Ed Boyden: A light switch for neurons

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翻译人员: Bear Jin 校对人员: Xu Jiang
花点时间回想你的一天
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Think about your day for a second.
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You woke up, felt fresh air on your face as you walked out the door,
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你清晨醒来,走出房门的时候感受到清风拂过你的脸颊
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encountered new colleagues and had great discussions
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巧遇新的同事,与其谈天说地
当你发现新事物时则心怀敬畏
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and felt in awe when you found something new.
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但我确定今天会有些你没有想到的事情--
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But I bet there's something you didn't think about today,
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一些如此贴近生活的
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something so close to home,
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但你可能完全忽略的事情。
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you probably don't think about it very often at all.
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其中包含的所有的感知能力,感情
00:32
And that's that all those sensations, feelings, decisions and actions
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决策和行动
都直接受控于在你头部的电脑
00:35
are mediated by the computer in your head
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叫做大脑的部分。
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called your brain.
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Now, the brain may not look like much from the outside --
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大脑看可不像外表看起来那样--
只是几磅桃灰色的肉块,
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a couple pounds of pinkish-gray flesh,
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非结晶的固体--
00:43
amorphous.
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00:44
But the last 100 years of neuroscience have allowed us to zoom in on the brain
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但是经过上百年积淀的神经学
让我们能进一步的研究大脑,
00:48
and to see the intricacy of what lies within.
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并了解大脑的错综复杂。
00:50
And they've told us that this brain is an incredibly complicated circuit
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研究告诉我们大脑
是由上千亿个神经元细胞
00:54
made out of hundreds of billions of cells called neurons.
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组成的难以想象的复杂电路
00:58
Now, unlike a human-designed computer,
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不同于人类设计的电脑
01:01
where there's a fairly small number of different parts,
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那种由较少的不同元件组成的--
我们了解它们如何工作,因为是我们人类设计出了它们--
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and we know how they work because we humans designed them,
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01:06
the brain is made out of thousands of different kinds of cells,
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大脑由上千种不同的细胞组成
也许是上万种
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maybe tens of thousands.
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01:11
They come in different shapes; they're made out of different molecules;
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它们分化成不同的形状;它们分泌出不同分子;
它们延伸并连接大脑的不同地区。
01:14
they project and connect to different brain regions.
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它们对于不同的疾病也表现出不同的方式。
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They also change in different ways in different disease states.
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说的具体一点
01:20
Let's make it concrete.
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01:21
There's a class of cells,
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有一种细胞,
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a fairly small cell, an inhibitory cell, that quiets its neighbors.
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一种较小的,抑制性细胞,能够抑制周围细胞。
这是一种其萎缩能导致类似神经分裂症状的细胞
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It's one of the cells that seems to be atrophied
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in disorders like schizophrenia.
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It's called the basket cell.
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这叫做篮细胞
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And this cell is one of the thousands of kinds of cell
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它是我们正在研究的成千上万种细胞
中的一种
01:35
that we're learning about.
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01:36
New ones are being discovered every day.
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每天都会有发现新型的细胞。
第二个例子:
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As just a second example:
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these pyramidal cells, large cells, can span a significant fraction
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这些锥体细胞,大型的细胞
他们分布在大脑的很多部位
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of the brain.
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它们易受刺激。
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They're excitatory.
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其中的一部分细胞
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And these are some of the cells that might be overactive
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可能会因过度的活动而导致疾病类似癫症。
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in disorders such as epilepsy.
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这些细胞中每一个
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Every one of these cells is an incredible electrical device.
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都是一个神奇的电子元件
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They receive inputs from thousands of upstream partners
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它们从上游细胞接收信息
然后编辑出它们自己的输出信息,
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and compute their own electrical outputs,
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02:01
which then, if they pass a certain threshold,
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然后,如果这些信息通过了特定的界限,
就会传递到下游上千个细胞那里。
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will go to thousands of downstream partners.
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这个仅仅会花费一毫秒左右的时间的过程
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And this process, which takes just a millisecond or so,
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happens thousands of times a minute in every one of your 100 billion cells,
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在你身上的每个1万亿个细胞中
每分钟发生上千次,
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as long as you live and think and feel.
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只要你活着
思考着感受着。
02:17
So how are we going to figure out what this circuit does?
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我们将如何解释这些回路的运作呢?
主观上,我们能刺激这些回路
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Ideally, we could go through this circuit
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把不同种细胞反复刺激
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and turn these different kinds of cell on and off
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02:25
and see whether we could figure out
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看我们是否能了解
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which ones contribute to certain functions
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哪种细胞作用于特定的功用
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and which ones go wrong in certain pathologies.
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哪种细胞出错会引起特定的病理
如果我们能激活细胞,我们就能了解它们能释放哪种能量
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If we could activate cells, we could see what powers they can unleash,
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他们是如何启动和维持的.
