Bryan Stevenson: We need to talk about an injustice | TED

Translator: Pei Fang Ng Reviewer: Sam HK

Ini penghormatan yang besar bagi saya.

Well, this is a really extraordinary honor for me.

Saya peruntukan kebanyakan masa

I spend most of my time in jails, in prisons, on death row.

dalam lokap, penjara dan penjara maut.

I spend most of my time in very low-income communities,

Saya peruntukan kebanyakan masa dalam komuniti berpendapatan rendah,

in the projects and places where there's a great deal of hopelessness.

projek dan tempat yang terdapat kekecewaan.

Semasa saya berada di TED,

And being here at TED and seeing the stimulation, hearing it,

saya melihat dan mendengar rangsangan,

has been very, very energizing to me.

ia merupakan sesuatu yang memberangsangkan.

And one of the things that's emerged in my short time here

Salah satu perkara tentang TED ialah,

is that TED has an identity.

TED mempunyai sebuah identiti.

And you can actually say things here that have impacts around the world.

Di sini, anda boleh bercakap tentang perkara

yang akan memberikan kesan di seluruh dunia.

And sometimes when it comes through TED, it has meaning and power

Apabila ia datang daripada TED, ia mempunyai makna dan pengaruh.

Apabila ia datang daripada TED, ia mempunyai makna dan pengaruh.

that it doesn't have when it doesn't.

Apabila ia datang daripada TED, ia mempunyai makna dan pengaruh.

And I mention that because I think identity is really important.

Saya bercakap tentangnya kerana bagi saya identiti adalah sangat penting.

Terdapat beberapa ceramah yang sangat menakjubkan.

And we've had some fantastic presentations.

Saya rasa, apa yang kita telah belajar ialah,

And I think what we've learned is that, if you're a teacher,

kata-kata seorang cikgu mungkin bermakna,

your words can be meaningful,

kata-kata seorang cikgu yang penuh belas kasihan mungkin sangat bermakna.

but if you're a compassionate teacher, they can be especially meaningful.

kata-kata seorang cikgu yang penuh belas kasihan mungkin sangat bermakna.

Seorang doktor boleh melakukan perkara-perkara yang baik,

If you're a doctor, you can do some good things,

tapi seorang doktor yang prihatin boleh melakukan perkara-perkara yang lain.

but if you're a caring doctor, you can do some other things.

Jadi, saya mahu bercakap tentang pengaruh identiti.

So I want to talk about the power of identity.

Sebenarnya, saya tidak belajar tentangnya

And I didn't learn about this actually practicing law

daripada kerjaya undang-undang saya.

and doing the work that I do.

Saya belajar tentangnya daripada nenek saya.

I actually learned about this from my grandmother.

Saya membesar dalam keluarga

I grew up in a house that was the traditional African American home

orang Amerika Afrika yang tradisional

di mana ketua keluarga ialah wanita,

that was dominated by a matriarch,

and that matriarch was my grandmother.

dan nenek saya ialah ketua keluarga.

Dia sangat tabah, dia sangat kuat,

She was tough, she was strong, she was powerful.

dia sangat berkuasa.

She was the end of every argument in our family.

Dialah yang tamatkan setiap pertengkaran dalam keluarga kami.

(Laughter)

She was the beginning of a lot of arguments in our family.

Dialah yang mulakan banyak pertengkaran dalam keluarga kami.

(Laughter)

Dia ialah anak kepada mereka yang diperhamba.

She was the daughter of people who were actually enslaved.

Ibu bapanya diperhamba di Virginia.

Her parents were born in slavery in Virginia in the 1840s.

Dia dilahirkan pada tahun 1880-an

She was born in the 1880s,

dan pengalaman perhambaan

and the experience of slavery

telah banyak mempengaruhi cara dia melihat dunia ini.

very much shaped the way she saw the world.

And my grandmother was tough, but she was also loving.

Nenek saya sangat tabah, tapi dia penyayang.

Semasa saya kecil, dia akan datang kepada saya dan memeluk saya.

When I would see her as a little boy,

Semasa saya kecil, dia akan datang kepada saya dan memeluk saya.

she'd come up to me and give me these hugs.

Dia akan memeluk erat saya dan kemudian melepaskan saya.

And she'd squeeze me so tight I could barely breathe,

Dia akan memeluk erat saya dan kemudian melepaskan saya.

and then she'd let me go.

Selepas 1 atau 2 jam, jika saya nampak dia,

And an hour or two later, if I saw her,

dia akan tanya, "Kamu masih rasa pelukan nek?"

she'd come over to me and say, "Bryan, do you still feel me hugging you?"

Jika "Tak", dia akan serang saya lagi. Jika, "Ya", saya selamat.

If I said, "No," she'd assault me again,

Jika "Tak", dia akan serang saya lagi. Jika, "Ya", saya selamat.

and if I said, "Yes," she'd leave me alone.

Dia mempunyai sifat ini

And she just had this quality that you always wanted to be near her.

di mana anda sentiasa mahu menghampirinya.

Satu-satunya cabaran ialah, dia ada 10 orang anak.

And the only challenge was that she had 10 children.

My mom was the youngest of her 10 kids.

Mak saya ialah anak bongsu.

And sometimes when I would go and spend time with her,

Kadangkala, apabila saya mahu meluangkan masa bersamanya,

adalah sukar untuk mendapat perhatian dia.

it would be difficult to get her time and attention.

Sepupu saya akan lari berkeliaran.

My cousins would be running around everywhere.

Saya masih ingat, semasa saya berusia 8 atau 9 tahun,

And I remember, when I was about eight or nine years old,

saya bangun pada suatu pagi, pergi ke bilik tetamu,

waking up one morning, going into the living room,

dan semua sepupu saya sedang lari berkeliaran.

and all of my cousins were running around.

Nenek saya sedang duduk dan merenung saya.

And my grandmother was sitting across the room,

Nenek saya sedang duduk dan merenung saya.

staring at me.

Pada mulanya, saya ingat bahawa kami sedang bermain.

And at first, I thought we were playing a game.

Jadi saya melihat dia dan tersenyum, tapi dia nampak serius.

And I would look at her, and I'd smile, but she was very serious.

Jadi saya melihat dia dan tersenyum, tapi dia nampak serius.

Selepas kira-kira 15 atau 20 minit,

And after about 15 or 20 minutes of this,

dia bangun dan datang kepada saya.

she got up and she came across the room,

and she took me by the hand,

Dia pegang tangan saya dan kata, "Kita perlu berbincang."

and she said, "Come on, Bryan. You and I are going to have a talk."

