Dan Dennett: Responding to Pastor Rick Warren

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Lijepo je opet biti tu.

It's wonderful to be back.

I love this wonderful gathering.

Volim ovakva divna okupljanja

And you must be wondering, "What on earth?

Mora da se pitate, "što je to dovraga?

Have they put up the wrong slide?"

Jesu li stavili pogrešan slide?"

No, no.

Ne, ne

Look at this magnificent beast,

Pogledajte ovu predivnu životinju i zapitajte se -- tko je dizajner?

and ask the question: Who designed it?

Ovo je TED.

Ovo je Tehnologija, Zabava, Dizajn... a tu je i krava muzara.

This is TED; this is Technology, Entertainment, Design,

and there's a dairy cow.

It's a quite wonderfully designed animal.

Predivno dizajnirana životinja.

And I was thinking, how do I introduce this?

Razmišljao sam, kako da ovo predstavim?

And I thought, well, maybe that old doggerel by Joyce Kilmer,

Pa sam pomislio, pa možda putem grubih stihova Joyca Kilmera,

you know: "Poems are made by fools like me, but only God can make a tree."

znate ono: "stihovi stvaraju glupani poput mene,

ali samo Bog može stvoriti drvo."

A vi možete reći, "Pa, Bog je dizajnirao kravu."

And you might say, "Well, God designed the cow."

But, of course, God got a lot of help.

Ali, naravno, Bog je imao veliku pomoć..

This is the ancestor of cattle.

Ovo je predak goveda.

This is the aurochs.

Ovo je Oriks.

And it was designed by natural selection,

Dizajniran je prirodnom selekcijom,

the process of natural selection, over many millions of years.

procesom prirodne selekcije tijekom mnoštva milijona godina.

And then it became domesticated, thousands of years ago.

I onda je pripitomljen prije mnogo tisuća godina.

And human beings became its stewards,

Ljudi su postali njegovi skrbnici,

and, without even knowing what they were doing,

i bez da su znali što rade

they gradually redesigned it and redesigned it and redesigned it.

uspješno su ga redizajnirali i redizajnirali i redizajnirali.

And then more recently, they really began to do reverse engineering on this beast

I onda su, nedavno, ozbiljno započeli

provoditi svojevrsni obratni inženjering na ovom biću

and figure out just what the parts were, how they worked

da shvate koji su joj dijelovi, kako rade

and how they might be optimized -- how they might be made better.

i kako se mogu optimizirati -- kako postići da bolje rade.

Now, why am I talking about cows?

Zašto ja sada govorim o kravama?

Because I want to say that much the same thing is true of religions.

Zato što želim reći kako je isto i sa religijama.

Religions are natural phenomena -- they're just as natural as cows.

Religije su prirodni fenomen.

Prirodne su poput krava.

They have evolved over millennia.

Evoluirale su kroz tisućljeća.

Imaju biološku bazu poput Oriksa.

They have a biological base, just like the aurochs.

They have become domesticated,

Pripitomljene su, a ljudi

and human beings have been redesigning their religions for thousands of years.

su ih redizajnirali tisućama godina.

This is TED, and I want to talk about design.

Ovo je TED, i ja želim govoriti o dizajnu.

Because what I've been doing for the last four years --

Zbog toga jer to radim posljednje četiri godine,

really since the first time you saw me --

zapravo odkad ste me prvi put vidjeli -- neki od vas vidjeli su me na TED-u

some of you saw me at TED when I was talking about religion --

kada sam govorio o religiji, i u zadnje četiri godine

and in the last four years,

I've been working just about non-stop on this topic.

radio sam neprestano na ovoj temi.

And you might say it's about the reverse engineering of religions.

I možete reći da je riječ o obratnom inženjeringu religije.

Now that very idea, I think, strikes terror in many people,

Mislim da ta ideja užasava mnoge,

or anger, or anxiety of one sort or another.

ili ih ljuti ili im stvara tjeskobu.

And that is the spell that I want to break.

To je čarolija koju želim prekinuti.

I want to say, no, religions are an important natural phenomenon.

Želim reći: ne, religije su važan prirodni fenomen.

We should study them with the same intensity

Trebamo ih proučavati s istim intenzitetom

that we study all the other important natural phenomena,

kao što to radimo i sa ostalim prirodnim fenomenima,

like global warming, as we heard so eloquently last night from Al Gore.

poput globalnog zatopljenje, što smo tako rječito čuli od Al Gorea.

Današnje su religije savršeno dizajnirane, savršeno dizajnirane.

Today's religions are brilliantly designed -- brilliantly designed.

They are immensely powerful social institutions

One su silno moćne društvene institucije

and many of their features can be traced back to earlier features

i mnoge njihove značajke možemo povezati s ranijim značajkama

that we can really make sense of by reverse engineering.

koje uistinu možemo shvatiti tek ako koristimo obratni inženjering.

