Thomas Heatherwick: Building the Seed Cathedral

Translator: Samra Cebiric Reviewer: Mateja Nenadovic

Hello, my name is Thomas Heatherwick.

Zdravo, moje ime je Thomas Heatherwick.

I have a studio in London

Moj atelje u Londonu

that has a particular approach

ima poseban pristup

to designing buildings.

dizajniranju zgrada.

When I was growing up,

Dok sam odrastao,

I was exposed to making

bio sam izložen stvaranju,

and crafts and materials

objektima i materijalima

and invention on a small scale.

i izumima malih proporcija.

And I was there looking

A gledao sam

at the larger scale of buildings

u zgrade većih proporcija

and finding

i zaključio sam

that the buildings that were around me

da zgrade koje me okružuju

and that were being designed

i koje se dizajniraju

and that were there in the publications I was seeing

i koje su u izdanjima koje sam gledao

felt soulless and cold.

nisu imale dušu i izgledale su hladno.

And there on the smaller scale,

A na manjoj razini,

the scale of an earring

veličine naušnice

or a ceramic pot

ili keramičke zdjele

or a musical instrument,

ili muzičkog instrumenta,

was a materiality and a soulfulness.

nalazila se materijalnost i duša.

And this influenced me.

To je utjecalo na mene.

The first building I built was 20 years ago.

Prvu zdradu sam sagradio prije 20 godina.

And since, in the last 20 years,

U tih 20 godina

I've developed a studio in London.

sam osnovao atelje u Londonu.

Sorry, this was my mother, by the way,

Izvinite, ovo je moja majka,

in her bead shop in London.

u svojoj prodavnici perli u Londonu.

I spent a lot of time counting beads and things like that.

Proveo sam mnogo vremena brojeći perle i slično.

I'm just going to show, for people who don't know my studio's work,

Za ljude koji nikada nisu vidjeli moje radove,

a few projects that we've worked on.

pokazaću nekoliko projekata na kojima smo radili.

This is a hospital building.

Ovo je bolnica.

This is a shop for a bag company.

Ovo je prodavnica torbi.

This is studios for artists.

Ovo je umjetnički atelje.

This is a sculpture

Ovo je skulptura

made from a million yards of wire

napravljena od žice duge 915 000 metara

and 150,000 glass beads

i 150 000 staklenih perli

the size of a golf ball.

veličine golf loptice.

And this is a window display.

Ovo je izlog.

And this is pair of cooling towers

Ovo su dva tornja za hlađenje

for an electricity substation

električne trafostanice

next to St. Paul's Cathedral in London.

pored katedrale Sv. Pavla u Londonu.

And this is a temple in Japan

Ovo je hram u Japanu

for a Buddhist monk.

za budističkog redovnika.

And this is a cafe by the sea

Ovo je kafić pored mora

in Britain.

u Velikoj Britaniji.

And just very quickly,

I ubrzo,

something we've been working on very recently

nešto na čemu smo nedavno radili

is we were commissioned by the mayor of London

gradonačelnik Londona nas je ovlastio da

to design a new bus

dizajniramo novi autobus

that gave the passenger

koji je putnicima

their freedom again.

ponovo vratio slobodu.

Because the original Routemaster bus

Originalni Routemaster autobusi

that some of you may be familiar with,

koji su nekima od vas poznati,

which had this open platform at the back --

koji su imali otvorenu platformu u zadnjem dijelu --

in fact, I think all our Routemasters

zapravo, mislim da su svi naši Routemasters autobusi

are here in California now actually.

ovdje u Kaliforniji.

But they aren't in London.

A nisu u Londonu.

And so you're stuck on a bus.

Tako da ste zaglavljeni na autobusu.

And if the bus is going to stop

Ako se autobus zaustavi

and it's three yards away from the bus stop,

tri metra od stanice,

you're just a prisoner.

onda ste naprosto zatvorenik.

But the mayor of London wanted to reintroduce

Ali gradonačelnik Londona je želio ponovo uvesti

buses with this open platform.

autobuse sa otvorenom platformom.

