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翻译人员: Aileen Huang
校对人员: Jenny Yang
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How do you feed a city?
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如何喂养一个城市?
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It's one of the great questions of our time.
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这是我们这个时代的一个重大问题之一。
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Yet it's one that's rarely asked.
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然而很少人会问这个问题。
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We take it for granted that if we go into a shop
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我们习以为常了, 我们走进商店的时候
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or restaurant, or indeed into this theater's foyer in about an hour's time,
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走进餐厅的时候,或是一个小时后我们进入这个剧院的门厅
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there is going to be food there waiting for us,
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总会有食物等着我们
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having magically come from somewhere.
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它们很神奇地从某个地方冒出来
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But when you think that every day for a city the size of London,
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然而,当你想像每一天,在一个伦敦那么大的城市,
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enough food has to be produced,
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要生产足够的食物
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transported, bought and sold,
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运输、交易这些食物,
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cooked, eaten, disposed of,
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烹饪,食用,最后扔弃它们
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and that something similar has to happen every day
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而且类似的事情每天都发生着
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for every city on earth,
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在地球上的每一个城市都如此
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it's remarkable that cities get fed at all.
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每个城市都有食物供应,这件事很不可思议
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We live in places like this as if
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我们住在每天有食物供应的城市,仿佛
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they're the most natural things in the world,
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这是世界上最自然的事情,
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forgetting that because we're animals
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我们忘记了我们也是动物,
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and that we need to eat,
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所以我们需要进食,
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we're actually as dependent on the natural world
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事实上我们要依赖自然界
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as our ancient ancestors were.
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就如同我们的祖先要依赖自然界一样。
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And as more of us move into cities,
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随着我们越来越多人到城市生活,
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more of that natural world is being
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越来越多的自然界正在
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transformed into extraordinary landscapes like the one behind me --
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变成我身后的这些特别的景象
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it's soybean fields in Mato Grosso in Brazil --
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这是巴西Mata Grosso的大豆田
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in order to feed us.
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用来种食物养活我们
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These are extraordinary landscapes,
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这些特别的景象
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but few of us ever get to see them.
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我们很少人亲眼目睹过
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And increasingly these landscapes
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越来越多的这些地貌
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are not just feeding us either.
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不只是生产食物养活我们
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As more of us move into cities,
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随着我们越来越多人移居城市
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more of us are eating meat,
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越来越多人吃肉
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so that a third of the annual grain crop globally
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所以每年全球有三分之一的粮食
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now gets fed to animals
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现在是用来喂动物
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rather than to us human animals.
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而不是喂养我们人类
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And given that it takes three times as much grain --
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虽然说需要3倍的粮食
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actually ten times as much grain --
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事实上却是10倍的食物
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to feed a human if it's passed through an animal first,
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来喂养一个人,如果从喂养动物的粮食也计算在内
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that's not a very efficient way of feeding us.
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这并不是一个很有效率的喂养方式
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And it's an escalating problem too.
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这是一个越来越重要的问题
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By 2050, it's estimated that twice the number
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到2050年,预测有两倍的人口
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of us are going to be living in cities.
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将在城市居住
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And it's also estimated that there is going to be twice as much
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预测到也将需要两倍的
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meat and dairy consumed.
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肉和奶类制品的消耗
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So meat and urbanism are rising hand in hand.
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所以肉的消耗和城市化是共同发展的
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And that's going to pose an enormous problem.
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这就将引发一个很重大的问题
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Six billion hungry carnivores to feed,
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要喂养60亿的饥饿人口
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by 2050.
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在2050年
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That's a big problem. And actually if we carry on as we are,
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这是个大问题.如果我们还像我们现在这么发展,
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it's a problem we're very unlikely to be able to solve.
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我们很可能没法在2050年解决这个问题
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Nineteen million hectares of rainforest are lost every year
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每年有1900万公顷的雨林消失
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to create new arable land.
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它们用作开垦新的耕地
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Although at the same time we're losing an equivalent amount
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尽管与此同时我们也失去等量的
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of existing arables to salinization and erosion.
