Rob Harmon: How the market can keep streams flowing

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翻译人员: Felix Chen 校对人员: Jenny Yang
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This is a river.
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这是一条河。
这是条小溪。
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This is a stream.
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This is a river.
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这是一条河。
国内到处都是这样的情形。
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This is happening all over the country.
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There are tens of thousands of miles of dewatered streams in the United States.
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在美国有数以万计英里长的
干涸的溪流。
00:33
On this map, the colored areas represent water conflicts.
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在这张地图上,
彩色的区域表示水资源冲突。
00:39
Similar problems are emerging in the East as well.
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同样的问题也正出现在东方。
原因各有不同,
00:43
The reasons vary state to state, but mostly in the details.
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但主要是细节上的差异。
仅在蒙大拿州就有4000英里
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There are 4,000 miles of dewatered streams in Montana alone.
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干涸的溪流。
00:52
They would ordinarily support fish and other wildlife.
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通常它们会滋养鱼类和其他野生动物。
00:56
They're the veins of the ecosystem,
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它们是生态系统的血管,
它们通常是干涸的血管。
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and they're often empty veins.
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我想给大家讲讲
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I want to tell you the story of just one of these streams,
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这些溪流其中一条的故事,
01:06
because it's an archetype for the larger story.
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因为它是整个故事的原型。
01:09
This is Prickly Pear Creek.
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这是仙人掌果溪。
01:11
It runs through a populated area from East Helena to Lake Helena.
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它穿过一个人类聚集区域,
从东赫勒拿到赫勒拿湖。
其中有各种野生鱼类,
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It supports wild fish including cutthroat, brown and rainbow trout.
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包括切喉鳟、褐鳟
和虹鳟。
01:22
Nearly every year for more than a hundred years ...
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几乎在过去
一百年中的每一年里,
它在夏天看起来都是这样。
01:28
it looked like this in the summer.
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01:30
How did we get here?
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我们是怎样走到今天这一步的呢?
好的,回到十九世纪末期,
01:33
Well, it started back in the late 1800s
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那时人们开始在如蒙大拿这样的地方定居。
01:36
when people started settling in places like Montana.
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01:39
In short, there was a lot of water and there weren't very many people.
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总之,那儿有很多的水
而且没多少人。
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But as more people showed up wanting water,
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但随着更多渴求水源的人出现,
01:46
the folks who were there first got a little concerned,
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最先定居于此的人们开始有点担心,
01:49
and in 1865, Montana passed its first water law.
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在1865年,蒙大拿通过了第一部水资源法。
简单的说,每个临水而居的人
01:54
It basically said, everybody near the stream can share in the stream.
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都能分享水源。
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Oddly, a lot of people showed up wanting to share the stream,
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奇妙地是,许多人都表现地愿意分享水源,
02:01
and the folks who were there first
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最先定居于此的人们
02:03
got concerned enough to bring out their lawyers.
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对此非常关注,还带来了他们的律师。
02:05
There were precedent-setting suits in 1870 and 1872,
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在1870年和1872年
有这样的先例,
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both involving Prickly Pear Creek.
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都涉及仙人掌果溪。
而在1921年,
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And in 1921,
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the Montana Supreme Court ruled in a case involving Prickly Pear
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蒙大拿最高法院
裁定的一个案件中涉及仙人掌果溪,
02:18
that the folks who were there first had the first, or "senior water rights."
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其中裁定最先定居的人们
拥有首先、或更高的水资源权利。
02:24
These senior water rights are key.
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这种高级的水资源权利很重要。
问题是,整个西部现在
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The problem is that all over the West now it looks like this.
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看起来都像这样。
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Some of these creeks have claims
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其中一些溪流
02:33
for 50 to 100 times more water than is actually in the stream.
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被超过其实际容量的
50倍至100倍的索取水源。
02:38
And the senior water rights holders, if they don't use their water right,
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而更高级的水资源权利拥有者,
如果他们不主张他们的水资源权利,
02:43
they risk losing their water right --
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就会冒着失去水资源权利,
以及随之而来的经济价值的风险。
02:46
along with the economic value that goes with it.
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因此他们没有动力去保护水源。
02:49
So they have no incentive to conserve.
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02:52
So it's not just about the number of people;
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这不仅是一群人的事儿;
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the system itself creates a disincentive to conserve
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系统本身抑制了保护水源,
因为如果你主张水资源权利,就会失去它。
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because you can lose your water right if you don't use it.