So we've been working with Transport for London,

Stoga smo sarađivali sa "Transport for London",

and that organization

organizacijom koja

hasn't actually been responsible

zapravo nije bila odgovorna

as a client for a new bus

kao klijent za novi autobus

for 50 years.

50 godina.

And so we've been very lucky to have a chance to work.

Tako smo bili veoma sretni što imamo priliku da radimo.

The brief is that the bus should use 40 percent less energy.

Ukratko, autobus bi trebao koristiti 40% manje energije.

So it's got hybrid drive.

Zato ima hibridni pogon.

And we've been working

Radili smo na tome

to try to improve

da poboljšamo

everything from the fabric

sve od građe

to the format

do formata

and structure

i strukture

and aesthetics.

i estetike.

I was going to show four main projects.

Namjeravao sam pokazati četiri glavna projekta.

And this is a project for a bridge.

Ovo je projekt mosta.

And so we were commissioned to design a bridge that would open.

Dobili smo zadatak da dizajniramo most koji bi se otvara.

And openings seemed --

Otvaranja se čine --

everyone loves opening bridges,

svako voli mostove koji se otvaraju,

but it's quite a basic thing.

ali to je prilično jednostavna stvar.

I think we all kind of stand and watch.

Mislim da svi stojimo i posmatramo.

But the bridges that we saw

Ali mostove koje smo mi vidjeli

that opened and closed --

koji se otvaraju i zatvaraju --

I'm slightly squeamish --

malo sam šokiran --

but I once saw a photograph of a footballer

Jednom sam vidio fotografiju fudbalera

who was diving for a ball.

koji se spustio da dohvati loptu.

And as he was diving, someone had stamped on his knee,

I kako se spuštao, neko ga je lupio po koljenu,

and it had broken like this.

i ovako se slomilo.

And then we looked at these kinds of bridges

Onda smo pogledali ovakve mostove

and just couldn't help feeling

i osjećali smo

that it was a beautiful thing that had broken.

da je prelijepa stvar slomljena.

And so this is in Paddington in London.

Ovo je u Paddingtonu u Londonu.

And it's a very boring bridge, as you can see.

Ovo je veoma dosadan most, kao što možete vidjeti.

It's just steel and timber.

Samo čelik i drvo.

But instead of what it is,

Ali umjesto na materijal,

our focus was on the way it worked.

fokusirali smo se na način na koji funkcionira.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

So we liked the idea that the two farthest bits of it

Svidjela nam se ideja da se njegova dva najudaljenija kraja

would end up kissing each other.

na kraju sljubljuju.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

We actually had to halve its speed,

Ustvari morali smo prepoloviti brzinu,

because everyone was too scared when we first did it.

jer svi su bili preplašeni kada smo prvi put podigli most.

So that's it speeded up.

Ovo je ubrzani snimak.

A project that we've been working on very recently

Posljednji projekat na kome smo radili

is to design a new biomass power station --

je dizajniranje nove električne centrale na biomasu --

so a power station that uses organic waste material.

centrala koja koristi organski otpad kao materijal.

In the news,

U vijestima,

the subject of where our future water is going to come from

tema odakle ćemo u budućnosti dobivati vodu

and where our power is going to come from

i odakle ćemo dobivati energiju

is in all the papers all the time.

je konstantno u svim novinama.

And we used to be quite proud of the way we generated power.

Bili smo veoma ponosni na način na koji proizvodimo energiju.

But recently,

Ali nedavno,

any annual report of a power company

bilo koji godišnji izvještaj jedne energetske kompanije

doesn't have a power station on it.

ne spominje električnu centralu.

It has a child running through a field, or something like that.

Već dijete kako trči kroz polje, i slično.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And so when a consortium of engineers approached us

Kada nam je konzorcij iženjera prišao

and asked us to work with them on this power station,

u pitao nas da sarađujemo na jednoj električnoj centrali,

our condition was that we would work with them

naš uslov je bio da ćemo raditi s njima

and that, whatever we did,

i da, šta god da budemo radili,

we were not just going to decorate a normal power station.

nećemo graditi običnu centralu.

And instead, we had to learn -- we kind of forced them to teach us.

U zamjenu, morali smo učiti -- na neki način smo ih natjerali da nas poduče.

