A hilarious celebration of lifelong female friendship | Jane Fonda and Lily Tomlin

Prevoditelj: Sanda L Recezent: Lucija Jelić

Pat Mitchell: So I was thinking about female friendship a lot,

Pat Mitchell: Dakle, mnogo sam razmišljala o ženskom prijateljstvu

and by the way, these two women,

i, usput, ove dvije žene,

I'm very honored to say,

čast mi je što to mogu reći,

have been my friends for a very long time, too.

jako dugo su moje prijateljice.

Jane Fonda: Yes we have.

Jane Fonda: Da, jesmo.

PM: And one of the things that I read about female friendship

PM: A nešto što čitam o ženskom prijateljstvu

is something that Cervantes said.

je nešto što je Cervantes rekao.

He said, "You can tell a lot about someone,"

Rekao je: "Možeš mnogo toga zaključiti o nekome",

in this case a woman,

u ovom slučaju o ženi,

"by the company that she keeps."

"na osnovu toga s kim se druži."

So let's start with --

Pa, započnimo --

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

JF: We're in big trouble.

JF: Nadrapale smo.

Lily Tomlin: Hand me one of those waters,

Lily Tomlin: Dodaj mi jednu vodu,

I'm extremely dry.

jako sam žedna.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

JF: You're taking up our time.

JF: Oduzimaš nam vrijeme.

We have a very limited --

Imamo vrlo ograničeno --

LT: Just being with her sucks the life out of me.

LT: Samo njeno prisustvo isisava život iz mene.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

JF: You ain't seen nothing yet.

JF: Tek ćeš vidjeti.

Anyway -- sorry.

Kako bilo, ispričavam se.

PM: So tell me, what do you look for in a friend?

PM: Recite mi, što tražite kod prijatelja?

LT: I look for someone who has a sense of fun,

LT: Tražim nekoga tko se zna zabavljati,

who's audacious,

tko je odvažan,

who's forthcoming, who has politics,

tko je susretljiv, razumije se u politiku,

who has even a small scrap of passion for the planet,

tko ima imalo strasti za ovaj planet,

someone who's decent, has a sense of justice

tko je pristojan, ima osjećaj za pravdu

and who thinks I'm worthwhile.

i tko me smatra vrijednom pažnje.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

JF: You know, I was thinking this morning,

JF: Znate, razmišljala sam jutros,

I don't even know what I would do without my women friends.

ne znam ni što bih radila bez svojih prijateljica.

I mean it's, "I have my friends, therefore I am."

Mislim, to je ono: "Imam prijatelje, dakle, postojim."

LT: (Laughter)

LT: (Smijeh)

JF: No, it's true.

JF: Ne, istina je.

I exist because I have my women friends. They --

Ja postojim jer imam prijateljice. One...

You're one of them.

Ti si jedna od njih.

I don't know about you. But anyway --

Ne znam za tebe, ali kako bilo --

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

You know, they make me stronger, they make me smarter,

Znate, zbog njih sam jača, pametnija,

they make me braver.

hrabrija.

They tap me on the shoulder when I might be in need of course-correcting.

Potapšaju me po ramenu kad možda ne idem u pravom smjeru.

And most of them are a good deal younger than me, too.

A većinom su i prilično mlađe od mene.

You know? I mean, it's nice -- LT: Thank you.

Znate? Mislim, lijepo je to... LT: Hvala ti.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

JF: No, I do, I include you in that, because listen, you know --

JF: Ne, zaista, i ti si dio toga jer, slušaj, znaš,

it's nice to have somebody still around to play with and learn from

lijepo je i dalje imati nekoga blizu sebe za igru i učenje

when you're getting toward the end.

kada se bližite kraju.

I'm approaching -- I'll be there sooner than you.

Približavam se, stići ću tamo prije tebe.

LT: No, I'm glad to have you parallel aging alongside me.

LT: Ne, drago mi je što stariš paralelno sa mnom.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

JF: I'm showing you the way.

JF: Pokazujem ti kako.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

LT: Well, you are and you have.

LT: Pa, zaista to radiš i radila si.

PM: Well, as we grow older,

PM: Dakle, kako starimo

and as we go through different kinds of life's journeys,

i kako prolazimo kroz različite vrste životnih iskustava,

what do you do to keep your friendships vital and alive?

što radite kako biste održale prijateljstvo vitalnim i živim?

LT: Well you have to use a lot of --

LT: Pa, morate koristiti mnogo --

JF: She doesn't invite me over much, I'll tell you that.