02:35
what they can initiate and sustain.
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如果我们能把它们全部切断
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If we could turn them off,
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then we could try and figure out what they're necessary for.
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我们就可能弄清楚它们的必要性。
这就是今天我要告诉大家的故事。
02:41
And that's the story I'm going to tell you about today.
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老实说,
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And honestly, where we've gone through over the last 11 years,
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我们试图寻找方法
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through an attempt to find ways
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of turning circuits and cells and parts and pathways of the brain
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来控制大脑中的回路,细胞,部分的组织还有
它的传输途径
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on and off,
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这不仅是对科学的探索,
02:53
both to understand the science
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02:54
and also to confront some of the issues that face us all as humans.
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也是直面人类所面临的
一些问题。
03:00
Now, before I tell you about the technology,
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在我告诉大家这项技术之前
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the bad news is that a significant fraction of us in this room,
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坏消息是我们之间的绝大数人
如果你们活的够久远的话
03:07
if we live long enough,
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03:08
will encounter, perhaps, a brain disorder.
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将会面临,也许,脑部疾病
如今,10亿人
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Already, a billion people have had some kind of brain disorder
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已经患有某些脑部疾病
阻碍它们生活
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that incapacitates them.
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The numbers don't do it justice, though.
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虽然这数字无法准确的表现出其严重性
03:18
These disorders -- schizophrenia, Alzheimer's,
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这些疾病--精神分裂症,老年痴呆症
抑郁症,成瘾症--
03:21
depression, addiction --
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03:22
they not only steal away our time to live,
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它们不仅榨取我们的生命,而且篡改我们生存的意义
03:24
they change who we are.
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03:25
They take our identity and change our emotions
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它剥夺了我们的性格也改变了我们的情感--
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and change who we are as people.
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更改变了我们做人的本质
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Now, in the 20th century,
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如今在20世纪,
通过治疗脑部疾病的
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there was some hope that was generated
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through the development of pharmaceuticals for treating brain disorders.
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制药业的发展浮现出的一些希望
同时很多药物被研发出
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And while many drugs have been developed
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that can alleviate symptoms of brain disorders,
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能减缓脑部疾病的症状
实际上没有那种病被认为是能被治愈的
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practically none of them can be considered to be cured.
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In part, that's because, if you think about it,
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其中一部分是因为,我们大脑浸泡在化学物质当中
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we're bathing the brain in a chemical --
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这复杂的回路
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this elaborate circuit, made of thousands of different kinds of cell --
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由上千种不同类型的细胞组成
正浸泡在液体当中
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is being bathed in a substance.
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That's also why most of the drugs, not all, on the market
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这也是为什么,市面上大部分的药物,不全都
会引起某些严重的副作用。
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can present some kind of serious side effect too.
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如今有些人通过在大脑植入电击器
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Now some people have gotten some solace from electrical stimulators
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来改善某些疾病。
04:05
that are implanted in the brain,
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for Parkinson's disease or cochlear implants.
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对于帕金森症
耳蜗移植电击器
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These have indeed been able to bring some kind of remedy
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的确能够
带给患有一些特殊疾病的患者
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to people with certain kinds of disorders.
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一些治疗效果
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But electricity also will go in all directions --
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但是电流还是会往四散开去--
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the path of least resistance --
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找软柿子捏(从阻碍最小的地方通过)
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which is where that phrase, in part, comes from,
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这也是这句谚语的,部分的,出处
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and will also affect normal circuits,
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电流不仅作用在我们需要修复的细胞还会影响到那些正常的回路
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as well as the abnormal ones you want to fix.
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再一次,我们绕回到了
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So again, we're sent back to the idea of ultraprecise control:
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超精确控制的问题上
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Could we dial in information precisely where we want it to go?
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我们是否能把信息精确的传输到我们想要地方?
当11年前我开始研究神经科学
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So, when I started in neuroscience 11 years ago --
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I had trained as an electrical engineer and a physicist --
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我受训成为一个电学工程师和物理学家
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the first thing I thought about was,
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而且第一件我想到的事
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if these neurons are electrical devices,
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如果这些神经元是电子元件
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all we need to do is to find some way of driving those electrical changes
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所有我们要做的是找到某些方法
在一定距离控制电流的变化
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at a distance.
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如果我们能刺激单独一个细胞
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If we could turn on the electricity in one cell but not its neighbors,
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而不牵涉它周边
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that'd give us the tool to activate and shut down these different cells
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那就我们就有了能激活和关闭各种不同细胞的工具
了解它们的作用和他们如何作用
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to figure out what they do
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and how they contribute to the networks in which they're embedded.