Dia pegang tangan saya dan kata, "Kita perlu berbincang."

Saya masih ingat dengan jelas, seolah-olah ia baru berlaku kelmarin.

And I remember this just like it happened yesterday.

I never will forget it.

Saya tidak akan lupa.

She took me out back and said, "Bryan, I'm going to tell you something,

Dia kata,"Nek akan beritahu kamu sesuatu, tapi jangan beritahu sesiapa."

Dia kata,"Nek akan beritahu kamu sesuatu, tapi jangan beritahu sesiapa."

but you don't tell anybody what I tell you."

Saya kata, "Baik, nek."

I said, "OK, Mama."

Dia kata, "Pastikan kamu tak buat begitu." Saya kata, "Sudah tentu."

She said, "Now, you make sure you don't do that."

I said, "Sure."

Kemudian, dia mendudukkan saya. Dia lihat saya

Then she sat me down and she looked at me,

dan kata, "Nek mahu kamu tahu, nek telah perhatikan kamu."

and she said, "I want you to know I've been watching you."

dan kata, "Nek mahu kamu tahu nek telah perhatikan kamu."

And she said, "I think you're special."

Dan dia kata, "Nek rasa kamu luar biasa."

She said, "I think you can do anything you want to do."

"Nek rasa, kamu boleh buat apa saja yang kamu mahu."

Saya tidak akan lupa.

I will never forget it.

And then she said, "I just need you to promise me three things, Bryan."

Dia kata, "Janjikan 3 perkara." Saya kata, "Baik, nek."

Dia kata, "Janjikan 3 perkara." Saya kata, "Baik, nek."

I said, "OK, Mama."

Dia kata, "Perkara pertama ialah,

She said, "The first thing I want you to promise me

kamu akan sentiasa sayang mak kamu."

is that you'll always love your mom."

Dia kata, "Dia anak kesayangan nek,

She said, "That's my baby girl,

janji bahawa kamu akan sentiasa menjaga dia."

and you have to promise me now you'll always take care of her."

Saya sayang mak saya, jadi saya jawab, "Ya, nek. Saya akan lakukannya."

Well, I adored my mom, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."

Kemudian dia kata, "Perkara kedua ialah,

Then she said, "The second thing I want you to promise me

kamu akan sentiasa lakukan perkara yang betul

is that you'll always do the right thing,

walaupun perkara yang betul sukar dilakukan."

even when the right thing is the hard thing."

Saya fikir tentangnya dan jawab, "Ya, nek. Saya akan lakukannya."

And I thought about it, and I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."

Akhirnya dia kata, "Perkara ketiga ialah, kamu takkan minum alkohol."

Then finally, she said, "The third thing I want you to promise me

Akhirnya dia kata, "Perkara ketiga ialah, kamu takkan minum alkohol."

is that you'll never drink alcohol."

(Gelak ketawa)

(Laughter)

Saya berusia 9 tahun, saya jawab, "Ya, nek. Saya akan lakukannya."

Well, I was nine years old, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."

Saya membesar di sebuah kampung di selatan.

I grew up in the country in the rural South,

Saya ada seorang abang dan seorang adik.

and I have a brother a year older than me and a sister a year younger.

Semasa saya berusia 14 atau 15 tahun,

When I was about 14 or 15,

one day, my brother came home and he had this six-pack of beer;

pada suatu hari, abang saya balik bersama 6 tin bir.

pada suatu hari, abang saya balik bersama 6 tin bir.

I don't know where he got it.

Kami dan adik saya pergi ke hutan.

He grabbed me and my sister, and we went out in the woods,

Kami lakukan perkara gila yang biasa kami lakukan.

and we were just out there doing the stuff we crazily did,

Dia minum bir, hulurkannya kepada adik saya dan dia pun minum,

and he had a sip of this beer and gave some to my sister

kemudian mereka tawarkannya kepada saya.

and she had some, and they offered it to me.

Saya kata, "Saya tak nak."

I said, "No, that's OK. Y'all go ahead. I'm not going to have any."

Abang saya kata, "Awak selalu buat apa yang kami buat."

My brother said, "Come on. We're doing this today; you always do what we do.

"Kami dah minum. Minumlah!"

I had some, your sister had some. Have some beer."

Saya kata, "Tak nak. Ini salah.

I said, "No, I don't feel right about that. Y'all go ahead."

Kemudian, abang saya merenung saya.

Dia kata, "Apa yang tak kena dengan awak? Minumlah bir!"

And then my brother stared at me and said, "What's wrong with you? Have some beer."

Kemudian, dia perhatikan saya dan kata,

Then he looked at me real hard and said,

"Oh, abang harap awak tak terfikir tentang perbualan nenek itu!"

"Oh, I hope you're not still hung up on that conversation Mama had with you."

"Oh, abang harap awak tak terfikir tentang perbualan nenek itu!"

(Gelak ketawa)

(Laughter)

Saya tanya, "Apa maksud abang?"

I said, "What are you talking about?"

Dia kata, "Nenek beritahu semua cucu, mereka luar biasa."

He said, "Oh, Mama tells all the grandkids that they're special."

(Gelak ketawa)

(Laughter)

I was devastated.

Saya terkejut besar.

(Gelak ketawa)

(Laughter)

Saya mahu beritahu anda sesuatu.

And I'm going to admit something to you.

Mungkin saya tidak patut beritahu anda.

I'm going to tell you something I probably shouldn't.

Mungkin ini akan disiarkan secara meluas.

I know this might be broadcast broadly.

Saya berusia 52 tahun, dan saya mahu beritahu anda,

But I'm 52 years old,

Saya berusia 52 tahun, dan saya mahu beritahu anda,

and I'm going to admit to you

that I've never had a drop of alcohol.

saya tidak pernah minum alkohol.

(Applause)

(Tepukan)

I don't say that because I think that's virtuous;

Saya bukannya beritahu anda kerana saya rasa ia adalah mulia;

I say that because there is power in identity.

saya beritahu anda kerana ia merupakan pengaruh identiti.

When we create the right kind of identity,

Apabila kita mewujudkan identiti yang betul,

we can say things to the world around us

kita boleh cakap tentang hal yang mungkin tidak munasabah bagi banyak orang.

that they don't actually believe make sense.

kita boleh cakap tentang hal yang mungkin tidak munasabah bagi banyak orang.

Kita boleh mempengaruhi mereka

We can get them to do things that they don't think they can do.

membuat sesuatu yang mungkin mereka tidak akan buat.