JF: Ne poziva me često k sebi, to vam mogu reći.

LT: I have to use a lot of social media --

LT: Moram dosta koristiti društvene mreže.

You be quiet now. And so --

Ti, tiho tamo. I tako --

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

LT: And I look through my emails, I look through my texts

LT: I pregledam mailove, SMS-ove,

to find my friends,

kako bih našla prijatelje

so I can answer them as quickly as possible,

i odgovorila im što je brže moguće,

because I know they need my counsel.

jer znam da im je potreban moj savjet.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Potrebna im je moja podrška,

They need my support,

because most of my friends are writers, or activists, or actors,

jer su moji prijatelji većinom pisci, aktivisti ili glumci,

and you're all three ...

a ti si sve to,

and a long string of other descriptive phrases,

i čitav niz drugih opisnih fraza,

and I want to get to you as soon as possible,

i želim ti odgovoriti što je prije moguće,

I want you to know that I'm there for you.

želim da znaš da sam tu za tebe.

JF: Do you do emojis?

JF: Koristiš li emotikone?

LT: Oh ... JF: No?

LT: Oh... JF: Ne?

LT: That's embarrassing. JF: I'm really into emojis.

LT: Sram me je. JF: Ja baš volim emotikone.

LT: No, I spell out my --

LT: Ne, ja ispisujem...

I spell out my words of happiness and congratulations,

Ispisujem svoje izraze sreće, čestitke

and sadness.

i tugu.

JF: You spell it right out --

JF: Ispisuješ sve --

LT: I spell it, every letter.

LT: Ispisujem svako slovo.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

JF: Such a purist.

JF: Kakva puritanka.

You know, as I've gotten older,

Znate, kako starim,

I've understood more the importance of friendships,

sve više razumijem značaj prijateljstva

and so, I really make an effort

i zato se zaista trudim

to reach out and make play dates -- not let too much time go by.

dogovarati susrete i ne dozvoliti da prođe previše vremena.

I read a lot

Puno čitam,

so, as Lily knows all too well,

kao što Lily i predobro zna,

knjige koje mi se svide šaljem prijateljicama.

my books that I like, I send to my friends.

LT: When we knew we would be here today

LT: Kad smo saznale da ćemo biti ovdje,

poslala si mi puno knjiga o ženama i ženskim prijateljstvima,

you sent me a lot of books about women, female friendships,

and I was so surprised to see how many books,

i bila sam iznenađena tolikim brojem knjiga,

how much research has been done recently --

koliko je istraživanja napravljeno u zadnje vrijeme.

JF: And were you grateful? LT: I was grateful.

JF: I jesi li mi bila zahvalna? LT: Bila sam zahvalna.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

PM: And --

PM: I --

LT: Wait, no, it's really important because this is another example

LT: Čekajte, ne, ovo je zaista važno jer ovo je još jedan primjer

of how women are overlooked, put aside, marginalized.

kako su žene zapostavljene, ostavljene po strani, marginalizirane.

There's been very little research done on us,

Vrlo malo istraživanja je obavljeno na nama,

even though we volunteered lots of times.

iako smo volontirale više puta.

JF: That's for sure.

JF: To sigurno.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

LT: This is really exciting, and you all will be interested in this.

LT: Ovo je vrlo uzbudljivo i svima će biti zanimljivo.

The Harvard Medical School study has shown

Istraživanje Medicinskog fakulteta na Harvardu je pokazalo

that women who have close female friendships

da su žene koje imaju bliske prijateljice

are less likely to develop impairments --

manje podložne pogoršanjima --

physical impairments as they age,

fizičkim pogoršanjima kako stare,

and they are likely to be seen to be living much more vital, exciting --

i češće daju dojam da žive vitalnije, uzbudljivije...

JF: And longer --

JF: I duže.

LT: Joyful lives.

LT: Radosnije živote.

JF: We live five years longer than men.

JF: Živimo pet godina duže od muškaraca.

LT: I think I'd trade the years for joy.

LT: Mislim da bih mijenjala godine za užitak.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

LT: But the most important part is they found --

LT: Ali najvažniji dio je da su otkrili,

the results were so exciting and so conclusive --

rezultati su bili tako uzbudljivi i tako uvjerljivi,

the researchers found

istraživači su otkrili

that not having close female friends is detrimental to your health,

da je odsustvo bliskih prijateljica štetno za vaše zdravlje,

as much as smoking or being overweight.

jednako koliko i pušenje ili prekomjerna težina.

JF: And there's something else, too --

JF: Tu je i još nešto...