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在它们位于的脑部网络
同样这给了我们需要的超精确控制
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It would also allow us to have the ultraprecise control we need
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来修复出错
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to fix the circuit computations that have gone awry.
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的回路
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Now, how are we going to do that?
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如今我们将怎么做呢?
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Well, there are many molecules that exist in nature
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自然中有很多分子
能够把光转化为电流
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which are able to convert light into electricity.
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你可以把它们看做小蛋白质
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You can think of them as little proteins that are like solar cells.
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像太阳能细胞
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If we install these molecules in neurons somehow,
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如果我们能用某种方法把这些分子注入到神经元中
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then these neurons would become electrically drivable with light,
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这些神经元就能转型成光控的电子元件
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and their neighbors, which don't have this molecule, would not.
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那些周边的细胞,那些没有接受分子的,就不会转型
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There's one other magic trick you need to make this happen:
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另外还有一个你需要知道的小窍门,
就是把光注入脑中。
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the ability to get light into the brain.
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The brain doesn't feel pain.
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这么做--大脑不会感知到痛苦--你能--
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Taking advantage of all the effort
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充分利用脑中
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that's gone into the internet, telecommunications, etc.,
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类似互联网和沟通的功能--
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you can put optical fibers connected to lasers
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把光纤连接到激光束中
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to activate -- in animal models, for example, in preclinical studies --
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以此来激活,比如说动物的细胞
在潜伏期的研究中
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these neurons and see what they do.
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要了解这些神经元的功用
那我们应该怎么做呢?
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So how do we do this?
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Around 2004, in collaboration with Georg Nagel and Karl Deisseroth,
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大概在2004年
在与格哈德·内格尔和卡尔·戴斯洛合作的时候
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this vision came to fruition.
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假想得到了最终的成功
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There's a certain alga that swims in the wild,
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自然界中有一种特定的海藻
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and it needs to navigate towards light in order to photosynthesize optimally.
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它就有趋光性
来达到最理想的光合效果
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And it senses light with a little eyespot,
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它用一个小眼点来感知光线
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which works not unlike how our eye works.
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但其工作原理和人眼大相径庭
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In its membrane, or its boundary,
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在它的细胞膜,或者它的边界
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it contains little proteins
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含有少量的蛋白质
能把光转化为电流
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that indeed can convert light into electricity.
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这些分子被叫做槽型视紫质(TRB)
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These molecules are called channelrhodopsins.
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And each of these proteins acts just like that solar cell
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这种蛋白质就像我告诉过你们的太阳能细胞那样运作
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that I told you about.
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当蓝光照射时,它会打开一个小口
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When blue light hits it,
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it opens a little hole and allows charged particles to enter the eyespot;
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允许带点的微粒进入眼点中
这样眼点就有了电信号
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that allows this eyespot to have an electrical signal,
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就像是用太阳能细胞给电池充电一般
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just like a solar cell charging a battery.
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So what we need to do is take these molecules
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我们需要做的就是提取这些分子
然后用某种方法注入到神经元中
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and somehow install them in neurons.
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And because it's a protein,
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同时因为这是蛋白质
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it's encoded for in the DNA of this organism.
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由生物的DNA编码而成
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So all we've got to do is take that DNA,
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所以我们所要做的就是提取DNA
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put it into a gene therapy vector, like a virus,
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注入到基因载体上,比如病毒
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and put it into neurons.
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然后把病毒注入到神经元中
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And this was a very productive time in gene therapy,
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结果证明基因载体是一个很直接的方法
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and lots of viruses were coming along,
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病毒长驱直入
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so this turned out to be fairly simple.
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证实了操作的简易性
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Early in the morning one day in the summer of 2004,
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在2004年夏天的一个早晨
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we gave it a try, and it worked on the first try.
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我们实物操作了一番,第一次尝试有了起效
你提取出DNA并注入到神经元中
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You take this DNA and put it into the neuron.
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The neuron uses its natural protein-making machinery
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神经元用它自身的蛋白质合成器
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to fabricate these little light-sensitive proteins
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来组装出这些小型的光敏蛋白质
并使其分不到细胞各处
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and install them all over the cell, like putting solar panels on a roof.
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就像在顶层架设太阳能板
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And the next thing you know,
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接下去
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you have a neuron which can be activated with light.
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你就有了个光敏的神经元
这是个很有效的工具
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So this is very powerful.
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One of the tricks you have to do is figure out how to deliver these genes
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你要做的步骤
就是设法把这些基因注入到你需要的细胞内
07:22
to the cells you want and not all the other neighbors.
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而不是其他周边的细胞
你可以完成;你能转变这些病毒
07:25
And you can do that;
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you can tweak the viruses so they hit some cells and not others.
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让它们只针对一些细胞而涉及到其他细胞
还有其他基因方式能
07:29
And there's other genetic tricks you can play
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得到这种光敏细胞
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in order to get light-activated cells.