Apabila saya berfikir tentang nenek saya,

When I thought about my grandmother,

semestinya dia anggap semua cucunya luar biasa.

of course she would think all her grandkids were special.

Datuk saya berada di penjara semasa larangan.

My grandfather was in prison during prohibition.

Pak cik-pak cik saya mati disebabkan alkohol.

My male uncles died of alcohol-related diseases.

Bagi nenek saya, kami perlu mematuhi semua ini.

And these were the things she thought we needed to commit to.

Saya telah cuba bercakap tentang sistem keadilan jenayah kita.

Well, I've been trying to say something about our criminal justice system.

Saya telah cuba bercakap tentang sistem keadilan jenayah kita.

Hari ini, negara ini sangat berbeza daripada 40 tahun yang lalu.

This country is very different today than it was 40 years ago.

Hari ini, negara ini sangat berbeza daripada 40 tahun yang lalu.

In 1972, there were 300,000 people in jails and prisons.

Pada tahun 1972, terdapat 300,000 orang dalam lokap dan penjara.

Hari ini, jumlahnya 2.3 juta.

Today, there are 2.3 million.

The United States now has the highest rate of incarceration

Kini, kadar pemenjaraan di Amerika adalah tertinggi di dunia ini.

Kini, kadar pemenjaraan di Amerika adalah tertinggi di dunia ini.

in the world.

We have seven million people on probation and parole.

Terdapat 7 juta orang diletakkan di bawah percubaan dan parol.

And mass incarceration, in my judgment,

Bagi saya, pemenjaraan beramai-ramai

has fundamentally changed our world.

telah banyak mengubah dunia kita.

Dalam komuniti yang miskin dan berkulit hitam, mereka amat kecewa.

In poor communities, in communities of color,

Dalam komuniti yang miskin dan berkulit hitam, mereka amat kecewa.

there is this despair,

Dalam komuniti yang miskin dan berkulit hitam, mereka amat kecewa.

there is this hopelessness

that is being shaped by these outcomes.

semua ini ialah akibatnya.

1 daripada 3 orang yang berkulit hitam,

One out of three Black men between the ages of 18 and 30

yang berusia di antara 18 hingga 30 tahun,

is in jail, in prison, on probation or parole.

berada dalam lokap, penjara, di bawah percubaan atau parol.

Di kawasan bandar seperti

In urban communities across this country --

Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington,

Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington --

50% hingga 60% anak muda yang dibezakan warna kulitnya

50 to 60 percent of all young men of color

berada dalam lokap, penjara, atau di bawah percubaan atau parol.

are in jail or prison

or on probation or parole.

Nampaknya sistem kita dibentuk

Our system isn't just being shaped in these ways

dalam cara yang membezakan kaum,

that seem to be distorting around race,

begitu juga dengan kemiskinan.

they're also distorted by poverty.

Kita ada sistem keadilan

We have a system of justice in this country

yang melayan anda dengan lebih baik

that treats you much better if you're rich and guilty

jika anda kaya dan bersalah berbanding miskin dan tidak bersalah.

than if you're poor and innocent.

"Kekayaan", bukan "kesalahan",

Wealth, not culpability, shapes outcomes.

yang menentukan apa yang akan berlaku.

And yet, we seem to be very comfortable.

Tapi nampaknya kita agak selesa dengannya.

Ketakutan dan kemarahan

The politics of fear and anger have made us believe

telah menyebabkan kita percaya,

that these are problems that are not our problems.

semua ini bukan masalah kita.

We've been disconnected.

Kita tidak terlibat.

Ini agak menarik bagi saya.

It's interesting to me.

We're looking at some very interesting developments in our work.

Kita sedang melihat beberapa perkembangan yang menarik.

Alabama, seperti beberapa buah negeri yang lain,

My state of Alabama, like a number of states,

akan melucutkan hak undi anda

actually permanently disenfranchises you if you have a criminal conviction.

jika anda ada rekod jenayah.

Sekarang, di Alabama,

Right now in Alabama,

34 percent of the Black male population has permanently lost the right to vote.

34% daripada populasi lelaki berkulit hitam

telah kehilangan hak undi selama-lamanya.

Dalam masa 10 tahun lagi,

We're actually projecting that in another 10 years,

kadar pelucutan hak undi

the level of disenfranchisement will be as high as it's been

akan menjadi setinggi

since prior to the passage of the Voting Rights Act.

sebelum terdapatnya Akta Hak Mengundi.

Tapi, tiada orang yang bercakap tentangnya.

And there is this stunning silence.

Saya mewakili kanak-kanak.

I represent children.

Kebanyakan daripada klien saya sangat muda.

A lot of my clients are very young.

The United States is the only country in the world

Amerika ialah satu-satunya negara di dunia ini

yang jatuhkan hukuman penjara seumur hidup

where we sentence 13-year-old children

ke atas budak yang berusia 13 tahun.

to die in prison.

We have life imprisonment without parole for kids in this country.

Kita ada hukuman penjara seumur hidup tanpa parol ke atas kanak-kanak.

Kita juga jalankan pembicaraan.

And we're actually doing some litigation.

Satu-satunya negara di dunia ini.

The only country in the world.

Saya mewakili orang yang dijatuhkan hukuman mati.

I represent people on death row.

It's interesting, this question of the death penalty.

Persoalan hukuman mati agak menarik.

Kita diajar untuk berfikir, persoalan yang sebenar ialah,

In many ways, we've been taught to think that the real question is:

Kita diajar untuk berfikir, persoalan yang sebenar ialah,

patutkah penjenayah mati kerana jenayah yang dilakukan?

Do people deserve to die for the crimes they've committed?

And that's a very sensible question.

Itu persoalan yang wajar.

Tapi, terdapat cara pemikiran yang lain tentang identiti kita, iaitu

But there's another way of thinking about where we are in our identity.

Tapi, terdapat cara pemikiran yang lain tentang identiti kita, iaitu

bukan "patutkah penjenayah mati kerana jenayah yang dilakukan?",

The other way of thinking about it is not:

bukan "patutkah penjenayah mati kerana jenayah yang dilakukan?",

Do people deserve to die for the crimes they commit?,

tapi "Bolehkah kita membunuh?" Ia agak menarik.

but: Do we deserve to kill?

tapi "Bolehkah kita membunuh?" Ia agak menarik.

I mean, it's fascinating.

Hukuman mati di Amerika sering terdapat kesilapan.