LT: I've said my part, so ...

LT: Rekla sam svoje pa...

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

JF: OK, well, listen to my part, because there's an additional thing.

JF: U redu, poslušaj sada moj dio, jer ima tu još nešto.

Because they only -- for years, decades --

Jer oni su jedino, godinama, desetljećima,

they only researched men when they were trying to understand stress,

jedino su istraživali muškarce kada su pokušavali razumjeti stres,

only very recently have they researched what happens to women when we're stressed,

tek su nedavno počeli istraživati što se događa ženama kad su pod stresom,

and it turns out that when we're stressed -- women,

i ispostavilo se da kada smo mi žene pod stresom,

our bodies get flooded by oxytocin.

naša tijela preplavi oksitocin.

Which is a feel-good, calming, stress-reducing hormone.

To je hormon dobrog raspoloženja, koji smiruje i umanjuje stres.

Which is also increased when we're with our women friends.

Njegova razina raste i kada smo s prijateljicama.

And I do think that's one reason why we live longer.

I mislim da je to jedan od razloga zašto živimo duže.

And I feel so bad for men because they don't have that.

I žao mi je muškaraca jer oni to nemaju.

Testosterone in men diminishes the effects of oxytocin.

Testosteron kod muškaraca smanjuje učinak oksitocina.

LT: Well, when you and I and Dolly made "9 to 5" ...

LT: Pa kad smo ti, ja i Dolly po cijeli dan...

JF: Oh --

JF: Oh...

LT: We laughed, we did, we laughed so much,

LT: Smijale smo se, da, toliko smo se smijale,

we found we had so much in common and we're so different.

jer imamo toliko toga zajedničkog, a tako smo različite.

Here she is, like Hollywood royalty,

Ona je poput holivudske kraljevne,

ja sam poput grube klinke iz Detroita,

I'm like a tough kid from Detroit,

[Dolly's] a Southern kid from a poor town in Tennessee,

ona je dijete s juga, iz siromašnog grada Tennesseeja,

and we found we were so in sync as women,

a otkrile smo da smo toliko međusobno u skladu kao žene

and we must have --

i mora da smo,

we laughed -- we must have added at least a decade onto our lifespans.

toliko smo se smijale, da smo si sigurno međusobno produžile živote za desetljeće.

JF: I think -- we sure crossed our legs a lot.

JF: Vjerujem, svakako je bilo mnogo prekriženh nogu.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

If you know what I mean.

Ako razumijete što želim reći.

LT: I think we all know what you mean.

LT: Mislim da svi razumijemo što želiš reći.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

PM: You're adding decades to our lives right now.

PM: Upravo sada dodajete desetljeća našim životima.

So among the books that Jane sent us both to read on female friendship

Dakle, među knjigama koje nam je Jane poslala da čitamo o ženskom prijateljstvu,

was one by a woman we admire greatly, Sister Joan Chittister,

je knjiga žene kojoj se iznimno divimo, sestre Joan Chittister,

who said about female friendship

koja je za žensko prijateljstvo rekla

that women friends are not just a social act,

da prijateljice nisu samo društveni čin,

they're a spiritual act.

one su duhovni čin.

Do you think of your friends as spiritual?

Razmišljaš li tako o svojim prijateljicama?

Do they add something spiritual to your lives?

Donose li dozu duhovnosti u tvoj život?

LT: Spiritual -- I absolutely think that.

LT: Duhovno - apsolutno vjerujem u to.

Because -- especially people you've known a long time,

Jer, osobito ljudi koje dugo poznajete,

people you've spent time with --

s kojima ste provodili vrijeme,

I can see the spiritual essence inside them,

mogu vidjeti njihovu duhovnu bit,

the tenderness, the vulnerability.

nježnost, ranjivost.

There's actually kind of a love, an element of love in the relationship.

Zapravo, to je vrsta ljubavi, element ljubavi u vezi.

I just see deeply into your soul.

Jednostavno vidim duboko u tvoju dušu.

PM: Do you think that, Jane --

PM: Misliš li, Jane --

LT: But I have special powers.

LT: No ja imam supermoći.

JF: Well, there's all kinds of friends.

JF: Pa, postoje razne vrste prijatelja.

There's business friends, and party friends,

Poslovni prijatelji i prijatelji za zabave,

I've got a lot of those.

njih imam puno.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

But the oxytocin-producing friendships have ...

No, prijateljstva koja proizvode oksitocin...

They feel spiritual because it's a heart opening, right?