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如今这领域叫做光遗传学
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This field has now come to be known as "optogenetics."
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And just as one example of the kind of thing you can do,
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举个例子来说明你要做的,
你可以在一个复杂的网络系统
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you can take a complex network,
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use one of these viruses to deliver the gene
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利用一种病毒来传递这种基因
在密集的细胞区域只针对一种细胞
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just to one kind of cell in this dense network.
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And then when you shine light on the entire network,
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接着当你照射整个区域的时候
07:48
just that cell type will be activated.
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只有那些特定的细胞被激活
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For example, let's consider that basket cell I told you about earlier,
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比如说,用篮细胞来做例子会更简单一点
就是那种萎缩导致精神分裂
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the one that's atrophied in schizophrenia
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有抑制作用的细胞
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and the one that is inhibitory.
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如果我们能把基因注入到这些细胞中--
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If we can deliver that gene to these cells --
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而且他们不会引起基因的表现型有所改变--
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they won't be altered by the expression of the gene, of course --
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接着用蓝光照射整个脑组织
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then flash blue light over the entire brain network,
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just these cells are going to be driven.
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只有蓝细胞会被激活
而当无光线的时候,这些细胞就变回普通的细胞
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And when the light turns off, these cells go back to normal;
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没有产生不良的后果
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there don't seem to be adverse events.
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08:12
Not only can you study what these cells do,
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不仅你能了解到这些细胞的功用
08:14
what their power is in computing in the brain,
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在大脑运作中它们的能效
而且你也能尝试解决--
08:17
you can also use this to try to figure out
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也许我们可以激活这些细胞的活性,
08:19
if we could jazz up the activity of these cells
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如果它们真的萎缩的话。
08:21
if indeed, they're atrophied.
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08:22
I want to tell you some short stories about how we're using this
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现在我想告诉你一些小故事
关于我们怎么利用这技术的,
08:25
both at the scientific clinical and preclinical levels.
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在科学,临床阶段和临床前阶段的研究。
08:29
One of the questions that we've confronted is:
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在我们遭遇到的问题中有一个
08:31
What signals in the brain mediate the sensation of reward?
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是,大脑用什么样的信号来代表奖励的感觉呢?
08:34
Because if you could find those,
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因为如果我们找到的话
08:36
those would be some of the signals that could drive learning;
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那能够驱使细胞学习的信号
大脑就会为了奖励竭尽全力
08:39
the brain will do more of what got that reward.
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同时也是这些出错的信号引起疾病类似成瘾症
08:41
These are also signals that go awry in disorders such as addiction.
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如果我们能够知道是哪些细胞的话
08:44
So if we could figure out what cells they are, we could maybe find new targets
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我们可能就有新的靶细胞
来专门设计或者挑选药物来对抗疾病
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for which drugs can be designed or screened against
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或者找到植入电击器的位置
08:50
or maybe places where electrodes could be put in
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来帮助那些有着严重残疾的病人
08:52
for people who have severe disability.
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08:54
To do that, we came up with a very simple paradigm
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为了做到这些,我们想出了一个简单的例子
在菲奥雷拉集团的协助下
08:57
in collaboration with the Fiorillo group,
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在盒子的一边
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where, if the animal goes to one side of this little box,
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如果动物经过这里,就会被光波照射到
09:01
it gets a pulse of light.
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来区别不同细胞对光的感应能力.
09:03
And we'll make different cells in the brain sensitive to light.
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那如果这些细胞是识别为被奖励的
09:06
If these cells can mediate reward, the animal should go there more and more.
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那动物就会多次的经过那里
这就是大致的经过
09:09
And that's what happens.
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09:10
The animal goes to the right-hand side and pokes his nose there
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动物会向右转并用鼻子顶那块地方
每次它做这个动作就会有一道蓝光照射
09:13
and gets a flash of blue light every time he does it.
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那它就会为此重复千上百次
09:16
He'll do that hundreds of times.
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这些是多巴胺神经元
09:17
These are the dopamine neurons,
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你们中的一些可能可能听说过它在大脑的快感中枢某处
09:19
in some of the pleasure centers in the brain.
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现在我们所展示的简短的步骤
09:21
We've shown that a brief activation of these is enough to drive learning.
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就足够,确定的,来诱导学习行为
如今我们概括出大致的观点
09:25
Now we can generalize the idea.
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不是大脑中的某一点
09:27
Instead of one point in the brain, we can devise devices that span the brain,
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我们可以发明一些能够桥接大脑的设备
来把光照射成三维的模式--
09:31
that can deliver light into three-dimensional patterns --
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利用光纤的巧妙排列
09:33
arrays of optical fibers,
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每个光纤都有自身独立的微型光源.