And so we spent time traveling with them

Proveli smo vrijeme putujući s njima

and learning about all the different elements,

i učeći o raznim elementima,

and finding that there were plenty of inefficiencies

i otkrili smo da ima mnogo nedjelotvornosti

that weren't being capitalized on.

koje nisu bile iskorištene.

That just taking a field and banging all these things out

Izbušiti neko polje

isn't necessarily the most efficient way that they could work.

nije najefikasniji način.

So we looked at how we could compose all those elements --

Tražili smo način na koji možemo ukomponirati sve ove elemente --

instead of just litter, create one composition.

i umjesto razbacivanja, da kreiramo jednu kompoziciju.

And what we found --

Šta smo otkrili --

this area is one of the poorest parts of Britain.

ovo područje je jedno od najsiromašnijih u Velikoj Britaniji.

It was voted the worst place in Britain to live.

Izglasano je kao najgore mjesto za život u Britaniji.

And there are 2,000 new homes being built

Pored ove elektrane

next to this power station.

grade 2000 novih kuća.

So it felt this has a social dimension.

Stoga ovo ima i društvenu dimenziju.

It has a symbolic importance.

Od simbolične je važnosti.

And we should be proud of where our power is coming from,

Trebali bismo se ponositi na mjesto odakle dobijamo energiju,

rather than something we are necessarily ashamed of.

a ne sramiti se.

So we were looking at how we could make a power station,

Tražimo način da sagradimo elektranu,

that, instead of keeping people out

koja, umjesto da odvlači ljude

and having a big fence around the outside,

i ima veliku ogradu izvana,

could be a place that pulls you in.

i koje će biti mjesto koje vas tjera sebi.

And it has to be --

Mora biti --

I'm trying to get my --

pokušavam da --

250 feet high.

60 metara visok.

So it felt that what we could try to do

Učinilo nam se da možemo

is make a power park

napraviti strujni park

and actually bring the whole area in,

u kojem će biti čitavo područje

and using the spare soil that's there on the site,

i koristeći suvišno zemljište na tom mjestu,

we could make a power station that was silent as well.

možemo izgraditi također tihu elektranu.

Because just that soil

Jer samo to zemljište

could make the acoustic difference.

može napraviti razliku u akustici.

And we also found that we could make a more efficient structure

Također smo otkrili da možemo napraviti efikasniju strukturu

and have a cost-effective way

i imati jeftiniji način

of making a structure to do this.

da se ovo napravi od strukture.

The finished project

Finalni projekat

is meant to be more than just a power station.

je osmišljen da bude više od električne centrale.

It has a space where you could have a bar mitzvah at the top.

Na vrhu ima prostor gdje možete imati proslavu.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And it's a power park.

I to je park.

So people can come and really experience this

Ljudi mogu dolaziti i iskusiti

and also look out all around the area,

i razgledati po čitavom području,

and use that height that we have to have for its function.

i iskoristiti njegovu potrebnu visinu.

In Shanghai,

U Šangaju,

we were invited to build --

bili smo pozvani da izgradimo --

well we weren't invited; what am I talking about.

zapravo nismo bili pozvani; o čemu ja to pričam.

We won the competition, and it was painful to get there.

Jedva smo pobijedili na takmičenju.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

So we won the competition to build the U.K. pavilion.

Pobijedili smo na takmičenju da gradimo paviljon u Velikoj Britaniji.

And an expo

Izbložba

is a totally bonkers thing.

je potpuno luda stvar.

There's 250 pavilions.

Ima 250 paviljona.

It's the world's biggest ever expo that had ever happened.

To je najveća izložba na svijetu koja se ikada održala.

So there are up to a million people there everyday.

Svaki dan dođe oko milion posjetilaca.

And 250 countries all competing.

A takmiči se 250 zemalja.

And the British government saying,

Britanska vlada je rekla,

"You need to be in the top five."

"Morate biti u pet najboljih."

And so that became

To je postao

the governmental goal --

državni cilj --

is, how do you stand out in this chaos,

kako se isticati u ovom kaosu

which is an expo of stimulus?

na izložbi?

So our sense was we had to do one thing,

Smatrali smo da moramo uraditi jednu stvar,

and only one thing,

i samo jednu,

instead of trying to have everything.

umjesto da pokušamo da postignemo sve.