And, as with the cow, there's a mixture of evolutionary design --

I, kao kod krava, tu je mješavina evolucijskog dizajna,

designed by natural selection itself --

dizajniranog prirodnom selekcijom, i inteligentnog dizajna --

and intelligent design --

more or less intelligent design --

više ili manje inteligentnog dizajna -- redizajniranog od strane ljudi

and redesigned by human beings

who are trying to redesign their religions.

koji su pokušavali redizajnirati svoje religije.

You don't do book talks at TED,

Na TED-u se ne održavaju govori iz knjiga, ali ja ću imati samo jedan slide

but I'm going to have just one slide about my book,

o mojoj knjizi, jer je u njoj jedna poruka

because there is one message in it

koju ova grupa stvarno mora čuti.

which I think this group really needs to hear.

And I would be very interested to get your responses to this.

Volio bi dobiti vaš odgovor na ovo.

It's the one policy proposal that I make in the book,

To je jedan politički prijedlog koji sam dao u knjizi,

at this time, when I claim not to know enough about religion

u vremenu kada tvrdim kako ne znam dovoljno o religiji

to know what other policy proposals to make.

da bi znao dovoljno da predložim drugačije.

And it's one that echoes remarks that you've heard already today.

To je odjek ideja koje ste danas već čuli.

Here's my proposal,

Evo mog prijedloga.

I'm going to just take a couple of minutes to explain it:

Uzet ću si nekoliko minuta da ga objasnim --

Education on world religions for all of our children --

obrazovanje naše djece o svjetskim religijama u osnovnim školama,

in primary school, in high school,

srednjim školama, javnim školama, privatnim školama, i kućnom obrazovanju.

in public schools, in private schools and in home schooling.

So what I'm proposing is,

Ono što predlažem je,

just as we require reading, writing, arithmetic, American history,

da isto kao što zahtjevamo čitanje, pisanje, računanje, povijest,

so we should have a curriculum on facts about all the religions of the world --

tako bi trebali imati i nastavni plan

o svjetskim religijama --

o njihovoj povijesti, pravilima, tekstovima,

about their history, about their creeds, about their texts,

their music, their symbolisms, their prohibitions, their requirements.

glazbi, simbolima, zabranama, obavezama.

And this should be presented factually, straightforwardly,

To bi trebalo prezentirati preko činjenica, izravno

with no particular spin, to all of the children in the country.

bez posebnog "spina", svoj djeci u zemlji.

And as long as you teach them that,

Ukoliko ih time podučavate,

you can teach them anything else you like.

možete ih podučavati i svemu ostalom.

That, I think, is maximal tolerance for religious freedom.

To je, mislim, maksimalna tolerancija spram religijske slobode.

As long as you inform your children about other religions,

Ukoliko djecu podučavate ostalim religijama

then you may -- and as early as you like and whatever you like --

tada ih možete -- koliko to rano želite i što god želite,

teach them whatever creed you want them to learn.

podučavati bilo kojim smjernicama koje želite da nauče.

But also let them know about other religions.

Ali ih i pustite da znaju o drugim religijama.

Now, why do I say that?

Zašto to govorim?

Because democracy depends on an informed citizenship.

Jer demokracija ovisi o upućenosti građana.

Informed consent is the very bedrock of our understanding of democracy.

Upućeni pristanak je temelj

našeg razumijevanja demokracije.

Misinformed consent is not worth it.

Neupućeni pristanak nije vrijedan.

It's like a coin flip; it doesn't count, really.

To je poput bacanja novčića, jednostavno nije -- ne broji se.

Democracy depends on informed consent.

Demokracija ovisi o informiranosti.

This is the way we treat people as responsible adults.

To je način da ljude tretiramo kao odgovorna bića.

Malodobna djeca su poseban slučaj.

Now, children below the age of consent are a special case.

Parents -- I'm going to use a word that Pastor Rick just used --

Upotrijebiti ću riječ koju je upotrijebio pastor Rick --

parents are stewards of their children.

roditelji su djetetovi skrbnici.

Oni ih ne posjeduju.

They don't own them.

You can't own your children.

Ne možete posjedovati svoju djecu.

You have a responsibility to the world,

Vi imate odgovornost prema svijetu,

to the state, to them, to take care of them right.

prema državi, prema njima, da se brinete za njih.

You may teach them whatever creed you think is most important,

Možete ih podučavati bilo kojim pravilima vi mislili da su najvažnija,

but I say you have a responsibility to let them be informed

ali ja kažem da imate odgovornost da im osigurate informiranost

about all the other creeds in the world, too.

i o drugim idejama na svijetu.

The reason I've taken this time is I've been fascinated to hear

Razlog što sam si uzeo ovo vrijeme je što sam fasciniran

some of the reactions to this.

nekim reakcijama koje čujem na ovo.

One reviewer for a Roman Catholic newspaper called it "totalitarian."

Jedan ocjenjivač za Rimokatoličke novine to je nazvao "totalitarno".