Ona imaju nešto duhovno jer otvaraju dušu, zar ne?

You know, we go deep. And --

Znate, otvaramo se. I...

I find that I shed tears a lot with my intimate friends.

Otkrila sam da dosta plačem sa svojim bliskim prijateljicama.

Not because I'm sad but because I'm so touched and inspired by them.

Ne zato što sam tužna, već zato što sam dirnuta i inspirirana njima.

LT: And you know one of you is going to go soon.

LT: A i znaš da će jedna od vas uskoro otići.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

PM: Well, two of us are sitting here, Lily, which one are you talking about?

PM: Pa, nas dvije sjedimo ovdje, Lily, o kojoj pričaš?

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And I always think, when women talk about their friendships,

I uvijek mislim da kad žene pričaju o svojim prijateljstvima,

that men always look a little mystified.

da muškarci uvijek izgledaju pomalo zbunjeno.

What are the differences, in your opinion,

Koje su razlike, po tvom mišljenju,

between men friendships and women friendships?

između muških i ženskih prijateljstava?

JF: There's a lot of difference,

JF: Puno je razlika

and I think we have to have a lot of empathy for men --

i mislim da moramo imati puno suosjećanja prema muškarcima --

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

that they don't have what we have.

jer nemaju to što mi imamo.

Which I think may be why they die sooner.

Zbog čega mislim da ranije umiru.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

I have a lot of compassion for men,

Suosjećam s muškarcima

because women, no kidding, we --

jer žene, ne šalim se, mi --

women's relationships, our friendships are full disclosure, we go deep.

ženske veze, naša prijateljstva su potpuno razotkrivanje.

They're revelatory.

Ona nas otkrivaju.

We risk vulnerability -- this is something men don't do.

Mi riskiramo ranjivost, nešto što muškarci ne rade.

I mean how many times have I asked you, "Am I doing OK?"

Mislim, koliko puta sam te pitala: "Kako mi ide?"

"Did I really screw up there?"

"Jesam li ono stvarno zeznula?"

PM: You're doing great.

PM: Odlično ti ide.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

JF: But I mean, we ask questions like that

JF: Mislim, mi postavljamo takva pitanja

of our women friends,

svojim prijateljicama,

and men don't.

muškarci ne.

You know, people describe women's relationships as face-to-face,

Znate, ženska prijateljstva se opisuju kao direktna, licem u lice,

whereas men's friendships are more side-by-side.

dok su muška prijateljstva više bok uz bok.

LT: I mean most of the time men don't want to reveal their emotions,

LT: Mislim, muškarci uglavnom ne žele otkriti svoje emocije,

they want to bury deeper feelings.

žele zakopati dublje osjećaje.

I mean, that's the general, conventional thought.

Mislim, to je opća, konvencionalna misao.

They would rather go off in their man cave and watch a game or hit golf balls,

Radije bi otišli u svoju mušku pećinu, gledali utakmicu, udarali loptice za golf,

or talk about sports, or hunting, or cars or have sex.

pričali o sportu, lovu, automobilima ili seksu.

I mean, it's just the kind of -- it's a more manly behavior.

Mislim, to je nekako - to je muževnije ponašanje.

JF: You meant -- LT: They talk about sex.

JF: Misliš... Pričaju o seksu.

I meant they might have sex

Mislim, mogu dobiti seks

if they could get somebody in their man cave to --

ako uspiju dovesti nekoga u svoju mušku pećinu da -

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

JF: You know something, though, that I find very interesting --

JF: Znate li što mi je ipak vrlo zanimljivo --

and again, psychologists didn't know this until relatively recently --

psiholozi nisu znali za ovo sve donedavno,

is that men are born every bit as relational as women are.

da su muškarci rođeni kao potpuno skloni vezama kao i žene.

If you look at films of newborn baby boys and girls,

Ako pogledate snimke novorođenih dječaka i djevojčica,

you'll see the baby boys just like the girls,

vidjet ćete da dječaci, baš kao i djevojčice,

gazing into their mother's eyes,

gledaju u majčine oči,

you know, needing that relational exchange of energy.

znate, potrebna im je ta međusobna razmjena energije.

When the mother looks away, they could see the dismay on the child,

Kad majka odvrati pogled, može se vidjeti zaprepaštenje kod djeteta,

even the boy would cry.

čak bi i dječaci zaplakali.

They need relationship.

Potrebna im je veza.

So the question is why, as they grow older, does that change?

Stoga je pitanje: zašto se, kako odrastaju, to mijenja?