And so what we also felt

Također smo smatrali

was that whatever we did we couldn't do a cheesy advert for Britain.

da nikako ne možemo napraviti jadnu reklamu Velike Britanije.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

But the thing that was true,

Istina je ta

the expo was about the future of cities,

da je izložba bila o budućnosti gradova,

and particularly the Victorians

a posebno viktorijanci su

pioneered integrating nature into the cities.

prvi integrirali prirodu u gradove.

And the world's first public park of modern times

Prvi javni park na svijetu u savremenom periodu

was in Britain.

je bio u V. Britaniji.

And the world's first major botanical institution

Prva velika institucija za botaniku

is in London,

je u Londonu.

and they have this extraordinary project

Oni imaju izvanredni projekat

where they've been collecting 25 percent

koji se sastoji od skupljanja 25%

of all the world's plant species.

svjetske biljne vrste.

So we suddenly realized that there was this thing.

Odjednom smo shvatili da postoji nešto.

And everyone agrees that trees are beautiful,

Svako se slaže da su drveća lijepa.

and I've never met anyone who says, "I don't like trees."

Nikada nisam sreo nekoga ko kaže, "Ne volim drveće."

And the same with flowers.

Isto je i sa cvijećem.

I've never met anyone who says, "I don't like flowers."

Nikada nisam sreo nekoga ko kaže, "Ne volim cvijeće."

But we realized that seeds --

Međutim shvatili smo --

there's been this very serious project happening --

trenutno postoji jedan veoma ozbiljan projekat --

but that seeds --

ali sjemenje --

at these major botanical gardens,

u svim velikim botaničkim baštama

seeds aren't on show.

sjemenje nije izloženo.

But you just have to go to a garden center,

Morate otići u centar bašte

and they're in little paper packets.

i sjemenje je u malim papirnatim paketićima.

But this phenomenal project's been happening.

Ali ovaj fenomenalni projekat se odvijao.

So we realized we had to make a project

Shvatili smo da moramo napraviti projekat

that would be seeds, some kind of seed cathedral.

koji uključuje sjemenje, neku vrstu katedrale.

But how could we show these teeny-weeny things?

Ali kako bismo prikazali ove malene predmete?

And the film "Jurassic Park" actually really helped us.

Film "Jurski park" nam je zapravo pomogao.

Because the DNA of the dinosaur that was trapped in the amber

DNK dinosaura koji je zadržan u ćilibaru

gave us some kind of clue

dao nam je neki znak

that these tiny things

da ovi maleni predmeti

could be trapped and be made to seem precious,

mogu biti zadržani i oblikovani tako da izgledaju prelijepo,

rather than looking like nuts.

a ne da izgledaju ludo.

So the challenge was,

Izazov je bio,

how are we going to bring light and expose these things?

kako da osvijetlimo i izložimo ove predmete?

We didn't want to make a separate building and have separate content.

Nismo htjeli da imamo odvojenu zgradu i odvojeni sadržaj.

So we were trying to think,

Razmišljali smo

how could we make a whole thing emanate.

kako da učinimo da sve zrači.

By the way, we had half the budget of the other Western nations.

Usput rečeno, pola budžeta smo dobili od ostalih zapadnih zemalja.

So that was also in the mix

I to je išlo u kombinaciju

with the site the size of a football pitch.

sa lokalitetom veličine fudbalskog terena.

And so there was one particular toy that gave us a clue.

Postojala je jedna igračka koja nam je dala ideju.

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Thomas Heatherwick: Okay, you get the idea.

Thomas Heatherwick: Uredu, mislim da znate o čemu se radi.

So the idea

Ideja je bila

was to take these 66,000 seeds

da uzmemo 66000 sjemenki

that they agreed to give us,

koje smo dobili,

and to take each seed and trap it

i svaku sjemenku zatvoriti

in this precious optical hair

u ovu prelijepu optičku vlas

and grow that through this box,

koja bi rasla iz ove kutije,

very simple box element,

vrlo jednostavnog elementa,

and make it a building

i izrasla u zgradu

that could move in the wind.

koja bi se pomijerala na vjetru.