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03:03
So after decades of lawsuits and 140 years, now, of experience,
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因此经历了几十年的诉讼
和拥有了现在140年的经验后,
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we still have this.
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我们仍然拥有这个。
这是个破碎的系统。
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It's a broken system.
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03:12
There's a disincentive to conserve,
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它抑制了对水源的保护,
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because if you don't use your water right, you can lose your water right.
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因为,你不主张你的水资源权利,
就会失去它。
03:18
And I'm sure you all know, this has created significant conflicts
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我确信大家都知道,这在农业团体
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between the agricultural and environmental communities.
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和环保团体间制造了重大的冲突。
03:25
OK, now I'm going to change gears here.
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好了。现在我要改变一下方式。
各位中的多数会很开心地了解到
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Most of you will be happy to know that the rest of the presentation's free ...
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演讲剩下的部分是免费的。
03:32
(Laughter)
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而知道其中涉及啤酒一些人也会很开心。
03:34
and some of you'll be happy to know that it involves beer.
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03:36
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:39
There's another thing happening around the country,
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全国各地还发生了另一件事儿,
那就是企业们开始关注
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which is that companies are starting to get concerned
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他们的水足迹。
03:44
about their water footprint.
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03:46
They're concerned about securing an adequate supply of water,
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他们关心用水的安全和充足,
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they're trying to be really efficient with their water use,
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他们尝试在水源的使用上真正地有效率,
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and they're concerned about how their water use
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他们关心他们如何使用水源
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affects the image of their brand.
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所对他们的品牌形象造成的影响。
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Well, it's a national problem,
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好的,这是个全国性问题,
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but I'm going to tell you another story from Montana ...
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但我想告诉大家蒙大拿州的另一个故事,
04:01
and it involves beer.
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涉及啤酒。
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I bet you didn't know, it takes about 5 pints of water
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我打赌你们并不知道,生产1品脱啤酒
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to make a pint of beer.
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需要消耗5品脱水。
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If you include all the drain,
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如果算上所有排放的废水,
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it takes more than a hundred pints of water to make a pint of beer.
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生产一品脱啤酒要消耗超过一百品脱的水。
现在蒙大拿的啤酒厂
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Now the brewers in Montana
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have already done a lot to reduce their water consumption,
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已经做了许多措施
来减少水的消耗,
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but they still use millions of gallons of water.
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但他们仍然要用数百万加仑的水。
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I mean, there's water in beer.
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我的意思是,在啤酒中的水。
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So what can they do about this remaining water footprint
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那么对于这些
遗留下来的会对生态系统
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that can have serious effects on the ecosystem?
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造成严重影响的水足迹,
他们所能做些什么?
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These ecosystems are really important
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这些生态系统确实对
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to the Montana brewers and their customers.
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蒙大拿的啤酒厂和他们的顾客非常重要。
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After all, there's a strong correlation between water and fishing,
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毕竟,在水和渔业
紧密相连。
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and for some, there's a strong correlation between fishing and beer.
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而且某种程度上,渔业和啤酒
也紧密相连。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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So the Montana brewers and their customers are concerned
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因此蒙大拿的啤酒厂和他们的顾客开始担忧,
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and they're looking for some way to address the problem.
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他们在寻找一些能解决问题的方案。
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So how can they address this remaining water footprint?
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那么他们如何才能解决这一遗留下来的水足迹呢?
回忆一下仙人掌果溪。
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Remember Prickly Pear.
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05:00
Up until now, business water stewardship
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到目前为止,
商业水源管理
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has been limited to measuring and reducing,
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一直局限于测量和减少使用上,
我们正在建议下一步
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and we're suggesting that the next step is to restore.
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是恢复。
回忆一下仙人掌果溪。
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Remember Prickly Pear.
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05:14
It's a broken system.
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它是个破碎的系统。
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You've got a disincentive to conserve,
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它抑制了对水源的保护,
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because if you don't use your water right, you risk losing your water right.
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因为你不主张你的水资源权利,就会冒着失去它的风险。
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Well, we decided to connect these two worlds --
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好了,我们决定把这两个世界连接起来 --
有着水足迹的
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the world of the companies with their water footprints
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企业的世界
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and the world of the farmers
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和对这些溪流
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with their senior water rights on these creeks.
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有着更高级的水资源权利的农夫的世界。
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In some states,
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在一些州,
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senior water rights holders can leave their water in the stream
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高级水资源权利拥有者
能让他们的水留在溪流中
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while legally protecting it from others,
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同时合法的保护它
并维护他们的水资源权利。
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and maintaining their water right.