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现有耕地,因为盐碱化或水土流失
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We're very hungry for fossil fuels too.
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我们也急需化石燃料
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It takes about 10 calories to produce every calorie
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在欧洲,我们需要10卡路里的能量来生产1卡路里
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of food that we consume in the West.
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为我们消耗的食物
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And even though there is food that we are producing at great cost,
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尽管这些食物我们都是花了很多功夫才生产出来
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we don't actually value it.
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事实上我们却不珍惜它们
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Half the food produced in the USA is currently thrown away.
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在美国有一半食物被扔弃
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And to end all of this, at the end of this long process,
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最终,在这漫长过程的最后
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we're not even managing to feed the planet properly.
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我们将没法养活我们这个地球
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A billion of us are obese, while a further billion starve.
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我们中10亿人肥胖,还有多于10亿的人处于饥饿中
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None of it makes very much sense.
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这些都没有道理
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And when you think that 80 percent of global trade in food now
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当你发现现在80%的全球食物贸易
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is controlled by just five multinational corporations,
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仅由五家跨国公司控制,
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it's a grim picture.
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这是挺可怕的
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As we're moving into cities, the world is also embracing a Western diet.
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随着我们搬进城市,世界正在接受西方的饮食
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And if we look to the future,
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如果我们展望未来
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it's an unsustainable diet.
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这不是个可持续的饮食方式
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So how did we get here?
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我们怎么会走到这一步?
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And more importantly, what are we going to do about it?
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更重要的是,我们应该怎么做?
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Well, to answer the slightly easier question first,
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先回答那个较简单的问题,首先
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about 10,000 years ago, I would say,
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我想说,在大概1万年前
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is the beginning of this process
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是这个过程的开始
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in the ancient Near East,
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在古代的中东地区
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known as the Fertile Crescent.
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也就是广大的新月状的地区
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Because, as you can see, it was crescent shaped.
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因为你可以看到它是新月形的
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And it was also fertile.
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同时它也是广大的
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And it was here, about 10,000 years ago,
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就在这里,大概1万年前
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that two extraordinary inventions,
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2大伟大的发明
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agriculture and urbanism, happened
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农业和城市化在此发生
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roughly in the same place and at the same time.
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几乎在同时,同一地点
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This is no accident,
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这并不是偶然
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because agriculture and cities are bound together. They need each other.
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因为农业和城市是紧密联系的.它们需要彼此
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Because it was discovery of grain
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因为粮食的发现
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by our ancient ancestors for the first time
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我们的远古祖先,第一次
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that produced a food source that was large enough
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第一次生产出足够的粮食
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and stable enough to support permanent settlements.
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并且产量稳地,这帮助他们长期居住下来
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And if we look at what those settlements were like,
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如果我们看一下当时那些居住地
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we see they were compact.
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我们可以看到他们是紧密的
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They were surrounded by productive farm land
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他们被农田围绕
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and dominated by large temple complexes
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并由一些大的庙宇统领着
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like this one at Ur,
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例如这一个在乌尔的神殿
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that were, in fact, effectively,
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事实上,他们是很有效的
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spiritualized, central food distribution centers.
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精神统领,食物分发中心,两者结合
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Because it was the temples that organized the harvest,
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因为这些神殿组织耕作
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gathered in the grain, offered it to the gods,
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收集这些粮食,供奉给诸神
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and then offered the grain that the gods didn't eat back to the people.
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然后把诸神没吃的食物发还给人们
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So, if you like,
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所以
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the whole spiritual and physical life of these cities
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这些城市的精神和物质生活
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was dominated by the grain and the harvest
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都用粮食和收成掌控
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that sustained them.
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并维持城市的生活
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And in fact, that's true of every ancient city.
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事实上,过去的每个城市都是如此
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But of course not all of them were that small.
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当然,并不是每个都是那么小的城市
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Famously, Rome had about a million citizens
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比如很著名的罗马城有大约100万居民
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by the first century A.D.