So the whole thing can gently move when the wind blows.

Sve se lagano pomijera kada vjetar puše.

And inside, the daylight --

Tokom dana,

each one is an optic

svaki postane vidljiv

and it brings light into the center.

i osvjetljava unutrašnjost.

And by night,

A noću,

artificial light in each one

umjetno svjetlo u svakom

emanates and comes out to the outside.

zrači i osvjetljava spoljašnjost.

And to make the project affordable,

A da bi projekat bio dostupan

we focused our energy.

usmjerili smo energiju.

Instead of building a building as big as the football pitch,

Umjesto da sagradimo zgradu veličine fudbalskog terena

we focused it on this one element.

usmjerili smo je na ovaj jedan element.

And the government agreed to do that

Vlada se složila

and not do anything else,

da ne radimo ništa drugo

and focus our energy on that.

i da se fokusiramo na to.

And so the rest of the site was a public space.

Ostatak lokacije je bio javni prostor.

And with a million people there a day,

A kada ima milion posjetilaca svaki dan

it just felt like offering some public space.

činilo nam se da pružamo jedan javni prostor.

We worked with an AstroTurf manufacturer

Sarađivali smo sa "Astro Turf", proizvođačem sintetičke trave

to develop a mini-me version

na stvaranju umanjene verzije

of the seed cathedral,

katedrale sjemenki,

so that, even if you're partially-sighted,

pa čak i ako imate oštećen vid,

that it was kind of crunchy and soft,

da bude hrskavo i meko

that piece of landscape that you see there.

zemljište ispred vas.

And then, you know when a pet has an operation

Znate kada kućni ljubimac ima operaciju

and they shave a bit of the skin

pa mu obriju dio kože

and get rid of the fur --

i bace krzno --

in order to get you to go into the seed cathedral,

da biste ušli u katedralu

in effect, we've shaved it.

obrijali smo je.

And inside there's nothing;

A unutra nema ništa;

there's no famous actor's voice;

ne čuje se glas nekog poznatog glumca;

there's no projections;

nema projekcija,

there's no televisions; there's no color changing.

nema televizija; promjena boja;

There's just silence

samo mir

and a cool temperature.

hladovina.

And if a cloud goes past,

A ako prođe oblak,

you can see a cloud on the tips

možete vidjeti oblak na vrhovima

where it's letting the light through.

koji pružaju svjetlost unutra.

This is the only project that we've done

Ovo je jedini projekt koji smo uradili

where the finished thing

gdje je gotov prozivod

looked more like a rendering than our renderings.

izgledao bolje nego što smo planirali.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

A key thing was how people would interact.

Ključno je bilo kako će ljudi međusobno djelovati.

I mean, in a way it was the most serious thing

Mislim, na neki način to je najozbiljnija stvar

you could possible do at the expo.

koju možete uraditi na izložbi.

And I just wanted to show you.

Ja sam vam samo želio pokazati.

The British government --

Britanska vlada --

any government is potentially the worst client in the world

svaka vlada je možda najgori klijent na svijetu

you could ever possibly want to have.

kojeg možete imati.

And there was a lot of terror.

Bilo je dosta očaja.

But there was an underlying support.

Ali i podrške.

And so there was a moment

Postojao je trenutak

when suddenly -- actually, the next thing.

kada najednom -- zapravo, sljedeća stvar.

This is the head of U.K. Trade and Investment,

Ovo je direktor "U. K. Trade and Investment"-a,

who was our client,

koji je naš klijent,

with the Chinese children, using the landscape.

sa kineskom djecom, kako koriste krajolik.

(Video) Children: One, two, three, go.

(Video) Djeca. Jedan, dva, tri, kreni.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

TH: I'm sorry about my stupid voice there.

TH: Izvinjavam se zbog svog glupog glasa.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

So finally, texture is something.

Na koncu, tekstura je bitna.

In the projects we've been working on,

U projektima na kojima smo radili,

these slick buildings,

te ravne zgrade

where they might be a fancy shape,

elegantnog oblika

but the materiality feels the same,

ali istog materijala.

is something that we've been trying to research really,

je nešto o čemu smo istinski istraživali.

and explore alternatives.

i tražili alternative.