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毕竟,
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After all, it is their water right,
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这是他们的水资源权利,
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and if they want to use that water right to help the fish grow in the stream,
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而如果他们想主张这一权利
来帮助水源中鱼类的成长,
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it's their right to do so.
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他们有权这么做。
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But they have no incentive to do so.
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但他们没有动力这么做。
因此,与当地水务部门合作,
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So, working with local water trusts, we created an incentive to do so.
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我们建立了一种这样做的动机。
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We pay them to leave their water in stream.
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我们付钱给他们,让他们把水留在溪流中。
这就是所发生的一切。
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That's what's happening here.
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06:10
This individual has made the choice and is closing this water diversion,
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这个人做出了选择,
他合上了这个水闸,
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leaving the water in the stream.
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让水呆在溪流中。
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He doesn't lose the water right,
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他并没有失去水资源权利,
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he just chooses to apply that right, or some portion of it,
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他只是选择应用这一权利,
或是部分权利,
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to the stream, instead of to the land.
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让水呆在溪流中,而不是流入田地。
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Because he's the senior water-rights holder,
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因为他是高级的水资源权利拥有者,
他能保护水源免受溪流的其他使用者的伤害。
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he can protect the water from other users in the stream.
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对么?
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OK?
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06:35
He gets paid to leave the water in the stream.
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他受雇让水呆在溪流中的。
他在测量保留
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This guy's measuring the water that this leaves in the stream.
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在溪流中的水流。
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We then take the measured water,
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接着我们获取测量过的水源,
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we divide it into thousand-gallon increments.
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我们把它分成数千加仑大小的等份。
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Each increment gets a serial number and a certificate,
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每个等份有一个序列号和一个证书,
接着啤酒厂和其他人
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and then the brewers and others buy those certificates
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购买这些证书,
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as a way to return water to these degraded ecosystems.
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作为向退化的生态系统
注入水源的一种方式。
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The brewers pay to restore water to the stream.
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啤酒厂出钱
恢复河流中的水源。
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It provides a simple, inexpensive and measurable way
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这提供了一个简单、廉价
且可测的方式
来向这些退化的生态系统注入水源,
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to return water to these degraded ecosystems,
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07:12
while giving farmers an economic choice
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同时给农夫一个经济补偿
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and giving businesses concerned about their water footprints
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及让关心自己的水足迹的企业
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an easy way to deal with them.
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一个简单易行的处理方法。
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After 140 years of conflict and 100 years of dry streams,
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在140年的冲突
和100年的干涸之后,
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a circumstance that litigation and regulation has not solved,
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一个诉讼和监管
没有解决的问题,
我们用一个基于市场的,
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we put together a market-based, willing buyer, willing seller solution --
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你情我愿的买卖双方聚在一起的解决方案解决了 --
这个解决方案并不需要诉讼。
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a solution that does not require litigation.
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07:41
It's about giving folks concerned about their water footprints
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这就是给
那些关心他们的水足迹的人们
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a real opportunity to put water where it's critically needed,
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一个真正的机会,
把水送往急需的地方,
送往退化的生态系统中,
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into these degraded ecosystems,
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07:53
while at the same time providing farmers a meaningful economic choice
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而与此同时
为使用了水源
而给农夫提供
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about how their water is used.
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适当的经济补偿。
08:01
These transactions create allies, not enemies.
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这些交易使人们联合起来,而非敌对。
08:04
They connect people rather than dividing them.
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它们让人们联系起来而不是分开他们。
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And they provide needed economic support for rural communities.
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这为农村社区提供了所需的经济支持。
最重要的是,这有效果。
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And most importantly, it's working.
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We've returned more than four billion gallons of water to degraded ecosystems.
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我们向退化的生态系统回馈了超过
四十亿加仑的水。
我们把高级级水资源权利拥有者
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We've connected senior water-rights holders
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与蒙大拿的啤酒厂,
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with brewers in Montana,
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08:20
with hotels and tea companies in Oregon,
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俄勒冈州的旅馆和茶业公司,
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and with high-tech companies that use a lot of water in the Southwest.
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西南部的耗水众多的高科技公司联系了起来。
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And when we make these connections,
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而当我们建立起这些联系,
08:29
we can and we do turn this ...
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我们就能,我们确实把
它这变成了这样。
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into this.
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08:34
(Applause)
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非常感谢。
08:36
Thank you very much.
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08:37
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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