It strikes me as practically libertarian.

To mi je gotovo libertarijanski.

Is it totalitarian to require reading, writing and arithmetic?

Je li totalitarno zahtjevati čitanje, pisanje i računanje?

I don't think so.

Mislim da nije.

All I'm saying is --

Sve što tražim su -- činjenice. Samo činjenice.

and facts, facts only; no values, just facts --

Bez vrijednosti, samo činjenice o svjetskim religijama.

about all the world's religions.

Another reviewer called it "hilarious."

Drugi je to nazvao "smiješnim".

Well, I'm really bothered by the fact

Pa, stvarno me smeta

that anybody would think that was hilarious.

da bi bilo tko pomislio kako je to smiješno.

It seems to me to be such a plausible,

Čini mi se da je to vjerojatan,

natural extension of the democratic principles we already have

prirodni produžetak demokratskih načela koje već imamo,

that I'm shocked to think anybody would find that just ridiculous.

da sam šokiran time da to netko smatra smiješnim.

I know many religions

Znam da se mnoge religije trude očuvati čistoću

are so anxious about preserving the purity of their faith among their children

vjere preko svoje djece da su naumili

that they are intent on keeping their children ignorant of other faiths.

držati ih u neznanju o drugim vjerama.

I don't think that's defensible.

Ne mislim da je to dobar razlog, ali bi stvarno volio

But I'd really be pleased to get your answers on that --

da dobijem o tome vaše odgovore -- bilo kakvu reakciju na to -- kasnije.

any reactions to that -- later.

But now I'm going to move on.

Ali sad ću nastaviti.

Back to the cow.

Vratimo se kravi.

This picture, which I pulled off the web --

Ovu sliku, koju sam uzeo s interneta --

the fellow on the left is really an important part of this picture.

dečko s lijeva je stvarno bitan dio ove slike.

That's the steward.

to je skrbnik.

Cows couldn't live without human stewards -- they're domesticated.

Krave ne bi trebale živjeti bez ljudske skrbi -- one su pripitomljene.

They're a sort of ectosymbiont.

To je svojevrsna moć simbioze.

They depend on us for their survival.

Njihovo preživljavanje ovisi o nama.

And Pastor Rick was just talking about sheep.

I pastor Rick je govorio o ovcama.

I'm going to talk about sheep, too.

I ja ću govoriti o ovcama.

There's a lot of serendipitous convergence here.

Baš je to sretna slučajnosti.

How clever it was of sheep to acquire shepherds!

Kako je od ovaca bilo pametno što su si nabavile skrbnike!

(Laughter)

Think of what this got them.

Zamislite što im je to donijelo.

They could outsource all their problems:

Riješili su sve svoje probleme:

protection from predators, food-finding ...

zaštićene su od grabežljivaca, daje im se hrana, brine se o njihovom zdravlju.

(Laughter)

... health maintenance.

(Laughter)

The only cost in most flocks -- not even this -- a loss of free mating.

Jedina cijena većine stada je gubitak slobode parenja.

What a deal!

Dobra pogodba.

"How clever of sheep!" you might say.

"Kako su samo pametne te ovce!" mogli biste reći.

Except, of course, it wasn't the sheep's cleverness.

Osim, naravno, ako to nije bila ovčja pamet.

Svi znamo da one baš i nisu vrhunski znanstvenici -- nisu jako pametne.

We all know sheep are not exactly rocket scientists -- they're not very smart.

To uopće nije bila njihova pamet.

It wasn't the cleverness of the sheep at all.

They were clueless.

Nisu imale pojma.

Ali, bio je to vrlo pametan potez.

But it was a very clever move.

Whose clever move was it?

Čiji pametan potez?

It was the clever move of natural selection itself.

Bio je to pametan potez same prirodne selekcije.

Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the structure of DNA

Francis Crick, suotkrivač strukture DNK

with Jim Watson,

sa Jimom Watsonom, jednom se našalio s nečim što je nazvao Orgelovo drugo pravilo.

once joked about what he called Orgel's Second Rule.

Leslie Orgel is a molecular biologist, brilliant guy,

Leslie Orgel je još uvijek molekularni biolog, predivna osoba,

and Orgel's Second Rule is:

a njegovo je drugo pravilo: evolucija je pametnija od vas samih.

Evolution is cleverer than you are.

Now, that is not Intelligent Design -- not from Francis Crick.

I sada, to nije inteligentni dizajn -- ne od Francisa Cricka

Evolution is cleverer than you are.

Evolucija je pametnija od vas samih.

If you understand Orgel's Second Rule, then you understand

Ako razumijeta Orgelovo drugo pravilo, onda razumijete

why the Intelligent Design movement is basically a hoax.

zašto je inteligentni dizajn obična prijevara.

The designs discovered by the process of natural selection

Dizajni koji su nastali kao posljedica prirodne selekcije

are brilliant, unbelievably brilliant.

su brilijantni, nevjerojatno brilijantni.