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在公元一世纪的之前
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So how did a city like this feed itself?
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那么,这样的城市是如何维持供给的呢?
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The answer is what I call "ancient food miles."
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在我眼里,我把答案称作“古老的城市之路”
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Basically, Rome had access to the sea,
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基本上,罗马有通往海洋的道路
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which made it possible for it to import food from a very long way away.
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这样使从很远的地方进口食物成为可能
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This is the only way it was possible to do this in the ancient world,
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这样是在古代能实现的唯一的方法
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because it was very difficult to transport food over roads,
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因为陆上运输相当困难
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which were rough.
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鉴于路况不好
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And the food obviously went off very quickly.
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而且食物的消耗是很快的
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So Rome effectively waged war
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所以罗马常常发动战争
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on places like Carthage and Egypt
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攻打像迦太基和埃及那样的国家
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just to get its paws on their grain reserves.
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仅仅是为了得到他们的粮食储备
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And, in fact, you could say that the expansion of the Empire
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其实,事实上,你可以把帝国的扩张
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was really sort of one long, drawn out
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理解为一种长期的
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militarized shopping spree, really.
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军事化的购物狂欢
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(Laughter)
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(笑)
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In fact -- I love the fact, I just have to mention this:
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事实上,我喜欢这个事实。我不得不指出的是
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Rome in fact used to import oysters from London,
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罗马(从英国进口牡蛎)
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at one stage. I think that's extraordinary.
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在一个时期。我认为这非常特别
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So Rome shaped its hinterland
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所以罗马形成自己的海岸线
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through its appetite.
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根据他的口味
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But the interesting thing is that the other thing also
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但是还有一件有趣的事情
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happened in the pre-industrial world.
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发生在前工业化的世界
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If we look at a map of London in the 17th century,
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如果我们看看十七世纪伦敦的地图
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we can see that its grain, which is coming in from the Thames,
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我们可以看见作物从泰晤士河畔出产的
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along the bottom of this map.
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位于地图的底部
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So the grain markets were to the south of the city.
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因为市场在城市的南部
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And the roads leading up from them
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道路从那里
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to Cheapside, which was the main market,
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通向主要消费市场戚普塞街(位于伦敦)
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were also grain markets.
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这里也是粮食的主要消费市场
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And if you look at the name of one of those streets,
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如果我们随便看看这里的一条街道的名字
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Bread Street, you can tell
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BREAD(面包)街,你可以明白
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what was going on there 300 years ago.
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三百年前这里都发生了什么
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And the same of course was true for fish.
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这个道理同样使用于鱼类
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Fish was, of course, coming in by river as well. Same thing.
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鱼当然是从河里面打捞出来的
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And of course Billingsgate, famously, was London's fish market,
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Billlingsgate是伦敦有名的卖鱼市场
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operating on-site here until the mid-1980s.
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在1980年之前
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Which is extraordinary, really, when you think about it.
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这是很特别的,真的,当你仔细想想
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Everybody else was wandering around
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每个人都在这里游荡
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with mobile phones that looked like bricks
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拿着像转头一样的大哥大
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and sort of smelly fish happening down on the port.
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还有,在港口还有发臭的鱼
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This is another thing about food in cities:
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这是在城市中关于食物的另一件事情
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Once its roots into the city are established,
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一旦一种食物在某个城市站稳脚跟
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they very rarely move.
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它的地位很难被动摇
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Meat is a very different story
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肉是一个非常不同的故事了
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because, of course, animals could walk into the city.
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因为,动物自己走向城市
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So much of London's meat
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因此,伦敦消费的大量肉类
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was coming from the northwest,
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是从西北方过来的
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from Scotland and Wales.
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从苏格兰和威尔士
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So it was coming in, and arriving at the city at the northwest,
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当他们过来,抵达城市的西北方
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which is why Smithfield,
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这就说明了为什么 Smithfield
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London's very famous meat market, was located up there.
