desetljeća.
22:22
over the last three decades.
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Jedno od objašnjenja
22:23
And part of the narrative of that
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22:25
is sometimes that it's about increased incarceration rates.
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ponekad je da je to zbog povećanog broja zatvorenika.
Što biste rekli nekome tko tako misli?
22:29
What would you say to someone who believed that?
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BS: Stopa nasilnih zločina
22:31
BS: Well, actually, the violent crime rate has remained relatively stable.
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zapravo je relativno stabilna.
Velik porast broja zatvorenika u ovoj zemlji
22:35
The great increase in mass incarceration in this country
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zapravo nije u kategoriji nasilnih zločina.
22:37
wasn't really in violent crime categories.
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Tu se radi u promašenom ratu protiv droge.
22:40
It was this misguided war on drugs.
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That's where the dramatic increases have come
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Odatle taj dramatičan porast
22:43
in our prison population.
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broja zatvorenika.
22:45
(Applause)
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And we got carried away with the rhetoric of punishment.
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Zanijeli smo se retorikom kažnjavanja.
22:49
And so we have "Three Strikes" laws
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Tako imamo zakone o tri pogreške
22:51
that put people in prison forever
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koji ljude zauvijek šalju u zatvor
22:53
for stealing a bicycle, for low-level property crimes,
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zbog krađe bicikla, zbog sitnih zločina protiv vlasništva,
22:56
rather than making them give those resources back
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umjesto da narede vraćanje ukradenog
22:58
to the people who they victimized.
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ljudima kojima je nanesena šteta.
23:00
I believe we need to do more
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Mislim da moramo više pomagati ljudima kojima je zločinom nanesena šteta,
23:01
to help people who are victimized by crime,
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a ne manje.
23:03
not do less.
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Mislim da naša trenutna filozofija kažnjavanja
23:05
And I think our current punishment philosophy
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ne koristi nikome.
23:07
does nothing for no one.
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And I think that's the orientation that we have to change.
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Mislim da je to orijentacija koju moramo promijeniti.
(Pljesak)
23:11
(Applause)
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CA: Bryane, pogodio si žicu.
23:13
CA: Bryan, you've struck a massive chord here.
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Nadahnuo si nas.
23:16
You're an inspiring person.
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23:17
Thank you so much for coming to TED. Thank you.
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Hvala ti što si došao na TED. Hvala.
23:19
(Applause and cheers)
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(Pljesak)
23:29
BS: Thank you. Thank you.
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(Applause and cheers)
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