09:35
each coupled to its own independent miniature light source.
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接着我们在生物体上试验
09:37
Then we can try to do things in vivo
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测试那些已经在培养皿中完成的实验--
09:39
that have only been done to date in a dish,
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09:41
like high-throughput screening throughout the entire brain
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就像是给整个大脑做了高速的扫描一般
来确定特定的信号会触发哪些特定的事情
09:44
for the signals that can cause certain things to happen
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或者它们会成为临床上很好的
09:47
or that could be good clinical targets for treating brain disorders.
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治疗脑部疾病的新目标
另外一件我想说的事是
09:50
One story I want to tell you about is:
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我们如何寻找靶细胞来治疗创伤后应激障碍--
09:52
How can we find targets for treating post-traumatic stress disorder,
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这是一种不受控制的焦虑恐慌的症候群
09:55
a form of uncontrolled anxiety and fear?
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我们要做的一件事
09:58
One of the things that we did was to adopt a very classical model of fear.
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接受一个经典的恐怖模式
10:02
This goes back to the Pavlovian days.
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那就回到了巴甫洛夫的时代
10:05
It's called Pavlovian fear conditioning, where a tone ends with a brief shock.
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也被称作巴甫洛夫恐惧条件反射
在响声后的短暂电击
10:09
The shock isn't painful, but it's a little annoying.
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电极并不疼痛,但是有点烦人
久而久之--这里的例子,老鼠
10:12
And over time -- in this case, a mouse,
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是一个很好的动物典型,在试验中广泛使用--
10:14
which is a good animal model, commonly used in such experiments --
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动物学会去害怕响声
10:17
the animal learns to fear the tone.
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会表现出呆滞的反应
10:18
It will react by freezing, sort of like a deer in the headlights.
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有点像鹿被车灯照射后的反应一样
10:21
Now the question is: What targets in the brain can we find
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如今的问题是,大脑中哪些目标位置
10:24
that allow us to overcome this fear?
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能让我们克服这种恐惧?
我们所做的就是再一次播放那
10:27
So we play that tone again, after it's been associated with fear.
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当已经和恐惧联系起来的响声
但是我们激活大脑中的靶细胞,每次不同的位置
10:31
But we activate different targets in the brain,
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利用光纤阵列来演示出之前那样的图片
10:33
using that optical fiber array I showed on the previous slide,
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来尝试找出能让大脑克服
10:36
in order to try and figure out
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10:37
which targets can cause the brain to overcome that memory of fear.
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恐惧记忆的靶细胞
这简短的录像
10:41
This brief video shows you one of these targets
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展示给大家一些我们正在研究的几个靶细胞
10:43
that we're working on now.
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10:44
This is an area in the prefrontal cortex, a region where we can use cognition
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这是前额皮层的一部分
一块能让我们用感知来尝试克服厌恶情绪的区域
10:48
to try to overcome aversive emotional states.
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动物将听到同样的响声--以及一束光线
10:50
The animal hears a tone. A flash of light occurs.
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光线不伴随声音,但是你也能看到动物呆滞的反应
10:52
There's no audio, but you see that the animal freezes --
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这声响意味着坏的消息
10:55
the tone used to mean bad news.
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在左下角有个小型的闹钟
10:56
There's a little clock in the lower left-hand corner.
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你能看到老鼠用了大约两分钟僵立在那里
10:59
You can see the animal is about two minutes into this.
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下一个片段
11:02
This next clip is just eight minutes later.
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是八分钟之后
11:04
And the same tone is going to play, and the light is going to flash again.
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同样的响声,和相同的光线再一次的出现
好,开始了,就现在
11:08
OK, there it goes. Right ... now.
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正如你所见,只用了10分钟的实验
11:11
And now you can see, just 10 minutes into the experiment,
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我们就用光激活了大脑的这部分区域
11:14
that we've equipped the brain, by photoactivating this area,
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来克服恐惧记忆
11:17
to overcome the expression of this fear memory.
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的表现行为
近几年里,我们正回溯本源
11:21
Over the last couple years, we've gone back to the tree of life,
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因为我们想找到控制大脑的方法
11:24
because we wanted to find ways to turn circuits in the brain off.
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如果我们能够控制的话,那就可能是极具影响的
11:27
If we could do that, this could be extremely powerful.
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11:29
If you can delete cells for a few milliseconds or seconds,
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如果让细胞失效就算几毫秒或者几秒的话
11:32
you can figure out what role they play in the circuits in which they're embedded.
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就能了解到它们所在位置的脑电路
所扮演的本质的角色
11:36
We surveyed organisms from all over the tree of life --
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如今我们已经调查了生物界所有的生物--
所有生物除了动物,我们并没有发现太大的差异。
11:39
every kingdom of life but animals; we see slightly differently.