Again and again biologists are fascinated with the brilliance of what's discovered.

Iznova i iznova biolozi su fascinirani brilijantnošću onog što otkrivaju.

But the process itself is without purpose,

Ali sam proces je bez svrhe,

without foresight, without design.

bez planiranja, bez dizajna.

When I was here four years ago,

Kada sam prije četiri godine bio ovdje,

I told the story about an ant climbing a blade of grass.

ispričao sam priču o mravu koji se penje uz vlat trave.

And why the ant was doing it was because its brain had been infected

Zašto je to mrav radio?

Pa, zato jer je njegov um bio inficiran lancetnim iverkom koji je --

with a lancet fluke that was needed to get into the belly of a sheep or a cow

trebao dospjeti u želudac ovce ili krave u svrhu reprodukcije.

in order to reproduce.

So it was sort of a spooky story.

Bila je to pomalo stravična priča.

And I think some people may have misunderstood.

I mislim da su je neki ljudi krivo shvatili.

Lancet flukes aren't smart.

Lancetni iverak nije pametan.

I submit that the intelligence of a lancet fluke is down there,

Tvrdio sam da je njegova inteligencija ovdje dolje

somewhere between petunia and carrot.

negdje između petunije i mrkve.

They're not really bright. They don't have to be.

Oni nisu stvarno pametni. Ni ne trebaju biti.

The lesson we learn from this is:

Lekcija koju smo ovdje naučili je

you don't have to have a mind to be a beneficiary.

kako ne trebamo biti pametni da bi bili povlašteni.

The design is there in nature, but it's not in anybody's head.

Dizajn se nalazi u prirodi, ali nije u ničijoj glavi.

It doesn't have to be.

Ni ne treba biti.

That's the way evolution works.

Tako radi evolucija.

Question: Was domestication good for sheep?

Pitanje -- da li je pripitomljavanje bilo dobro za ovce?

Bilo je sjajno za njihov genetički rast.

It was great for their genetic fitness.

Ovdje vas želim podsjetiti na jednu zanimljivu misao

And here I want to remind you of a wonderful point

that Paul MacCready made at TED three years ago.

koju je stvorio Paul MacCready na TED-u prije tri godine.

Here's what he said:

Rekao je sljedeće.

Prije 10,000 godina u svitanju agrikulture,

"Ten thousand years ago, at the dawn of agriculture,

human population, plus livestock and pets,

Ljudska populacija, sa stokom i kućnim ljubimcima, bila je približno

was approximately a tenth of one percent of the terrestrial vertebrate landmass."

0,1 posto biomase zemaljskih kralježnjaka.

That was just 10,000 years ago.

To je bilo samo prije 10,000 godina

U biološkim terminima, to je bilo jučer.

Yesterday, in biological terms.

What is it today? Does anybody remember what he told us?

Koliko je to danas? Sjeća li se itko što nam je rekao?

98 percent.

98 posto.

That is what we have done on this planet.

To je što smo napravili na ovom planetu.

Now, I talked to Paul afterwards -- I wanted to check to find out

Razgovarao sam kasnija sa Paulom.

Htio sam saznati kako je to on izračunao,

how he'd calculated this, and get the sources and so forth --

dobiti izvore i tako dalje.

and he also gave me a paper that he had written on this.

Dao mi je papir na kojem je to zapisao.

And there was a passage in it which he did not present here

U njemu je bio odlomak koji ovdje nije iznosio

i mislim da je toliko dabar da ću vam ga pročitati

and I think it is so good, I'm going to read it to you:

"Over billions of years on a unique sphere,

"Tijekom milijuna godina na jedinstvenoj kugli,

chance has painted a thin covering of life:

prilike su nanjele tanak sloj života:

complex, improbable, wonderful and fragile.

složen, nevjerojatan, predivan i krhak.

Suddenly, we humans -- a recently arrived species

Iznenada, mi ljudi, novopridošla vrsta

no longer subject to the checks and balances inherent in nature --

koja više ne podliježe prirodnim zakonitostima,

have grown in population, technology and intelligence

izrasla je u brojnosti, tehnologiji i inteligenciji do strašne razine moći.

to a position of terrible power.

We now wield the paintbrush."

Sada mi držimo kist."

We heard about the atmosphere as a thin layer of varnish.

Čuli smo o atmosferi kao tankom prozirnom sloju.

Life itself is just a thin coat of paint on this planet.

Sam život je tanak sloj boje na ovom planetu.

And we're the ones that hold the paintbrush.

A mi smo oni koji drže kist.

Kako nam to uspjeva?

And how can we do that?

The key to our domination of the planet is culture.

Ključ za svjetskom dominacijom leži u kulturi,

And the key to culture is religion.

a ključ kulture je religija.

Suppose Martian scientists came to Earth.

Pretpostavimo da Marsovski znanstvenici dođu na zemlju.

