Rob Harmon: How the market can keep streams flowing

23,706 views ・ 2011-03-14

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譯者: Joyce Chou 審譯者: Wenjer Leuschel
00:18
This is a river.
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這是一條河
這是一條溪
00:21
This is a stream.
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00:23
This is a river.
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這也是一條河
全國到處都發生這種情況
00:26
This is happening all over the country.
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00:28
There are tens of thousands of miles of dewatered streams in the United States.
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美國的河川溪流
有數萬英里沒有水
00:33
On this map, the colored areas represent water conflicts.
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在這張地圖上
著色區塊表示有用水衝突的問題
00:39
Similar problems are emerging in the East as well.
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美國東部也有類似的問題
各州的原因雖然不同
00:43
The reasons vary state to state, but mostly in the details.
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但差別大多在於細節
單單蒙大拿這一州
00:47
There are 4,000 miles of dewatered streams in Montana alone.
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缺水的河流就有4千英里
00:52
They would ordinarily support fish and other wildlife.
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原本提供魚類和野生動物生息
00:56
They're the veins of the ecosystem,
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原本是生態系統血脈的
河流如今經常乾涸了
00:59
and they're often empty veins.
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我想告訴各位
01:03
I want to tell you the story of just one of these streams,
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其中一條河流的故事
01:06
because it's an archetype for the larger story.
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因為它將是一個更大故事的雛形
01:09
This is Prickly Pear Creek.
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這條溪叫仙人掌球溪
01:11
It runs through a populated area from East Helena to Lake Helena.
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流經居住地區
從東海倫娜流到海倫娜湖裡
它提供野生魚類生息
01:17
It supports wild fish including cutthroat, brown and rainbow trout.
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割喉鱒、褐鱒
還有虹鱒
01:22
Nearly every year for more than a hundred years ...
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一百多年來
這條河幾乎每年夏天
看起來都像這樣
01:28
it looked like this in the summer.
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01:30
How did we get here?
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怎會變成這樣的呢?
話說19世紀末期
01:33
Well, it started back in the late 1800s
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有人開始移居像蒙大拿這樣的地方
01:36
when people started settling in places like Montana.
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01:39
In short, there was a lot of water and there weren't very many people.
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簡單來說,當時水源豐沛
居民也不多
01:44
But as more people showed up wanting water,
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但用水的人越來越多
01:46
the folks who were there first got a little concerned,
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先到者開始有點擔心
01:49
and in 1865, Montana passed its first water law.
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1865年蒙大拿通過第一部水資源法
基本上說,凡居住河流附近者
01:54
It basically said, everybody near the stream can share in the stream.
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皆有權共享河流的水
01:58
Oddly, a lot of people showed up wanting to share the stream,
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怪的是許多人都來要共享河水
02:01
and the folks who were there first
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先到者感到憂慮
02:03
got concerned enough to bring out their lawyers.
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便找來律師
02:05
There were precedent-setting suits in 1870 and 1872,
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於是1870和1872年
發生了兩樁訴訟先例
02:09
both involving Prickly Pear Creek.
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都與仙人掌球溪有關
1921年
02:12
And in 1921,
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02:13
the Montana Supreme Court ruled in a case involving Prickly Pear
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蒙大拿最高法院
裁定了一樁有關仙人掌球溪的案子
02:18
that the folks who were there first had the first, or "senior water rights."
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凡先到該地區的居住者
有優先使用該地水源的權利
02:24
These senior water rights are key.
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水源的優先使用權是關鍵
現在美國西部
02:28
The problem is that all over the West now it looks like this.
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也開始出現同樣的問題
02:31
Some of these creeks have claims
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這些溪流當中
02:33
for 50 to 100 times more water than is actually in the stream.
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有些配出的用水權
高達實有溪水的50到100倍以上
02:38
And the senior water rights holders, if they don't use their water right,
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有優先用水權的人
如果不行使他們的用水權
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they risk losing their water right --
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可能就會失去用水權
也同時失去其他附帶的經濟價值
02:46
along with the economic value that goes with it.
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因此他們不受到節約用水的鼓勵
02:49
So they have no incentive to conserve.
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02:52
So it's not just about the number of people;
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這不只是用水人數的問題
02:55
the system itself creates a disincentive to conserve
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而是制度不鼓勵節約用水
因為你不用水就會失去用水權
02:59
because you can lose your water right if you don't use it.
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03:03
So after decades of lawsuits and 140 years, now, of experience,
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因此經過幾十年訴訟
累積了140年的經驗
03:07
we still have this.