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我们发现了各种各样的分子,被命名为感光紫红蛋白或者远古感光蛋白
11:42
We found molecules called halorhodopsins or archaerhodopsins,
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会对绿色和黄色光线作出反应
11:45
that respond to green and yellow light.
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11:46
And they do the opposite of the molecule I told you about before,
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它们的反应是与之前我所提到的蓝光
活性槽型视紫质的反应恰恰相反
11:50
with the blue light activator, channelrhodopsin.
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11:52
Let's give an example of where we think this is going to go.
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举个例子来说明具体的情况
11:55
Consider, for example, a condition like epilepsy,
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比如说癫痫这个症状
11:58
where the brain is overactive.
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起因是大脑过度活跃
12:00
Now, if drugs fail in epileptic treatment,
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如果癫痫药物治疗失败
12:02
one of the strategies is to remove part of the brain,
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其他一种方法就是移除那部分大脑
但是这显然是不可逆的过程,而且会引起副作用
12:05
but that's irreversible, and there could be side effects.
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那如果我们让那部分大脑休眠一会儿
12:07
What if we could just turn off that brain for the brief amount of time
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知道症状全部消失
12:11
until the seizure dies away,
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12:12
and cause the brain to be restored to its initial state,
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再让大脑恢复到原来的阶段--
12:15
like a dynamical system that's being coaxed down into a stable state?
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就好像把一个活跃的系统诱骗到一个稳定的系统一样
这动画只是为了解释
12:19
This animation tries to explain this concept
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12:21
where we made these cells sensitive to being turned off with light,
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我们能利用光源来控制脑细胞这个概念
当我们用光照射时
12:24
and we beam light in,
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12:25
and just for the time it takes to shut down a seizure,
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照射的时间也仅仅是能够刚好让症状消除
我们希望实验能够成功
12:28
we're hoping to be able to turn it off.
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暂时我们还没有这方面的实验数据展示给大家
12:30
We don't have data to show you on this front,
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但是我们对此充满期待
12:32
but we're very excited about this.
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12:33
I want to close on one story, which we think is another possibility,
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现在我想用一个故事来结束我的演讲
我们认为此技术能有其他用途---
12:37
which is that maybe these molecules, if you can do ultraprecise control,
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如果能超精确控制这些感光蛋白
能够在脑中
12:40
can be used in the brain itself to make a new kind of prosthetic,
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形成一个新型的假肢,光学的价值
12:43
an optical prosthetic.
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我曾说过,电击器并不普遍
12:45
I already told you that electrical stimulators are not uncommon.
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如今只有75000位帕金森病人植入了脑部电击器
12:48
Seventy-five thousand people
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12:49
have Parkinson's deep-brain stimulators implanted,
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大约10万人在耳蜗中植入电击器
12:51
maybe 100,000 people have cochlear implants, which allow them to hear.
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通过这样来恢复他们的听觉
另一件事,就是你要让这些基因细胞移植入细胞中
12:55
Another thing -- you've got to get these genes into cells.
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基因治疗的新希望也就此诞生了
12:58
A new hope in gene therapy has been developed,
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13:00
because viruses like the adeno-associated virus --
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因为像腺类病毒这类病毒
可能我们大多数都有携带
13:03
which probably most of us around this room have;
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但它不会引发任何症状
13:05
it doesn't have any symptoms --
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它已经在上百名病人体内应用治疗
13:07
have been used in hundreds of patients
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13:08
to deliver genes into the brain or the body.
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来转送基因进入大脑或者身体内
13:10
And so far, there have not been serious adverse events
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目前为止,还有没有因为此病毒
而引起任何严重不良反应的报告
13:13
associated with the virus.
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13:14
There's one last elephant in the room: the proteins themselves,
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还有最后一点要重视的大隐患,就是蛋白质其本身
13:17
which come from algae, bacteria and funguses
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那些来自于藻类,细菌以及真菌
13:19
and all over the tree of life.
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以及来自生物界的各种蛋白质
13:21
Most of us don't have funguses or algae in our brains,
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我们大多数脑子没有真菌或者藻类的存在
那如果我们把它们放入脑中会怎么样呢?
13:24
so what will our brain do if we put that in?
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我们大脑是否会排斥它?免疫系统是否会反应?
13:26
Will the cells tolerate it? Will the immune system react?
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早期的时候--我们并没有在人体里做实验--
13:28
It's early -- these haven't been done in humans yet --
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但是我们做了其他各种研究
13:31
but we're working on a variety of studies to examine this.
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来评估这方法
目前为止,我们还没有因这些分子或者
13:34
So far, we haven't seen overt reactions of any severity
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因光照大脑
13:37
to these molecules
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13:38
or to the illumination of the brain with light.