They would be puzzled by many things.

Čudili bi se mnogim stvarima.

Anybody know what this is? I'll tell you what it is.

Zna li netko što je ovo?

Reći ću vam.

This is a million people gathering on the banks of the Ganges in 2001,

To je milijun ljudi okupljenih na obalama Gangesa 2001,

perhaps the largest single gathering of human beings ever,

možda najveće okupljanje ljudi ikad,

as seen from satellite photograph.

kao što vidimo na satelitskoj snimci.

Here's a big crowd.

Velika je gužva.

Here's another crowd in Mecca.

Evo još jedne gužve u Meki.

Marsovci bi bili zapanjeni.

Martians would be amazed by this.

They'd want to know how it originated,

Ne bi znali kako je to organizirano, što je svrha i kako se ponavlja.

what it was for and how it perpetuates itself.

Zapravo ću ovo preskočiti.

Actually, I'm going to pass over this.

Mrav nije sam.

The ant isn't alone.

There's all sorts of wonderful cases of species which -- in that case --

Ima mnogo slučajeva među vrstama.

U ovom slučaju parazit ulazi u miša

A parasite gets into a mouse and needs to get into the belly of a cat.

i treba dospjeti u probavni sustav mačke.

And it turns the mouse into Mighty Mouse, makes it fearless,

Pretvara miša u Super Miša -- stvara ga neustrašivim,

pa tako trči na otvorenom, gdje će ga pojesti mačka.

so it runs out in the open, where it'll be eaten by a cat.

Istinita priča.

True story.

In other words, we have these hijackers --

Drugim riječima, mi imamo ove putnike --

you've seen this slide before, from four years ago --

vidjeli ste već ovu sliku prije četiri godine --

a parasite that infects the brain and induces even suicidal behavior,

parazit koji inficira mozak

i inducira samoubilačko ponašanje

on behalf of a cause other than one's own genetic fitness.

koje nije u interesu vaših gena.

Da li se to ikada događa nama?

Does that ever happen to us?

Yes, it does -- quite wonderfully.

Da, događa se -- i to prilično fascinantno.

The Arabic word "Islam" means "submission."

Arapska riječ "islam" znači pokornost.

It means "surrender of self-interest to the will of Allah."

Znači predaju vlastitog interesa volji Allaha.

But I'm not just talking about Islam.

Međutim, ne govorim samo o islamu.

I'm talking also about Christianity.

Govorim i o kršćanstvu.

This is a parchment music page that I found in a Paris bookstall

Ovo je pergament koju sam pronašao u Parizu prije 50 godina.

50 years ago.

And on it, it says, in Latin:

I na njoj piše, na latinskom:

"Semen est verbum Dei. Sator autem Christus."

(Latinski)

The word of God is the seed and the sower of the seed is Christ.

"Riječ Božja je sjeme, a žanje ga Krist."

Same idea. Well, not quite.

Ista ideja! Zapravo i ne baš.

But in fact, Christians, too ...

Ali u biti, to je Kršćanski hvalospjev činjenici da su se predali Bogu.

glory in the fact that they have surrendered to God.

I'll give you a few quotes.

Navesti ću nekoliko navoda.

"The heart of worship is surrender.

Srce bogoslužja je predaja.

Surrendered people obey God's words, even if it doesn't make sense."

Predani ljudi slušaju Božje riječi i kada one nemaju smisla."

Those words are by Rick Warren.

To su riječi Ricka Warrena.

Those are from "The Purpose Driven Life."

One su iz knjige "Život vođen smislom".

And I want to turn now, briefly, to talk about that book, which I've read.

Sada bi rekao par riječi o toj knjizi, koju sam pročitao.

You've all got a copy,

Svi imate primjerak.

and you've just heard the man.

Upravo ste čuli čovjeka.

And what I want to do now is say a bit about this book

Želim vam reći ponešto o ovoj knjizi sa stajališta dizajna,

from the design standpoint,

because I think it's actually a brilliant book.

jer mislim da je ovo stvarno dobra knjiga.

Prije svega, cilj.

First of all, the goal -- and you heard just now what the goal is --

A upravo ste čuli što je cilj.

it's to bring purpose to the lives of millions, and he has succeeded.

Cilj je bio naći svrhu života za milijune ljudi, i uspio je.

Is it a good goal? In itself, I'm sure we all agree, it is a wonderful goal.

Da li je to dobar cilj?

Sam po sebi, siguran sam da se slažemo, to je dobar cilj.

He's absolutely right.

On je apsolutno u pravu.

There are lots of people out there who don't have purpose in their life,

Ima mnogo ljudi koji nemaju cilj u životu,

and bringing purpose to their life is a wonderful goal.

a donošenje cilja njihovim životima je odličan cilj.

I give him an A+ on this.

Dajem mu +5 za to.

(Laughter)

Is the goal achieved?

Je li cilj postignut?

Yes.

Da.

30 milijuna prodanih primjeraka.