Death penalty in America is defined by error.

For every nine people who have been executed,

Bagi 9 orang yang menjalani hukuman mati,

we've actually identified one innocent person

1 orang dikenal pasti tidak bersalah

dan terlepas daripada hukuman mati.

who's been exonerated and released from death row.

Kadar kesilapan ini agak mengejutkan.

A kind of astonishing error rate --

1 daripada 9 orang tidak bersalah.

one out of nine people, innocent.

Ini agak mengejutkan.

I mean, it's fascinating.

Kita tidak akan benarkan orang naiki pesawat

In aviation, we would never let people fly on airplanes

if, for every nine planes that took off,

jika bagi 9 buah pesawat yang berlepas,

one would crash.

1 pesawat akan terhempas.

(Laughter)

But somehow, we can insulate ourselves from this problem.

Entah kenapa, kita mengasingkan diri daripada masalah ini.

Ini bukan masalah kita.

It's not our problem.

It's not our burden.

Ini bukan tanggungjawab kita.

It's not our struggle.

Ini bukan perjuangan kita.

I talk a lot about these issues.

Saya banyak bercakap tentang isu-isu ini.

I talk about race

Saya bercakap tentang perkauman

and this question of whether we deserve to kill.

dan persoalan jika kita boleh membunuh.

And it's interesting,

Semasa mengajar tentang sejarah orang Amerika Afrika,

when I teach my students about African American history,

Saya bercakap tentang perhambaan.

I tell them about slavery.

Saya bercakap tentang terorisme

I tell them about terrorism,

yang bermula pada penghujung pembangunan semula

the era that began at the end of reconstruction

dan berterusan hingga Perang Dunia II.

that went on to World War II.

We don't really know very much about it.

Tidak banyak yang kita tahu tentangnya.

But for African Americans in this country,

Tapi bagi orang Amerika Afrika,

that was an era defined by terror.

era itu penuh dengan ketakutan.

Orang ramai risaukan gantung tanpa perbicaraan, pengeboman.

In many communities, people had to worry about being lynched.

Orang ramai risaukan gantung tanpa perbicaraan, pengeboman.

They had to worry about being bombed.

Mereka hidup dalam ketakutan.

It was the threat of terror that shaped their lives.

Generasi tua ini jumpa saya

And these older people come up to me now and say,

dan kata, "anda selalu berceramah,

"Mr. Stevenson, you give talks, you make speeches,

beritahu orang ramai, jangan cakap

you tell people to stop saying we're dealing with terrorism

kita berdepan dengan terorisme buat kali pertama dalam sejarah kita

for the first time in our nation's history after 9/11."

selepas kejadian 9/11."

They tell me to say, "No, tell them that we grew up with that."

Mereka kata, "Beritahu mereka, kami membesar dalam keadaan terorisme."

Sudah tentu, era terorisme itu

And that era of terrorism, of course, was followed by segregation

diikuti oleh pemisahan kaum,

peminggiran kaum selama berdekad-dekad,

and decades of racial subordination

dan dasar aparteid.

and apartheid.

Tapi, dalam negara ini,

And yet, we have in this country

this dynamic where we really don't like to talk about our problems.

kita tidak suka bercakap tentang masalah kita.

Kita tidak suka bercakap tentang sejarah kita.

We don't like to talk about our history.

And because of that, we really haven't understood

Disebabkan itu, kita tidak faham

what it's meant to do the things we've done historically.

apa yang telah berlaku dalam sejarah kita.

Kita selalu menimbulkan pertengkaran,

We're constantly running into each other.

dan mewujudkan perasaan tertekan dan konflik.

We're constantly creating tensions and conflicts.

Kita tidak bercakap tentang perkauman,

We have a hard time talking about race,

saya percaya, ia kerana kita tidak mahu

and I believe it's because we are unwilling to commit ourselves

to a process of truth and reconciliation.

terlibat dalam proses mencari kebenaran dan perdamaian.

In South Africa,

Di Afrika Selatan, orang ramai faham

people understood that we couldn't overcome apartheid

bahawa mereka tidak dapat melupakan dasar aparteid

melainkan mereka mahukan kebenaran dan perdamaian.

without a commitment to truth and reconciliation.

Di Rwanda, setelah pembunuhan kaum, mereka ada komitmen ini.

In Rwanda, even after the genocide, there was this commitment.

Tapi di negara ini, kita belum lakukannya.

But in this country, we haven't done that.

Saya pernah berceramah di Jerman tentang hukuman mati.

I was giving some lectures in Germany about the death penalty.

Ia sangat menakjubkan

It was fascinating,

selepas ceramah itu, seorang sarjana berdiri

because one of the scholars stood up after the presentation

dan kata, "Saya sangat terkilan

and said, "Well, you know, it's deeply troubling

tentang ceramah anda."

to hear what you're talking about."

Dia kata, "Kami tidak ada hukuman mati di Jerman.

He said, "We don't have the death penalty in Germany,

and of course, we can never have the death penalty in Germany."

Semestinya, kami tidak akan adakan hukuman mati di Jerman."

Kemudian, bilik itu menjadi senyap,

And the room got very quiet,

and this woman said,

seorang wanita kata,

"There's no way, with our history,

"Disebabkan sejarah kami,

kami tidak akan laksanakan

we could ever engage in the systematic killing of human beings.

pembunuhan orang secara sistematik.

Bagi kami, adalah tidak berperikemanusiaan

It would be unconscionable for us

untuk membunuh orang secara sengaja."

to, in an intentional and deliberate way,

untuk membunuh orang secara sengaja."

set about executing people."

Saya berfikir tentangnya.

And I thought about that.

Apa perasaan saya

What would it feel like to be living in a world

jika saya hidup di dunia

where the nation-state of Germany was executing people,

di mana orang Jerman membunuh orang,

especially if they were disproportionately Jewish?

khasnya membunuh orang Yahudi.

Saya tidak dapat menerimanya.

I couldn't bear it.

It would be unconscionable.

Ia tidak berperikemanusiaan.

And yet, in this country,

Tapi, di negara ini,

di negeri-negeri di selatan,

in the states of the Old South,

kita membunuh orang.

we execute people --

Kemungkinan hukuman mati ialah 11 kali ganda

where you're 11 times more likely to get the death penalty

jika mangsa berkulit putih berbanding berkulit hitam,

if the victim is white than if the victim is Black,

kemungkinannya 22 kali ganda

22 times more likely to get it

jika tertuduh berkulit hitam, mangsa berkulit putih.

if the defendant is Black and the victim is white --

Di negeri-negeri ini, mereka yang dikebumikan

in the very states where there are, buried in the ground,

ialah mereka yang digantung tanpa perbicaraan.

the bodies of people who were lynched.