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而产生的严重不良反应
这还是初步的研究,就算如此,我们很激动
13:42
So it's early days, to be upfront, but we're excited about it.
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我想用一个故事来结束我的演讲
13:45
I wanted to close with one story,
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13:46
which we think could potentially be a clinical application.
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我们认为这有可能
成为一种临床的疗法
13:50
Now, there are many forms of blindness
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失明有很多种类
大多关于
13:53
where the photoreceptors -- light sensors in the back of our eye --
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我们的眼球内部的光受体的损害。
13:56
are gone.
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13:57
And the retina is a complex structure.
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我们的视网膜是个很复杂的结构
13:59
Let's zoom in on it so we can see it in more detail.
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我们来放大,仔细研究一下
照片中的感光受体在顶部
14:02
The photoreceptor cells are shown here at the top.
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14:04
The signals that are detected by the photoreceptors are transformed
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被感光受体接收到的光信号
经过各种转化
14:08
via various computations
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最终从上而下,从神经节细胞
14:09
until finally, the layer of cells at the bottom, the ganglion cells,
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传输信息到大脑出
14:12
relay the information to the brain,
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以此来获得视觉
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where we see that as perception.
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很多种类的失明,比如色素性视网膜炎
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In many forms of blindness, like retinitis pigmentosa
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or macular degeneration,
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或者黄斑部变性
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the photoreceptor cells have atrophied or been destroyed.
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感光细胞是萎缩或者有损伤的
14:23
Now, how could you repair this?
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那我们如何才能修复呢?
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It's not even clear that a drug could cause this to be restored,
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还没有证据证明药物可以对治疗这些疾病
14:28
since there's nothing for the drug to bind to.
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因为还没有针对的特效药
14:30
On the other hand, light can still get into the eye.
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但是,光还是能进入眼球的
眼球还是通透的,你也能看到光线能够进入
14:33
The eye is still transparent and you can get light in.
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所以,如果我们能把这些单细胞感光紫红质蛋白和其他分子
14:36
So what if we could take these channelrhodopsins and other molecules
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注入到那些正常的细胞中
14:39
and install them on some of these other spared cells
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把它们转化为一台台小的摄像机
14:41
and convert them into little cameras?
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因为眼球内部有很多细胞
14:43
And because there are so many of these cells in the eye,
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有可能,他们会成为高清的相机
14:46
potentially, they could be very high-resolution cameras.
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这就是我们所在做的
14:48
This is some work that we're doing,
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我们合作人之一
14:50
led by one of our collaborators, Alan Horsager at USC,
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艾伦·霍斯葛
14:53
and being sought to be commercialized by a start-up company, Eos Neuroscience,
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也正在美国卫生研究所的资助下将其技术
商业化运作
14:57
which is funded by the NIH.
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What you see here is a mouse trying to solve a six-arm maze.
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现在你所看到的是一个走迷宫的老鼠
这是六臂的迷宫,迷宫中有些许水
15:01
There's a bit of water to motivate the mouse to move or he'll just sit there.
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来刺激老鼠移动,否则它只会呆在某处
当然,这迷宫的目的
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The goal of this maze is to get out of the water
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是为了让水流入一个
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and go to a little platform that's under the lit top port.
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顶光源的平台
老鼠很聪明,最终走出了这迷宫
15:11
Mice are smart, so this one solves the maze eventually,
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but he does a brute-force search.
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但是这是靠蛮力解决的
15:15
He's swimming down every avenue until he finally gets to the platform.
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它游过了每条分支最终才找到了平台
15:18
He's not using vision to do it.
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所以它没有利用视觉来解决这问题
15:20
These different mice are different mutations
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这些老鼠有着不一样的突变基因
各自代表着人类不用种类的失明症状
15:23
that recapitulate different kinds of blindness that affect humans.
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所以我们有很小心的探索不同种类的失明情况下
15:26
So we're being careful in trying to look at these different models
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找出一个普遍的解决方法
15:29
so we come up with a generalized approach.
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那我们如何解决呢?
15:31
So how can we solve this?
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我们就完全按照之前片子里讲的那样
15:33
We'll do exactly what we outlined in the previous slide.
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把蓝光感光蛋白
15:35
We'll take these blue light photo sensors
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注入到眼球最后方的视网膜的
15:37
and install them onto a layer of cells
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一层细胞上
15:39
in the middle of the retina in the back of the eye
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and convert them into a camera --
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把它们转化为一台台相机
15:43
just like installing solar cells all over those neurons
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就好像这些神经元上布满了太阳能细胞一样
让它们接受光信号
15:46
to make them light-sensitive.
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Light is converted to electricity on them.
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并把光信号转化为电信号
15:49
So this mouse was blind a couple weeks before this experiment
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这老鼠实验前几周就瞎了
15:52
and received one dose of this photosensitive molecule on a virus.