And the answer is patriarchal culture,

A odgovor je u patrijarhalnoj kulturi,

which says to boys and young men

koja govori dječacima i mladim muškarcima

that to be needing of relationship, to be emotional with someone is girly.

da je potreba za vezom, za razmjenom osjećaja s nekim, za djevojčice.

That a real man doesn't ask directions or express a need,

Da pravi muškarac ne pita za smjer ili ne izražava potrebe,

they don't go to doctors if they feel bad.

ne ide liječniku kad se osjeća loše.

They don't ask for help.

Ne traži pomoć.

There's a quote that I really like,

Jako mi se sviđa jedan citat,

"Men fear that becoming 'we' will erase his 'I'."

"Muškarci se boje da će, ako postanu 'mi', nestati njihovo 'ja'."

You know, his sense of self.

Znate, njihova svijest o sebi.

Whereas women's sense of self has always been kind of porous.

Dok je svijest o sebi kod žena oduvijek bila nekako porozna.

But our "we" is our saving grace,

No naše "mi" je naš spas,

it's what makes us strong.

to nas čini jakima.

It's not that we're better than men,

Nije da smo bolje od muškaraca,

we just don't have our masculinity to prove.

nego ne moramo dokazivati svoju muškost.

LT: And, well --

LT: I...

JF: That's a Gloria Steinem quote.

JF: To je citat Glorije Steinem.

So we can express our humanity -- LT: I know who Gloria Steinem is.

Dakle, mi izražavamo svoju ljudskost... LT: Znam tko je Gloria Steinem.

JF: I know you know who she is, but I think it's a --

JF: Znam da znaš, ali mislim da --

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

No, but it's a great quote, I think.

Smatram da je to sjajan citat.

We're not better than men, we just don't have our masculinity to prove.

Nije da smo bolje od muškaraca, nego ne moramo dokazivati svoju muškost.

And that's really important.

A to je zaista važno.

LT: But men are so inculcated in the culture

LT: No muškarci su toliko stopljeni s kulturom,

to be comfortable in the patriarchy.

da im je udobno u patrijarhatu.

And we've got to make something different happen.

A mi moramo nešto promijeniti.

JF: Women's friendships are like a renewable source of power.

JF: Ženska prijateljstva su poput obnovljivih izvora energije.

LT: Well, that's what's exciting about this subject.

LT: Pa, to je uzbudljivo kod ove teme.

It's because our friendships --

Zato što naša prijateljstva,

female friendships are just a hop to our sisterhood,

ženska prijateljstva su jednostavno skok u sestrinstvo,

and sisterhood can be a very powerful force,

a sestrinstvo može biti vrlo jaka sila,

to give the world --

koja će svijetu dati --

to make it what it should be --

učiniti ga onim što bi trebao biti,

the things that humans desperately need.

ono što ljudima očajnički treba.

PM: It is why we're talking about it,

PM: Zato razgovaramo o tome,

because women's friendships are,

jer ženska prijateljstva jesu,

as you said, Jane,

kao što si rekla, Jane,

a renewable source of power.

obnovljivi izvori energije.

So how do we use that power?

Pa kako da iskoristimo tu moć?

JF: Well, women are the fastest growing demographic in the world,

JF: Žene su najbrže rastuća populacija na svijetu,

especially older women.

naročito starije žene.

And if we harness our power, we can change the world.

I ako upregnemo svoju snagu, možemo promijeniti svijet.

And guess what? We need to.

I znate što? Moramo.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

And we need to do it soon.

I moramo to što prije.

And one of the things that we need to do --

A jedna od stvari koje moramo učiniti,

and we can do it as women --

a mi to, kao žene, možemo,

for one thing, we kind of set the consumer standards.

mi na neki način postavljamo potrošačke standarde.

We need to consume less.

Moramo smanjiti potrošnju.

We in the Western world need to consume less

Mi u zapadnom svijetu moramo smanjiti potrošnju,

and when we buy things, we need to buy things that are made locally,

a kada kupujemo stvari, trebamo kupovati ono što je proizvedeno lokalno,

when we buy food, we need to buy food that's grown locally.

kada kupujemo hranu, trebamo kupovati onu koja je uzgajana lokalno.

We are the ones that need to get off the grid.

Mi smo ti koji se moramo maknuti s energetske mreže.

We need to make ourselves independent from fossil fuels.

Moramo prestati ovisiti o fosilnim gorivima.