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伦敦一个非常有名的肉类市场,在这里产生
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Poultry was coming in from East Anglia and so on, to the northeast.
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家禽从Anglia的东部来,去往东北部
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I feel a bit like a weather woman doing this. Anyway,
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我感觉这有点像一个天气播报员
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and so the birds were coming in
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然后鸟儿都飞过来了
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with their feet protected with little canvas shoes.
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它们的脚被小帆布鞋包裹着
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And then when they hit the eastern end
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然后当它们在东部降落的时候
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of Cheapside, that's where they were sold,
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具体说来是在戚普塞街,也就是它们被卖掉的地方
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which is why it's called Poultry.
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这也就是戚普塞街被称为“家禽”街的原因
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And, in fact, if you look at the map of any city
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事实上,如果你看看任何一个城市的地图
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built before the industrial age,
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在工业化时代之前
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you can trace food coming in to it.
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你能够发现食物是如何进入城市的
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You can actually see how it was physically shaped by food,
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事实上,你可以看出食物是如何塑造一个城市的
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both by reading the names of the streets, which give you a lot of clues.
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通过阅读街道的名称,你就会发现很多线索
07:46
Friday Street, in a previous life,
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星期五街,在过去的日子中
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is where you went to buy your fish on a Friday.
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是一个在星期五买鱼的地方
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But also you have to imagine it full of food.
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但是,你同时也必须想象那里到处都是食物
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Because the streets and the public spaces
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因为街道和公共区域
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were the only places where food was bought and sold.
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是食物买卖的唯一地点
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And if we look at an image of Smithfield in 1830
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如果你想象一下1830年的Smithfield
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you can see that it would have been very difficult to live in a city like this
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你会发现很难在这样一个城市里面生活下去
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and be unaware of where your food came from.
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并且不留意食物的来源
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In fact, if you were having Sunday lunch,
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事实上,当你在星期日吃午饭的时候
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the chances were it was mooing or bleating outside your window
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你将很有可能听到窗外的牛羊的叫声
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about three days earlier.
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在三年以前
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So this was obviously an organic city,
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因此,显然他是一个有机城市
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part of an organic cycle.
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属于有机循环中的一个部分
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And then 10 years later everything changed.
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但是,10年后,一切都改变了
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This is an image of the Great Western in 1840.
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这是大西铁路在1840的照片
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And as you can see, some of the earliest train passengers
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你可以看见,一些早期的铁路乘客们
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were pigs and sheep.
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是猪和羊群
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So all of a sudden, these animals are no longer walking into market.
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一夕之间,这些动物不再走进市场
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They're being slaughtered out of sight and mind,
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他们被屠宰了
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somewhere in the countryside.
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在乡村的某个地方
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And they're coming into the city by rail.
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然后他们通过铁路来到了城市
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And this changes everything.
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这些改变了一切
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To start off with, it makes it possible
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首先,他第一次
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for the first time to grow cities,
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使城市成长变成了可能
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really any size and shape, in any place.
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不论地点、成为什么规模和形状的城市
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Cities used to be constrained by geography;
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城市发展过去受到地理的限制
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they used to have to get their food through very difficult physical means.
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城市需要通过很艰难的方式获得食物
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All of a sudden they are effectively emancipated from geography.
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突然,他们从地理限制中解放了出来
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And as you can see from these maps of London,
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你可以看看伦敦的地图
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in the 90 years after the trains came,
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在铁路建成后的90年
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it goes from being a little blob that was quite easy to feed
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它从容易喂饱的一小点
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by animals coming in on foot, and so on,
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通过动物步行到市场等方式
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to a large splurge,
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成长成为大型的奢侈的大都市
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that would be very, very difficult to feed with anybody on foot,
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步行运输再也不能喂饱每个人
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either animals or people.
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不论是对人还是对动物
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And of course that was just the beginning. After the trains came cars,
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当然,这仅仅是开始。当汽车代替了火车
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and really this marks the end of this process.
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这真正标志这个过程的结束
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It's the final emancipation of the city
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这是城市的最终解放
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from any apparent relationship with nature at all.