Tapi, kita tidak mempedulikannya.

And yet, there is this disconnect.

Saya percaya, ada sesuatu yang tidak kena dengan identiti kita.

Well, I believe that our identity is at risk,

Kita tidak mengambil berat

that when we actually don't care about these difficult things,

tentang perkara-perkara yang sukar ini,

tapi kita terlibat dalam

the positive and wonderful things are nonetheless implicated.

perkara-perkara yang positif dan baik.

We love innovation.

Kita suka inovasi.

We love technology. We love creativity.

Kita suka teknologi. Kita suka kreativiti.

We love entertainment.

Kita suka hiburan.

Tapi akhirnya, semua itu dibayangi penderitaan,

But ultimately,

Tapi akhirnya, semua itu dibayangi penderitaan,

those realities are shadowed by suffering,

Tapi akhirnya, semua itu dibayangi penderitaan,

abuse, degradation,

penganiayaan, penghinaan, peminggiran.

penganiayaan, penghinaan, peminggiran.

marginalization.

Bagi saya, adalah perlu untuk mengintegrasikan kedua-duanya.

And for me, it becomes necessary to integrate the two,

Bagi saya, adalah perlu untuk mengintegrasikan kedua-duanya.

Kerana akhirnya, kita bercakap tentang

because ultimately, we are talking about a need to be more hopeful,

menjadi lebih berhasrat,

lebih komited, lebih berdedikasi

more committed, more dedicated

to the basic challenges of living in a complex world.

untuk menghadapi cabaran asas dalam dunia yang kompleks ini.

Bagi saya, ia bermakna luangkan masa berfikir dan bercakap

And for me, that means

Bagi saya, ia bermakna luangkan masa berfikir dan bercakap

spending time thinking and talking about the poor, the disadvantaged,

tentang mereka yang miskin dan tidak beruntung,

those who will never get to TED,

mereka yang tidak berpeluang datang ke TED.

Fikirkan dan integrasikan mereka dalam kehidupan kita.

but thinking about them in a way that is integrated in our own lives.

Fikirkan dan integrasikan mereka dalam kehidupan kita.

Akhirnya, kita perlu percaya apa yang tidak dilihat dengan mata sendiri.

You know, ultimately, we all have to believe things we haven't seen.

We do.

Memang begitu. Secara rasional dan komited terhadap keintelektualan kita.

As rational as we are, as committed to intellect as we are,

innovation, creativity, development

Inovasi, kreativiti, dan pembangunan

Inovasi, kreativiti, dan pembangunan

comes not from the ideas in our mind alone.

bukan saja datang daripada minda kita.

Semua itu datang daripada idea dalam minda kita

They come from the ideas in our mind

that are also fueled by some conviction in our heart.

yang juga didorong oleh

keyakinan dalam hati kita.

And it's that mind-heart connection that I believe compels us

Saya percaya, hubungan antara minda dan hati

yang mendorong kita

untuk bukan saja memberikan perhatian pada

to not just be attentive to all the bright and dazzly things,

semua perkara yang baik,

bahkan perkara yang sukar.

but also the dark and difficult things.

Vaclav Havel pernah bercakap tentangnya.

Václav Havel, the great Czech leader, talked about this.

He said, "When we were in Eastern Europe and dealing with oppression,

Dia kata, "Semasa berada di Eropah Timur dan berdepan dengan penindasan,

kita mahukan pelbagai perkara,

we wanted all kinds of things.

But mostly what we needed was hope,

tapi apa yang kita paling mahukan ialah harapan,

an orientation of the spirit,

semangat, kesanggupan berada di tempat yang tiada harapan

a willingness to sometimes be in hopeless places

semangat, kesanggupan berada di tempat yang tiada harapan

dan menjadi seorang saksi."

and be a witness."

Well, that orientation of the spirit is very much at the core of what I believe

Semangat itu ialah teras kepercayaan saya,

Semangat itu ialah teras kepercayaan saya,

bahkan komuniti TED perlu terlibat.

even TED communities have to be engaged in.

bahkan komuniti TED perlu terlibat.

Teknologi dan reka bentuk tidak patut menghalang kemanusiaan

There is no disconnect around technology and design

Teknologi dan reka bentuk tidak patut menghalang kemanusiaan

that will allow us to be fully human

Teknologi dan reka bentuk tidak patut menghalang kemanusiaan

memberikan perhatian pada penderitaan,

until we pay attention to suffering,

to poverty, to exclusion, to unfairness, to injustice.

kemiskinan, pengetepian, ketidakwajaran dan ketidakadilan.

Saya mahu mengingatkan anda bahawa identiti ini

Now, I will warn you

that this kind of identity is a much more challenging identity

Saya mahu mengingatkan anda bahawa identiti ini

merupakan identiti yang lebih mencabar

than ones that don't pay attention to this.

bagi mereka yang tidak memberikan perhatian padanya.

Ia akan mempengaruhi anda.

It will get to you.

I had the great privilege, when I was a young lawyer,

Semasa muda, saya berpeluang berjumpa dengan Rosa Parks.

of meeting Rosa Parks.

Beliau kerap pergi ke Montgomery

And Ms. Parks used to come back to Montgomery every now and then,

dan jumpa 2 orang kawan baiknya,

and she would get together with two of her dearest friends,

wanita yang telah berusia,

these older women,

iaitu Johnnie Carr, penganjur pemboikotan bas Montgomery,

Johnnie Carr, who was the organizer of the Montgomery bus boycott --

iaitu Johnnie Carr, penganjur pemboikotan bas Montgomery,

seorang Amerika Afrika yang hebat;

amazing African American woman --

and Virginia Durr, a white woman,

dan Virginia Durr, wanita berkulit putih,

whose husband, Clifford Durr, represented Dr. King.

suami beliau ialah peguam bagi Dr. King.

Mereka akan bertemu dan berbual.

And these women would get together and just talk.

And every now and then Ms. Carr would call me,

Kadangkala, Puan Carr akan hubungi saya

and she'd say, "Bryan, Ms. Parks is coming to town.

dan kata, "Puan Parks akan datang. Kami akan bertemu dan berbual.

We're going to get together and talk. Do you want to come over and listen?"

Awak mahu datang dan dengar?"

Saya jawab, "Ya, puan. Saya mahu."