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只接受过一次携带有感光受体分子的病毒注射
你现在可以看到,老鼠能够避开墙壁
15:56
And now you can see, the animal can indeed avoid walls
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找到有亮光的平台
15:58
and go to this little platform
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视觉得到了恢复
16:00
and make cognitive use of its eyes again.
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为了指出其中的意义:
16:03
And to point out the power of this:
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这些动物走到平台的时间
16:05
these animals can get to that platform
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just as fast as animals that have seen their entire lives.
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和那些没有瞎的东西用时是一样的
虽然还处于临床前阶段
16:09
So this preclinical study, I think, bodes hope
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但是我认为这是个好兆头
16:11
for the kinds of things we're hoping to do in the future.
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未来我们希望我们能够成功
最后,我想指出我们正研究的一种
16:15
We're also exploring new business models for this new field of neurotechnology.
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针对神经科学这新领域的商业模式
我们发明了这些工具
16:20
We're developing tools and sharing them freely
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但是我们愿意和全世界的人共同分享
16:22
with hundreds of groups all over the world
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这样人们才能进一步研究并尝试治疗其他各种疾病
16:24
for them to study and try to treat different disorders.
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我们希望,通过了解大脑的神经网络
16:26
Our hope is that by figuring out brain circuits
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通过某种程度的手术,能让我们修复并设计神经网络
16:29
at a level of abstraction that lets us repair them and engineer them,
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我们会继续研究我之前讲过的几种疾病
16:32
we can take some of these intractable disorders I mentioned earlier,
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特别是那几种从未被治愈过的
16:35
practically none of which are cured,
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他们在21世纪将会成为历史
16:37
and in the 21st century, make them history.
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谢谢
16:39
Thank you.
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16:40
(Applause)
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(掌声)
16:53
Juan Enriquez: So some of this stuff is a little dense.
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Juan Enriquez(JE):您的演讲有些深奥啊。
16:56
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
但是利用光
16:59
But the implications of being able to control seizures or epilepsy
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来控制癫痫或者抽搐
17:03
with light instead of drugs
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而不是用药物
17:05
and being able to target those specifically
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还要能够精确地控制靶细胞
17:08
is a first step.
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是第一步。
17:10
The second thing that I think I heard you say
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据我所听到的,第二步
17:12
is you can now control the brain in two colors,
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是用两种色彩的光来控制大脑
就好像开关一样
17:17
like an on-off switch.
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艾德·博伊登(EB):没错.
17:18
Ed Boyden: That's right.
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JE:这让每个大脑中的神经冲动变成二进制的代码
17:20
JE: Which makes every impulse going through the brain a binary code.
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EB:是的
17:23
EB: Right.
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17:24
With blue light, we can drive information, and it's in the form of a one.
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当蓝灯亮起时,我们能传输信息。就类似于代码1
等光关闭了,就类似代码0
17:28
And by turning things off, it's more or less a zero.
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我们的希望是最终建造一个大脑协同处理器
17:30
Our hope is to eventually build brain coprocessors that work with the brain
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来和大脑一起运作
以此来帮助那些有残疾的人
17:34
so we can augment functions in people with disabilities.
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17:36
JE: And in theory, that means that, as a mouse feels, smells, hears, touches,
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那就是理论上,这代表着
老鼠的感觉,嗅觉
听觉和触觉
17:42
you can model it out as a string of ones and zeros.
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你都能把它整合到一串0和1
17:45
EB: Yeah. We're hoping to use this as a way of testing
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EB:的确是这样的。我们希望通过这种测试
来确定哪种神经代码代表着哪种行为举止
17:48
what neural codes can drive certain behaviors
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或者是想法或者感受
17:50
and certain thoughts and certain feelings
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通过这样来更多的了解大脑
17:52
and use that to understand more about the brain.
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17:54
JE: Does that mean that someday you could download memories
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JE:这是不是意味着某天你能下载记忆
17:57
and maybe upload them?
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或者上传记忆呢?
17:59
EB: That's something we're starting to work on very hard.
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EB:我们着手的某些工作是很复杂的
我们还在继续的研究
18:02
We're now working on trying to tile the brain with recording elements, too,
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我们也在尝试去标记下这个大脑记录数据
18:05
so we can record information and then drive information back in --
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我们就能记录信息,并把信息传输回大脑--
18:08
sort of computing what the brain needs
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类似于了解什么是大脑所需的
18:10
in order to augment its information processing.
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来增强它的信息处理效率.
18:12
JE: Well, that might change a couple things. Thank you.
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JE: 嗯,这会改变我的世界的。谢谢! (EB: 谢谢.)
18:15
EB: Thank you.
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(掌声)
18:16
(Applause)
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