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从自然的束缚中完全的解放了
09:28
And this is the kind of city that's devoid of smell,
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这样类型的城市没有了原来城市的味道
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devoid of mess, certainly devoid of people,
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乱糟糟的市容,当然也缺少了人
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because nobody would have dreamed of walking in such a landscape.
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因为没有人想要在这么大的一块地方步行
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In fact, what they did to get food was they got in their cars,
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事实上,他们都开小汽车去购买食物了
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drove to a box somewhere on the outskirts,
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开车去郊外的超级市场
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came back with a week's worth of shopping,
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买回来一周需要的食物
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and wondered what on earth to do with it.
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然后考虑到底如何规划这些食品
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And this really is the moment when our relationship,
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这时刻,
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both with food and cities, changes completely.
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食物和城市的关系,完全的改变了
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Here we have food -- that used to be the center,
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过去买食物是在市中心
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the social core of the city -- at the periphery.
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在城市的最核心地带
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It used to be a social event, buying and selling food.
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买卖食物曾经是一种社会性的活动,
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Now it's anonymous.
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现在都是匿名了的
10:02
We used to cook; now we just add water,
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我们原来还需要烹饪,现在我们只需要加水
10:04
or a little bit of an egg if you're making a cake or something.
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或者是一些鸡蛋,当我们在做蛋糕或者其他东西的时候
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We don't smell food to see if it's okay to eat.
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我们不会在去闻闻食物来确认它是否可以吃了
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We just read the back of a label on a packet.
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我们只是阅读包装袋上的使用说明就好
10:16
And we don't value food. We don't trust it.
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我们没有发现食物的价值,我们也不信赖它
10:19
So instead of trusting it, we fear it.
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我们甚至担心它
10:21
And instead of valuing it, we throw it away.
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从体会它的价值变成浪费
10:25
One of the great ironies of modern food systems
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当今食品工业最最讽刺的是
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is that they've made the very thing they promised
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他们让生活极致地便利
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to make easier much harder.
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却也使得一切更为复杂
10:32
By making it possible to build cities anywhere and any place,
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因为可以自由的建立新城市
10:36
they've actually distanced us from our most important relationship,
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但是他们却疏远了人可贵的联系
10:40
which is that of us and nature.
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也就是人与自然的联系
10:43
And also they've made us dependent on systems that only they can deliver,
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同时,他们也让我们依赖这个系统
10:46
that, as we've seen, are unsustainable.
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这个系统,在我们看来,是不可持续的
10:48
So what are we going to do about that?
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所以,我们应该做点什么呢?
10:51
It's not a new question.
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这不是一个新的问题
10:53
500 years ago it's what Thomas More was asking himself.
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500年前,汤马斯摩尔曾经问过自己
10:57
This is the frontispiece of his book "Utopia."
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这是他的书《乌托邦》的主旨
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And it was a series of semi-independent city-states,
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它是一个半独立的城邦
11:03
if that sounds remotely familiar,
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如果这么说听上去还比较熟悉的话
11:05
a day's walk from one another where everyone was basically farming-mad,
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一天的行走你会看见所有人农场都在疯狂的种植
11:08
and grew vegetables in their back gardens,
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或者在自己的后院种植蔬菜
11:10
and ate communal meals together, and so on.
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然后一起享用乡镇的共有食物,等等
11:12
And I think you could argue that
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我认为你可能想要说
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food is a fundamental ordering principle of Utopia,
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食物是乌托邦维持秩序的基础
11:17
even though More never framed it that way.
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尽管摩尔从来没有这么构想
11:20
And here is another very famous "Utopian" vision,
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这里有一个很著名的乌托邦蓝图
11:23
that of Ebenezer Howard, "The Garden City."
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来自埃比尼泽·霍华德的“花园城市”
11:25
Same idea: series of semi-independent city-states,
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同样的想法。一系列半独立的城邦
11:28
little blobs of metropolitan stuff with arable land around,
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小型都市被可耕地包围
11:32
joined to one another by railway.