And the fossil fuel companies --

A kompanije za fosilna goriva,

the Exxons and the Shell Oils and those bad guys --

one poput Exxona, Shell Oilsa i njima sličnih negativaca,

cause they are --

jer oni to jesu,

are going to tell us that we can't do it without going back to the Stone Age.

reći će nam da to ne možemo napraviti a da se ne vratimo u kameno doba.

You know, that the alternatives just aren't quite there yet,

Znate, da alternativni izvori još uvijek nisu dovoljno dobri,

and that's not true.

što nije točno.

There are countries in the world right now

Danas postoje države u svijetu

that are living mostly on renewable energy and doing just fine.

koje uglavnom žive na obnovljivoj energiji i sasvim im je dobro.

And they tell us that if we do wean ourselves from fossil fuel

I govore nam da, ako se odviknemo od fosilnih goriva,

that we're going to be back in the Stone Age,

da ćemo se vratiti u kameno doba,

and in fact, if we begin to use renewable energy,

a zapravo, ako počnemo koristiti obnovljivu energiju,

and not drill in the Arctic, and not drill --

umjesto što bušimo po Arktiku...

LT: Oh, boy.

LT: O, bože.

JF: And not drill in the Alberta tar sands --

JF: I da ne bušimo po naftnom pijesku Alberte --

Right.

Tako je.

That we will be --

Bit ćemo,

there will be more democracy and more jobs and more well-being,

imat ćemo više demokracije, više posla i više blagostanja,

and it's women that are going to lead the way.

a žene su te koje će to predvoditi.

LT: Maybe we have the momentum to start a third-wave feminist movement

LT: Možda imamo impuls da započnemo treći val feminističkog pokreta

with our sisterhood around the world,

s našim sestrinstvima širom svijeta,

with women we don't see, women we may never meet,

sa ženama koje ne vidimo, sa ženama koje možda nikad ne upoznamo,

but we join together that way,

ali se na taj način udružimo

because --

jer

Aristotle said --

Aristotel je rekao,

most people --

većina ljudi,

people would die without male friendships.

ljudi bi umrli bez muških prijatelja.

And the operative word here was "male."

Glavna riječ ovdje je "muških".

Because they thought that friendships should be between equals

Smatrali su da bi prijateljstva trebala biti među jednakima,

and women were not considered equal --

a žene nisu smatrane jednakima...

JF: They didn't think we had souls even, the Greeks.

JF: Grci čak nisu smatrali ni da imamo dušu.

LT: No, exactly. That shows you just how limited Aristotle was.

LT: Točno. To vam samo pokazuje koliko je Aristotel bio ograničen.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And wait, no, here's the best part.

I čekajte, ne, ovo je najbolji dio.

It's like, you know, men do need women now.

Znate, muškarcima su sada potrebne žene.

The planet needs women.

Planet treba žene.

The US Constitution needs women.

Ustavu SAD-a su potrebne žene.

We are not even in the Constitution.

Mi nismo čak ni u Ustavu.

JF: You're talking about the Equal Rights Amendment.

JF: Govoriš o Amandmanu o jednakim pravima.

LT: Tako je. JF: Da.

LT: Right.

Justice Ginsberg said something like --

Justice Ginsberg nedavno je rekla nešto u smislu,

every constitution that's been written since the end of World War II

u svaki ustav koji je napisan od završetka Drugog svjetskog rata

included a provision that made women citizens of equal stature,

uvrštena je odredba kojom su žene proglašene građanima jednakog statusa,

but ours does not.

no u našem nije tako.

So that would be a good place to start.

Pa bi bilo dobro početi odatle.

Very, very mild --

Vrlo, vrlo blago.

JF: Right.

JF: Baš tako.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

And gender equality, it's like a tide,

A rodna ravnopravnost je poput plime,

it would lift all boats, not just women.

podigla bi sve brodove, ne samo žene.

PM: Needing new role models on how to do that.

PM: Potrebni su nam novi uzori kako to postići.

How to be friends,

Kako da budemo prijatelji,

how to think about our power in different ways,

kako da razmišljamo o moći drugačije,

as consumers,

kao potrošači,

as citizens of the world,

kao građani svijeta,

and this is what makes Jane and Lily

i zato su Jane i Lily

a role model of how women can be friends --

uzori za ženska prijateljstva

for a very long time,

na duge staze,

and even if they occasionally disagree.

čak i kad se povremeno ne slažu.

Thank you.

Hvala vam.

Thank you both.

Hvala objema.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

JF: Thanks.

JF: Hvala.

LT: Thank you.

LT: Hvala.

JF: Thank you.

JF: Hvala.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)