And I'd say, "Yes, ma'am, I do."

Dia tanya, "Apa yang awak mahu buat di situ?"

She'd say, "What are you going to do when you get here?"

Saya jawab, "Saya akan mendengar."

I said, "I'm going to listen."

Saya akan pergi ke situ dan hanya mendengar.

And I'd go over there and I would, I'd just listen.

Ia sangat memberangsangkan.

It would be so energizing and so empowering.

Pada suatu hari, saya berada di situ dan mendengar mereka berbual.

And one time I was over there listening to these women talk,

Selepas beberapa jam, Puan Parks kata,

and after a couple of hours, Ms. Parks turned to me and said,

"Bryan, terangkan Inisiatif Kesamarataan Keadilan.

"Bryan, tell me what the Equal Justice Initiative is.

Beritahu saya apa yang awak cuba lakukan."

Tell me what you're trying to do."

Saya mula menerangkannya.

And I began giving her my rap.

Saya kata, "Kita cuba cabar ketidakadilan, bantu orang yang disalah sabit,

"We're trying to challenge injustice.

Saya kata, "Kita cuba cabar ketidakadilan, bantu orang yang disalah sabit,

We're trying to help people who have been wrongly convicted.

hapuskan prasangka dan diskriminasi dalam keadilan jenayah,

We're trying to confront bias and discrimination

hapuskan prasangka dan diskriminasi dalam keadilan jenayah,

in the administration of criminal justice.

mansuhkan hukuman penjara seumur hidup tanpa parol ke atas kanak-kanak,

We're trying to end life without parole sentences for children.

buat sesuatu tentang hukuman mati.

We're trying to do something about the death penalty.

kurangkan bilangan banduan,

We're trying to reduce the prison population.

hentikan pemenjaraan beramai-ramai.

Saya terangkan semua itu. Beliau pandang saya

We're trying to end mass incarceration."

I gave her my whole rap, and when I finished she looked at me

dan kata, "Mmm... mmm... mmm..."

and she said, "Mmm mmm mmm.

Dia kata, "Semua itu akan membuat awak penat."

That's going to make you tired, tired, tired."

(Gelak ketawa)

(Laughter)

And that's when Ms. Carr leaned forward, she put her finger in my face,

Pada ketika itu, Puan Carr kata, "Sebab itu, awak mesti berani."

Pada ketika itu, Puan Carr kata, "Sebab itu, awak mesti berani."

she said, "That's why you've got to be brave, brave, brave."

Saya percaya bahawa komuniti TED

And I actually believe that the TED community

needs to be more courageous.

perlu menjadi lebih berani.

Kita perlu mencari jalan

We need to find ways to embrace these challenges,

untuk mengatasi semua cabaran ini,

semua masalah ini, penderitaan ini.

these problems, the suffering.

Kerana akhirnya, kemanusiaan kita bergantung pada

Because ultimately, our humanity depends on everyone's humanity.

kemanusiaan setiap orang.

I've learned very simple things doing the work that I do.

Melalui kerja saya, saya telah belajar perkara yang mudah.

Ia telah mengajar saya perkara yang mudah.

It's just taught me very simple things.

Saya mula memahami dan mempercayai,

I've come to understand and to believe

setiap orang tidak didefinisikan oleh perkara buruk yang dilakukannya.

that each of us is more than the worst thing we've ever done.

setiap orang tidak didefinisikan oleh perkara buruk yang dilakukannya.

I believe that for every person on the planet.

Semua orang pun begitu.

Yang bercakap bohong tidak semestinya pembohong.

I think if somebody tells a lie, they're not just a liar.

Yang ambil barang orang lain tidak semestinya pencuri.

I think if somebody takes something that doesn't belong to them,

Yang ambil barang orang lain tidak semestinya pencuri.

they're not just a thief.

Bahkan yang bunuh orang tidak semestinya pembunuh.

I think even if you kill someone, you're not just a killer.

Oleh sebab terdapatnya maruah manusia yang asas ini,

And because of that, there's this basic human dignity

ia mesti dihormati undang-undang.

that must be respected by law.

Saya juga percaya,

I also believe

di banyak tempat di negara ini,

that in many parts of this country,

dan semestinya di banyak tempat di dunia ini,

and certainly in many parts of this globe,

that the opposite of poverty is not wealth.

kata lawan bagi "kemiskinan" bukan "kekayaan".

Saya tidak mempercayainya.

I don't believe that.

Bagi saya, di banyak tempat,

I actually think, in too many places,

kata lawan bagi "kemiskinan" ialah "keadilan".

the opposite of poverty is justice.

Akhirnya, saya percaya,

And finally, I believe

walaupun pada hakikatnya ia adalah dramatik,

that, despite the fact that it is so dramatic and so beautiful

cantik, memberikan inspirasi,

and so inspiring and so stimulating,

dan memberangsangkan,

we will ultimately not be judged by our technology,

akhirnya kita tidak akan dinilai berdasarkan teknologi,

reka bentuk, keintelektualan dan penaakulan kita.

we won't be judged by our design,

we won't be judged by our intellect and reason.

reka bentuk, keintelektualan dan penaakulan kita.

Ultimately, you judge the character of a society

Akhirnya, anda menilai sebuah masyarakat,

not by how they treat their rich and the powerful and the privileged,

bukan cara mereka layan orang kaya dan ada hak istimewa,

tapi cara mereka layan orang yang miskin dan dipenjarakan.

but by how they treat the poor,

the condemned,

tapi cara mereka layan orang yang miskin dan dipenjarakan.

the incarcerated.

Kerana melalui perhubungan itu,

Because it's in that nexus

kita mula memahami secara mendalam tentang siapa kita.

that we actually begin to understand truly profound things

kita mula memahami secara mendalam tentang siapa kita.

about who we are.

I sometimes get out of balance.

Kadangkala, keseimbangan saya hilang.

I'll end with this story.

Kadangkala, saya terlalu berusaha.

I sometimes push too hard.

I do get tired, as we all do.

Saya menjadi penat, seperti semua orang.

Kadangkala, idea-idea itu melangkau pemikiran kita

Sometimes those ideas get ahead of our thinking

dan ia adalah penting.

in ways that are important.

Saya pernah mewakili kanak-kanak

And I've been representing these kids

yang telah dijatuhi hukuman yang berat.

who have been sentenced to these very harsh sentences.

Saya melawat klien saya yang berusia 14 tahun.