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相互之间通过铁路连接
11:34
And again, food could be said to be
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当然,食物在一次被称作
11:36
the ordering principle of his vision.
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维持秩序的物体,在他的版本中
11:39
It even got built, but nothing to do with
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这些田园都市是有的,但与当初
11:41
this vision that Howard had.
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霍华的愿景没有关系
11:43
And that is the problem with these Utopian ideas,
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这也与乌托邦的构想产生了冲突
11:46
that they are Utopian.
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因为他们是乌托邦(不存在的)
11:48
Utopia was actually a word that Thomas Moore used deliberately.
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乌托邦实际是上一个托马斯摩尔故意使用的一个词
11:51
It was a kind of joke, because it's got a double derivation from the Greek.
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这似乎是一个笑话。因为它在希腊中有两个来历
11:55
It can either mean a good place, or no place.
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他既可以表示一个好的地方,也可以表示一个不存在的地方
11:57
Because it's an ideal. It's an imaginary thing. We can't have it.
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因为他是一种理想。一个想象中的事物。我们不能拥有它
12:01
And I think, as a conceptual tool
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我认为,这是一个观念
12:03
for thinking about the very deep problem of human dwelling,
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用来深层次的思考人类居住的问题
12:06
that makes it not much use.
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它不是很有用
12:08
So I've come up with an alternative,
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所以我提出另一个概念
12:11
which is Sitopia, from the ancient Greek,
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“希托邦”,在古希腊文中
12:14
"sitos" for food, and "topos" for place.
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“希托”代表食物,“邦”是地方
12:16
I believe we already live in Sitopia.
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我相信我们已经住在“希托邦”里面
12:18
We live in a world shaped by food,
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这个世界是受食物影响的
12:21
and if we realize that, we can use food as a really powerful tool --
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只要认清楚这个事实,食物便能成为有力的工具
12:24
a conceptual tool, design tool, to shape the world differently.
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一个概念性的工具,设计工具,用来改变这个世界
12:28
So if we were to do that, what might Sitopia look like?
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如果这样做,希托邦会成什么样
12:33
Well I think it looks a bit like this.
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我是这样想的
12:35
I have to use this slide. It's just the look on the face of the dog.
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我用投影这张照片,是因为这狗长相可爱
12:37
But anyway, this is -- (Laughter)
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无论如何,在这里(笑)
12:40
it's food at the center of life,
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食物是生活的重心
12:42
at the center of family life, being celebrated,
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是家庭生活的重心,被赞颂
12:44
being enjoyed, people taking time for it.
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被享用,你们花时间在这上面
12:46
This is where food should be in our society.
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这是食物在我们社会里应有的地位
12:49
But you can't have scenes like this unless you have people like this.
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但想做到这样,得先有这些人
12:54
By the way, these can be men as well.
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他也可以是男的
12:56
It's people who think about food,
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这些人是会想到食物的
12:59
who think ahead, who plan,
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他们会预先思考,做计划
13:01
who can stare at a pile of raw vegetables
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看到一堆生菜时
13:03
and actually recognize them.
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知道那是什么
13:05
We need these people. We're part of a network.
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我们需要这种人。我们都是整体的一部分
13:08
Because without these kinds of people we can't have places like this.
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因为如果没有这样的人,就不会有这样的地方
13:11
Here, I deliberately chose this because it is a man buying a vegetable.
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我故意选了这个因为这张照片显示一个人在买蔬菜
13:14
But networks, markets where food is being grown locally.
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但是整体联络,食物是当地生产的
13:18
It's common. It's fresh.
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他是大面积的,也是新鲜的
13:20
It's part of the social life of the city.
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这是城市社会生活的一部分
13:22
Because without that, you can't have this kind of place,
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因为没有它,你就不会拥有这样的地方
13:25
food that is grown locally and also is part of the landscape,
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种植食物的地方也是风景的一部分
13:28
and is not just a zero-sum commodity
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他不仅仅是一个消费商品
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off in some unseen hell-hole.