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老問題還是沒有解決
這是個失敗的制度
03:11
It's a broken system.
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03:12
There's a disincentive to conserve,
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不能鼓勵節約用水
03:14
because if you don't use your water right, you can lose your water right.
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因為不行使用水權
就會失去用水權
03:18
And I'm sure you all know, this has created significant conflicts
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我相信大家都知道
03:21
between the agricultural and environmental communities.
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這造成了農業和環保團體間的嚴重衝突
03:25
OK, now I'm going to change gears here.
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好,我現在換個方式來說
在座的各位大概都
03:29
Most of you will be happy to know that the rest of the presentation's free ...
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會高興知道以下的演講是免費的
03:32
(Laughter)
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有些人還會高興知道這裡有供應啤酒
03:34
and some of you'll be happy to know that it involves beer.
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03:36
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
03:39
There's another thing happening around the country,
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全國到處還發生另一件事
有些公司也開始憂慮
03:42
which is that companies are starting to get concerned
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他們的"水足跡"相關問題(水足跡指製作產品時消費地球水資源的程度)
03:44
about their water footprint.
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03:46
They're concerned about securing an adequate supply of water,
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他們關心能否保有充足的水源
03:49
they're trying to be really efficient with their water use,
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他們試圖有效地利用水資源
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and they're concerned about how their water use
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也關心自己的用水情況
03:54
affects the image of their brand.
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將如何影響到公司的形象
03:57
Well, it's a national problem,
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好,這是全國性的問題
03:59
but I'm going to tell you another story from Montana ...
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不過我再說個蒙大拿州的故事
04:01
and it involves beer.
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這跟啤酒有關
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I bet you didn't know, it takes about 5 pints of water
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我猜大家可能沒想到釀造一品脫的啤酒
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to make a pint of beer.
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需要大約五品脫的水
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If you include all the drain,
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所有的廢水都算進來
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it takes more than a hundred pints of water to make a pint of beer.
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釀造一品脫啤酒需要用到超過一百品脫的水
當今蒙大拿州的釀酒商
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Now the brewers in Montana
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04:15
have already done a lot to reduce their water consumption,
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已經盡了很大的努力
節約用水
04:19
but they still use millions of gallons of water.
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但還是用了數百萬加侖的水
04:21
I mean, there's water in beer.
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我是說啤酒裡不能沒有水
04:25
So what can they do about this remaining water footprint
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那麼針對生態環境方面
可能會造成嚴重影響的
04:31
that can have serious effects on the ecosystem?
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其他"水足跡"問題
他們能怎麼辦?
04:35
These ecosystems are really important
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對蒙大拿的釀酒商和顧客而言
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to the Montana brewers and their customers.
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生態環境當然重要
04:39
After all, there's a strong correlation between water and fishing,
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畢竟在水和釣魚之間
兩者很有關聯
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and for some, there's a strong correlation between fishing and beer.
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對某些人來說
釣魚和啤酒也很有關聯
04:47
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:49
So the Montana brewers and their customers are concerned
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蒙大拿的釀酒商和顧客也開始關心
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and they're looking for some way to address the problem.
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開始找尋能解決這個問題的方法
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So how can they address this remaining water footprint?
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他們能如何解決剩餘的"水足跡"問題呢?
請記得仙人掌球溪
04:59
Remember Prickly Pear.
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05:00
Up until now, business water stewardship
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到目前為止
商業水資源管理
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has been limited to measuring and reducing,
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一直局限在測量和減少水資源的利用
而我們建議的下一步
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and we're suggesting that the next step is to restore.
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是恢復水資源
請記得仙人掌球溪
05:13
Remember Prickly Pear.
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05:14
It's a broken system.
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那是個失敗的制度
05:15
You've got a disincentive to conserve,
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它不能鼓勵節約用水
05:17
because if you don't use your water right, you risk losing your water right.
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因為不行使用水權就可能失去用水權
05:21
Well, we decided to connect these two worlds --
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我們決定連接這兩個世界
一邊是關心
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the world of the companies with their water footprints
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"水足跡"的公司
05:27
and the world of the farmers
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另一邊是擁有溪流
05:29
with their senior water rights on these creeks.
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優先用水權的農民
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In some states,
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在某些州裡
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senior water rights holders can leave their water in the stream
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有優先用水權的人可以
把他們有權用的水留在溪裡
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while legally protecting it from others,
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同時法律保障不被他人佔用
並保留他們的用水權
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and maintaining their water right.