And I go to the jail and I see my client, who's 13 and 14,

Dia telah disahkan untuk dibicarakan sebagai orang dewasa.

and he's been certified to stand trial as an adult.

I start thinking, well, how did that happen?

Saya mula berfikir, bagaimana itu boleh berlaku?

Bagaimana seorang hakim boleh menjadikan anda

How can a judge turn you into something that you're not?

seorang yang berbeza?

And the judge has certified him as an adult, but I see this kid.

Hakim itu sahkannya orang dewasa, tapi dia seorang budak.

And I was up too late one night and I started thinking,

Pada suatu malam, saya tidak dapat tidur dan mula berfikir,

"Jika hakim boleh jadikan anda seorang yang berbeza,

well, if the judge can turn you into something you're not,

pasti dia ada kuasa ghaib."

the judge must have magic power.

"Ya, Byran, hakim itu ada kuasa ghaib."

Yeah, Bryan, the judge has some magic power.

You should ask for some of that.

"Awak patut dapatkan kuasa itu."

And because I was up too late and wasn't thinking real straight,

Oleh sebab saya tidak dapat tidur, saya sedikit gila,

saya mula mengusahakan sebuah usul.

I started working on a motion.

Klien saya berusia 14 tahun, berkulit hitam.

I had a client who was 14 years old, a young, poor Black kid.

Saya mula mengusahakan usul itu.

And I started working on this motion, and the head of the motion was:

Tajuk usul itu ialah: "Usul untuk bicarakan

"Motion to try my poor, 14-year-old Black male client

klien berkulit hitam yang berusia 14 tahun,

seperti eksekutif korporat berkulit putih yang berusia 75 tahun.

like a privileged, white, 75-year-old corporate executive."

seperti eksekutif korporat berkulit putih yang berusia 75 tahun.

(Laughter)

seperti eksekutif korporat berkulit putih yang berusia 75 tahun.

(Applause and cheers)

Saya masukkan dalam usul saya,

And I put in my motion that there was prosecutorial misconduct

terdapat salah laku pendakwaan, polis, kehakiman.

and police misconduct and judicial misconduct.

Terdapat ayat tentang ketiadaan perlakuan di negara ini,

There was a crazy line in there

about how there's no conduct in this county, it's all misconduct.

Terdapat ayat tentang ketiadaan perlakuan di negara ini,

Keesokan paginya, saya berfikir, saya termimpikan usul itu,

And the next morning, I woke up and I thought,

atau saya telah menulisnya?

now, did I dream that crazy motion, or did I actually write it?

Betapa dahsyatnya, saya bukan saja telah menulisnya,

And to my horror, not only had I written it,

malah saya telah menghantarkannya ke mahkamah.

but I had sent it to court.

(Tepukan)

(Applause)

Beberapa bulan telah berlalu,

A couple months went by,

and I just had forgotten all about it.

dan saya telah melupakan semua tentangnya.

Akhirnya, saya membuat keputusan,

And I finally decided,

saya mesti pergi ke mahkamah dan membentangkannya.

"Gosh, I've got to go to the court and do this crazy case."

Saya masuk ke dalam kereta saya

And I got in my car, and I was feeling really overwhelmed -- overwhelmed.

dan saya berasa membuak-buak.

Jadi saya masuk ke dalam kereta saya dan pergi ke mahkamah.

And I got in my car and went to this courthouse.

Saya berfikir, perjuangan ini pasti sukar dan menyeksakan.

And I was thinking, this is going to be so difficult, so painful.

Akhirnya, saya keluar dari kereta, dan saya mula menuju ke mahkamah.

And I finally got out of the car and started walking up to the courthouse.

Semasa saya sedang menaiki tangga,

And as I was walking up the steps,

seorang lelaki tua berkulit hitam di situ, dia penjaga bangunan.

there was an older Black man who was the janitor in this courthouse.

Ketika dia nampak saya, dia menuju ke arah saya

When this man saw me, he came over and said, "Who are you?"

dan menanya, "Siapa anda?"

Saya kata, "Peguam." Dia tanya, "Peguam?"

I said, "I'm a lawyer." He said, "You're a lawyer?" I said, "Yes, sir."

Kemudian, dia mendekati saya

And this man came over to me, and he hugged me.

dan memeluk saya.

And he whispered in my ear.

Dia berbisik di telinga saya.

He said, "I'm so proud of you."

Dia kata, "Saya sangat bangga dengan anda."

Saya mesti beritahu anda,

And I have to tell you, it was energizing.

ia agak memberangsangkan.

It connected deeply with something in me

Ia berhubung dengan sesuatu dalam lubuk hati saya,

tentang identiti,

about identity,

about the capacity of every person to contribute to community,

tentang keupayaan setiap orang untuk menyumbang

kepada komuniti dan perspektif yang memberikan harapan.

to a perspective that is hopeful.

Saya masuk ke dalam bilik pembicaraan.

Well, I went into the courtroom.

Sebaik saya masuk, hakim itu nampak saya.

And as soon as I walked in, the judge saw me coming.

Beliau tanya, "Anda yang menulis usul yang gila ini?"

He said, "Mr. Stevenson, did you write this crazy motion?"

Saya jawab, "Ya, tuan." Kami mula berhujah.

I said, "Yes, sir. I did." And we started arguing.

Orang ramai mula masuk.

And people started coming in,

Saya telah menulis benda-benda yang gila ini.

just outraged I'd written these crazy things.

Kemudian, polis, pembantu pendakwa dan kerani juga masuk.

And police officers were coming in

Kemudian, polis, pembantu pendakwa dan kerani juga masuk.

and assistant prosecutors and clerk workers.

Bilik itu telah dipenuhi orang

Before I knew it, the courtroom was filled with people

yang marah kerana kami sedang bercakap tentang

angry that we were talking about race,

perkauman, kemiskinan, dan ketidakadilan.

that we were talking about poverty, talking about inequality.

perkauman, kemiskinan, dan ketidakadilan.

Saya nampak penjaga itu berjalan mundar-mandir.

And out of the corner of my eye, I could see this janitor pacing back and forth.

Dia lihat melalui tingkap, dia boleh dengar semua laungan itu.

He kept looking through the window and could hear all the holler.

Dia lihat melalui tingkap, dia boleh dengar semua laungan itu.

Akhirnya, lelaki yang nampak risau itu

And finally, this older Black man with a very worried look on his face

masuk dan duduk di belakang saya,

came into the courtroom and sat behind me, almost at counsel table.

berhampiran dengan meja peguam.

Ten minutes later, the judge said we'd take a break.