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来自看不见的黑暗角落
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Cows with a view.
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成片的牛群
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Steaming piles of humus.
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冒着水汽的肥沃土壤
13:36
This is basically bringing the whole thing together.
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这才使一切变得完整
13:39
And this is a community project
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这是一个集体的计划
13:41
I visited recently in Toronto.
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我最近去了多伦多
13:43
It's a greenhouse, where kids get told
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在这个温室里,孩子学习
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all about food and growing their own food.
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关于食物的知识,以及他们种植自己所需的食物
13:48
Here is a plant called Kevin, or maybe it's a
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这有一颗菜叫做凯文,他也许
13:51
plant belonging to a kid called Kevin. I don't know.
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属于一个叫凯文的小孩子。我不太确定
13:53
But anyway, these kinds of projects
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但是不管怎么说,这类计划
13:56
that are trying to reconnect us with nature is extremely important.
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是及其重要的,因为他们试图重新建立我们和自然的联系
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So Sitopia, for me, is really a way of seeing.
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因此,希托邦,是另一种观点
14:02
It's basically recognizing that Sitopia
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基本上,我们认可在某些小地方
14:06
already exists in little pockets everywhere.
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希托邦已经存在了
14:08
The trick is to join them up,
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下一步就是将他们连接起来
14:10
to use food as a way of seeing.
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从食物的角度看
14:13
And if we do that, we're going to stop seeing cities
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如果我们这样做了,城市将不再是
14:16
as big, metropolitan, unproductive blobs, like this.
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一个不从事生产的大都市,像现在一样
14:19
We're going to see them more like this,
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我们将把城市
14:21
as part of the productive, organic framework
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作为一个有机生产的一部分
14:24
of which they are inevitably a part,
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在这种架构下,城乡之间
14:26
symbiotically connected.
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以一种共生的方式连接
14:28
But of course, that's not a great image either,
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但这也不是什么大理论
14:30
because we need not to be producing food like this anymore.
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因为我们不需要这样的食物产出方式了
14:33
We need to be thinking more about permaculture,
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我们需要更多的思考关于社区生态农业
14:35
which is why I think this image just
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所以这张图
14:37
sums up for me the kind of thinking we need to be doing.
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很合适来做一个结论
14:39
It's a re-conceptualization
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我们需要重新思考
14:41
of the way food shapes our lives.
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食物如何塑造我们的生活
14:44
The best image I know of this is from 650 years ago.
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我知道的最好的方式是这张650年前的画
14:47
It's Ambrogio Lorenzetti's "Allegory of Good Government."
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他是 Ambrogio Lorenzetti 提出的“优秀政府的寓言”
14:50
It's about the relationship between the city and the countryside.
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他勾画出城市和乡村的关系
14:53
And I think the message of this is very clear.
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我认为他想传达的思想非常清晰
14:56
If the city looks after the country,
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如果城市照顾好乡村
14:58
the country will look after the city.
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乡村就会帮助城市
15:00
And I want us to ask now,
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我希望大家都想一想
15:02
what would Ambrogio Lorenzetti paint
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如果Ambrigio Lorenzetti在今天再画一张
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if he painted this image today?
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他会画出怎样的图画
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What would an allegory of good government look like today?
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现代版“优秀政府的寓言”会是什么样子
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Because I think it's an urgent question.
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因为我认为这是一个紧要的问题
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It's one we have to ask,
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一个我们必须提出的问题
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and we have to start answering.
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一个我们需要马上做答的问题
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We know we are what we eat.
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我们知道我们吃的东西很大程度上决定了我们身体状况
15:19
We need to realize that the world is also what we eat.
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所以,我们也了解我们的食物决定了世界的状况
15:21
But if we take that idea, we can use food
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如果我们采纳这个想法,我们可以利用食物
15:23
as a really powerful tool to shape the world better.
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作为一个强有力的工具来重新塑造世界
15:27
Thank you very much.
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非常感谢
15:29
(Applause)
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