Thirty million copies of this book.

Al Gore, eat your heart out.

Ale Gore, svisni od muke.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Just exactly what Al is trying to do, Rick is doing.

Upravo ono što je htio Al, napravio je Rick.

This is a fantastic achievement.

Do je zapanjujuće postignuće.

A način -- kako je to postigao?

And the means -- how does he do it?

It's a brilliant redesign of traditional religious themes --

To je predivni redizajn tradicionalne religije --

updating them, quietly dropping obsolete features,

ažurirajući ih, potiho sklanjajući zastarjele načine,

putting new interpretations on other features.

pronalazeći nove interpretacije njihovih potvrda.

This is the evolution of religion that's been going on for thousands of years,

To je religijska revolucija na koju smo čekali tisućama godina,

a on je zadnji praktičar toga.

and he's just the latest brilliant practitioner of it.

I don't have to tell you this; you just heard the man.

Nisam vam to trebao reći.

Upravo ste čuli čovjeka.

Excellent insights into human psychology, wise advice on every page.

Izvrstan uvid u ljudsku psihologiju, mudar savjet na svakoj stranici.

Štoviše, pozvao nas je da pogledamo ispod haube.

Moreover, he invites us to look under the hood.

I really appreciated that.

To stvarno cijenim.

For instance, he has an appendix where he explains

Kao primjer, postoji dodatak u kojem objašnjava

his choice of translations of different Bible verses.

svoj izbor između različitih prijevoda Biblije.

The book is clear, vivid, accessible, beautifully formatted.

Knjiga je jasna, pristupačna, prelijepo dizajnirana.

Just enough repetition.

Sasvim dovoljno ponavljanja.

That's really important.

To je vrlo važno.

Every time you read it or say it, you make another copy in your brain.

Svaki put kada je pročitate ili izgovorite, stvarate novu kopiju u mozgu.

Every time you read it or say it, you make another copy in your brain.

Svaki put kada je pročitate ili izgovorite, stvarate novu kopiju u mozgu.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

With me, everybody --

Ponovite sa mnom: Svaki put kada je pročitate ili izgovorite,

(Audience and Dan Dennett) Every time you read it or say it,

you make another copy in your brain.

stvarate novu kopiju u mozgu.

Hvala.

Thank you.

And now we come to my problem.

A sad dolazimo do mog problema

Because I'm absolutely sincere in my appreciation

Jer sam potpuno iskren u svom poštivanju

of all that I said about this book.

prema svemu što sam rekao o ovoj knjizi.

But I wish it were better.

Ali bih volio da je bilo bolje.

I have some problems with the book.

Imam nekih problema s knjigom.

And it would just be insincere of me not to address those problems.

I bilo bi neodgovorno od mene da to ne istaknem.

I wish he could do this with a revision,

Volio bih da je ovo napravio s revizijom,

a Mark 2 version of his book.

drugom izdanju knjige.

"The truth will set you free."

"Istina će vas osloboditi." --

That's what it says in the Bible,

to je ono što kaže Biblija, i to je nešto u što želim vjerovati.

and it's something that I want to live by, too.

My problem is, some of the bits in it I don't think are true.

Moj je problem za neke pojmove nisam siguran da su istiniti.

Now some of this is a difference of opinion.

Nešto od toga je razlika u mišljenju,

And that's not my main complaint, that's worth mentioning.

i to nije moj glavni prigovor.

To vrijedi spomenuti.

Here's a passage -- it's very much what he said, anyway:

Ovo je odlomak -- govori mnogo o tome što je htio reći.

"If there was no God we would all be accidents,

"Kada ne bi bilo Boga svi bismo bili slučajnost,

the result of astronomical random chance in the Universe.

rezultat astronomske slučajnosti u Svemiru.

You could stop reading this book because life would have no purpose

Trebali biste prestati čitati ovi knjigu jer život

nebi imao svrhe, smisla niti značenja.

or meaning or significance.

There would be no right or wrong

Ne bi bilo pravilnog ili krivog i ne bi bilo nade u životu provedenom na Zemlji."

and no hope beyond your brief years on Earth."

Now, I just do not believe that.

Ja jednostavno u to ne vjerujem.

By the way, I find -- Homer Groening's film presented a beautiful alternative

Naime, film Homera Groeninga

predstavlja bolju alternativu toj tvrdnji.

to that very claim.

Yes, there is meaning and a reason for right or wrong.

Da, postoji razlog za pravo i krivo.

We don't need a belief in God to be good or to have meaning in us.

Ne trebamo vjerovati u boga da bi bili bolji ili imali svrhu.

But that, as I said, is just a difference of opinion.

Ali to je samo razlika u mišljenju.

That's not what I'm really worried about.

To nije ono o čemu trenutno brinem

How about this: "God designed this planet's environment

Što mislite o ovome: "Bog je stvorio ovaj planet samo kako bi mi živjeli na njemu."

just so we could live in it."