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畢竟
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After all, it is their water right,
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這是他們的用水權
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and if they want to use that water right to help the fish grow in the stream,
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如果他們要行使用水權
來幫助溪流裡的魚類
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it's their right to do so.
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那也是他們的權利
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But they have no incentive to do so.
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但是他們並沒有意願這麼做
因此我們和當地水資源託管機構合作
06:00
So, working with local water trusts, we created an incentive to do so.
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創造出這麼做的獎勵辦法
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We pay them to leave their water in stream.
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我們付錢讓他們把水留在溪裡
就像這裡
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That's what's happening here.
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06:10
This individual has made the choice and is closing this water diversion,
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這位居民做了決定
關閉引水道
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leaving the water in the stream.
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讓水留在溪裡
06:17
He doesn't lose the water right,
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他沒有失去水資源
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he just chooses to apply that right, or some portion of it,
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他只是選擇運用這項權利
或一部分的權利
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to the stream, instead of to the land.
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讓水留在溪裡而不用到陸地上
06:27
Because he's the senior water-rights holder,
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因為他有優先用水權
他的水受到保障,他人不得使用
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he can protect the water from other users in the stream.
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了解嗎?
06:34
OK?
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06:35
He gets paid to leave the water in the stream.
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他收錢讓水留在溪裡
這個人正在測量
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This guy's measuring the water that this leaves in the stream.
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他留在溪裡的水量
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We then take the measured water,
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然後我們把測到的水量
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we divide it into thousand-gallon increments.
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分成一千加侖的增幅
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Each increment gets a serial number and a certificate,
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每一增幅發給一組序號和證書
然後釀酒商或其他人
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and then the brewers and others buy those certificates
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可以買這個證書
06:56
as a way to return water to these degraded ecosystems.
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作為把水還給
受損的生態環境的一種方式
07:00
The brewers pay to restore water to the stream.
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釀酒商付錢
讓水資源恢復到溪流裡
07:05
It provides a simple, inexpensive and measurable way
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這提供了既簡單也不貴
又能測量的方法
讓水回到受損的生態環境裡
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to return water to these degraded ecosystems,
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07:12
while giving farmers an economic choice
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既給予農民們一個經濟上的選擇
07:15
and giving businesses concerned about their water footprints
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也讓關心"水足跡"的公司行號
07:18
an easy way to deal with them.
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有了方法應對問題
07:20
After 140 years of conflict and 100 years of dry streams,
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經過140年的水資源衝突
和100年來的河流乾涸
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a circumstance that litigation and regulation has not solved,
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在訴訟與調解下
都沒能解決的問題
我們理出一個讓買賣雙方
07:33
we put together a market-based, willing buyer, willing seller solution --
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你情我願的市場解決機制
這個解決方案無須訴訟
07:37
a solution that does not require litigation.
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07:41
It's about giving folks concerned about their water footprints
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這是讓關切
"水足跡"的人們
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a real opportunity to put water where it's critically needed,
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有一個真正的機會
把水放到迫切需要之處
放回受到損害的生態系統裡
07:51
into these degraded ecosystems,
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07:53
while at the same time providing farmers a meaningful economic choice
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於此同時也讓
農民們在經濟上
能在用水方面得到
07:59
about how their water is used.
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一個有意義的選擇
08:01
These transactions create allies, not enemies.
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這種交易創造出來的是盟友而非敵人
08:04
They connect people rather than dividing them.
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把人連結起來而非分開來
08:06
And they provide needed economic support for rural communities.
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而且為鄉村社區提供所需的經濟支持
最重要的是,這方法行得通
08:10
And most importantly, it's working.
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08:12
We've returned more than four billion gallons of water to degraded ecosystems.
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超過四十億加侖的水因而
返回受損的生態環境系統裡
我們連結了有用水權者
08:17
We've connected senior water-rights holders
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和蒙大拿的釀酒商
08:19
with brewers in Montana,
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08:20
with hotels and tea companies in Oregon,
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以及奧勒岡的飯店和茶葉公司
08:23
and with high-tech companies that use a lot of water in the Southwest.
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還有西南部用水需要量龐大的高科技公司
08:26
And when we make these connections,
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只要我們做這樣的連結
08:29
we can and we do turn this ...
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我們能做到也確實做到
把這個樣子轉變成這個樣子
08:33
into this.
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08:34
(Applause)
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非常謝謝各位
08:36
Thank you very much.
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08:37
(Applause)
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