Selepas 10 minit, kami berehat sekejap.

Semasa waktu rehat, seorang syerif berasa marah

During the break, there was a deputy sheriff who was offended

kerana penjaga itu telah masuk ke situ.

that the janitor had come into court.

Syerif itu menuju ke arah lelaki itu.

The deputy jumped up and ran over to this older Black man.

Dia tanya, "Jimmy, apa yang awak buat di sini?"

He said, "Jimmy, what are you doing in this courtroom?"

Lelaki itu berdiri,

And this older Black man stood up and looked at that deputy

dia memandang syerif itu, kemudian dia memandang saya.

and he looked at me,

Dia kata, "Saya masuk ke sini

and he said, "I came into this courtroom to tell this young man,

untuk beritahu anak muda ini,

"Tumpukan pada sasaran anda. Bertahan."

'Keep your eyes on the prize, hold on.'"

Saya datang ke TED

I've come to TED

because I believe that many of you understand

kerana saya percaya, kebanyakan daripada anda faham

walaupun lengkung moral dunia ini panjang,

that the moral arc of the universe is long,

ia memihak pada keadilan.

but it bends toward justice;

Kita bukan manusia yang benar-benar berevolusi

that we cannot be full, evolved human beings

sehingga kita mengambil berat tentang hak-hak dan maruah manusia.

until we care about human rights and basic dignity;

that all of our survival is tied to the survival of everyone;

Kewujudan kita semua

bergantung pada kewujudan setiap orang.

that our visions of technology and design

Visi kita dalam teknologi, reka bentuk, hiburan dan kreativiti

Visi kita dalam teknologi, reka bentuk, hiburan dan kreativiti

and entertainment and creativity

perlu wujud bersama

have to be married with visions of humanity, compassion and justice.

visi kita dalam kemanusiaan, belas kasihan dan keadilan.

Tapi yang lebih penting,

And more than anything, for those of you who share that,

bagi anda yang berfikiran begitu,

I've simply come to tell you

saya datang untuk beritahu anda,

to keep your eyes on the prize, hold on.

"Tumpukan pada sasaran anda. Bertahan."

Terima kasih.

Thank you very much.

(Applause and cheers)

(Tepukan)

Chris Anderson: Brian, so you heard and saw

Chris Anderson: Anda telah mendengar dan melihat

an obvious desire by this audience, this community,

keinginan para hadiran, komuniti ini,

to help you on your way and to do something on this issue.

untuk membantu anda melakukan sesuatu tentang isu ini.

Other than writing a check,

Selain menderma,

apa yang boleh kita lakukan?

what could we do?

BS: Well, there are opportunities all around us.

BS: Terdapat banyak peluang di sekitar kita.

If you live in the state of California, for example,

Jika anda tinggal di California, contohnya,

terdapat sebuah pungutan suara pada musim bunga ini

there's a referendum coming up this spring

di mana terdapat usaha

where there's going to be an effort to redirect some of the money we spend

untuk alihkan sebahagian wang yang kita belanjakan ke atas hukuman.

on the politics of punishment.

Contohnya, di California,

For example, here in California,

kita akan belanjakan satu bilion dolar

we're going to spend one billion dollars

ke atas hukuman mati dalam 5 tahun seterusnya.

on the death penalty in the next five years --

Satu bilion dolar.

one billion dollars.

And yet, 46 percent of all homicide cases don't result in arrest,

Tapi, 46% daripada kes homisid gagal diselesaikan.

Tapi, 46% daripada kes homisid gagal diselesaikan.

56 percent of all rape cases don't result.

56% daripada kes rogol gagal diselesaikan.

Jadi, terdapat peluang untuk mengubahnya.

So there's an opportunity to change that.

Pungutan suara ini mencadangkan agar wang ini

And this referendum would propose

having those dollars go to law enforcement and safety.

disalurkan kepada penguatkuasaan undang-undang dan keselamatan.

Saya rasa, peluang ini sememangnya wujud.

And I think that opportunity exists all around us.

CA: Terdapat penurunan yang besar

CA: There's been this huge decline in crime in America

dalam kadar jenayah di Amerika sepanjang 3 dekad yang lalu.

over the last three decades.

Kadangkala, dikatakan bahawa

And part of the narrative of that

is sometimes that it's about increased incarceration rates.

ia disebabkan kadar pemenjaraan yang meningkat.

Apa yang anda mahu beritahu orang yang mempercayainya?

What would you say to someone who believed that?

BS: Sebenarnya, kadar jenayah

BS: Well, actually, the violent crime rate has remained relatively stable.

tidak banyak berubah.

Kadar pemenjaraan beramai-ramai yang tinggi di negara ini

The great increase in mass incarceration in this country

bukan dalam kategori jenayah.

wasn't really in violent crime categories.

Ia berkaitan dengan dadah.

It was this misguided war on drugs.

That's where the dramatic increases have come

Itulah yang akibatkan peningkatan yang tinggi

in our prison population.

dalam jumlah banduan di penjara.

(Applause)

And we got carried away with the rhetoric of punishment.

Kita terbawa-bawa oleh keberkesanan hukuman.

And so we have "Three Strikes" laws

Jadi, kita ada undang-undang

that put people in prison forever

yang masukkan orang ke penjara selama-lamanya

for stealing a bicycle, for low-level property crimes,

kerana mencuri basikal, mencuri sedikit harta benda,

rather than making them give those resources back

tapi bukannya menyebabkan mereka kembalikan semua itu kepada mangsa.

to the people who they victimized.

tapi bukannya menyebabkan mereka kembalikan semua itu kepada mangsa.

I believe we need to do more

Kita perlu lakukan lebih banyak perkara untuk bantu mangsa jenayah.

to help people who are victimized by crime,

Kita perlu lakukan lebih banyak perkara untuk bantu mangsa jenayah.

not do less.

Falsafah hukuman kita pada masa kini tidak berkesan.

And I think our current punishment philosophy

Falsafah hukuman kita pada masa kini tidak berkesan.

does nothing for no one.

And I think that's the orientation that we have to change.

Kita patut mengubahnya.

(Tepukan)

(Applause)

CA: Ceramah anda sangat memberangsangkan.

CA: Bryan, you've struck a massive chord here.

Anda orang yang memberikan inspirasi.

You're an inspiring person.

Thank you so much for coming to TED. Thank you.

Terima kasih kerana datang ke TED.

(Applause and cheers)

(Tepukan)

BS: Thank you. Thank you.

(Applause and cheers)