I'm afraid that a lot of people take that sentiment to mean

Bojim se da mnogi dobivaju taj osjećaj

that we don't have to do the sorts of things

da ne trebamo raditi ono što nam Al Gore

that Al Gore is trying so hard to get us to do.

toliko uporno želi nametnuti.

I am not happy with that sentiment at all.

Uopće nisam sretan zbog tog osjećaja.

And then I find this: "All the evidence available in the biological sciences

A onda sam pronašao ovo: "Svi dokazi koji su dostupni biolozima

supports the core proposition that the cosmos is a specially designed whole

podržavaju osnovnu tvrdnju da je svemir posebno dizajniran kao cjelina

with life and mankind as its fundamental goal and purpose,

sa životom i ljudskom vrstom koja mu je krajnji cilj i svrha,

a whole in which all facets of reality have their meaning

cjelina u kojoj sva naličja stvarnosti imaju svoj smisao

i objašnjenje u toj središnjoj činjenici."

and explanation in this central fact."

Pa, to je Michael Denton. On je kreacionist.

Well, that's Michael Denton. He's a creationist.

I tu pomišljam, "Čekaj malo."

And here, I think, "Wait a minute." I read this again.

Ponovno čitam.

I read it three or four times and I think,

Pročitao sam to tri ili četiri puti i pomislio,

"Is he really endorsing Intelligent Design?

"Da li on to stvarno promiče inteligentni dizajn?

Is he endorsing creationism here?"

Je li ovdje podržao kreacionizam?"

And you can't tell.

I ne možete biti sigurni.

So I'm sort of thinking, "Well, I don't know,

Pa pomislim nešto poput, "Pa, ne znam,

I don't know if I want to get upset with this yet."

nisam siguran da se ovime trenutno želim zamarati."

But then I read on, and I read this: "First, Noah had never seen rain,

Zatim sam čitao dalje i pročitao -- "Prvo, Noa nije nikad vidio kišu,

because prior to the Flood, God irrigated the earth from the ground up."

jer je Bog prije potopa navodnjavao zemlju iz zemlje."

I wish that sentence weren't in there, because I think it is false.

Volio bi da te rečenice nema tamo jer mislim da je neistinita.

And I think that thinking this way about the history of the planet,

I mislim kako je razmišljanje o povijesti na ovaj način,

after we've just been hearing about the history of the planet

netom što smo čuli o prošlosti

planeta tijekom milijuna godina,

over millions of years,

discourages people from scientific understanding.

udaljuje ljude od znanstvenog razumijevanja.

Now, Rick Warren uses scientific terms

Rick Warren koristi znanstvene termine, činjenice

and scientific factoids and information in a very interesting way.

i informacije na jedan vrlo zanimljiv način.

Here's one: "God deliberately shaped and formed you to serve him

Evo jednog -- "Bog te namjerno oblikuje da mu služiš,

in a way that makes your ministry unique.

na način da to služenje bude jedinstveno.

He carefully mixed the DNA cocktail that created you."

Pomno je zamiješao DNK koktel koji te stvorio."

I think that's false.

Mislim da je to neistina.

Now, maybe we want to treat it as metaphorical.

Ali možda to želimo smatrati metaforom.

Here's another one: "For instance, your brain can store 100 trillion facts.

Evo još jednog: "Na primjer, tvoj mozak može spremiti 100 bilijuna činjenica.

Your mind can handle 15,000 decisions a second."

Tvoj um može baratati sa 15 000 odluka u sekundi."

Well, it would be interesting to find the interpretation

Pa, bilo bi lijepo pronaći način na koji bi mogao prihvatiti tu tvrdnju.

where I would accept that.

Možda postoji neki način da se to smatra istinom.

There might be some way of treating that as true.

"Antropolozi su primijetili da je obožavanje univerzalni nagon,

"Anthropologists have noted that worship is a universal urge,

hardwired by God into the very fiber of our being --

ugrađen od strane Boga u samu srž našeg bića,

an inbuilt need to connect with God."

urođena potreba za povezivanja s Bogom."

Well, the sense of which I agree with him,

Pa, tu je smisao oko kojeg se slažem s njim,

except I think it has an evolutionary explanation.

osim što mislim da se objašnjenje nalazi u evoluciji.

And what I find deeply troubling in this book

A ono što smatram jako problematičnim u ovoj knjizi

is that he seems to be arguing that if you want to be moral,

je to što se u njoj raspravlja da ako želiš bit moralan,

if you want to have meaning in your life,

ako želiš imati smisao u životu,

you have to be an Intelligent Designer,

moraš biti pristaša Inteligentnog dizajna - moraš poricati

you have to deny the theory of evolution by natural selection.

teoriju evolucije prirodnim odabirom.

And I think, on the contrary,

Ja naprotiv mislim da je vrlo važno za rješavanje

that it is very important to solving the world's problems

svjetskih problema da ozbiljno shvatimo evolucijsku biologiju.

that we take evolutionary biology seriously.