And the project that we're building in Malaysia

Projekat na kome radimo u Maleziji

is apartment buildings

je stambeno naselje

for a property developer.

za voditelja razvoja nekretnina.

And it's in a piece of land

To je komad zemlje

that's this site.

na ovom lokalitetu.

And the mayor of Kuala Lumpur

Gradonačelnik Kuala Lumpura

said that, if this developer

je rekao, ako ova firma

would give something that gave something back to the city,

ponudi nešto što će dati nešto gradu ,

they would give them more gross floor area, buildable.

da će dati više površine na kojoj se može graditi.

So there was an incentive for the developer

Stoga je postojala motivacija

to really try to think about

da se dobro razmisli

what would be better for the city.

šta je bolje za grad.

And the conventional thing with apartment buildings

Uobičajeno kod stambenog naselja

in this part of the world

u ovom dijelu svijeta

is you have your tower,

je da postoji toranj,

and you squeeze a few trees around the edge,

ugura se nekoliko drveća okolo,

and you see cars parked.

sa parkiranim automobilma.

It's actually only the first couple of floors that you really experience,

Zapravo samo prvih nekoliko spratova isprobati,

and the rest of it is just for postcards.

a ostatak možete samo posmatrati na razglednicama.

The lowest value is actually the bottom part of a tower like this.

Najmanja korist ovakvog tornja je u donjem dijelu.

So if we could chop that away

Ako bismo mogli skloniti taj dio,

and give the building a small bottom,

a zgradi dodati manji donji dio,

we could take that bit and put it at the top

mogli bismo taj dio dodati na vrh

where the greater commercial value is for a property developer.

koji ima veću komercijalnu vrijednost.

And by linking these together,

Spajajući ove dijelove,

we could have 90 percent of the site

90% terena

as a rainforest,

bi bio u drveću,

instead of only 10 percent of scrubby trees

umjesto samo 10% ogoljenog drveća

and bits of road around buildings.

i ceste oko zgrade.

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So we're building these buildings.

Mi gradimo ovakve zgrade.

They're actually identical, so it's quite cost-effective.

One su zapravo identične i jeftine.

They're just chopped at different heights.

Samo su skraćene na različitim visinama.

But the key part

Ali ključni dio

is trying to give back an extraordinary piece of landscape,

je vratiti izvanredni pejzaž

rather than engulf it.

umjesto ga preplaviti.

And that's my final slide.

Ovo je moj posljednji slajd.

Thank you.

Hvala vam.

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Thank you.

Hvala.

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June Cohen: So thank you. Thank you, Thomas. You're a delight.

June Cohen: Hvala ti. Hvala, Thomas. Oduševljena sam.

Since we have an extra minute here,

Pošto imamo još minutu vremena,

I thought perhaps you could tell us a little bit about these seeds,

možete li nam reći više o sjemenju,

which maybe came from the shaved bit of the building.

koje izlazi iz podšišanog dijela zgrade.

TH: These are a few of the tests we did

TH: Ovo su neki od testova koje smo radili

when we were building the structure.

kada smo gradili zgradu.

So there were 66,000 of these.

Bilo ih je 66000 ovakvih.

This optic

Ova nit

was 22 feet long.

je duga 7 metara.

And so the daylight was just coming --

Svjetlost se jednostavno pružala --

it was caught on the outside of the box

bila je unutar kutije

and was coming down to illuminate each seed.

i osvjetljavala je svako sjeme.

Waterproofing the building was a bit crazy.

Bilo je suludo hidroizolirati zgradu.

Because it's quite hard to waterproof buildings anyway,

Jer je to inače prilično teško,

but if you say you're going to drill 66,000 holes in it --

ali ako bušite 66000 rupa --

we had quite a time.

imali smo dovoljno vremena.

There was one person in the contractors who was the right size --

Među izvođačima radova bio je radnik dovoljno nizak --

and it wasn't a child --

a nije dijete --

who could fit between them

koji je mogao da stane između njih

for the final waterproofing of the building.

da bi hidroizolirao zgradu.

JC: Thank you, Thomas.

JC: Hvala, Thomas.

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