Whose truth are we going to listen to?

Čiju čemo istinu prihvatiti?

Well, this is from "The Purpose Driven Life":

Ovu iz "Života vođenog smislom":

"The Bible must become the authoritative standard for my life:

"Biblija treba postati najviši prioritet mog života,

the compass I rely on for direction,

kompas od kojeg tražim smjer, savjetnika kojeg slušam kako bi

the counsel I listen to for making wise decisions,

donosio mudre odluke i s kojim bi sve drugo uspoređivao."

and the benchmark I use for evaluating everything."

Pa možda, u redu, ali što iz ovog slijedi?

Well maybe, OK, but what's going to follow from this?

And here's one that does concern me.

A ovdje je jedan koji me brine.

Remember I quoted him before with this line:

Zapamtite da sam ovo već citirao --

"Surrendered people obey God's word, even if it doesn't make sense."

"Predani ljudi štuju Božju riječ, iako ona nema smisla."

And that's a problem.

U tome je problem.

(Sighs)

"Don't ever argue with the Devil.

"Nemoj nikad raspravljati s vragom.

He's better at arguing than you are,

Bolji je u tome od tebe, jer je imao tisuće godina vježbe."

having had thousands of years to practice."

Now, Rick Warren didn't invent this clever move.

Ali Rick Warren nije izmislio taj mudri potez.

It's an old move.

To je stara stvar.

It's a very clever adaptation of religions.

To je vrlo pametna religijska adaptacija.

It's a wild card for disarming any reasonable criticism.

To je džoker za razoružavanje svake realne kritike.

"You don't like my interpretation?

"Ne sviđa vam se moja interpretacija?

You've got a reasonable objection to it?

Imate razuman prigovor?

Don't listen, don't listen!

Ne slušajte ga, ne slušajte.

That's the Devil speaking."

To govori Vrag."

This discourages the sort of reasoning citizenship

Takav stav nas udaljuje od razumnosti

it seems to me that we want to have.

koju, čini mi se, želimo.

I've got one more problem, then I'm through.

Za kraj, imam još jedan problem.

And I'd really like to get a response if Rick is able to do it.

I stvarno bih želio odgovor ako je Rick to u stanju.

"In the Great Commission, Jesus said,

"U velikoj poruci Isus je rekao, Odite svim ljudima svih nacija

'Go to all people of all nations and make them my disciples.

i učinite ih mojim učenicima, krstite ih u ime Oca,

Baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Sina i Duha Svetoga, podučite ih svemu što sam vam rekao."

and teach them to do everything I've told you.'"

Biblija kaže kako je Isus jedini spasitelj svijeta.

The Bible says Jesus is the only one who can save the world.

We've seen many wonderful maps of the world in the last day or so.

Ovdje smo vidjeli mnogo predivnih krajeva svijeta

u posljednjih par dana.

Here's one, not as beautiful as the others;

Ovdje je jedan, ne tako lijep kao drugi.

it simply shows the religions of the world.

Jednostavno prikazuje svjetske religije.

A ovdje je jedan koji prikazuje trenutačnu razdiobu različitih religija.

Here's one that shows the sort of current breakdown of the different religions.

Želimo li stvarno učiniti ujediniti

Do we really want to commit ourselves

to engulfing all the other religions,

sve ostale religije kada im njihove svete knjige govore

when their holy books are telling them,

"Don't listen to the other side, that's just Satan talking!"?

"Ne slušaj drugu stranu, to Vrag govori!"

It seems to me that that's a very problematic ship

Čini mi se da je to veoma nepouzdan brod

to get on for the future.

na putu za budućnost.

I found this sign as I was driving to Maine recently,

Pronašao sam ovaj zapis nedavno, kada sam vozio u Maine,

in front of a church: "Good without God becomes zero."

ispred crkve: "Dobrota bez Boga je ništa."

Sort of cute.

Simpatična igra riječi [na engleskom].

A very clever little meme.

Pametan mali "mem".

I don't believe it and I think this idea, popular as it is --

Ne mislim da je to istina i mislim da je ta ideja, iako popularna

not in this guise, but in general --

glavni problem s kojim smo suočeni.

is itself one of the main problems that we face.

If you are like me, you know many wonderful, committed, engaged

Ako ste poput mene, poznajete mnogo divnih, predanih, angažiranih

atheists, agnostics, who are being very good without God.

ateista i agnostika, koji su vrlo dobri i bez boga.

And you also know many religious people who hide behind their sanctity

I isto tako možda znate mnoge ljude koji se skrivaju iza svoje svetosti

instead of doing good works.

umjesto da rade dobra djela.

So, I wish we could drop this meme.

Zato bih volio da odbacimo ovaj mem.

I wish this meme would go extinct.

Želim da taj mem izumre.

Thanks very much for your attention.

Puno vam hvala na pozornosti.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)